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| While I am 100% a TsumuguxManaka shipper, I recognize the fact this probably won't happen :'-( But for others, do you guys think Tsumugu's feelings developed for Chisaki before or after time skip? I mean, couldn't the feelings have developed from or because of the situation at hand, since they were kind of the only two left out of the equation? Or do you guys think Tsumugu developed feelings for Chisaki before the time skip? But he's kind of a brick wall so it's hard to tell. -.- |
kokorochan- said: But for others, do you guys think Tsumugu's feelings developed for Chisaki before or after time skip? I have hope before time skip, if he started have feelings for her, because she started to live with him, and they become close after time skip I will be disappointed. |
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madara31 said: No it's not wrong to fight for her, but he's being an asshole about it, that's all I'm saying. Nobody's perfect, but it just seems like Kaname's been slowly deteriorating into a less and less likable person ever since he confessed. And this is just me, but although yes we all have our selfish greed and thoughts, I would never even think of letting an innocent person die, if I had the opportunity to save them, just to give my self a better CHANCE with someone. And it makes it even worse considering they were supposed to be friends. His friend was on the verge of death and he thought about leaving him. It's like ever since Kaname saw how well Tsumugu and Chisaki got along, he's treated Tsumugu like a stranger. Ok. Heres the thing. You keep contradicting yourself. You say that we all have our "selfish greed and thoughts" but you continue to call kaname an asshole for having these thoughts. Like the other guy said, it's not wrong to have certain thoughts, its wrong when you act on those thoughts. Kaname saved tsumugus life and didnt show any hesitation in doing so. For all we know, he simply lied when he said that he even considered letting him die because from judging his actions, he didnt hesitate one bit to save him. I think it's better to judge someone through their actions. Afterall actions speak louder than words. Also, whats your definition of innocent? Watching the love of his life slipping away into Tsumugus arms, do you really consider Kaname and Tsumugu allies? All is fair in love and war and as far as im concerned by the time of the ofunehiki, Tsumugu probably wasnt considered that much of a friend in Kanames eyes being that he was pretty much stealing his girl away from him. If anything Tsumugu was being a homewrecker not only to Kaname but to Hikari as well. His character brought a lot of conflict so to say he was innocent or a friend its kind of a stretch. They barely knew each other and for the most part I think Kaname and Hikari accepted Tsumugu into the group simply because they didnt want to look bad in the eyes of Chisaki and Manaka. They just didnt want any trouble. But anyways when Tsumugu nearly drowned that was an opportunity for all the problems and conflict to be solved but like I said earlier, Kaname was a good guy and saved Tsumugu anyways, at the expense of his relationship hopes with her. Kaname, in my opinion has been the most kindhearted and selfless person in the anime. He just woke up and found out that his biggest fear has become reality. He wants to protect chisaki and win her over. Theres nothing wrong with that. He isnt an asshole for being honest about his feelings. I actually think that dialogue between him and tsumugu improved kanames character and showed more depth. But anyways at this point I think the most logical pairings are: Tsumugu x Chisaki Hikari x Manaka Its been pretty obvious since before the ofunehiki that tsumugu and chisaki have feelings for each other. They were definitely confirmed by the end of the ofunehiki when chisaki cried out for tsumugu, jumped in the water after him, and held tsumugu in her arms while leaving kaname helpless on the side of the boat. Not only that but their chemistry and personalities fit each other perfectly. Scenes like when they were in the kitchen together really show their compatibility. And with Manaka waking up soon they'll finally be able to get together. Also, its pretty obvious now that Chisaki isnt in love with Hikari. Shes more or less reminiscent on her past feelings. We were shown this when she spotted miuna watching Hikari talk to Manaka. And afterall, Chisaki is an adult now, it wouldnt be right to date a child. Same with Tsumugu. It just makes the most since. Theyve spent 5 years together and tsumugu just confessed his feelings for her so manaka is no longer a factor. As for Hikari and Manaka, we all know where Hikari stands, so there are no questions asked when it comes to his feelings. As for Manaka I think its safe to say that she was going to confess to Hikari after the ofunehiki. She never actually turned down Hikari, she just didnt know how to handle the situation because she never actually thought about her feelings before. She didnt understand that the way she had been feeling towards Hikari was a feeling of love and affection. I think Tsumugus purpose was to help Manaka confirm her feelings for Hikari. If she had to choose, she'd choose Hikari everytime. He's number 1 in her heart and it's always been that way. She was always a crying wreck over Hikari and whenever her and Hikari werent getting along she was effected by it tremendously. Tsumugu just always happened to be around whenever her and Hikari were having issues. And once again, this shipping is most logical because they are actually the same age. |
