Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
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PointyThingy said: Which he cannot pinpoint exactly to whom, considering he mistook Roswaal's chain to Rem's, assuming that was her at the second murder. My point still stands, is there a solid proof or is it speculation and conjecture? Well what's Roswalds motive? He's been actively stating "let's wait and see" when it comes to Subaru. Only choice is Rem. |
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PointyThingy said: bobzanny said: Well what's Roswalds motive? He's been actively stating "let's wait and see" when it comes to Subaru. Only choice is Rem. Hmm, I wasn't even accusing Roswaal. But let me ask you then, what is her motive for the second murder? The point is, if you accept the premise that she killed Subaru because of his suspicious behaviour, then the second death makes no sense. If you think someone else did it, it still makes no sense. If you think she did it anyway ignoring all the build up in interaction with Subaru in second loop, it still makes little sense. That is the plot hole to me. Whether or not she killed him in canon during the second loop, it makes no sense. I'm tired now, and this will be my last post. Take it as how you will. From my POV the only reason Rem started trusting Subaru was because he actively mentioned his Witches Scent, since he never mentioned that during the other loops Rem took the initiative and killed Subaru. I really don't see what all the fuss is about. |
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| What happened towards the end of the demon's village flashback? Some people attacked it? Roswaad cut her horn? |
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| That OP insert was hype 😁 Subaru's and Rem's heart-to-heart conversation with Subaru reminding her of all her good qualities at the end was such a great scene.  And then that smile at the end ❤️ 😊 |
bobzanny said: PointyThingy said: Which he cannot pinpoint exactly to whom, considering he mistook Roswaal's chain to Rem's, assuming that was her at the second murder. My point still stands, is there a solid proof or is it speculation and conjecture? Well what's Roswalds motive? He's been actively stating "let's wait and see" when it comes to Subaru. Only choice is Rem. I mean Rem literally spells it out in the next loop after that, during her rant in the forest. The witch's smell is unbearable to her and she decides to kill him. IT happens in mansion in the previous loop and it happens in the forest in the next one. |
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| @PointyThingy In episode 5 there is the kitchen scene and the garden scene. In the kitchen Rem starts to stare at him. Subaru notices that and Ram tries to cover up the reason for it by saying his appearance is uncommon, especially his hair. In the garden scene Rem stares at Subaru for a really long time again so that even Subaru is confused on why she does that. The following dialogue combined with clear use of cinematography shows clearly that Ram indirectly gives Rem green light to act on her own and kill him if she sees it as necessary. Ram: "Rem...if you like you can tidy up Subaru's hair a little bit." Rem: "Sister?" surprised Ram: "You keep looking at Barusu's hair because it bothers you, right?" ominous side perspective with the eyes hidden and a small smile on her face Rem: *makes a surprised body movement* "Yes, that is correct." ... Rem: "The truth is that it did bother me a little...very much, a little...extremely, a little." This conversation ends with a shot of Betty that carefully observes their talk. As we know she is also able to perceive the smell. This scene makes it as clear as possible. The next would be obviously the sound of chains which, as we know, could be heard right before he died. In episode 6 Subaru hears another chain sound which is clearly different to the one we heard before, it's Roswaal. This one was rather light and high pitched. The one we heard in episode 5 was heavy and dull sounding. Subaru himself even writes that Roswaal's chain is misleading. Then the story makes it really obvious to show this flail as the weapon that killed him in the second loop ( episode 5 ). It even makes the same sound again. We've only seen Rem using that weapon and apparently she can summon it since she suddenly has it in episode 9 with the exact same sound. Then we have episode 8 Ram: "I think it may be necessary to keep an eye on him for a time." Roswaal: "This is a problem we must handle with the utmost care. Be sure to give the proper warning, so that your sister does not act rashly." while he says that you can see Rem staring at him again Now this confirms that Rem acts rashly and against orders if they don't keep her at a short leash. Ram has to give her warnings so that she doesn't straight up eliminate him. Then you have episode 4, once again with Roswaal and Ram Roswaal: "What of his potential as a spy?" Ram: "I cannot deny it exists, but I believe the possibility is slim. For better or worse. For worse he is to conspicuous." Roswaal: And if he's too conspicuous...gives the sign to kill him with his hand So let's put these puzzle pieces together. The 4th episode makes clear that Roswaal entrusts Ram with the power to decide whether Subaru can be executed or not. The scene of episode 5 clarifies that this condition applies also for the second loop as she is the one allowing Rem to act. In episode 5 we can see the maids talking indirectly about killing him but they cover it up with the hair story. Rem is surprised because she didn't expect her sister to give her the go to act when she sees the need for it. She is entrusted with the choice to do as she pleases