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Darklight0303 said: AoiMizu said: Well, next episode is last aired episode of Suisei no Gargantia on TV, but MAL just update this!! xD....Suisei no Gargantia Special Unaired episode 14, released with the first volume BD/DVD. It's an AU. As in no relation to the main series I know, just..man I can't let this series go end so fast like this. It should be 20ep at least, since there are some flaw here and there in this series |
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| the scene where they were just dropping those humans into the ocean gave me goosebumps. it was also quite creepy how kugel was... rotting when his helmet opened and his head just fell off o_o i guess most of us already expected him to be dead, but it's still a bit different to be sure then. i also loved it when they're shooting at the sky and the sky opened up (happened a couple of times): i realized a while ago that this show's getting darker and darker, literally. of course it makes sense regarding the atmosphere. and it may be cheesy, but i hope we'll see a sunny and colorful gargantia in the last episode (shh, i'm in love with this colorful setting). a few episodes ago i already accepted the fact that this won't become an epic mecha anime and i'm sure the last episode won't make a big difference, but i'm okay with it /shrugging edit: Darklight0303 said: stupid question alert, but how do you know that this won't have anything to do with the main series? am i overlooking something? /feeling stupidAoiMizu said: It's an AU. As in no relation to the main seriesWell, next episode is last aired episode of Suisei no Gargantia on TV, but MAL just update this!! xD....Suisei no Gargantia Special Unaired episode 14, released with the first volume BD/DVD. |
HaibaraJun 25, 2013 8:04 AM
MasterMeNL said: Best episode so far, but why do the good parts come so late? Q_Q Feels like the first ~9 episodes (before he found out the truth) were just introduction... GodlyKyon said: Next episode will make or break this series This. (Or second season which might just be the case.) I don't see how... The sales are heading towards to the lower direction, and the story seems kind of conclusive, hell, even the ultimate-end-trump-card-savior plot device is going to be used, unless they pull the entire galactic alliance nto this thing Any how, I like how Chamber made the right decision |
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hiabara said: Darklight0303 said: stupid question alert, but how do you know that this won't have anything to do with the main series? am i overlooking something? /feeling stupidAoiMizu said: It's an AU. As in no relation to the main seriesWell, next episode is last aired episode of Suisei no Gargantia on TV, but MAL just update this!! xD....Suisei no Gargantia Special Unaired episode 14, released with the first volume BD/DVD. AU = alternate universe = different timeline = NOTHING. TO. DO. WITH. MAIN. SERIES. |
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Fai said: i know what au means. but on the mal site it just says that it's a sequel and that it's the unaired episode 14, so i'm wondering how people know it'll be an au instead of a typical ova.hiabara said: Darklight0303 said: stupid question alert, but how do you know that this won't have anything to do with the main series? am i overlooking something? /feeling stupidAoiMizu said: It's an AU. As in no relation to the main seriesWell, next episode is last aired episode of Suisei no Gargantia on TV, but MAL just update this!! xD....Suisei no Gargantia Special Unaired episode 14, released with the first volume BD/DVD. AU = alternate universe = different timeline = NOTHING. TO. DO. WITH. MAIN. SERIES. |
ThangLong said: hpulley said: Just bad pacing, they wasted some time in the middle episodes after a good start and are now rushing to a predictable end. I don't know why this one has left me with a bad taste. The first few episodes had me SO pumped! I was so excited for this anime and the way to the ending is just leaving me rather underwhelmed. It should have 24 episodes with a spread out middle like this. Although I don't mind the slice of life aspect of it, I agree that the pacing is off. They should have either reduced the slice of life moments, or increase the series' length. Usually, 13 episode-run is better suited for an eventful or action-packed series. One thing I just noticed is that this anime is very similar to Man Of Steel movie not only on the directing position (both Chris Nolan and Gen Urobuchi are cooperating with another director on the projects, but not hand-on directing them) but also on the overall arching plot. In each of these cases, we see agents from a vastly superior civilization trying to impose their way of life on Earth only to be faced with Earth's heroes from their own kin. AoiMizu said: Remember this??? It has always been there, in front of our eyes the whole time. :)  LOL, thats basically what I said early on, the pacing of both series are also off, the slice of life in this is too much, though it was mportant to Ledo's development, it still took up too much time |
