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Jagd84 said: jbuster213 said: Will arc 3 get finished by the time this season ends?? Yes. It's basically the entire 2md half of the show. Is there no sign of season 2 yet?? |
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| Too early to talk about that. |
| Felt like a Gintama episode, best one yet! Hyped for Arc 3! |
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| I hope that in any case, in the continuous of this series, there won't be a WAR between fan-factions, Rem fan and Emilia fan ... Because it wasn't good for the series and it isn't pleasant to read. There is no need to talk about "lack of development" "never seen" "she is better" "no mine" etc. too heatedly, when we are just at the beginning of the story, as Fappa says. |
Ramiel00Jun 14, 2016 6:43 AM
| What do you think about the planetarium? That beautiful twinkling of eternity that will never fade, no matter when.... |
Ramiel00 said: Agreed.I hope that in any case, in the continuous of this series, there won't be a WAR between fan-factions, Rem fan and Emilia fan ... Because it wasn't good for the series and it isn't pleasant to read. There is no need to talk about "lack of development" "never seen" "she is better" "no mine" etc. too heatedly, when we are just at the beginning of the story, as Fappa says. How do people find the time & energy to write these essays.. |
| Down on the West Coast They got a sayin' |
Ramiel00 said: I hope that in any case, in the continuous of this series, there won't be a WAR between fan-factions, Rem fan and Emilia fan ... Because it wasn't good for the series and it isn't pleasant to read. There is no need to talk about "lack of development" "never seen" "she is better" "no mine" etc. too heatedly, when we are just at the beginning of the story, as Fappa says. As a person who is completely neutral to the "Waifu war" I have to agree. Rather than a competition it should be seen as gift to get well developed characters throughout the story :)! Maybe it's because anime as a medium makes it seem longer or something. People just have to properly look at the scale of this story and then it becomes far easier to understand why certain things ( Emilia for example ) didn't happen yet. Clearly her characterization involves major plot points and story elements that simply aren't supposed to be at the start of a story. Rather than a picture of things the story only gives you puzzle piece after puzzle piece. And just like in an actual puzzle each piece has multiple sides that connect with another piece. This results in a overall connectivity throughout the story. For example we will get information in the third arc 3 that will give us a completely new view on scenes of arc 1 + 2. Anyway, it's all only a matter of time and I wish patience would be more of a thing here :D |
Jagd84 said: So far all we know that Dragon sigil seem to be what determines candidacy. It whether it takes a person past or not account is not known. Emilia most likely has some connection to the Witch of Envy due to having both of her known, but as far we know she could just be a decedent. True, that's all we know, but there is one more thing. Whoever decides who will get elected as the new King (or Queen) must, or at least should, think what would common people feel if someone who looks just like Satella (or more precisely what people believe she looked like) is elected as the next Queen. There must be something to balance this out, IMO. |
mozgowJun 14, 2016 11:55 AM
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| I feel for ram so hard (? The blue one lol)... inferiority complexes are not fun And also... Apparently it gets even more tragic and intense and emotional and UGH IM NOT READY |
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Ramiel00 said: I hope that in any case, in the continuous of this series, there won't be a WAR between fan-factions, Rem fan and Emilia fan ... Because it wasn't good for the series and it isn't pleasant to read. There is no need to talk about "lack of development" "never seen" "she is better" "no mine" etc. too heatedly, when we are just at the beginning of the story, as Fappa says. Agreed. It's a silly thing that came out of nowhere and has nothing to do with story. None of it even matters in long run and there better things to be discussing. mozgow said: Jagd84 said: So far all we know that Dragon sigil seem to be what determines candidacy. It whether it takes a person past or not account is not known. Emilia most likely has some connection to the Witch of Envy due to having both of her known, but as far we know she could just be a decedent. True, that's all we know, but there is one more thing. Whoever decides who will get elected as the knew King (or Queen) must, or at least should, think what would common people feel if someone who looks just like Satella (or more precisely what people believe she looked like) is elected as the next Queen. There must be something to balance this out, IMO. Weill, all I can say is wait for next arc on that. :) |
Iron_MawJun 14, 2016 11:15 AM
zaidk said: A peaceful episode? Am I watching re:zero here? I'm sure we will wish for this episode in the upcoming arc The calm before the storm, huh. |