which, as we got to know through their flashback, is something Rem didn't allow herself to do out of guilt. Usually Rem is obedient and doesn't act when her sister doesn't tell her to but the witch's scent makes her loose any form of logical thinking and she purely acts on emotions as you could see in episode 7. Rem even says that she would prefer if Ram didn't get to know about this. It's also Ram who executes and at the same time releases him from the torture. The witch's scent is not only the worst evil in this world, she also has a personal grudge against them which we got to see in the flashback of episode 11. Enough reason for her to act rashly. The scene with Roswaal in episode 8 confirms that Rem acts preemptively and on her own because of said scent and that she has to be kept at bay because in this loop Subaru doesn't come off as suspicious as before. They simply want to observe him longer. tl;dr - Episode 4 shows that Ram is the decisive body after Roswaal and she can order Subaru's death - Episode 8 showed that Rem is known to act rashly and that he has to be warned not to act preemptively - Episode 5 shows how Ram deems Rem's reaction on his scent as a threat big enough and she allows her to act on her own. Rem eventually says that she will. - Episode 6 identifies the sound we heard at his second death as the flail we get to see and then we see how wields this flail - Episode 7 gives her the reason to kill him which is the witch's scent. And as we know now Rem has a personal grudge against it We have the motive for Rem to kill him. We have the murder weapon which Rem wields and could be heard at the scene We have the information that she acts on her own easily coupled with an emotional motive We have the direct order for Rem to act on her own which she obeys. If that isn't enough evidence that is well hidden and requires you to pick up on the smallest things then I don't know what is. You don't get stuff spoon fed in this story so you have to find the evidence yourself which isn't hard as you see. |
PointyThingy said: @Fappa That was not really my original point actually. Perhaps I should have included scenarios where Rem is confirmed in canon as linked to the second murder. Sorry if I can't reply in detail, but I'm really tired right now. The way I see it is Rem has little reason to kill Subaru if we accept the reason she did so because he was being suspicious (which most people are endorsing), and if we don't accept the reason it still makes little sense because Subaru was not being threatening and had built up a pretty good rapport with her, so the reasoning passes off as kinda mystical. And if it was third party, well, there are plenty of plot holes there. If what you say is true however, then Rem kills Subaru with very little justification which reflects badly upon both her character and Roswaal household. This is especially when he was under the curse effect which presumably also affected the villagers at the same time. So if I ignore the motivation for a while and look at the second loop continuation, that means she killed Subaru instead of helping him, the person Emilia owe a debt to, would probably find the village children gone missing or dead the next day from the same curse, which Roswaal would be held responsible for. Needless to say, I remain mystified at the reasoning, because simply witch scent does not explain why Rem felt justified to kill him. Implication is there. Reasoning however does not make sense. I need to go to sleep now. Gnight. You seem to be greatly confused. Are you aware that the scent of the witch and the curse from the bites is not the same thing? Are you aware that what pissed Rem off is the scent of the witch which made her believe he was a spy or part of her cult (=danger towards Emilia, Roswaal, the villagers in general and persecution against herself). Are you aware that Roswaal allowed the twins to act? Are you aware that Subaru is a nobody, a ghost in this world? That no one knows him and his death would go unnoticed? Are you aware that if you told the "law" (whatever that is) and the villagers that Subaru was part of the cult, they wouldn't defend him? |
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| @PointyThingy Alright. The problem lies with the motive. The motive of Rem is the witch's stench and that is very well a justified motive. You simply have to grasp what the witch of envy is in this world. She is worst evil, the one being that almost destroyed the entire world. She is basically what Satan is in our world. Now we got the information that having the witch's stench means you're being favored by Satella and have a connection to her. Being favored by the worst evil in this world is already bad enough and honestly if every know would be able to perceive it, Subaru would be faster dead than he can count to 10. Luckily just specific beings can perceive it. If that wasn't enough Rem also has a bad past and personal grudge against the witch, the witch cult and everything that has to do with the witch. Episode 7 revealed that the witch and/or the witch cult has done something to her and Ram for whom she feels the biggest hatred possible. The flashback in episode 11 showed us that it was the witch cult ( you can clearly identify them with their cultist robes and ceremony knifes. They also made a controlled termination of this tribe by burning them all on one pile. If you look closely you can see crosses built up so there was also cases of crucifying ) that cut off Ram's horn which is both sister's worst experience in their life. It caused Ram great pain and grief which automatically also caused Rem grief. Not only that but it was also the cause for her single thought that caused her to feel guilty for life. And now think about it. Subaru, a random guy without background comes at this mansion and he reeks of this stench that only people have on them that have to do with the worst being in this world. Not only that but this stench also stands for everything bad in Rem's and her sister's life. This motive combined with the okay from her sister who Rem obeys completely and there you have it. |