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GodlyKyon said: ThangLong said: hpulley said: Just bad pacing, they wasted some time in the middle episodes after a good start and are now rushing to a predictable end. I don't know why this one has left me with a bad taste. The first few episodes had me SO pumped! I was so excited for this anime and the way to the ending is just leaving me rather underwhelmed. It should have 24 episodes with a spread out middle like this. Although I don't mind the slice of life aspect of it, I agree that the pacing is off. They should have either reduced the slice of life moments, or increase the series' length. Usually, 13 episode-run is better suited for an eventful or action-packed series. One thing I just noticed is that this anime is very similar to Man Of Steel movie not only on the directing position (both Chris Nolan and Gen Urobuchi are cooperating with another director on the projects, but not hand-on directing them) but also on the overall arching plot. In each of these cases, we see agents from a vastly superior civilization trying to impose their way of life on Earth only to be faced with Earth's heroes from their own kin. AoiMizu said: Remember this??? It has always been there, in front of our eyes the whole time. :) LOL, thats basically what I said early on, the pacing of both series are also off, the slice of life in this is too much, though it was mportant to Ledo's development, it still took up too much time You DO realize that the said "character development" IS the main focus of ANY good story EVER created. "plot" is just a sugarcoating tool to feed us that development. So you are basically saying that too much MAIN elements of narrative? |
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| You were right last week, they really went the way where lieutenant was dead in cockpit. Nothing surprising thought. On the other hand cult actions were pretty deranged with that mass sacrifice. Now I just want to know how Stryker systems gained self-consciousness - Hideauze influence? (because you know, this mischievous AI ruling humans is rather over the top otherwise) And that battle between Chamber and Stryker was awesome! I just hope they would give us some satifying end not only for Gargantia but for Hideuze too. Mutual beneficial coexistence perhaps? |
| Wth.... well that was a good plot twist I guess. xD I loved seeing all the characters banding together at the end to help, though I was expecting to see Pinion suddenly get disintegrated by the Stryker for trying to hit it. The ending looks to be good. Can't wait for the next episode! |
Fai said: GodlyKyon said: ThangLong said: hpulley said: Just bad pacing, they wasted some time in the middle episodes after a good start and are now rushing to a predictable end. I don't know why this one has left me with a bad taste. The first few episodes had me SO pumped! I was so excited for this anime and the way to the ending is just leaving me rather underwhelmed. It should have 24 episodes with a spread out middle like this. Although I don't mind the slice of life aspect of it, I agree that the pacing is off. They should have either reduced the slice of life moments, or increase the series' length. Usually, 13 episode-run is better suited for an eventful or action-packed series. One thing I just noticed is that this anime is very similar to Man Of Steel movie not only on the directing position (both Chris Nolan and Gen Urobuchi are cooperating with another director on the projects, but not hand-on directing them) but also on the overall arching plot. In each of these cases, we see agents from a vastly superior civilization trying to impose their way of life on Earth only to be faced with Earth's heroes from their own kin. AoiMizu said: Remember this??? It has always been there, in front of our eyes the whole time. :) LOL, thats basically what I said early on, the pacing of both series are also off, the slice of life in this is too much, though it was mportant to Ledo's development, it still took up too much time You DO realize that the said "character development" IS the main focus of ANY good story EVER created. "plot" is just a sugarcoating tool to feed us that development. So you are basically saying that too much MAIN elements of narrative? No, do not put words in my mouth. I have no idea whether what you were asserting is true, but the pacing of the slice of life episodes took up too much time to have this ending to be satisfying is what I mean. |
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Fai said: hiabara said: Darklight0303 said: stupid question alert, but how do you know that this won't have anything to do with the main series? am i overlooking something? /feeling stupidAoiMizu said: It's an AU. As in no relation to the main seriesWell, next episode is last aired episode of Suisei no Gargantia on TV, but MAL just update this!! xD....Suisei no Gargantia Special Unaired episode 14, released with the first volume BD/DVD. AU = alternate universe = different timeline = NOTHING. TO. DO. WITH. MAIN. SERIES. From where are you pulling that AU from? OVA 1 was announced long time ago to feature younger Ridget and some nurse voiced by Yui Horie. |
