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Mar 18, 2013 6:27 AM
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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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So having a tank doing close-range disruption around is an effective tactics...

And all the engine-stall and the praise Saori, Hana and Yukari gave for Miho we heard from those who have seen the preview are all linked back to Miho's experience in the last year's final about not leaving team mates behind. And look at the jump power of Miho!

LOL at all the battlefield breakdowns of the various German tanks..

There are all kinds of smart moves by Miho's team like destroying the bridge after you cross it. Using an urban terrain to reduce the numerical advantage of the enemy... BUT then there is the...
MAUS !!!!


symbvMar 18, 2013 6:53 AM
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
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Great episode, really.

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Mar 18, 2013 6:32 AM
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Miho got some leaping power. Great episode as usual.
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Yes that monster tank showed up and fired. Tanks of the other team were damaged. Nevertheless no gore, no death of the crew. I was like "Eh? Why?"

That town Oarai is an anime-oriented town or something? Not just G&P but Shinsekai yori features the town. Even Kotoura was featured by one anime only.

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Ah, to be young and to either be living in Japan or have access to some great on time streaming site!
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Dat Turtle team. Outstanding!

And suddenly... MAUS to fuck up everyone's day. Well done, GuP Projekt. That even surprised me.

Awesome episode.
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eminagnam said:
Yes that monster tank showed up and fired. Tanks of the other team were damaged. Nevertheless no gore, no death of the crew. I was like "Eh? Why?"
Still asking this kind of question at this stage?!? By now I know my brain has much better thing to do than processing such doubt and asking such questions ;-)

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That town Oarai is an anime-oriented town or something? Not just G&P but Shinsekai yori features the town. Even Kotoura was featured by one anime only.
No and no. Few anime fans heard of Ooarai until Girls und Panzer. Also Shinsekai Yori does not feature the town I think. The village in Shinsekai is supposed to be a place in present-day Ibaraki Prefecture, the same prefecture that Ooarai is located but the place where the village is located is not part of Ooarai.
symbvMar 18, 2013 6:49 AM
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
Mar 18, 2013 6:48 AM
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Shit man, that was awesome. I can't wait for 12. Though honestly this episode has no rewatch value. At least for me. Actas gotta step it up for the final ep!!!
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symbv said:
eminagnam said:
Yes that monster tank showed up and fired. Tanks of the other team were damaged. Nevertheless no gore, no death of the crew. I was like "Eh? Why?"
Still asking this kind of question at this stage?!? By now I know my brain has much better thing to do than processing such doubt and asking such questions ;-)


Not everyone watches the entire series. Thus it was a valid question. I didn't pay attention to this anime last year.
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eminagnam said:
Not everyone watches the entire series. Thus it was a valid question. I didn't pay attention to this anime last year.
So you just came here to watch ep.11 without watching any previous episode? Valid question maybe but it is also a misplaced question to ask in an ep.11 discussion thread, in my humble opinion.
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
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So you just came here to watch ep.11 without watching any previous episode? Valid question maybe but it is also a misplaced question to ask in an ep.11 discussion thread, in my humble opinion.


That's your personal opinion. There is no rule those who have not watched previous episodes are not allowed to ask the question in this thread. There can be always new comers during the ongoing series. I know my brain has the thing to think of the possibility.

Were you offended by the question? Otherwise why do you care? Everyone is entitled to post questions.
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eminagnam said:
That's your personal opinion. There is no rule those who have not watched previous episodes are not allowed to ask the question in this thread. There can be always new comers during the ongoing series. I know my brain has the thing to think of the possibility.
Were you offended by the question? Otherwise why do you care? Everyone is entitled to post questions.
Of course it is my personal opinion, just like your "personal opinion" about how the anime treats the situation where death should come easy in real-life. I have never said there is any rule that forbids newcomer's question, but I am just saying that such question is misplaced in a ep.11 thread, because it is a question that would have belonged to a FAQ for this show if ever there is one. You have your absolute freedom to post any newbie question, but just don't complain if you are met with frustration and "not again" remark from those who have followed the series all along, particularly since in your first post you never said you did not watch any previous episode of the series and is thus a newcomer.
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
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eminagnam said:


Were you offended by the question? Otherwise why do you care? Everyone is entitled to post questions.

Of course he is offended. He is the biggest moe nerd in MAL and will always protect her cute girls and their respective shows.
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Of course it is my personal opinion, just like your "personal opinion" about how the anime treats the situation where death should come easy in real-life. I have never said there is any rule that forbids newcomer's question, but I am just saying that such question is misplaced in a ep.11 thread, because it is a question that would have belonged to a FAQ for this show if ever there is one. You have your absolute freedom to post any newbie question, but just don't complain if you are met with frustration and "not again" remark from those who have followed the series all along, particularly since in your first post you never said you did not watch any previous episode of the series and is thus a newcomer.


If I were you, I'd just ignore *frustrating* questions rather than get frustrated. There are so many people with different opinions (questions included) in the world. You can't push nor expect your standard on them.

