| The problem with all harems is that they're not Tenchi Muyo. |
Dimitrije1606 said: Well,Shuffle is a pretty good explanation why Harem has problems.. That is first harem that I have seen to actually end. Usually every harem ends on halfway,with everybody happy and all. This one actually went all the way to the end,and showed what is really harem problem. As I have understood,the biggest harem problem is that you will break far to many hearts,and the reason I started hating Shuffle is because it ended the way it did. I hated the end pairing,and I didn't even dare to look second season. So,thanks but no thanks,I will tend to avoid harem. Truly agree with Shuffle. I may have some problems about that girl who ended up with the MC but I'm kinda okay with it since I never loathed that girl but still... There's a BETTER girl(And she's the best girl to me) |
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Tennouji_ said: Dimitrije1606 said: Well,Shuffle is a pretty good explanation why Harem has problems.. That is first harem that I have seen to actually end. Usually every harem ends on halfway,with everybody happy and all. This one actually went all the way to the end,and showed what is really harem problem. As I have understood,the biggest harem problem is that you will break far to many hearts,and the reason I started hating Shuffle is because it ended the way it did. I hated the end pairing,and I didn't even dare to look second season. So,thanks but no thanks,I will tend to avoid harem. Truly agree with Shuffle. I may have some problems about that girl who ended up with the MC but I'm kinda okay with it since I never loathed that girl but still... There's a BETTER girl(And she's the best girl to me) Well,I agree with you mostly,although my favorite was |
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| In all harems, almost every main character is indecisive, although there are 5-10 cute girls always around him, he doesn't even think about getting with even one of them (Nisekoi, To Love Ru, Infinite Stratos, all good examples.) I sometimes wish every harem show was like School Days. |
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PoeticJustice said: Bakemonogatari is the best harem anime of all time though. No it's not,I'm pretty sure it's fate/zero,because everyone wants to fuck with saber. |
| It's insane how awesome Fate/Zero is. |
| Man,you are just obsessed with Fate/Zero...You know,there are other anime which are better than that one... |
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| The problem with harem is you can't have it irl. I haven't seen that many harem but it's annoying when the MC has little to no personality, yet he gets all the girls. Or when MCs a doormat. And I agree with OP in everything. Dark_Chaos said: Honey, google is your best friend. OP = over powered, original poster.And by the way, who the hell is OP? I see it all over the place and there is next to no one active on the forums with those initials! >.< |
Dimitrije1606 said: Man,you are just obsessed with Fate/Zero...You know,there are other anime which are better than that one... You mean better anime like Bleach or Naruto Shippuden? :D .No I was just joking about fate/zero,because fate zero is now on my current watch list and I tend to really get into an anime and enjoy it to the fullest when I'm watching it.Same thing was when I watched madoka and code geass. |
| It's insane how awesome Fate/Zero is. |
| the problem with harem anime is their viewers. If you are not interested in light plot with some/ a lot of fan service then its obvious that you will not like it.That does not make it bad though, I say this every time I argue with someone about this but, this type of anime are based on repetitiveness and exploit of certain characters and personalities, to create a story.This story will be along the lines that all of harem anime follow, with a clueless protagonist and a lot of girls.NO drama, NO big story developments, NO plot twists and stuff, just simple story and standard characters. Don't forget that these shows are targeted to the Japanese audience and western perception of anime in general is very different. I personally like the whole no-originality thing because I find the characters funny or interesting at times and I want to see more of them, but unfortunately the anime ends, so all I have to do is watch another harem anime. |
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dlonc said: Dimitrije1606 said: Man,you are just obsessed with Fate/Zero...You know,there are other anime which are better than that one... You mean better anime like Bleach or Naruto Shippuden? :D .No I was just joking about fate/zero,because fate zero is now on my current watch list and I tend to really get into an anime and enjoy it to the fullest when I'm watching it.Same thing was when I watched madoka and code geass. No man,Bleach and Naruto Shippuden are not that good...It is nice from time to time to relax watching some epic fights,I do enjoy them sometimes ,but there are some way better... I didn't watch Madoka,but I can completely understand what you want to say about Code Geass or Fate/Zero. Those ones are epic :D But,lets get back on the track...I agree with Mariogrp. One of the biggest problems are viewers. I mean,we all know that harem anime has a 1:4 or 1:5 chance to end the way we want. That is why most of harem anime stop at 12-13 episode,halfway. Like I said,Shuffle showed me how harem looks in the end,I didn't like it. I watched a few harem anime only the begging just because I wanted to see the characters and amount of fan-service,and it didn't really matter if the setting was the same like most of them. |