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| it might have been more interesting if Kugel wasn't dead and that Ledo was actually going against his superior officer. Anyhow, Ledo is a great character, even though his developments was kind of drawn out |
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Fai said: Takuan_Soho said: Fai said: JoaoZangetsu said: You don't make sense, All the episodes so far have developments, this one was most action (which is obvious that would be action). Or do you call development the Visual Key type of development ? (characters with sad past just to be enjoyable) Don't you know - in MAL, development = LASER PEW PEW BOOM, while character development and growth = filler :P Actual a laser would have been more subtle than this show has been. At least make the cult somewhat rational, give Ledo an actual choice to show his "development". The Alliance at least had the Hideauze threat to justify its actions, this cult had nothing. Ledo's choice once again was too simple, hell even Hitler could have made the right choice here. Saying that Ledo "developed" is like saying that a kid who picked an ice cream sundae over sand is "wise". You are going off on assumption that Alliance's crusade is more rational and justified, except we don't know that. Every example provided seems to point to the same "Human be superior" utalitarian kind of thinking being the cause of it. Cult is as rational as Alliance was. For Ledo its nothing different than the world he lived in (throwing humans into sea, throwing them into space, etc) Mind you Ledo MADE his choice when he still thought its Kugel himself. And this choice would be impossible without the character growth and development he went through in an entire show. By such a simple trail of thought, we can already see that there WAS character growth, simply because Ledo from the start of the show, would NOT make those decisions. Calling this show simple just proves it went over your head. I would definitely think people are kind of losing perspective and enjoyment of the anime if they don't stick with the original premise of the alien adapting to a foreign world and learning their own identity and individuality. Things like him earning his first job, spending his first wages, and eating can't really be considered filler or irrelevant in that context. And his decision this episode to go against the Colonel definitely wouldn't have happened if he was the same character from episode 1. If you're gonna try to fit this show as an action show, than just watch episode 1. That's the most action you'll get. xD I found that somewhat misleading but adapted and realize this show is more like a Castaway type of show, focusing on the main character being stranded and develop as a character. |
| The thing is, I love slice of life anime! I really do. I love anime where nothing of consequence ever happens. I can enjoy every episode of an anime like that if it is fun and entertaining. But if it is like that for a few episodes and then gets serious for a few and then rushes through the end then, no matter what anime it is, I'm going to say the pacing is wrong. I am just saying that the pacing was off, was all over the place, wasn't consistent, it spent time doing nothing, not developing anything, in an anime that couldn't afford it. In 26 episodes, sure go ahead but even then, be consistent! I know, they wanted to show a whole episode for the commander's death to show the opposites: the old GA's death chamber sending Ledo's brother off and Striker's cult's hooded old and sick being dumped into the sea. Yeah, WE GET IT. Gargantia good; Galactic Alliance bad, Bad, BAD. You don't have to bury me with sand handful by handful for a whole episode to convince me that it's a nice ceremony. And then to basically ignore that character for the rest of the show until the last episode when she gets to use the key in the Chekhov's gun sticking out of the deck... Bebel has just been another plot device to show that Gargantia is good and Alliance is bad. Melty was just busty eye candy until she had to glide around the world to be saved at the last second by Amy. Just a shame as I saw so much potential and feel it was wasted. That's all. I'm glad most of the rest of you are enjoying it. I will watch the last episode of course and I suspect I will enjoy it but the show likely won't be the memorable for me unless we get a really good unexpected twist which the script writer of the last episode is known for... we'll see if he can pull it off. |