| @Raven_Wingz Nah, this more a resolution and respite after coming out of long tunnel. Next week would actually be the calm before the storm. |
| Another amazing episode........................... love it |
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Jagd84 said: A symbol needs to have a meaning. Emilia having interactions Subaru is not a meaning in that sense. The point of interactions for him to get to know her more through whatever means. Whether it be small talk about cutting vegetables and trading banter with Ram, talking about magic and future goals while teasing Emilia, or even getting his butler outfit tailored by Rem while she jokes about his size. Nearly all of bonding moments have been small moments that Subaru has cherished and brought him closer to them. If normal pleasant and down to earth conversations are what you called symbolic than any interaction Subaru has had has been that. So maybe it's just poor choice of words on your part, but I think sad things have been forgotten or misconstrued downthe line. I think it does a disservice to twins and Emilia because Subaru has very specific way of interacting with people and like with Emilia he doesn't mind telling Rem and Ram their cute for instance. Yes ultimately Subaru see each person differently but there is nothing wrong with that. Who he desires as potential partners or just friends up to him as long as, but ne thing is that he's always respected them as people. Or at least tries too. I also disagree about agency, there was actually lack of that this show female would waiting on Subaru's every command instead taking initiatives on there own. When Rem directed to go after the dogs to free Subaru from the curse that was her own choice. When Emilia decided to give Subaru that lap pillow and lend an ear to his troubles that was her own choice. When Betty tried help him escape from Roswaal that was her own choice and Ram decided teach him how to read and write that was her own choice. Not one of them had to do any of those thing nor did Subaru sudden force those acts on him. It was done on their own free will based entirely on their distinct personalities and circumstances. You make good points! I think I shouldn't have used the word "pedastal waifu" because I really don't think Emilia is like that and I'm not trying to say she is. I'm just saying that RN she doesn't have as much depth as Rem because we don't know her backstory, so compared to Rem she's been kind of in the background. That being said I do think her character will be expounded on, which is what I was originally trying to say in my fist comment : -). I don't think Subaru has treated them disrespectfully, if anything I think he values Rem and Ram as his friends so. It's just that right now Subaru gushes on her without really knowing anything about her, where as him and Rem share a bigger bond because Rem bore her heart to him, where as we still don't know about Emilia. Subaru originally started out as the "otaku" type, and I do think that her r/s with Subaru still holds a little bit of that otaku-worship as the "ultimate waifu" right now. You can't really deny that right now we don't know anything about Emilia, but we do know things about Rem, and I think thats what people are responding to, because the 2nd arc has taken up a lot of the time compared to the first arc, making Emilia's character development take a backseat to Rem. that being said again, i'm not saying her character is past the point of no return, which is what I feel how you're representing my points. Compared to Rem, she hasn't had a lot of relevance to the plot other than a)comforting and b)acting as the avenue for him to meet Rem and Ram. They have built up their r/s but not compared to Rem. You're right that she didn't have to do any of this for Subaru, but in this arc she has def taken a backseat. That's just my opinion so it's ok to disagree (i think you will actually), but I still stand by this point. AGAIN I'm not saying she's worthless tho. |
1290349450394aJun 14, 2016 12:42 PM
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| . Hopefully she'll become more active sooner than later, considering she seems to hold a great deal of importance to the source material (and this world) without spilling all over the place. But then again we just may have to wait for the next season or just read the LNs. *shudder* You know skimming back over this last page. I don't really comprehend the request for patience "where just at the beginning/5% of the story". For all we know these 20-odd episodes may be all we ever see of this. What really inspires people to believe there will be a second season? Or even a meaningful OVA? we're at the 40-50% mark and one of the primary character noticeably falling out of view. Beside a few words from the other characters, Subaru's annoying worship, and her pep-scenes she contains no relevance to the plot or its indications other than romantic aspirations for the main character. I understand as I think I have mentioned before this arc is tantamount to the maids rather than Emilia or Subaru's introduction to the world and the other characters. This doesn't mean Emilia, as a main character should take a backseat to the entirety of events, particularly when it concerns the staff of her home. I think there is a shit ton of characterization that could've