Kamisama no Inai Nichiyoubi Episode 12 Discussion

Teldara said:
Do you guys need to be spoon fed everything? Use your reasoning and theory crafting for a bit here.

"Why was Dee a ghost?"

Maybe, because whoever leaves that is not Alis can't leave with a physical body unless Alis accepts he is dead. Which, was in this ending. Think about it. Now you know Alis was the one who died. Only he could get out. Who knows? It's a mysterious world. Yet, Dee turned into a ghost because physically her body is trapped in the other world. She went with Alis. No one else tried going through except for Alis and Dee. We can't know for sure that it was only Dee that turned into a ghost.

"Why is Alis alive in the outside world with everyone else"

He isn't alive in the outside world. He's DEAD. He's already confirmed it. I'm guessing when he "died" gravekeepers weren't really out yet and he was buried by conventional means. So, Ai pulled him through when she pushed him through. He's undead. My theory, anyways. Before they knew he's dead, the world could have been tricking them that he's alive (why Scar couldn't tell). His "essence" was probably leaked through. This is a mysterious world that God left after all.

"What happened 14 years ago?"

That's been explained so many times. God decided to leave the human world because humans were being greedy, pathetic, and so on. He sent gravekeepers down. Granted some wishes. Didn't you even watch the series? It explained the days of the calendar. Monday-Saturday. Then Kamisama, God, left the world on Sunday.

"BUT WHERES THE REST"
In the books. This is an anime adaptation. There's 12 episodes. It's like you expect them to answer everything in 12 episodes. There's more mysteries unsolved. That's the point. The series isn't done. The anime adaption for books 1-3 (4?) is done.

waterflame said:
The whole show is obviously about wishes being granted by God before he abandoned the world - Hampnie was immortal, Ulla's mother wished that everyone around her child should die, Class 3-4 wished to live eternally.

Mich666 said:

yeah, but that doesn't answer the question why Scar didn't smell him as gravekeeper then.

LittleStar said:
Last episode, final scene and we find out that his name is Alice not Alis xD
http://i.imgur.com/smpVkv0.jpg

hokaru said:
This is not anime-only ending but they missed out how did Ai saved Alis.

Spoiler from novel:


Alis is dead and he'd been given a formal burial by a gravekeeper (as mentioned in anime too).
The reason why Dee is a ghost outside is because Class 3-4 and her bodies are all trapped inside the world, if any of them leave without breaking the wish/the delusional world, they will only leave with their spirit form, without physical body . Alis can leave with physical body seem like it's because his dead body is outside the delusional world, different from the rest of the class.



Gravekeepers can only smell the dead. As mentioned, Alis's body had been buried by a gravekeeper. Meaning, Alis who travels around the real world with physical body but that body isn't his real dead body, that's why Scar couldn't smell him as a dead. Probably him with a healthy physical body is because of the wish the Class 3-4 made.

yumekotan said:
...What? This series had some of the most plot holes I've ever seen.

wakka9ca said:


I think you need to think harder about the events. Not understanding the series does not mean it's a plot hole...

It's funny nowadays you have to literally spoon feed the audience. When there is something mysterious and left unexplained, it actually encourages me to look more into it. In other words, it sparks my interest and curiosity. However, for a lot of people, they just instead complain about not understanding it...

yumekotan said:

I really shouldn't have had to look at a novel summary to understand how Alis was magically "saved" in the end.

wakka9ca said:


The thing is that you don't need to. I will write a more detailed reply later. Too busy now.

yumekotan said:

There certainly seems to be a rather large amount of confusion in this thread for that to be the case...

But I didn't come to argue, just to vent a bit of frustration with a one line opinion. I'm glad that you were able to find the series interesting and worth contemplating over. :) I simply was not.

NerdTalent said:

- Does she need to be a fucking loli pandering "deep" character? Ai's character is the reason this show failed to move me towards the end, she was annoying, her voice was annoying, the character animation of her is horrid and she's probably a candidate for worst protagonist of the season behind that one bitch from watamote.

Now, I'm still giving this anime a 7/10 because I really did enjoy it, I found it refreshing and somewhat uplifting, the first three episodes alone carry this anime and I feel like It could have been so much better with a different protagonist, anyhow I don't think I'm the only one with that opinion.

wakka9ca said:


Well the shortest answer I can give you is that like some people already mentioned, Ai made a wish for Alis to come alive. Remember what Dee said about the wish? She said that this would have been avoided if the class actually wished that Alis would come back to life instead of wishing to eternally relive their school year in a loop.

Ironically, because it seems that without God, the students became the gods of the artificial world. What is more interesting is how that their behavior actually affected the real world (i.e. Dee was able to escape that world in a spirit form and Alis was able to get a real body outside). In a sense, Dee could leave because she didn't remember the truth and eventually mistakenly thought that she was the one who died. The classmates are essentially prisoners of their own cage. The ironic part is that Alis, who is not part of the ones who made the wish, is spared from that, even though he is the reason they made that wish in the first place.

In fact, the original Alis died but the current Alis is not dead. That is why Scar couldn't detect him. What sustained him was the wish of the class. However, Ai eventually made a permanent wish for Alis to remain. In other words, Alis was never brought back from the dead. It's simply a wish for the current Alis to keep living. Ai's wish allowed this to happen. If you think this is confusing, you can consider that the artificial world is an alternate universe in which Alis actually didn't die. Ai was able to bring back Alis to the real world after that world collapsed. The artificial world kinda worked in reverse and was able to grant Ai's wish as though God hasn't abandoned the world (since the masters of the world are actually the students and now Ai as the last observer of that world)

What could be off-putting (some people call it contrived but I think otherwise) with this series is that it does exactly the REVERSE of what common logic would dictate. One would normally think that if Alis was the victim he would not be able to leave the world which makes him alive. However, this anime does exactly the opposite of that common sense. I do understand where people get upset at this series.

Overall, this was one of the most original series that was out during the past year. Amazing ending song as well. 8/10. Could have been 9/10 if they didn't omit some stuff from the novels that made things a bit more explicit. However, all the clues and details were present in the anime.