yngtadpole said: I found that somewhat misleading but adapted and realize this show is more like a Castaway type of show, focusing on the main character being stranded and develop as a character. This is VERY accurate. This is basically if characters of Robinson Crusoe (or Odyssey due to the whole "stranded soldier" theme and how his character changes, making him see his nation's true faces as he returns) were stuck in Hyperion novels. hpulley said: The thing is, I love slice of life anime! I really do. I love anime where nothing of consequence ever happens. I can enjoy every episode of an anime like that if it is fun and entertaining. But if it is like that for a few episodes and then gets serious for a few and then rushes through the end then, no matter what anime it is, I'm going to say the pacing is wrong. Apparantly you think that "slice of life" can't be serious? lol. hpulley said: I am just saying that the pacing was off, was all over the place, wasn't consistent, it spent time doing nothing, not developing anything, in an anime that couldn't afford it. In 26 episodes, sure go ahead but even then, be consistent! If by nothing you mean developing characters and building up the setting - then sure, NOTHING, totally nothing. This has been character-driven series first and foremost. Pew pews and twist are in background - Ledo's reactions and experiences in a strange alien land - in foreground. hpulley said: I know, they wanted to show a whole episode for the commander's death to show the opposites: the old GA's death chamber sending Ledo's brother off and Striker's cult's hooded old and sick being dumped into the sea. Yeah, WE GET IT. Gargantia good; Galactic Alliance bad, Bad, BAD. You don't have to bury me with sand handful by handful for a whole episode to convince me that it's a nice ceremony. Except that Commander's death's episode also: 1) developed Pinion's character and showcased his motivations. 2) established political backdrop important for next episodes. 3) gave character growth to Ridgett. 4) gave us a detailed and a well thought out lore backdrop on how the funerals are handled. Not even one big was unneeded and had enough symbolism to make sense to their civilization. hpulley said: And then to basically ignore that character for the rest of the show until the last episode when she gets to use the key in the Chekhov's gun sticking out of the deck... Except her current position would have no motivation, nor context, without the said character development. hpulley said: Bebel has just been another plot device to show that Gargantia is good and Alliance is bad. Really? So he was NOT: 1) the center-piece of Ledo's character growth. 2) the showcase of Amy's character motivations. 3) the exposition of Gargantia's culture and ethics. 4) the establishment of Bebel's own character. 5) the exposition of the show's wider lore. ? Answer is: yes he was. hpulley said: Melty was just busty eye candy until she had to glide around the world to be saved at the last second by Amy. Except that: 1) her determination would be context-less if we did not have her relationship and friendship with Amy established. 2) her trust in Ledo and their interactions would also have no context if we did not have them interact before. 3) we would not be worried about her MAKING it to Gargantia, if we did not grow to like her during the period when her character was established. hpulley said: Just a shame as I saw so much potential and feel it was wasted. That's all. No you most likely expected another Gundam. Sadly for you wat Urobutcher does the most well is breaking the genre norm(like how in Madoka hpulley said: but the show likely won't be the memorable for me unless we get a really good unexpected twist which the script writer of the last episode is known for... we'll see if he can pull it off. The "script writer" is known for far more than just "twists" - he has very strong focus at character development, exploration of dangers of utilitarian societies, as well as nature of idealism. Those hyping Butcher for Madoka conveniently forget that madoka was only 15% twists and 75% character development and exposition, via character interaction. And after all, "story", "twists" and all that fluff are nothing more than a backdrop of devices used to develop characters and tell their journey - as Character is the centerpiece of any and every narrative in existence. |
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bobbyf77 said: I agree the rouge AI twist is somewhat off. It raises but does not answer the question if the Alliance is also being run by intelligent machines. Certainly the austere warrior life style (Spartan like) of the Galactic Alliance is somewhat predictable because the severe environment they are faced with, but with the references to wandering tribes in the first episode, rebellions or desertion may have been not so uncommon from the Galactic Alliance. So one would assume there were protocols for dealing with encountering other humans and from Ledo’s reaction – this was not one of them. Taking a wild guess at the unknown weapon - it might be a kind of EMP weapon – the downside being that much of what is on the fleet is also vulnerable. The possibility here is that Chamber is also damaged in the process. I definitely look forward to next week episode. Really? the VERY strict, robotic, logical utilitarian rationality-based machine-like nature of Alliance did not tip you off? as for Ledo's reaction - we can't judge ANYTHING about ALliance from current Ledo. Stuff he might have been okay with before the show now can cause wildly different reactions. |
