Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
| When Subaru dies, do you think that he's dimension hopping or time traveling? Do you have any other theories? |
| I think he's going back in time. Just because that's what I hope it is. If he was switching to another dimension and the one he was in continues on the way he left it when he died.. that'd just be too sad. |
| Or Time Travel or both. If Subaru goes to a point in the past, even if he's dimension hopping, he is time traveling anyway, so even if I'm not sure if this is dimension hopping or not, he's definitly time traveling xD Where's the "both" option, btw? EDIT: After some research, earing some other people's opinions on the matter and remembering some stuff from the series, I reached the conclusion that it's not Dimention Hopping |
Veldin461Jul 12, 2016 1:53 PM
| It has to be time travel because if it was only dimension hopping he would be dead even if he change dimension |
| Why not both? Instead of merely switching the dimension to the point where he didn't die, he also returns back in time. |
| Signature removed. It was too good for this cruel world. |
| My best guess is This is Subaru killed timeline:_____________________________________x Subaru`s mind updates all the knowledge from the killed Subaru The Subaru of the killed timeline is still _________________________x New route is open ---------------------------_________________________________ |
| Dimension hopping is simply just another time travel theory. It's sometimes used to explain how time travel might work. If you think there might exist a multiverse. Steins;Gate's "world lines" is a variation of this, but they avoid theories about a full multiverse. Re:Zero is just as much a time travel show as S;G. The world Subaru has been transported to is definitely something you could call a different dimension, but we're following that world's timeline. |
| Dimension hopping I think Time is the 4th dimension, so soon we might have a chance to see it. |
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iRels said: Subaru doesn't duplicates himself... So he's not time-traveling. If it were the same dimension, he'd be replacing his previous self... which would be a contradiction. Because it'd mean that his past self was already his future self. But that can't be; it'd mean that he never died... when his experiences prove that he did. In Okabe's case, he travels back in time, and meets his previous self. He could possibly meet many of his selves there... He could appear where he's previously appeared multiple times. This is only time travel... Of course he doesn't duplicate himself and it's no contradiction either. What goes back in time is not his body, just his memories. Remember that Subaru is already dead when he time travels. Technicaly yes, in that moment the Subaru from the past turns into his future self without doing it at the same time, just by receiving information. I also found this theory on reddit. I don't discard it but also don't really agree with it. But at least made me completly discard the possibility of Dimention Hopping https://www.reddit.com/r/Re_Zero/comments/4sgegg/why_i_think_theres_no_alternate_dimension/ |
Veldin461Jul 12, 2016 2:00 PM
| i think Subarus soul literally gets dragged back in time by that black hand so dunno |
| There's actually a pretty neat little film that depicts possibly one way Subaru 'goes back'. Instead of having a machine though, Subaru could essentially be the 'button' himself pressed every time he perishes. |
RagixJul 12, 2016 2:57 PM
Touch me, you filthy casual~ |
iRels said: Then it's not time travel, but going back in time. The one that time-travels should be the Witch. And she somehow has access to all of his memories. She inserts them on him after each return. It doesn't matter whether it's simply memories, or his entire body. They possess the same relevance. If he were to be time-traveling, his body would have to, too. Not only his mind. So it should be someone else that's doing it for him. And that someone is doing what Okabe was doing, in a way. But Okabe didn't have the power to insert memories. This Witch should have. The diference I was talking about is that a body is physical and memories are not, so to make his memories go back in time would not duplicate him and like that it would not be a contradition for him to go to the past in the same dimention/time-line, just that. Also... why does his body also need to go to the past to be time traveling? is that a rule? "going back in time" is not the same thing as "time traveling"? xD How does Return by Death work, I don't know, but dimention hopping wouldn't make sence. Well, even if those two are not the same thing, if is time traveling or just going back in time, if is an ability to give him awareness of a path of inevitable death or an ability that simulates path for his future until he reaches the right one, all of those I would accept, but for now I'll go with time travel. we'll see xD |
iRels said: Veldin461 said: The diference I was talking about is that a body is physical and memories are not, so to make his memories go back in time would not duplicate him and like that it would not be a contradition for him to go to the past in the same dimention/time-line, just that. Also... why does his body also need to go to the past to be time traveling? is that a rule? "going back in time" is not the same thing as "time traveling"? xD How does Return by Death work, I don't know, but dimention hopping wouldn't make sence. Well, even if those two are not the same thing, if is time traveling or just going back in time, if is an ability to give him awareness of a path of inevitable death or an ability that simulates path for his future until he reaches the right one, all of those I would accept, but for now I'll go with time travel. we'll see xD The mind cannot exist alone. Lol. Except with the intervention of magic... Okabe didn't have the power to...create matter. It wasn't his mind only that traveled. He had to bring his body, too. Subaru's not the one in control of his ability. And if it's not dimension hopping, then it should be time travel. But if it's time travel, then it isn't him that is traveling. Because he'd then be duplicating himself... Like Okabe. The Witch should be able to intervene from afar. Non-physically. She remains with him. Stores his memories. Travels back, with him. And inserts the memories. But I never said the mind could exist alone... There is magic in this show, or in this case, return by death is more like a curse. There is none of that in Steins;Gate, that is pure science fiction. It does not make any sence to compare both just because both have a time travel aspect cause is completly different By magic is just like you are receiving information(or "memories") of events from the future that never happened to you but they feel real and can become real if you run the same path as before and there's no duplication here even without dimention hopping. Not sure if it's exactly like this but you can interpret like that and it would still be time travel. Return by death is not science, it's fantasy, and by the laws of the show, it makes sence |