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| Another thing that bothers me is that most all of the female main characters are practically a step away from being diagnosed with borderline. It's extremely annoying, and very rarely is there actually someone with a real personality in harem anime. |
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| Tired of typical harems? Watch School Days. Then get back to me. |
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paper-dreams said: Dark_Chaos said: Honey, google is your best friend. OP = over powered, original poster.And by the way, who the hell is OP? I see it all over the place and there is next to no one active on the forums with those initials! >.< Ohhhhh, so there is nobody called OP then? Well I just feel silly now and embarrassed now :$ I'll have to keep that in mind from now on then. paper-dreams said: I haven't seen that many harem but it's annoying when the MC has little to no personality, yet he gets all the girls. Isn't that so the viewer can identify with the male lead and put themselves in their shoes though? As otherwise, a person may not be able to really do that to be honest. But yeah, it's quite boring sometimes when all male leads are the same. You either get the nice ones who are oblivious and won't do anything, yet are always getting themselves into accidental situations that makes them look like a pervert, or you get the complete obvious perverts like Saito, Yokodera and Akatsuki, but even those are still nice on the inside, so it's not much different from the not so perverted ones really :/ But then again, if the male lead weren't dense, they would pick someone right away, and if that happens, the majority of the time the show would be over, as there would be no conflict left, right? Thus, I cannot see how it would work with a different male lead from the norm, like you seem to want, PD :S |
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| If you watch the same type of anime over and over again of course you'll get tired . If you get annoyed it means you hope that will happen somehow to you . Clueless MC? I hardly have seen one . Maybe I'm too stupid to notice them but in my anime list I have none , maybe the one in Sekirei is somehow that way but other than him ? None.All of them are either well-aware but too afraid to pick the wrong choice or he made his choice but the girl is constantly playing with him untill a rival shows up . Or basically he thinks of him too low and pick someone approviate to the type he is , eg: Oreshura . Anyway , do what I do.....watch different types of anime . Diversify them . Today watch shounen , tomorrow thriller/horror/mistery/psychological(generally these are found together,atleast 2 of them,they are kinda paired up) , the day after tomorrow romance with or w/o harem and so on so forth . You wont get bored or tired of them . |
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| it's always like this... a lot of people are after one person and that person like all of them! and most of the time they have bad characters! |
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| toradora is not a harem show |
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hazerddex said: toradora is not a harem show Well, technically, it still is, even if it doesn't have all the elements that a typical harem does. After all, |
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| sometimes harem became so stupid I think :p but I think monogatari series is different.. even though it is harem.. I'm really enjoy and love it.. #sorry to make no sense :p |
Dark_Chaos said: hazerddex said: toradora is not a harem show Well, technically, it still is, even if it doesn't have all the elements that a typical harem does. After all, well by that logic if toradora is a harem show then so is code geass, Nurarihyon, darker than black, Shakugan no Shana, evangelion, Deadman Wonderland, Mirai Nikki |
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| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
| I thought it would be that most of them have bland, uninteresting main characters. They have barely a semblance of what might even remotely be considered a personality. They are blatant nonentities for viewers to impose themselves in and vicariously live through the ridiculous situations that the main character just so happens to stumble in. |
hazerddex said: They are all have a harem they just are not really the main focus of the show unlike true harem shows.Dark_Chaos said: hazerddex said: toradora is not a harem show Well, technically, it still is, even if it doesn't have all the elements that a typical harem does. After all, well by that logic if toradora is a harem show then so is code geass, Nurarihyon, darker than black, Shakugan no Shana, evangelion, Deadman Wonderland, Mirai Nikki |
| dtshyk said: Urobuchi said this anime(Psycho Pass) has cruel scenes both physically and mentally. ZettaiRyouiki: In other news, the sun rises from the East. |
hazerddex said: well by that logic if toradora is a harem show then so is code geass, Nurarihyon, darker than black, Shakugan no Shana, evangelion, Deadman Wonderland, Mirai Nikki Where is the harem in Deadman Wonderland? On topic-- Harems are annoying after you watch a bunch of them, I guess. They tend to be rather unoriginal (though of course there are exceptions). |
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| Unbalance x Unbalance ( Manhwa - korean manga) is something that harem anime and manga should try to achieve.Everyone is fed up with indecisive,weak and good for nothing main leads. |