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Mr_alucard1985 said: Was THAT the mecha battle? it was more like a few laser beams, colorpencil lines to be accurate, crossing the sky. and where is the story developement. yeah apocalypse now nutjob empty tincan, we knew that. what about the alliance, the fate of the hideauze on earth ..... we' ll have a very fastpaced compressed likely dissapointing final episode. Dont forget your talking about the guy who also made madoka magica and we all know how well that ended. |
| LOL I love how a ton of people are chiming in now on saying they knew Kugel was dead or the AI had taken over when only a few people last time had talked or agreed over that theory. |
lanfire said: LOL I love how a ton of people are chiming in now on saying they knew Kugel was dead or the AI had taken over when only a few people last time had talked or agreed over that theory. Ahahaha!! That so true! xD |
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lanfire said: LOL I love how a ton of people are chiming in now on saying they knew Kugel was dead or the AI had taken over when only a few people last time had talked or agreed over that theory. Welcome to MAL. Last week we had two maybe three people supporting that theory and quite a few "LULZ this is outrageous they won't do that" people. MAL posters are an experts at calling shit after it happens. |
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Fai said: lanfire said: LOL I love how a ton of people are chiming in now on saying they knew Kugel was dead or the AI had taken over when only a few people last time had talked or agreed over that theory. Welcome to MAL. Last week we had two maybe three people supporting that theory and quite a few "LULZ this is outrageous they won't do that" people. MAL posters are an experts at calling shit after it happens. I think it is absolutely amazing, that there were people, who could predict this outcome, those turn of events. |
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Fai said: lanfire said: LOL I love how a ton of people are chiming in now on saying they knew Kugel was dead or the AI had taken over when only a few people last time had talked or agreed over that theory. Welcome to MAL. Last week we had two maybe three people supporting that theory and quite a few "LULZ this is outrageous they won't do that" people. MAL posters are an experts at calling shit after it happens. All according to keikaku. |
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| That was an intense battle between Chamber and Striker. Why does it feel to me that Striker is pretending as the Commander Kugel?? Anyways, this anime really broke my expectations! It went above and beyond. Cant wait to see the end. |
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Fiji said: That was an intense battle between Chamber and Striker. Why does it feel to me that Striker is pretending as the Commander Kugel?? Anyways, this anime really broke my expectations! It went above and beyond. Cant wait to see the end. Because he was? Kugel's head even phucking fell off! The show kind of disappointed me... The pacing with the slice of life episodes took up way too much of the time, I would go as far as to say that the barbecue episode was almost unnecessary, Amy's friends kind of just became accessories to her, who even herself is just a one dimensional plot device(don't get me wrong, she's a very nice girl who if I were Ledo, I would be glad to have met) I don't even feel like I am anticipating the finale, we will see how it is I guess. |
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GodlyKyon said: The show kind of disappointed me... The pacing with the slice of life episodes took up way too much of the time, I would go as far as to say that the barbecue episode was almost unnecessary, Amy's friends kind of just became accessories to her, who even herself is just a one dimensional plot device(don't get me wrong, she's a very nice girl who if I were Ledo, I would be glad to have met) Calling character growth "unnecessary" xD You DO realize that without those episodes and without Ledo interacting, reacting and developing as a person, the current decisions he makes would NOT be made, right? The very basis of any narrative is: 1) you establish the character baseline. 2) you change or progress the said character in a certain direction, while expanding upon who he is. 3) you give him a dilemma that requires his character development to work. 4) you give a conclusion re-establishing who the character is NOW. That's EVERY single good quality story ever. |