I did not say I had not seen any previous episodes. I saw one or two episodes last year, but didn't pay attention to details so much. Thus I didn't know there was a tacit understanding that this anime wouldn't show gore and death. This time the monster tank showed up, and it was such a point-blank shot by the monster. It's why I wondered. Even I, who watched one or two episodes last year, had the question. I guess new comers, who have not seen any previous episdoes, would also have the same question.
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That's one fine mouse.

Definitely unexpected, though!

Maus's speed get an increased speed or the same irl?
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eminagnam said:

Not everyone watches the entire series. Thus it was a valid question. I didn't pay attention to this anime last year.

Watch ep 10.5
It's explained here, all you need to know~
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1. eminagnam asked a natural question which was not apparently trolling.
2. On the other hand, it is true that it is NOT specific to Episode #11.
3. It IS a complicated and interesting subject worthy of rational discussion,
and Episode 10.5 really only very briefly touched on it.
4. There is a thread called "Thinking in more detail about the significance
of GaruPan" which would be an ideal place for us to explore this. Obviously
most of you won't care about this specific issue.
5. I believe this is actually the spirit of what symbv was saying.
6. The ad hominum comment was not necessary in this thread.
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That Maus appearing and pwning Miho's team out of nowhere has giant flea from nowhere status, a nice way to finish an ambush/urban warfare strategy for sure. I did not expect an unbeatable tank (at least by their available weapons) to be used in a match at all, everyones' shots just bounced off the Maus like it was shrapnel.


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symbv said:

MAUS !!!!




Wow, that is a monster xD Great episode all around with the tactics. Miho can jump really far! :O Can't wait for ep12... such a long wait, lol.
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can i have a link to a streaming website?
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[q Miho can jump really far! :O
I just have to stick it here:



So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
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I thought the Jagditger was bad,but now a MAUS?WHat's next E100?Jgdpz E100?P.1500 Monster?
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I thought the Jagditger was bad,but now a MAUS?WHat's next E100?Jgdpz E100?P.1500 Monster?
I think the rule of senshdo requires the tank must be completed before the war's end. E100 never got past the stage of prototype so I don't think it is allowed in senshado. Maus is as far as it can get as there is just one tank that was completed (and another one still in prototype stage).
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
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No,the Maus was only a prototype,they were never able to find a good enough engine for it...

The rules say that if a tank was in prototype/drawing board stage during WWII it has to be reviewed by a special committee.Tanks that were in production stage are just accepted by default.The tiger P was also made in just 6 prototypes.

So prototypes are allowed as long as they get approved.
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Mar 18, 2013 10:53 AM

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Just for reference:

3-01 Participating Vehicles
The only vehicles allowed to participate are those whose designs were completed before August 15, 1945, OR vehicles that had begun prototype trials by that date, OR vehicles whose construction was planned using only materials available before that date.
Vehicles meeting these requirements must be confirmed to be constructed using materials that were available at that time.
For vehicles that were only in their planning stages, the League will decide their eligibility on a case-by-case basis.
However, in the event that there is difficulty supplying the appropriate parts, the League may determine the extent that reproductions and modifications are allowed.

3-02 Supplemental Equipment
All tanks must be fitted with League-sanctioned referee equipment.
Furthermore, for the safety of the participants, the crew compartments are required to be fitted with League-approved armored mantles as an added safety measure.

3-03 Usable Cannons
All rounds are to be League-sanctioned live ammunition; production of your own warheads or charges is not allowed.
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Symbv Post #22:
I just have to stick it here:


Thank you for the clip.
GuP director Tsutomu Mizushima always goes to incredible lengths to get the laws
of Physics right. No matter how she flails her arms and legs, Miho's center of mass
MUST follow a parabolic arc as she jumps from one tank to the next.
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bt. once you spot a subbed stream feel free to link here...
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zenjamibu, thank you for providing that reference information.

For those of you who want to be able to refer to the original source, you can find the
rules in the right column of this: http://girls-und-panzer.jp/img/special/giveout2.jpg
It is written in Japanese. The type is very, very small. However, if you blow it up as
much as possible it is very clearly legible.

I am not aware of anywhere else where this information was officially put out. So I
believe that this is the original authoritative source.
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KAICHO-SAMA !!!!




Bonus:

So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
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2. On the other hand, it is true that it is NOT specific to Episode #11.


To me, it was specific to the episode. For, it was about Maus the monster tank. When I saw episodes last year, the tankers were not wounded despite tank battles. At that time I thought it was prolly due to long-rage fires of normal size tanks. But this time it was a Mause, the target was just in front of it, and the dead center of the target was hit.

If the anime had been full of unrealistic stuff, I wouldn't have wondered. But they are realistic mecha-wise [e.g. poor gradability of Tiger I], and they fired shells, not pellet ones. This is why I wondered in ep 11.
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Eminagnam, thank you for expanding on your original comment.

A key point that is revealed early in the series is that the interior of the tanks is coated in "carbon". No more details are given. However, in real-life present materials science, the strongest-known material is made from carbon nanotubes. So it is realistically plausible that the "carbon" is an ultra-strong material that is able to 100% prevent any penetration into the crew compartment. There would be no "spalling" either. This would keep the girls safe. This fact was revealed by Miho when she was talking to Saori during the battle with St. Gloriana.