been done for her with her interactions with Subaru. But instead we were assaulting with fawning and fiddling over her. Personally it's unfunny as fuck, but beyond that it strips Emilia of meaningful screen time that may have pretty much abolished any possibility of the back and forth we've had in this thread and the other. Instead they chose to portray Subaru's flagrantly animated (irony?) attitude towards her. I like Emilia, and, like many other titles have watched her design drew me to the show in spite of it apparently being about a form of time travel Which I tend to veer away from for some reason. I still like Emilia, I really do, and I hope she con somehow come off as interesting even if her arc wont really be explored this season or even this series. Maybe it's just one of those writer tendencies to introduce the main characters in spite of them really being inactive for little reason towards the middle (or much of the story). First girl has to be first I suppose and has to be connected with MC early on. And has to present herself as a drive and motivation for the MC so he can justify his attraction to her to the audience. But from what I've heard she supposed to be so much more than that and the length of this series puts me in a bad mood with how they use the limited screen time she is given. We can largely understand through tropes, foresight, clues, spoilers, and the fat she is one of the main characters with a very contrasting appearance and heritage she is someone of importance. We learn she is a candidate for a seat of power being backed by a very peculiar few. And through their actions someone who must be protected (very likely for their own reasons). But that's really it. I think there was a tad of waste in the few scenes she was allotted in these last few episodes, even if they were trying to reaffirm her kindhearted ness. |
TyrelJun 14, 2016 6:04 PM
| Lol at all these people complaining about Emilia-tan. At the moment she's serving her purpose quite well right now-helping advanced Subaru as a character. Eventually she'll get her spotlight since she's tied to the main plot of the story so all we do now is wait. Seriously though complaining about Emilia being lackluster right now is like complaining about Sakura during the fate route-it's not their time to shine. |
| Big Order (TV):great anime or greatest anime? |
Pardon? character limit... Editz: Oh, the content not context. Sure. |
QWERTYFish25Jun 14, 2016 1:49 PM
| The feels. I honestly love this series so far 5/5 |
iRels said: The 'p**sy' and 'f**k' words are profane. Should avoid using them or at least censor (like I just did). A Mod should know more than me that haven't read the rules, even. But check what it says in 'Report' post. Noticed that now. |
| Heh I can't wait for the shitstorm in episode 13 and see if people will still complain about Emilia being lackluster and just there to act cute. |
| I hope the feeling changes. Don't really enjoy "hating" character. |
QWERTYFish25Jun 14, 2016 5:32 PM
| that episode killed me SPOILER when subaru said to rem the blue girl (i still dont gt the names of the twins)that she needs to think of a future and dont look back i cried I CRIED SO FREAKING HARD just i had a bad childhod and i allways look back and im getting deprest about it like my prents broke up and etc. i wish subaru was real cuz i really wanna say thanks to him because he cured my derpresion. ARIGATO SUBARU-KUN!! |
VanillaBear360 said: that episode killed me SPOILER when subaru said to rem the blue girl (i still dont gt the names of the twins)that she needs to think of a future and dont look back i cried I CRIED SO FREAKING HARD just i had a bad childhod and i allways look back and im getting deprest about it like my prents broke up and etc. i wish subaru was real cuz i really wanna say thanks to him because he cured my derpresion. ARIGATO SUBARU-KUN!! That's awesome. And may your pain stay far, far away. |
| Roswaal is really creeping me out and i do not trust him |
| Scream! |
| Really emotional episode, their past was tragic I don't blame Rem because Ram was good at everything too sad she lost her horn. |
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| I loved Subaru's fight with the Final Boss Dog it was so sloppy and visceral. I especially like him jamming the sword wherever he could and just stabbing it in the mouth. Rem was too cute this episode, dat smile though. Also thought the closing scene with Emilia was great hope next week we just get an episode of them on a date. Great use of the OP and ED song. I kind of thought Roswaal was a little creepy there at the end. Not a fan of these weird scenes with him and Ram. |
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| I actually really like Roswaal and Ram scene. I love the vibe man. Idk how to explain it. It's a break from the cutesy scenes i guess. To a more sexual vibe without actually portraying sex. It's like on the verge of making you uncomfortable and I really like that for some reason. |
| Down on the West Coast They got a sayin' |
