| This is something I intended to question awhile back when I watched it. It's jumped to the front of my mind after just adding an all-CG, all-Korean, non-manga adaptation movie to my list. For those unaware, Yoshihiro Tatsumi is something akin to Japan's far less known, nihilist Tezuka (in fact, I recall reading that Tezuka was inspired by his work when he switched over to more adult-themed stories). Here's his MAL page: http://myanimelist.net/people/3606/Yoshihiro_Tatsumi An animated movie adaptation came out in 2011. It included numerous of his shorter works as well as adapting his manga about his own life, growing up as a manga artist; intertwining his short works with his progression through life. If you were to have a looksee at the above video, you'd get what I mean when I say you won't see a more faithful manga adaptation: it's literally the artwork from the manga panels given motion and colour. Rather than redrawing for the screen, the art simply had motion injected into it. The story content itself was given the same level of attention. It isn't on MAL either because no-one knows about it or, more likely, because it's a Singaporean animation. But here's the thing: if Korean CG films such as 'King of Pigs', with NO links to Japan whatsoever, are being listed on an anime site, then why isn't a faithful 2D animated adaptation of a well-respected mangaka? I know the Japanese like to subcontract their work on the cheap to Koreans, going on end-of-ep credits, but the point remains: they still aren't Japanese animation and, if that JP-only classification is the reasoning behind Tatsumi not being listed, then it's absurd. Tatsumi's works are so loved by those aware of them and so influential that they were adapted into an animation, so it strikes me as wrong for it not to be on here... |
| That's actually a very good point. Similar to this, I often wonder why MAL allows manwha and manhua into the database, seeing as they aren't Japanese, but rather Korean and Chinese respectively. |
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| Well for some reason this site allows Chinese and Korean animation and manhwa or manhua as long as it's meant for viewing by Chinese, Korean, or Japanese audience. It's written in the rules. I'm guessing it's because the definition of anime is pretty vague and since Japan outsources some animation to Korea, then they had to change the rules because it's not Japanese made anymore but is made for a Japanese audience. And then Korean manhwa got popular, Chinese manhua too I'm guessing. I personally don't fully know the reasoning to this site's rules. As long as they keep out avatar and other cartoons and comics then I'm fine. I would post this in the manga or anime db board if I were you. |
     Short of the day: Monotonous Purgatory(MAL) ✰Public Domain Club | One Piece Club✰ |
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| Luna moved the thread for me, so it seems there's no need to remake/repost elsewhere. I don't ask these types of questions usually and I figured it'd be easy enough for someone in the know to move/merge if I'd posted it wrongly. After all, the intention was for the moderation staff to read my post! Someone else already questioned why the film isn't listed, then. Kineta even mentioned something which I neglected to: the film was voiced in Japanese, rather than in the filmmakers native language. If memory serves, they even got Tatsumi in himself to do some of the voice work (this was discussed in one of the DVD extras). There was a HUGE amount of respect for the source material, to the extent they wanted it dubbed the same as its setting and with the author's involvement/approval. From what little I can gather about MAL's database, it's an uncertain clusterfuck. It should be an 'either or' situation: either ONLY Japanese productions should be viewed as anime or EVERYTHING animated should be viewed as anime; as the Japanese themselves do. With MAL only adding Korean (and Chinese?) titles, in addition to Japanese ones, it's obviously going to lead to these types of situations. With MAL's database how it is, wouldn't it be best just to classify only animation from Asian countries as anime? That way Disney animations wouldn't need adding to the database and Tatsumi would be able to join the fun. And if the rules aren't likely to be changing, then I think Tatsumi has a good case to be the exception to the rules: it's based on the hugely influential works of a now kinda-sorta famous mangaka, is as close to the anime ideal as you can get (adding motion to manga drawings; being rigidly faithful to the source material), is voiced in Japanese and is generally more worthy of being classed as anime than most anime listed on this site. ...Really, I just want an excuse to re-watch it, list tag-review it and add a rareish 8/10 to my list, but it's most certainly unfair for the likes of King of Pigs to be on here when it itself isn't allowed. |
AironicallyHumanMay 17, 2013 11:21 AM
| It's not yet in the database? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1922736/ |
| Supporting the notion of this getting added to the database. Both ANN and AniDB list it, and the entirety of the voice cast were Japanese. The movie is based on several of Tatsumi's works, most notably, his autobiographical recount A Drifting Life. |
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| As some american cartoons aren't added to database even if the animation was outsourced to japanese studio, the same should apply in reverse - a singaporean production should be added even if the animation was outsourced elsewhere. That is of course if MAL considers Singapore to be culturally part of China. |
You all need to watch Nami. |
KashRonin said: So I recently found this movie and was blown away I couldnt add it into MAL as it would be an instant 10. I've loved tatsumi's works since I came across The Push Man and other stories and this film was awesome. I can't even find his works at all listed on the site. Its a shame. Mods please add this into the database. They are listed, but the Japanese releases - so, you'll need to find Japanese story collections that contain stories translated into English/Spanish/German whatever else volumes, and add them. |
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