| Just watch Kami Nomi zo Shiru Sekai. |
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Marifrit said: hazerddex said: They are all have a harem they just are not really the main focus of the show unlike true harem shows.Dark_Chaos said: hazerddex said: toradora is not a harem show Well, technically, it still is, even if it doesn't have all the elements that a typical harem does. After all, well by that logic if toradora is a harem show then so is code geass, Nurarihyon, darker than black, Shakugan no Shana, evangelion, Deadman Wonderland, Mirai Nikki Yep, what he said. They are still technically harems though, even though you wouldn't think of them that way. |
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Dark_Chaos said: I'm dissagree with Shana. It just love triangle.Marifrit said: hazerddex said: They are all have a harem they just are not really the main focus of the show unlike true harem shows.Dark_Chaos said: hazerddex said: toradora is not a harem show Well, technically, it still is, even if it doesn't have all the elements that a typical harem does. After all, well by that logic if toradora is a harem show then so is code geass, Nurarihyon, darker than black, Shakugan no Shana, evangelion, Deadman Wonderland, Mirai Nikki Yep, what he said. They are still technically harems though, even though you wouldn't think of them that way. |
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| I pretty much enjoy everything that includes harem and ecchi lol. Though it is becoming frustrating when a MC surrounded by 3-5 girls magically can't understand their feelings neighter he can chose one, that he likes. Dafuq? |
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| boku wa tomodachi sukinai (NEXT) - the only harem(anime) that takes my interest :) maybe because the MC |
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| Harem is the greatest genre mankind have ever created. |
NeoAnkara said: I would not know i have not seen shana.Dark_Chaos said: I'm dissagree with Shana. It just love triangle.Marifrit said: hazerddex said: They are all have a harem they just are not really the main focus of the show unlike true harem shows.Dark_Chaos said: hazerddex said: toradora is not a harem show Well, technically, it still is, even if it doesn't have all the elements that a typical harem does. After all, well by that logic if toradora is a harem show then so is code geass, Nurarihyon, darker than black, Shakugan no Shana, evangelion, Deadman Wonderland, Mirai Nikki Yep, what he said. They are still technically harems though, even though you wouldn't think of them that way. |
| dtshyk said: Urobuchi said this anime(Psycho Pass) has cruel scenes both physically and mentally. ZettaiRyouiki: In other news, the sun rises from the East. |
Marifrit said: NeoAnkara said: I would not know i have not seen shana.Dark_Chaos said: I'm dissagree with Shana. It just love triangle.Marifrit said: hazerddex said: They are all have a harem they just are not really the main focus of the show unlike true harem shows.Dark_Chaos said: hazerddex said: toradora is not a harem show Well, technically, it still is, even if it doesn't have all the elements that a typical harem does. After all, well by that logic if toradora is a harem show then so is code geass, Nurarihyon, darker than black, Shakugan no Shana, evangelion, Deadman Wonderland, Mirai Nikki Yep, what he said. They are still technically harems though, even though you wouldn't think of them that way. no by his logic shana is a harem because 3 girls fall in love with the main chracte hes wrong but even if i bother to explain why he would not listen |
GrimAtramentJun 25, 2013 11:54 AM
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hazerddex said: Marifrit said: NeoAnkara said: I would not know i have not seen shana.Dark_Chaos said: I'm dissagree with Shana. It just love triangle.Marifrit said: hazerddex said: They are all have a harem they just are not really the main focus of the show unlike true harem shows.Dark_Chaos said: hazerddex said: toradora is not a harem show Well, technically, it still is, even if it doesn't have all the elements that a typical harem does. After all, well by that logic if toradora is a harem show then so is code geass, Nurarihyon, darker than black, Shakugan no Shana, evangelion, Deadman Wonderland, Mirai Nikki Yep, what he said. They are still technically harems though, even though you wouldn't think of them that way. no by his logic shana is a harem because 3 girls fall in love with the main chracte hes wrong but even if i bother to explain why he would not listen  |
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mariosgrp said: the problem with harem anime is their viewers. If you are not interested in light plot with some/ a lot of fan service then its obvious that you will not like it.That does not make it bad though, I say this every time I argue with someone about this but, this type of anime are based on repetitiveness and exploit of certain characters and personalities, to create a story.This story will be along the lines that all of harem anime follow, with a clueless protagonist and a lot of girls.NO drama, NO big story developments, NO plot twists and stuff, just simple story and standard characters. Don't forget that these shows are targeted to the Japanese audience and western perception of anime in general is very different. I personally like the whole no-originality thing because I find the characters funny or interesting at times and I want to see more of them, but unfortunately the anime ends, so all I have to do is watch another harem anime. I agree..There's something wrong with the viewers. :P |