iRels said: It...makes me see Ram with other eyes. She's sly... Deciding a person's fate in front of them, without them even realizing. While Rem has trouble dealing with this 'evil', Ram deals with it artfully. She's the prodigy, indeed... That's this whole retrospective way of story telling that this author does. With each puzzle piece you get you'll start to see various characters and events in a different light. In this case it was episode 7 and at last this flashback that allowed us to shine a new light on this "old" scene. In this case we get to see Ram's character with different eyes and her development hasn't even started yet. This results in a strong original state of her character and makes the changes her character undergoes even more impactful :) Another great example is how Re:Zero actually gave "the red ogre who cried" story its own ending by finding the blue ogre who vanished at the end. It's interesting because the author creates a character that pays homage to a fairy tale, then flips it on its head so that the character would hate being told that very same fairy tale from whence they were referenced. |
FappaJun 15, 2016 6:03 PM
envy__ said: calm yo titties bruh, im pretty sure theyre saving the best for last and that is emilia. although i understand where youre coming from. it is just subaru fell for emilia the first time they met just like a normal human would. we do have our biases and subaru's is emilia Are you talking to me lol? I'm only responding to someone else who was making points towards me. I actually agree with you, I think they will develop her more in the future since she's obviously probably an integral part to the plot (since apparently she looks like the witch named stella or w/e). That's kind of been my point this whole entire time. |
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Jagd84 said: I can certianly see your point. But reason I can't agree to it is because it's not like Subaru doesn't a bit about Emilia either. He also gone through his share of hardships together with her bonded pretty well , even if Rem has revealed more about herself to him (she sort had to justify her actions to himself and readers/viewers) so in my POV it doesn't make his other relationships less important. Human interaction isn't a binary function afterall. Ultimately Subaru helped Rem because he wants a future here in mansion and he can't get that if she keeps trying to kill him. He also strikes me as just that kind of guy who have done the samething for any of the mansion's residents. So I don't like Rem getting any special treatment here, it's just that her problems were more obvious and were in need of immediate attention as he's life dependented on it. I think we should agree to disagree, but I'm pretty sure with all the hinting they are doing with the witch named stella that Emilia (who was said to resemble her) will become an integral part of the plot very soon so we should all be seeing more of her, especially since she is considered to be one of the heirs to the throne. My ultimate feeling (and the last thing I"ll say about this) is that just like we had to wait a bit for Subaru to begin to fall out of his otaku stereotype (and i'm aware he is still transitioning into a more 3 dimensional character), I still think that eventually Emilia SHOULDl get the same treatment. (I don't know this for sure since i haven't read the LN lol but with the direction this show is going I feel like there is still enough time for more things to happen since we still have 25 ep). |
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| It's official ! There is no best girl in this anime! Emilia Rem Ram Beatrice OMG i can't choose !!! They're all so damn cute!!!! |
tinybunnvevo said: I think we should agree to disagree, but I'm pretty sure with all the hinting they are doing with the witch named stella that Emilia (who was said to resemble her) will become an integral part of the plot very soon so we should all be seeing more of her, especially since she is considered to be one of the heirs to the throne. My ultimate feeling (and the last thing I"ll say about this) is that just like we had to wait a bit for Subaru to begin to fall out of his otaku stereotype (and i'm aware he is still transitioning into a more 3 dimensional character), I still think that eventually Emilia SHOULDl get the same treatment. (I don't know this for sure since i haven't read the LN lol but with the direction this show is going I feel like there is still enough time for more things to happen since we still have 25 ep). Well for me, I believe the story should handle things at it's own pace. I'm fine with some characters gradually being characterized bit by bit as the show progresses because it's pretty clear their all integral to the plot. Unlike Rem who we pretty much know everything about at this point since her past isn't heavilytied to the story, Emilia and even Subaru still have many mysteries about them that are the driving force of the story. And the direction their relationship moves in is going be important because of that. |
Iron_MawJun 15, 2016 10:07 PM
zal said: What happened towards the end of the demon's village flashback? Some people attacked it? Roswaad cut her horn? The robed guys who attacked are the Witch Cult that Rem had mentioned back in episode 7. It's them who had cut-off Ram's horn. The twins seem have been taken in by Roswaal after that happened. |