IDontPlay247Feb 14, 2014 12:28 PM
| "A lesson without pain is meaningless. That's because no one can gain without sacrificing something. But by enduring that pain and overcoming it, he shall obtain a powerful, unmatched heart. A fullmetal heart." |
| Was surprised to see Kaname get emotional with Tsumugu... he was always so calm and collected. |
| i hope in next few episode we will get to see how Manaka Dies :) there simply are no other right solution to fix it all. |
| Fiat justitia ruat caelum. Hi there đź‘‹, my name is Oskars, I am a Full Stack Engineer, with experience of over 15 years. The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world. .fsociety .rA9 |
Sennengoroshi said: Is it just me or somebody else thins that someone is going to have a broken heart in this anime? I think that was established in episode 1, that most of the characters will end up with someone that wasn't their first love. LOL |
| Kaname loves Chisaki that still likes Hikari that likes Manaka that likes Tsumugu that I think so likes Chisaki are you seeing the same thing? it's a circlelike every fucking love story but ok also Sayu likes Kaname and Miuna likes Hikari so we have: Chisaki:2 VS Hikari: 2 Place your bets. anyways, good anime, very good actually Ç-Ç 'cause is not so obvious live the others I hope my SHIP's happens 'cause I still waiting, before 5 years. And I hope anyone read that ship. >.< |
Takuan_Soho said: kokorochan- said: But for others, do you guys think Tsumugu's feelings developed for Chisaki before or after time skip? I mean, couldn't the feelings have developed from or because of the situation at hand, since they were kind of the only two left out of the equation? Or do you guys think Tsumugu developed feelings for Chisaki before the time skip? Before. Similar to Manaka, what he liked about Manaka was that she proved to be an entrance into the world he always dreamed about, he was never in "love" with her. He had some good discussions with Chisaki when she was working out her feelings towards Hikari, and she was cute, earnest, and endearing that even a wall would have fallen a bit in love with her. A large part of this show is using different types of love to confuse people. Chisaki loves Hikari, but was never "in love" with him. Manaka admires Tsumugu, and may have confused it for love, but when push comes to shove she loved Hikari. Hikari is pretty straight forward, so his love was always pretty clear. Kaname's story has yet to be told. I think he is in love with Chisaki but for the wrong reasons (more because of the four, it was obvious that Hikari loved Manaka, so he would love Chisaki). I am not quite sure why people think Kaname was so cool in the first half, he went out of his way to manipulate Chisaki (with pretty good timing). All may be fair in love and war, but love really shouldn't come with a battle plan. I think that will be Kaname's big revelation, that he loves Chisaki, but was never truly in love with her. Remember that aside from Tsumugu who I think really matured and developed his own feelings, everyone else is stuck in 5 years ago (Chisaki is definitely stuck, despite her body maturing). Their mentalities havn't matured much since then so their "love" are still like that of a middle schooler, the puppy love kind that is indistinguishable from various forms of love that we come to realize as we grow older. Sayu x Kaname, Chisaki x Tsumugu are the most solid ships imo. I hope Miuna and Manaka will find the happiness they deserve. |
| This anime makes my heart hurt. |
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| what an episode .. so much fanservice for me :p chisaki with her uniform.. another chisaki and chisaki.. <3 btw miuna.. now she started to being side chara again? :' and that moment when chisaki said "ah.. I still loving hikari" sweetest scene ever! <3 |
IDontPlay247 said: I'm not contradicting myself. Having these thoughts and acting on these thoughts are two different things, and Kaname is doing both. He admitted to wanting to leave Tsumugu to die, and as long as he doesn't confirm that he was lying, he was telling the truth.Yes he saved him, but having such thoughts was bad enough, and Tsumugu thought so too. He was also quick to snap at Tsumugu for not wanting to publish their findings without hearing his reasons why, and he was acting very possessive of Chisaki and jealous when they weren't even in a relationship.madara31 said: No it's not wrong to fight for her, but he's being an asshole about it, that's all I'm saying. Nobody's perfect, but it just seems like Kaname's been slowly deteriorating into a less and less likable person ever since he confessed. And this is just me, but although yes we all have our selfish greed and thoughts, I would never even think of letting an innocent person die, if I had the opportunity to save them, just to give my self a better CHANCE with someone. And it makes it even