AstralAxolotl said: 2 or 3 girls hardly constitute a harem. I mean, you could argue 3, I guess, but it doesn't really feel like a "harem" to me until there are 4 or more girls after the MC's bod. If there are 2 girls, then the most common is a Love triangle lol + the MC never chooses the better one... |
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| it's mind boggling none of you can actualy read the wiki :s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harem_(genre) |
AstralAxolotl said: 2 or 3 girls hardly constitute a harem. I mean, you could argue 3, I guess, but it doesn't really feel like a "harem" to me until there are 4 or more girls after the MC's bod. Perhaps, but Hentai Ouji to Warawanai Neko feels very haremy to me. It makes me feel similar to when I'm watching harems with 5 or 6 girls after the guy. But yeah, most others with only 2 or 3 like Shana and Index don't feel like harems, yet I somehow still feel the need to classify them as such. |
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| Creator is either scared to have an actual ending or chooses a bad pairing, who most people won't like. MC is generic, (Characteristics-Kind, that's it). Females are generic. Premise is Generic. Of course that's the majority. There will be shows that don't follow the stereotype. The first sentence is prevalent for all long running shounens as well. KHR and Negima ended with the author too pussy to chose a girl, even though romance was prevalent in the show itself. |
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hazerddex said: The one that like Yuuji is only Shana and Kazumi there is no other hence love triangle.Marifrit said: NeoAnkara said: I would not know i have not seen shana.Dark_Chaos said: I'm dissagree with Shana. It just love triangle.Marifrit said: hazerddex said: They are all have a harem they just are not really the main focus of the show unlike true harem shows.Dark_Chaos said: hazerddex said: toradora is not a harem show Well, technically, it still is, even if it doesn't have all the elements that a typical harem does. After all, well by that logic if toradora is a harem show then so is code geass, Nurarihyon, darker than black, Shakugan no Shana, evangelion, Deadman Wonderland, Mirai Nikki Yep, what he said. They are still technically harems though, even though you wouldn't think of them that way. no by his logic shana is a harem because 3 girls fall in love with the main chracte hes wrong but even if i bother to explain why he would not listen |
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| The problem with a harem is it was not made to be a masterpiece it was made to have FUN! A harem is made by guys that have always dreamed of what it would be like to have a ton of girls falling for them and a harem lets there dreams come into reality. Then harems became popular because other guys who have similar fantasies watch it and go "Ha! I wish I had that life" or they just enjoy watching the main getting into all these situations with the different heroin's. The problem happens when people go in expecting a masterpiece or a great romance to happen when most of the time (except for a rare few) will NOT happen. Harems cater to a certain type of people not everyone will like them. I personally like them because I'm not going in expecting a masterpiece and if you are then don't watch harems. |
Rainmaker said: This basically.Why can't other understand that?The problem with all harems is that they're not Tenchi Muyo. |
| problem: main male character sucks solution: stop paying attention to the main male character not that i really ever care about him even if hes a badass..... |
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| Personal opinion: There is only one problem with harems. You can only watch so many of them per unit of time before they get too repetitive. The authors should strive for more variety between different works. Fortunately, that feeling of repetitiveness goes away over time, so there is no point when I'm going to stop watching harems until my personal life changes. reply to OP's theory: very few harem girls get me to dislike them to the point I do not want them to win. (but Louise the Zero did that) That's why endings where the MC chooses everyone are the best. ultravigo said: Rainmaker said: This basically.Why can't other understand that?The problem with all harems is that they're not Tenchi Muyo. Tenchi Muyo isn't that great. It was good, but not to the point that no other harem can compare. I'd take Dog Days over Tenchi Muyo any day. |
flannan said: But you can't deny it has a great and refreshing MC though.Personal opinion: There is only one problem with harems. You can only watch so many of them per unit of time before they get too repetitive. The authors should strive for more variety between different works. Fortunately, that feeling of repetitiveness goes away over time, so there is no point when I'm going to stop watching harems until my personal life changes. reply to OP's theory: very few harem girls get me to dislike them to the point I do not want them to win. (but Louise the Zero did that) That's why endings where the MC chooses everyone are the best. ultravigo said: This basically.Why can't other understand that? Tenchi Muyo isn't that great. It was good, but not to the point that no other harem can compare. I'd take Dog Days over Tenchi Muyo any day. |
| I just stay away from harems in general, hate that shit. |
| this is why we I like "ecchi" harem, because the male lead scores before the he choose someone. |
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