tinybunnvevo said: Jagd84 said: A symbol needs to have a meaning. Emilia having interactions Subaru is not a meaning in that sense. The point of interactions for him to get to know her more through whatever means. Whether it be small talk about cutting vegetables and trading banter with Ram, talking about magic and future goals while teasing Emilia, or even getting his butler outfit tailored by Rem while she jokes about his size. Nearly all of bonding moments have been small moments that Subaru has cherished and brought him closer to them. If normal pleasant and down to earth conversations are what you called symbolic than any interaction Subaru has had has been that. So maybe it's just poor choice of words on your part, but I think sad things have been forgotten or misconstrued downthe line. I think it does a disservice to twins and Emilia because Subaru has very specific way of interacting with people and like with Emilia he doesn't mind telling Rem and Ram their cute for instance. Yes ultimately Subaru see each person differently but there is nothing wrong with that. Who he desires as potential partners or just friends up to him as long as, but ne thing is that he's always respected them as people. Or at least tries too. I also disagree about agency, there was actually lack of that this show female would waiting on Subaru's every command instead taking initiatives on there own. When Rem directed to go after the dogs to free Subaru from the curse that was her own choice. When Emilia decided to give Subaru that lap pillow and lend an ear to his troubles that was her own choice. When Betty tried help him escape from Roswaal that was her own choice and Ram decided teach him how to read and write that was her own choice. Not one of them had to do any of those thing nor did Subaru sudden force those acts on him. It was done on their own free will based entirely on their distinct personalities and circumstances. You make good points! I think I shouldn't have used the word "pedastal waifu" because I really don't think Emilia is like that and I'm not trying to say she is. I'm just saying that RN she doesn't have as much depth as Rem because we don't know her backstory, so compared to Rem she's been kind of in the background. That being said I do think her character will be expounded on, which is what I was originally trying to say in my fist comment : -). I don't think Subaru has treated them disrespectfully, if anything I think he values Rem and Ram as his friends so. It's just that right now Subaru gushes on her without really knowing anything about her, where as him and Rem share a bigger bond because Rem bore her heart to him, where as we still don't know about Emilia. Subaru originally started out as the "otaku" type, and I do think that her r/s with Subaru still holds a little bit of that otaku-worship as the "ultimate waifu" right now. You can't really deny that right now we don't know anything about Emilia, but we do know things about Rem, and I think thats what people are responding to, because the 2nd arc has taken up a lot of the time compared to the first arc, making Emilia's character development take a backseat to Rem. that being said again, i'm not saying her character is past the point of no return, which is what I feel how you're representing my points. Compared to Rem, she hasn't had a lot of relevance to the plot other than a)comforting and b)acting as the avenue for him to meet Rem and Ram. They have built up their r/s but not compared to Rem. You're right that she didn't have to do any of this for Subaru, but in this arc she has def taken a backseat. That's just my opinion so it's ok to disagree (i think you will actually), but I still stand by this point. AGAIN I'm not saying she's worthless tho. I can certianly see your point. But reason I can't agree to it is because it's not like Subaru doesn't a bit about Emilia either. He also gone through his share of hardships together with her bonded pretty well , even if Rem has revealed more about herself to him (she sort had to justify her actions to himself and readers/viewers) so in my POV it doesn't make his other relationships less important. Human interaction isn't a binary function afterall. Ultimately Subaru helped Rem because he wants a future here in mansion and he can't get that if she keeps trying to kill him. He also strikes me as just that kind of guy who have done the samething for any of the mansion's residents. So I don't like Rem getting any special treatment here, it's just that her problems were more obvious and were in need of immediate attention as he's life dependented on it. |
bobzanny said: At the moment she's serving her purpose quite well right now-helping advanced Subaru as a character. Which is kind of the problem? Emilia has no agency. She is just there as a prize. She has been for what 7? 