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Fai said: GodlyKyon said: The show kind of disappointed me... The pacing with the slice of life episodes took up way too much of the time, I would go as far as to say that the barbecue episode was almost unnecessary, Amy's friends kind of just became accessories to her, who even herself is just a one dimensional plot device(don't get me wrong, she's a very nice girl who if I were Ledo, I would be glad to have met) Calling character growth "unnecessary" xD You DO realize that without those episodes and without Ledo interacting, reacting and developing as a person, the current decisions he makes would NOT be made, right? The very basis of any narrative is: 1) you establish the character baseline. 2) you change or progress the said character in a certain direction, while expanding upon who he is. 3) you give him a dilemma that requires his character development to work. 4) you give a conclusion re-establishing who the character is NOW. That's EVERY single good quality story ever. The length is unnecessary, which lead to the seemingly rushed conclusion we are getting right now. I already told you, I was complaining about the amount of time it took up, a WHOLE episode with barbeque and fanservice, in reality, the barbeque and belly dancing episode could have been combined. |
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GodlyKyon said: Fai said: GodlyKyon said: The show kind of disappointed me... The pacing with the slice of life episodes took up way too much of the time, I would go as far as to say that the barbecue episode was almost unnecessary, Amy's friends kind of just became accessories to her, who even herself is just a one dimensional plot device(don't get me wrong, she's a very nice girl who if I were Ledo, I would be glad to have met) Calling character growth "unnecessary" xD You DO realize that without those episodes and without Ledo interacting, reacting and developing as a person, the current decisions he makes would NOT be made, right? The very basis of any narrative is: 1) you establish the character baseline. 2) you change or progress the said character in a certain direction, while expanding upon who he is. 3) you give him a dilemma that requires his character development to work. 4) you give a conclusion re-establishing who the character is NOW. That's EVERY single good quality story ever. The length is unnecessary, which lead to the seemingly rushed conclusion we are getting right now. I already told you, I was complaining about the amount of time it took up, a WHOLE episode with barbeque and fanservice, in reality, the barbeque and belly dancing episode could have been combined. The entire anime is about Ledo growth, this is confirmed by interviews. |
Takuan_Soho said: Fai said: lanfire said: LOL I love how a ton of people are chiming in now on saying they knew Kugel was dead or the AI had taken over when only a few people last time had talked or agreed over that theory. Welcome to MAL. Last week we had two maybe three people supporting that theory and quite a few "LULZ this is outrageous they won't do that" people. MAL posters are an experts at calling shit after it happens. In last weeks thread 12 people in the first 4 pages of the thread supported the "Kugel" was dead argument. Here are there names in order: Hpulley Flamingo-chan Archie 74 Max Crazy7 Niaxto Entravity Fai Marzan Cuntolgoics Johj Skudoops TakuanSoho So that included you Fai, and me. Hpulley started the ball rolling on the 5th or 6th post. (Should add only 2-3 people specifically supported the kugel is alive argument on those same 4 pages). The rest of the posts did not touch upon the topic. Kudos for the effort, Taku. Too bad your intended audience doesn't seem to be listening. |
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| Ok in this episode Ledo, Pinion, Rackage so badass xD Lol Rackage "Actually acting like a man for once?" Well finally Pinion looks cool Poor Kugel... At least he actually die as a hero not a villain... Next ep Gargantia will join the war? Last ep nooooo :( |
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Ray_Light said: Ok in this episode Ledo, Pinion, Rackage so badass xD Lol Rackage "Actually acting like a man for once?" Well finally Pinion looks cool Poor Kugel... At least he actually die as a hero not a villain... Next ep Gargantia will join the war? Last ep nooooo :( He did. In first episode! |
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Zulichka said: I hoped he wasn't dead because its such a boring and overused plot, AI gone wild blah blah blah Such a disappointment. Actually I think its Chamber who is an outlet and Striker's philosophy and behavior is standard in Alliance - after all the AIs WERE made to support and "take care" of humanity during long-distance space travel. Cue evil AI overlords. Chamber however seems to have formed a different outlook - he constantly has challenged Ledo through the show, making up excuses in order to allow Ledo to make his own decisions and observing his reactions (its especially evident this episode, where his silence when Ledo is making his monologue is almost parental). So yeah, it can be that Chamber is the character who grew and developed too, yet we did not pay attention because we thought he is NOT a character. The way I see it Chamber through his stay on gargantia became increasingly pro-free-will - he started by questioning Ledo's decisions and ended up encouraging them by the end. SO most likely unlike other AIs, chamber took a stance that humanity