worse considering they were supposed to be friends. His friend was on the verge of death and he thought about leaving him. It's like ever since Kaname saw how well Tsumugu and Chisaki got along, he's treated Tsumugu like a stranger. Ok. Heres the thing. You keep contradicting yourself. You say that we all have our "selfish greed and thoughts" but you continue to call kaname an asshole for having these thoughts. We can all have jealous thoughts, but we also usually keep them to ourselves. Kaname hasn't been able to do that, whenever it comes to Chisaki he acts like an asshole and just can't hide his thoughts. He's been acting very jealous and petty for a while, and whenever he thinks of Chisaki, that persona emerges again and again, he can't hide it. That's the difference. Again, I'm not saying he's a bad person, I'm saying he's acting like an asshole at the moment. He isn't an asshole for being honest about his feelings, the problem is how he goes about it. And to say that Tsumugu was innocent or a friend is definitely not a stretch. What exactly has he EVER done wrong? He wasn't "stealing" anything. As long as Tsumugu never made a single move on either Manaka or Chisaki, then Tsumugu never stole anyone. Hikari and Kaname were just jealous that the object of their affections had eyes for Tsumugu instead. Did Tsumugu mean for that to happen? no. The girls' feelings were their own and Tsumugu never manipulated any of them, he came along and stared helping people, and if those two girls started developing feelings for him because of that, then that's their problem, but Tsumugu never started helping them with that intention or motive in mind. He was accepted into their group because of his actions early on, and had vastly enough interactions with all of them to be considered a friend. |
Madara31Feb 15, 2014 3:07 AM
| Good episode. All these love rivals, someone needs to get together. |
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| Tsumugu x Chisaki x Kaname. First, it was kinda hinted that Chisaki cannot love Hikari like she always do. But then, at the end, Hikari is still her number one. Defaq Chisaki. God, she sure is fickle! Going for the Tsumugu x Chisaki train though. Miuna x Hikari won't happen though , i crie. |
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| Just have to say (concerning Kaname and Tsumugu) why is the thirst for Chisaki so REAL in this episode? |
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| Chisaki is going around in circles. Well, ignore her and seems grownups will be with grownups. |
| Chisaki should just forget about Hikari already and get together with Tsumugu. They have been living together five years and nothing happend... |
AlexGK said: The episode felt so awkward and forced, I dont know why they insist so badly on keeping weird ships afloat. Also, not much happened, really. I was so hoping the relationships conclusion for that show wont be in the last episode. Wont be the case, it might even pull some AnoHana ending :( At this point I'm gonna take it all as just being very realistic. Just because ppl want certain shippings doesn't mean they will easily fall in place. People have feelings and they aren't so easy to go away. nothing is ever so convenient. I just wanna see a grown Hikari now. |
| Welp, I have no idea who to root for anymore :< All these triangles man... |
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ftghb said: mayukachan said: Sennengoroshi said: Is it just me or somebody else thins that someone is going to have a broken heart in this anime? I think that was established in episode 1, that most of the characters will end up with someone that wasn't their first love. LOL except for hikari. Right now, he could basically have any bitch he wanted. True. But the problem is, he only loves Manaka... |
| Chisaki, oh dear, I love her personality |
| Chisaki knows Miuna like Hikari and she still like him herself. Hmm,Chisaki hnnggg http://imgur.com/5T1BtOh Kaname is such a jelly bitc- Got scared there when Chisaki got caught up in the current,I thought the Umigami was going to make her the new bride/sacrifice. Urgh,seriously thought Manaka was going to wake up at the end there after Chisaki realize that she still likes Hikari and they started zooming into Manaka's face.This anime is seriously playing with my feels ;___; |
| Started to get annoyed with this show, I thought Chisaki finally able to move forward with her life, but instead Hikari have to come and do shit things and make her fall over him all over again. That's it I'm sure no one will end up with anyone in the end. The characters in this anime never grew up even after a few years have passed. It's all about Hikari this Hikari that, I don't even know what's so great about him, |
amc9988 said: Started to get annoyed with this show, I thought Chisaki finally able to move forward with her life, but instead Hikari have to come and do shit things and make her fall over him all over again. That's it I'm sure no one will end up with anyone in the end. The characters in this anime never grew up even after a few years have passed. It's all about Hikari this Hikari that, I don't even know what's so great about him, Man I was so pissed when she said that she still likes Hikari. Was such a good episode but that line killed it for me. |