8? episodes already? The only thing the show and Subaru does during her screentime is shower her with praise on just how pure innocent and awesome she is. Meanwhile every single other character is developing becoming more complex, more three dimension. All we know about Emilia is that she has some mysterious background, lots of responsibilities and is naive idealistic and caring waifu who gets flustered around Subaru's antics. That's it. This was the perfect time to spread hints and interesting moments about her, to show her struggle with her being unable to help the village, with Subaru's behavior, etc. We got that depth with freaking Roswaal of all people - all those interesting facial expressions, camera angles, implied reactions, dialogue, etc - WITH ROSWAAL, but NOT with Emilia. Meanwhile the screentime for her is all about support for MC or BEING the prize for MC's success. I mean this episode - that was literally her role - the narrative awarded MC with a date as reward for his nice guy behavior and suffering. That is sexist as hell. I mean how is that different from SAO's Asuna? AKA one of the most offensively handled characters where it took two shows for her to become her own person? Actually one could even argue Asuna is better written so far since she had her flaws emotions and vulnerabilities in the first arc even if she was literally a trophy wife for most of narrative. Seriously though complaining about Emilia being lackluster right now is like complaining about Sakura during the fate route-it's not their time to shine. Complaining about Sakura is fair. As I outlined before - "shelving" a character onto repeat of same scenes before she becomes relevant IS bad writing, especially when its the lead heroine. Sakura is least liked heroine of FSN for a reason. Because by the route she actually becomes relevant, the viewers already like and connect with every single other character far more and find her shtick to be annoying(because it was repeated so many times). Why does it not happen to other two heroines - Rin and Saber? OH right because those two characters ARE staying complex and interesting even when its "not their time". I actually already made that comparison in how it can snowball into worse and worse writing already. A good writer can have character be interesting, complex and three dimensional even before the character becomes relevant to the plot. Emilia was somewhat two dimensional in the first arc with a hint of complexity but in this arc the narrative is literally playing out the exact same scene with her every episode ad nauseum, making one dimensional. That is NOT a good writing. No wonder so many people already find Rem and Rem/Subaru far superior/complex. IF it takes another 80 hours for Emilia to become relevant, by that time the viewers will already just fel like her screentime takes away from characters like Rem. Hell, that is the case with this arc already - her and Subaru's scenes are like "Ye we get it he will make an awkward joke and Emilia will get flustered at that, so can ww get back to the actual interesting thriller/mystery plot?". The problem is that the rest of the show is so good at executing that mystery atmosphere and lore presentation, so you still sit through those scenes paying complete attention hoping for SOMETHING out of ordinary to happen. But it does not. Subaru makes a neet joke, calls her a cute name, puck throws some sass, she gets flustered, she disappears, we go back to plot till she reappears again to repeat the same sequence. It feels like a brilliant show inter-cut with some very generic ln adaptation(even if interaction itself feels somewhat more realistic). Tp the point that I keep hoping for her to actually be Satella in disguise just so all those scenes make ANY sort of sense, even though |
AhenshihaelJun 15, 2016 12:26 AM
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Fai said: All we know about Emilia is that she has some mysterious background, lots of responsibilities and is naive idealistic and caring waifu who gets flustered around Subaru's antics. That's it. Interesting. Please show me some examples of her naive idealism. Last time I checked not did she not trust Subaru much first time they met she even lied to him about who she was so she could scare him off. Moreover up unitll he proved he wasn't an enemy she was most guarded around him. In fact she and him might ave ended up in fight until Elsa showed up. But now that she's opened up to him a bit after that ordeal he finally earned her trust on some level she's wafiu bait? Poor Rem, I guess she waifu bait now too because she well treat Subaru the same way Emilia does after earning her trust too in the next arc. Didn't realize two people natural becoming friends after going through danger together was such a problem. |Your really just projecting traits on to her that isn't there. |
Iron_MawJun 15, 2016 12:36 AM
| ooh I hope felt is shown soon.. Plus Emilia sure knows how to act naive and all |
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Jagd84 said: Fai said: All we know about Emilia is that she has some mysterious background, lots of responsibilities and is naive idealistic and caring waifu who gets flustered around Subaru's antics. That's it. Interesting. Please show me some examples of her naive idealism. Last time I checked not did she not trust Subaru much first time they met she even lied to him about who she was so she could scare him off. Moreover up unitll he proved he wasn't an enemy she was most guarded around him. But now that she's opned up to him a bit he after that ordeal she's wafiu bait? Subaru literally spells it out in the first arc with the lost girl. Narrative does it too with Emilia's behavior and her helping the girl in all timelines. And in this arc Subaru reminisces on how she took on that name so he would not get dragged into the throne bs. And we see it with her caring waifu behavior around Subaru. Literally every scene between them reinforces that stereotype. Poor