| Sad backstory for the twins :/. The fight against the dog was perfectly synchronized with the song, Subaru can be powerful too. Fortunately Roswaal destroyed the dog, but I had the impression that something strange will happen with him. This was another very good episodr |
Gallus_Gallus said: Creepy_Noire_fan said: It's official ! There is no best girl in this anime! Emilia Rem Ram Beatrice OMG i can't choose !!! They're all so damn cute!!!! There are still to come though In fact I think in the next episode there will be a new girl appear I know... I just don't think they'll be on the same level as these 4 :P |
bobzanny said: PointyThingy said: Hmm, I wasn't even accusing Roswaal. But let me ask you then, what is her motive for the second murder? The point is, if you accept the premise that she killed Subaru because of his suspicious behaviour, then the second death makes no sense. If you think someone else did it, it still makes no sense. If you think she did it anyway ignoring all the build up in interaction with Subaru in second loop, it still makes little sense. That is the plot hole to me. Whether or not she killed him in canon during the second loop, it makes no sense. I'm tired now, and this will be my last post. Take it as how you will. From my POV the only reason Rem started trusting Subaru was because he actively mentioned his Witches Scent, since he never mentioned that during the other loops Rem took the initiative and killed Subaru. I really don't see what all the fuss is about. Don't forget the lap pillow scene which she was present for. I think his breakdown there where he confided his troubles to Emilia started to form some doubts in her mind too. |
| What a good episode!! I really don't have much else to say except that! I'm excited (and scared shitless) to see what the next arc holds. |
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| I'm still not sure about Subaru's power. There's so many questions in my head @.@ So excited on the next arc though its quite surprising in the next episode we get a chance on Emilia and Subaru episode the ship must HOLD! |
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Prorewiel said: llEuphoriall said: i dont want to spoiler but i think you will be dissapointedI'm still not sure about Subaru's power. There's so many questions in my head @.@ So excited on the next arc though its quite surprising in the next episode we get a chance on Emilia and Subaru episode the ship must HOLD! Why?, spoil me senpai ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) |
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PointyThingy said: That was offered as the basic reason. Then there is the contradiction. The good will Subaru build during the second loop was not enough to save him while he was being a subject of Roswaal, cleared from suspicion by Ram and Roswaal, sick from curse (if I were to accept it was Rem) but apparently she did not kill him the first chance she got on the first, fourth, and fifth loop. OK, I finally know where the problem is :-) So, Rem did not kill him in the first loop, because she didn't noticed the Witch's scent. It gets stronger each time Subaru uses "Return by Death" (and it's a fact - Beatrice said in one of the episodes, that the scent got much stronger since the first time she meet him). She didn't kill him in fourth one, because Subaru was unconscious most of the time and he spent the fourth night inside Beatrice special-purpose room, that no one (except Subaru) knows how to enter. And in the fifth and final loop she didn't do it because of three moments. First, when Emilia said to her that Subaru is not a bad person. It was the moment she decided to observe him more, to see if he is or not a bad person. Second, when he intentionally mentioned the Witch's scent and promised to talk about it later. And finally, when he risked his life to save her. That convinced her that, despite the Witch's scent, he really is a good person. |
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Svenhent said: This question might sound a bit weird, but: Did Rem really quoted Subaru to be "fanatical like a demon" at the end of the episode? I kinda remember that back in episode 5, when Subaru first quoted it, Rem seems puzzled like she never heard that phrase before. (or was she just surprised he used the term Oni/demon? IDK) Let's just say that if she never heard that phrase before, then wouldn't it be weird to see her quoting that at the end of this episode? Episode 5 is from different reset, and during this timeline I don't think he used that phrase before. (Episode 10 it's used when Subaru was slashing Rem's horn, but unless that scene has the big error in lips-sync, it does seem that's just a monologue rather than he actually shouting out the phrase) Any thoughts or clarification on this? He uses it in ep 9 during the promise with Rem. |
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| I just want Felt and Reinhart to come back :(((( |
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| I know, right?? Pashpu said: I just want Felt and Reinhart to come back :(((( I know, right? They introduced 2 great characters then just shelved them so quickly. :/ |
| Brilliant as ever. The OP playing in the middle of the fight made it feel hyped as fuck. Rem's crying, laughing smile at the end there was heartwarming. That, combined with both of her eyes showing made her entire facade fall down and show just how vulnerable she really is. Powerful scene. That revelation at the end about Roswall is quite worrying. It makes it seem like he's actually an enemy and / or competition for Emilia in gaining the throne. |
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