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Ragna92 said: Man I was so pissed when she said that she still likes Hikari. Was such a good episode but that line killed it for me. what if chisaki didn't mean that she likes hikari in a romantic way? she could mean that she still respects him a lot. cuz she's highly aware of the fact that she's 5 years older than hikari, that he likes manaka and that miuna now likes hikari. also, remember what she said to hikari 5 years back right before he left to go chase after manaka when kaname ratted hikari out to manaka. so she might've not meant that in a completely romantic way. then again, it's hard to control romantic feelings |
canisMayoris said: i don't know about you guys but that episode just showed what a creep Chisaki is. I mean the girl needs a Get THeFuckOverIt medication or some therapy..... LOL this post cracked me up. Some people... I swear this anime has like a "hated character of the week" or something. The first few episodes was Hikari. People didn't like Manaka so much either (heh, me) pre-time-skip. Tsumugu got some complaints for being too stoic. After time-skip was Miuna, now Chisaki and Kaname...well Kaname hasn't gotten that much hate, but yeah. Reading some of these comments is kind of entertaining though. If anything, it just goes to show that not everyone is perfect or always likable :/ KillerBee721 said: It's ok guys!!! There's still 7 episodes left!! Maybe it's building up to something better!! :D Let's all be positive like this person ^^ |
| As the episodes go on, this love dodecagon really ought to be clearing up... yet it's not, and my head hurts when I try to get all these damn shippings in order. The ofunehiki story that Chisaki was recalling was a nice explanation of what Uroko-sama said about gaining and losing something and that was a nice personification of the Sea God. I guess that it wasn't as easy as just taking Manaka back and she's all fine but whether she ultimately wakes up, I think Hikari isn't too off from finding out now. |
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Ragna92 said: amc9988 said: Started to get annoyed with this show, I thought Chisaki finally able to move forward with her life, but instead Hikari have to come and do shit things and make her fall over him all over again. That's it I'm sure no one will end up with anyone in the end. The characters in this anime never grew up even after a few years have passed. It's all about Hikari this Hikari that, I don't even know what's so great about him, Man I was so pissed when she said that she still likes Hikari. Was such a good episode but that line killed it for me. At first I was also really pissed, but someone pointed out that the point of this episode was that all of them were frozen in time. Even for Chisaki and Tsumugu time has stopped because all the other kids were missing and therefore Chisaki couldn´t move on and Tsumugu didn´t dare to make a move on her. Tsumugu even said: 'I really am grateful that you guys came back. Things were suspended the whole time. Now Chisaki and I can move forward'. I think this indicates that everything is still the same like 5 years ago. Everyone still likes the same person, but now that Hikari, Kaname and Manaka are back, time starts moving again . I think that's the reason why they showed that Chisaki still likes Hikari. I really hope and think that after this episode Chisaki starts to mature and can finally move on. Otherwise the theme of change wouldn´t make sense and the theme of this anime would be 'you can never move on' , which would be really disappointing. |
| Days need to be longer. 24 hours isn't enough ... |
KillerBee721 said: I have a feeling that while knowing Chisaki's predicament with Hikari and Kaname, I doubt Tsumugu will make any move on Chisaki. He never did, and I don't think he will now. He'd rather stay friendly with her like now. Him moving forward is by admitting his feelings but it wasn't that direct either. Mhh, that could be true, but I still have some hope left, that something will happen and that she will have to confront her feelings (even without a clear confession from him). I think it would be even better if she realises her feelings on her own. Still this means that in the first place there have to be some feelings for him. If not, then we really will get the 'you can never move on' ending :/! |
| Days need to be longer. 24 hours isn't enough ... |
| 5/5 At the heart can not control it even after all these years is unchanged! Plot that gives space to the feelings of Chisaki, probing them, and now we know how things are! Narration awfully slow and sweet. Not bad for a short flashback on the past Chisaki, now we learn why she likes it so much Hikari. The interesting question of the story told by the grandfather of Tsumugu. Now what happens to the protagonists? The links are all still to be decided. Who will win? I'm dying of curiosity! ^ _ ^ Very beautiful designs, as always, the PA Works works divinely. |
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| Man this anime really gives me the feels every week. But not enough Miuna this week... :( |
| I am falling, I am fading, I am drowning, help me to breathe. |
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