Rem, I guess she waifu bait now too because she well treat Subaru the same way Emilia doe after earning her trust too. Thats a logical fallacy of false equivalence. Rem already is well developed three dimensional characters. We can UNDERSTAND where her behavior stems from and she has a tangible agency behind her actions. The last scene between them in this episode? That is similar in tone to Emilia ones yet it is more complex and actually has emotional backbone from her characterization. So even if Rem were to treat him the same way(which she wont since she is a different character), we can see WHERE it is coming from. It is not for Subaru's benefit. It is an extension of her characterization that is already there. Rem is a complex individual with established, interesting and dynamic psychological profile that makes sense and stays true to her experiences. She can show affection and pity and care if she wants and we can see where it stems from. Of course if show decided to promise Subaru a date with her just for getting through an ordeal, that would still be a problem. There's a HUGE difference between writing character to exist solely in scenes of a support for MC and having a well grounded and established character show her support. |
AhenshihaelJun 15, 2016 12:41 AM
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Fai said: Subaru literally spells it out in the first arc with the lost girl. Narrative does it too with Emilia's behavior and her helping the girl in all timelines. And in this arc Subaru reminisces on how she took on that name so he would not get dragged into the throne bs. And we see it with her caring waifu behavior around Subaru. Literally every scene between them reinforces that stereotype. Helping a person out especially when clearly in trouble is not a sign of naivety dude. By that logic Reinhard is naive for doing the same thing. Those are some flimsy reasons man Cmon. And Rem just as much of stereotype as anyone right down to her character design and relationship with her sister. Her backstory is nothing new either, it's just executed well. Thats a logical fallacy of false equivalence. Rem already is well developed three dimensional characters. We can UNDERSTAND where her behavior stems from and she has a tangible agency behind her actions. The last scene between them in this episode? That is similar in tone to Emilia ones yet it is more complex and actually has emotional backbone from her characterization. Nice excuse, but no. Rem is now friendly with Subaru because he helped her out, that's it. The only difference between this and last arc is that we had an accompanying backstory. The result is still the same. So it's just hypocrisy at this point. So even if Rem were to treat him the same way(which she wont since she is a different character), we can see WHERE it is coming from. It is not for Subaru's benefit. It is an extension of her characterization that is already there. ...Are you literally telling me you cannot see why Emilia is little more friendly with Subaru now compared to the last arc? Really? It entire point why Subaru is even allow to stay at mansion. Rem is a complex individual. She can show affection and pity and care if she wants and we can see where it stems from. Of course if show decided to promise Subaru a date with her just for getting through an ordeal, that would still be a problem. That doesn't make any sense. Rem is kind and loyal individual because that is how she is. Subaru already knew/realized that in ep 7 which is why he went back to save the twins and show they were gravely mistaken about him. Furthermore Emilia has shown affection, pity and for same exact reason. Emilia accepted Subaru's invitation because she didn't have any problems going out with him since she has already enjoys his company for the most part. Rem would have done same thing if he asked her because just like Emilia she is also someone who he has become good friends with. Besides nothing promised him a date with her, he asked her out by his own initiative after everything was settled. All your doing is nitpicking things normal people do everywhere for similar or lesser reasons. |
Iron_MawJun 15, 2016 2:36 AM
Fai said: bobzanny said: At the moment she's serving her purpose quite well right now-helping advanced Subaru as a character. Which is kind of the problem? Emilia has no agency. She is just there as a prize. She has been for what 7? 8? episodes already? The only thing the show and Subaru does during her screentime is shower her with praise on just how pure innocent and awesome she is. Meanwhile every single other character is developing becoming more complex, more three dimension. All we know about Emilia is that she has some mysterious background, lots of responsibilities and is naive idealistic and caring waifu who gets flustered around Subaru's antics. That's it. This was the perfect time to spread hints and interesting moments about her, to show her struggle with her being unable to help the village, with Subaru's behavior, etc. We got that depth with freaking Roswaal of all people - all those interesting facial expressions, camera angles, implied reactions, dialogue, etc - WITH ROSWAAL, but NOT with Emilia. Meanwhile the screentime for her is all about support for MC or BEING the prize for MC's