Veldin461Jul 12, 2016 3:14 PM
iRels said: Grunkalunka said: I think he's going back in time. Just because that's what I hope it is. If he was switching to another dimension and the one he was in continues on the way he left it when he died.. that'd just be too sad. If he were to only go back in time, then he'd return to a previous version of himself. Thus, losing the knowledge acquired. Unless he simply goes back in time and retains the memories. The mechanism of how, I feel, is unimportant, as is the need to follow real world understandings/hypothesis/assumptions of time and time travel. That's not to say I think you are wrong and I'm right. I just enjoy my idea more. |
| Well if it was just going back in time he'd meet himself. There'd be two Subarus all of a sudden, and evidentially that's not the case. So in that case it has to be dimension hopping Unless it's following along more of Steins;Gate's thinking with Subaru only sending his memories back in time rather than his physical body, in which case it would explain the lack of duplication. Unlike Steins;Gate however, there is nothing implying that that is actually what's going on however. So we can only speculate here |
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iRels said: There's sense in comparing both, lol. It shares evident similarities, and both can be understood. Both were given the same level of sense, from what appears to me. And there'd have to be duplication, if it was Subaru that would be traveling - but that's if he weren't doing so in a incorporeal way. What makes me think that it's the Witch that's doing it, is obviously the fact that he's no control over his ability. It's beyond his comprehension. It's too powerful. And I think that when the Witch 'stops time', she doesn't stops the whole world's - but Subaru's perception of time-passing. More like, she 'accelerates his mind'. He tried to move himself, and thought that enough time had passed for him to be able to, when it might have not. He then changed his mind, and the action of moving his body the way he wanted at the time, didn't take noticeable-enough effect. This makes sense, and is what I prefer to believe, over believing that the Witch can actually stop time of the whole planet. Like Dio in JoJo. It's time traveling anyway so of course there are similarities, but I'm talking about the means which one is science and the other is magic/curses so I don't think is really fair to compare both, but that's just my opinion. Anyway, for sure is not dimentional hopping and, taking that option out of the way, I just choose to believe it was time traveling. I didn't said I was correct in that, just an assumption for now Satella being the one doing it actually sound plausible, it's a nice theory. I'll not discard that too, but seems like too much work on her and the story and not necessarily makes it much better, so I don't really believe it either xD |
Veldin461Jul 12, 2016 4:19 PM
| Its remains me of Rika from Higurashi, since once she dies another world or reality is created, but still the previous world continues to exist, I see it more like dimension hopping. |
Lin Xianming is best waifu and you can't change my mind. |
| If you want to know Won't explain why but it is that. Not theory but confirmed. |
I doubt it will reach there anyway. Given we're just starting arc 3. |
| It isn't time travel because he doesn't meet himself in the past. It isn't time leap because that would be fatality (you can rewind your video/movie, it doesn't mean things will change). He confirmed that he couldn't recreate his loops perfectly when he was at the mansion. Things changed. The maids reacted differently to him. Roswaal started having more trust in him and even went having some kind of business trip not far away. What happens with Subaru is Dimension Hopping. When he dies, the world still keeps moving without him (the whole point of the ending of episode 15 I think, his head falls, the snow keeps piling up, but the dimension isn't destroyed). Only he goes back at a checkpoint in the past. |
SirLezardJul 12, 2016 9:06 PM
"Vaut mieux se suffire à soi que finir assoiffé dans le monde des apparences."  |
toryleafy said: When Subaru dies, do you think that he's dimension hopping or time traveling? Do you have any other theories? probably both considering hes going back in time at the if you know how some theories work on time travel  |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus  |
iRels said: Well, if it's far, then I better not learn it now; I'll instead follow what the author thinks is better, eh. ... But it's in arc 3? Arc 4 begins to explain his power. |
Re:Zero nice troll ending.  |
| Dimension Hopping. All those dead Rem's do bring a tear to the eye, but then again, Subaru's reality is the only reality of consequence to the story, so... :') |
FullmetalPenguin said: There's no way of knowing for sure since the show will probably never explain it any time soon. Actually, if this gets a 2nd season the next arc will give you a bit of a clue. |
| I vote for soothsaying/divination (future sight) like in Next (2007). http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0435705/ Just watch the final moments of the movie when he it's very memorable. Also makes sense to me, since witches use/d it a lot. But yea, like the person above me says, I need to see more to know more. |
| more like a time reset |
| what |
Grunkalunka said: I think he's going back in time. Just because that's what I hope it is. If he was switching to another dimension and the one he was in continues on the way he left it when he died.. that'd just be too sad. That's exactly why it should be that way. It's would be annoying if Subarus poor choices wouldn't have any consequences. So i prefer the theory that everytime he dies he takes over another Subaru in another dimension. |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
| Time travel for sure. In the most simple way I'm sure. He dies, time rewinds, the future he created then vanishes, and he keeps his memory (when going back to his 'save point') as the timeline is centered around him. It's the most simple way of imagining it as it only requires one timeline and it doesn't create any paradox. |
I don't know how signatures work   |
removed-user said: Then it's not time travel, but going back in time. That's called time traveling, going back in time is time travel. |
| I don't know how signatures work |
EstebanOD said: Time travel for sure. In the most simple way I'm sure. He dies, time rewinds, the future he created then vanishes, and he keeps his memory (when going back to his 'save point') as the timeline is centered around him. It's the most simple way of imagining it as it only requires one timeline and it doesn't create any paradox. About the future he created, they don't vanish according to Arc 6. I think S;G way of thinking won't apply here since this is not science fiction. RBD being an authority might explain how it works, kinda similar to Al, i.e., time loops. |
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