no longer needs to be "looked after" that it deserves free will on earth. JoaoZangetsu said: GodlyKyon said: Fai said: GodlyKyon said: The show kind of disappointed me... The pacing with the slice of life episodes took up way too much of the time, I would go as far as to say that the barbecue episode was almost unnecessary, Amy's friends kind of just became accessories to her, who even herself is just a one dimensional plot device(don't get me wrong, she's a very nice girl who if I were Ledo, I would be glad to have met) Calling character growth "unnecessary" xD You DO realize that without those episodes and without Ledo interacting, reacting and developing as a person, the current decisions he makes would NOT be made, right? The very basis of any narrative is: 1) you establish the character baseline. 2) you change or progress the said character in a certain direction, while expanding upon who he is. 3) you give him a dilemma that requires his character development to work. 4) you give a conclusion re-establishing who the character is NOW. That's EVERY single good quality story ever. The length is unnecessary, which lead to the seemingly rushed conclusion we are getting right now. I already told you, I was complaining about the amount of time it took up, a WHOLE episode with barbeque and fanservice, in reality, the barbeque and belly dancing episode could have been combined. The entire anime is about Ledo growth, this is confirmed by interviews. ^ this. Gargantia is pretty much modern take on Robinson Crusoe(especially the parallels between CHamber and Crusoe's imaginary friend Wilson) and similar stories - a man cast away in a strange society, adapting to it and developing as he tries to understand their customs. zombiepika said: THAT WAS AMAZING, truly this could be one of my favorites depending on how it ends. this entire time Striker was the one pulling the strings...really makes me think about chamber. that was deep.... also that mecha fight was epic, and Pinion helping out made me cheer for Ledo even more. 10/10 This is brilliant build up in narrative IMO. I love the whole "Self-aware evil AIs" thing. Ever since the start this show reminded me of Hyperion novels, so this is a big plus, especially considering HOW WELL everything we know about alliance fits with AI reign ideas. |
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| My own thought plus other people theory about what happen to late Kugel. Well, I'm say this cause, late Kugel's corpse got beard so, I assume he alive when he received Ledo SOS signal but died from disease(this one didn't get explaination fully from Striker, leave me in doubt). Before he died, he leave all plan for re-education human race on earth to be like Galactic Alliance soldier to Striker . But, consider what other people say how he act in ep1, kicking out this theory aside by making other theory that Striker runs out of control. The one who(might be) kill Kugel. Maybe he also like Ledo, get pulled up by people who going salvage and blend in earth society and Striker suggest him to re-education these people as human race is Galactic Alliance supporter and must fight along with them. Then, Kugel might disagree with Striker and Striker with more self-consciousness plus she following the GA laws and rules thinks Kugel is not worthy soldier anymore to GA and kill him. Then she made up everything in and out for that cult fleet. Or take account what other people say that Kugel corpse is decomposition in unnatural way. Where Kugel, making some thing that similar to human body(like how Roy Mustang make in FMA to fake Rose death) as decoy and run away from Striker as he know that Machine Caliber try to kill him(seriously, no logic here. Why? Think it by yourself) I really can't say Kugel is died when he is in cool-sleep here as we can see the corpse got beard. But I'll say it, so, this one theory got a lot of flaws inside(maybe). Here, Kugel die in cold sleep when they travel across the space in Lamorak's Telemothy Swing and Striker that off functional on that time fail to detect his death when she wake up(reboot) again. Kugel is officially death and leave Striker alone without human pilot inside to think what is her next query. As other people say how Chamber influence by Ledo's think and decisions, Striker is influence by GA laws and rules only and his death pilot in time he fight in war. So, what I'm saying it here is. She use to refer to GA laws and rules to shape(blend) in earth society in wrong way by implan in their head that she is God(controlling people by using their fears). As she pick up the signal Chamber send away, she might think Ledo will(stay) follow GA, and this is where she fake up Kugel death plus made up story for Ledo as he is Ledo's leader back in GA. Feel free to read and think or just ignore me.. |
AoiMizuJun 27, 2013 9:07 AM
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| Wow all hell just broke loose in the second half. Now that was exciting to watch. And damnnn so the colonel really was dead. This is gonna be a great last ep. |
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