success. I mean this episode - that was literally her role - the narrative awarded MC with a date as reward for his nice guy behavior and suffering. That is sexist as hell. I mean how is that different from SAO's Asuna? AKA one of the most offensively handled characters where it took two shows for her to become her own person? Actually one could even argue Asuna is better written so far since she had her flaws emotions and vulnerabilities in the first arc even if she was literally a trophy wife for most of narrative. Seriously though complaining about Emilia being lackluster right now is like complaining about Sakura during the fate route-it's not their time to shine. Complaining about Sakura is fair. As I outlined before - "shelving" a character onto repeat of same scenes before she becomes relevant IS bad writing, especially when its the lead heroine. Sakura is least liked heroine of FSN for a reason. Because by the route she actually becomes relevant, the viewers already like and connect with every single other character far more and find her shtick to be annoying(because it was repeated so many times). Why does it not happen to other two heroines - Rin and Saber? OH right because those two characters ARE staying complex and interesting even when its "not their time". I actually already made that comparison in how it can snowball into worse and worse writing already. A good writer can have character be interesting, complex and three dimensional even before the character becomes relevant to the plot. Emilia was somewhat two dimensional in the first arc with a hint of complexity but in this arc the narrative is literally playing out the exact same scene with her every episode ad nauseum, making one dimensional. That is NOT a good writing. No wonder so many people already find Rem and Rem/Subaru far superior/complex. IF it takes another 80 hours for Emilia to become relevant, by that time the viewers will already just fel like her screentime takes away from characters like Rem. Hell, that is the case with this arc already - her and Subaru's scenes are like "Ye we get it he will make an awkward joke and Emilia will get flustered at that, so can ww get back to the actual interesting thriller/mystery plot?". The problem is that the rest of the show is so good at executing that mystery atmosphere and lore presentation, so you still sit through those scenes paying complete attention hoping for SOMETHING out of ordinary to happen. But it does not. Subaru makes a neet joke, calls her a cute name, puck throws some sass, she gets flustered, she disappears, we go back to plot till she reappears again to repeat the same sequence. It feels like a brilliant show inter-cut with some very generic ln adaptation(even if interaction itself feels somewhat more realistic). Tp the point that I keep hoping for her to actually be Satella in disguise just so all those scenes make ANY sort of sense, even though FUCKIN PREACH IT. Couldn't have said it better  |
QWERTYFish25 said: VanillaBear360 said: that episode killed me SPOILER when subaru said to rem the blue girl (i still dont gt the names of the twins)that she needs to think of a future and dont look back i cried I CRIED SO FREAKING HARD just i had a bad childhod and i allways look back and im getting deprest about it like my prents broke up and etc. i wish subaru was real cuz i really wanna say thanks to him because he cured my derpresion. ARIGATO SUBARU-KUN!! That's awesome. And may your pain stay far, far away. thanks that was the best episode in the anime world i have ever seen |
| im so happy this is scheduled for 25 episodes. thank God. im not into anime which parades too much cuteness in their characters but this one managed to add interesting qualities and back stories. hoping for the third arc to be even better and also props to white fox, theyre doing a very good job so far and ive been playing the ed styx helix for quite some time now, im really hooked |
| why am i so well drawn into time travel stories? do i really have that many regrets? |
tinybunnvevo said: Jagd84 said: A symbol needs to have a meaning. Emilia having interactions Subaru is not a meaning in that sense. The point of interactions for him to get to know her more through whatever means. Whether it be small talk about cutting vegetables and trading banter with Ram, talking about magic and future goals while teasing Emilia, or even getting his butler outfit tailored by Rem while she jokes about his size. Nearly all of bonding moments have been small moments that Subaru has cherished and brought him closer to them. If normal pleasant and down to earth conversations are what you called symbolic than any interaction Subaru has had has been that. So maybe it's just poor choice of words on your part, but I think sad things have been forgotten or misconstrued downthe line. I think it does a disservice to twins and Emilia because Subaru has very specific way of interacting with people and like with Emilia he doesn't mind telling Rem and Ram their cute for instance. Yes ultimately Subaru see each person differently but there is nothing wrong with that. Who he desires as potential partners or just friends up to him as long as, but ne thing is that he's always respected them as people. Or at least tries too. I also disagree about agency, there was actually lack of that this show female would waiting on Subaru's every command instead taking initiatives on there own. When Rem directed to go after the dogs to free Subaru from the curse that was her own choice. When Emilia decided to give Subaru that lap pillow and lend an ear to his troubles that was her own choice. When Betty tried help him escape from Roswaal that was her own choice and Ram decided teach him how to read and write that was her own choice. Not one of them had to do any of those thing nor did Subaru sudden force those acts on him. It was done on their own free will based entirely on their distinct personalities and circumstances. You make good points! I think I shouldn't have used the word "pedastal waifu" because I really don't think Emilia is like that and I'm not trying to say she is. I'm just saying that RN she doesn't have as much depth as Rem because we don't know her backstory, so compared to Rem she's been kind of in the background. That being said I do think her character will be expounded on, which is what I was originally trying to say in my fist comment : -). I don't think Subaru has treated them disrespectfully, if anything I think he values Rem and Ram as his friends so. It's just that right now Subaru gushes on her without really knowing anything about her, where as him and Rem share a bigger bond because Rem bore her heart to him, where as we still don't know about Emilia. Subaru originally started out as the "otaku" type, and I do think that her r/s with Subaru still holds a little bit of that otaku-worship as the "ultimate waifu" right now. You can't really deny that right now we don't know anything about Emilia, but we do know things about Rem, and I think thats what people are responding to, because the 2nd arc has taken up a lot of the time compared to the first arc, making Emilia's character development take a backseat to Rem. that being said again, i'm not saying her character is past the point of no return, which is what I feel how you're representing my points. Compared to Rem, she hasn't had a lot of relevance to the plot other than a)comforting and b)acting as the avenue for him to meet Rem and Ram. They have built up their r/s but not compared to Rem. You're right that she didn't have to do any of this for Subaru, but in this arc she has def taken a backseat. That's just my opinion so it's ok to disagree (i think you will actually), but I still stand by this point. AGAIN I'm not saying she's worthless tho. calm yo titties bruh, im pretty sure theyre saving the best for last and that is emilia. although i understand where youre coming from. it is just subaru fell for emilia the first time they met just like a normal human would. we do have our biases and subaru's is emilia |
| why am i so well drawn into time travel stories? do i really have that many regrets? |
PointyThingy said: And then there is the big plot hole that everyone ignores in favor of gushing over Rem. The circumstances surrounding Subaru's second death in this arc is still not making any sense. There is clearly a murderer inside the mansion apart from Rem, if you were to accept the premise that Rem only targeted Subaru because he was being suspicious in 3rd loop. Now that the curse has been established as an originating externally, the issue still remains on who the mysterious perpetrator is, how he managed to sneak into the mansion without any of its magic-wielding occupants being aware of him, and why he targeted Subaru specifically. I sincerely hope this will not be another "Surprise!-It's-an-insider-all-along." because of unspecified past trauma/magic/alternate world/anime logic, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Nice definition of a plot hole: something the viewer/reader was not able to comprehend. I case you missed it, I wrote a really long post about it back in episode 7 discussion thread. |
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PointyThingy said: And yes, mozgow, I read your post. However, you have yet to offer solid evidence going by anime alone that Rem is the perpetrator of the second murder. All I see are speculations, which does not make sense when taken in its entirety. Are you absolutely sure that it has been established canonically that Rem is linked to the second murder? If you put it that way, then no, there is no solid proof that Rem did it. There are only clues (or circumstantial evidences) that it was Rem. 1. The sound of chains. Whoever killed Subaru made that sound. We know of only two people who could made that sound: Roswaal and Rem. 2. Attack that can rip off an arm. From the people we saw only Ram and Rem have such attack. But Ram's wind attack makes a very characteristic sound (I re-watched that scene at the end of loop 2 very closely and there was not such sound). 3. A reason to kill. There are only two possible reasons: Subaru being suspicious and a threat to the people in mansion (which wasn't the case in loop 2) or Rem's hatred towards Witch's scent. The later is the most plausible one. 4. Some rules about good murder-mystery story. It is expected that such story will show the culprit fairly early and give some clues or hints later. It's very unlikely that someone we haven't seen yet did it. |
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