When you watch the sequence where the "Mallard Team" (カモさんチーム) Renault B1 Bis gets hit by the 128-mm Maus shell, the key point to notice is the subsequent motion of the tank after it gets hit. It rolls backwards head-over-heels once, but then its motion settles down. On the basis of this it is possible to estimate the accelerations inside the tank that would endanger the girls (Sodoko, Gomoyo and Pazomi). Rather than going into the details of that, NASCAR automobile race fans in the United States know that, when they lose control, the motions of the cars can be much, much more extreme without even mussing the hair of the drivers.

From a technical point of view, the key point is that these tank shells do not carry a very large momentum. They have a high speed but a small mass. So when they collide with the target, the velocity of the target after the collision is not large.

Miho also stated that there are some genuine risks associated with Senshado, but it seems that the probability of serious injury is acceptably low.
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One half of episode 10.5 was just talking about the safety measures...
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Ob's stürmt oder schneit,
Ob die Sonne uns lacht,
Der Tag glühend heiß
Oder eiskalt die Nacht.

I really wish we had a version with vocals for the Panzerlied, but otherwise it was an excellent episode.

I'm also suprised the Maus can move so freely. The most likely way to beat such a giant fortress is to use the terrain.
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Mar 18, 2013 6:44 PM

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I missed this show so much. Great episode.
Mar 18, 2013 7:17 PM

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When i saw the MAUS I kinda lost my senses and started playing W.O.T again...
Mar 18, 2013 7:29 PM

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Hetzers gonna hetz.
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Pretty awesome episode. They're really incorporating more advanced tactics now. The smoke gank was terrific! Hetzer was amezzin' too, trolling them, turrets unable to keep up and get a clear shot off, although wouldn't a light tank be better for that? I guess they should just buck it from the Maus, it ain't the flag tank and it isn't fast enough to really persue beyond the town.

I always love the little girly touches they add though, like the smily face marker on the map. Man, I missed this show so much...
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From wikipedia

Panzerkampfwagen VIII Maus was a German World War II super-heavy tank completed in late 1944. It is the heaviest fully enclosed armoured fighting vehicle ever built. Only two hulls and one turret were completed before the testing grounds were captured by the advancing Soviet forces. An uncompleted tank was captured by British forces.

These two prototypes – one with, one without turret – underwent trials in late 1944. The complete vehicle was 10.2 metres (33 ft 6 in) long, 3.71 metres (12 ft 2 in) wide and 3.63 metres (11.9 ft) tall. Weighing 200 metric tons, the Maus's main armament was a 128 mm KwK 44 L/55 gun (55 calibers long barrel), based on the 12.8 cm Pak 44 anti-tank artillery piece, with a coaxial 75 mm gun. The 128 mm gun was powerful enough to destroy all enemy armored fighting vehicles at close or medium ranges, and even some at ranges exceeding 3,500 metres (3,800 yd).[2]

The principal problem in development of the Maus was finding a powerful enough engine for its weight that could be carried in the tank. Though the design called for a maximum speed of 20 kilometres per hour (12 mph), no engine was found that could power the prototype to more than 13 kilometres per hour (8.1 mph) under ideal conditions. The weight also made it impossible to cross most bridges; it was intended to ford or submerge and use a snorkel to cross rivers.
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where that Maus came from?
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fuck my stream was so slow. badass ep tho. that maus is pretty epic
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Mar 18, 2013 9:11 PM
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That Maus is one helluva beast! o_____o

A very exciting episode and I'm so happy that I've watched episode 11. I missed this show so much and it was worth the wait for me! Miho can jump really far (and gracefully) and good thing she didn't fall. She's truly amazing.... I'm also amazed by the tactics they pulled off here in this episode. LOL'd at destroying the bridge. :'D

Totally excited for the final episode next week!
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YES! It's finally here!

Those were some pretty impressive tactics by Miho right there. Using smoke as cover while going up the hill and pick them of one by one as they tried to climb up. using the Turtle team to harass and get some kills was pretty good and funny too. I can understand those Kuromorimine second in command frustration at them running away. And just when everything was going well... GODZILLA shows up. God that Maus is like a fucking Godzilla on the battlefield. Either they have to find a way to get around that tank and hit it from the back or they have to find a way to take out the flag tank before they're all picked off.
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Woo it's finally back good episode smoke tactic was cool but mother of god where did that Maus come from i need a gif of that thing shattering all the glass lol.

But i forgot why the other teams are able to have way more than the Ooarai Girls on top of that having a moving fortress.
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Okay, forgot about the details in previous episode, but Miho (and the audience) should have known there's Maus in Kuromorimine's lineup don't they ?

BTW, they failed to aim the long cannon in first try because it's too long ^^;

Another awesome point is for the lion team.
There's this anecdote about mechanic and surgeon.
Mechanic: I open up car's machine and fix it, you open up human heart and fix it. Same thing, but how come you got paid more ?
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Oh, so the series is back. Finally.

AIM. READY. FIRE.



For one thing, I would say that this episode's action were pretty good and shit got real!
>She's almost like flying!

Oh she sure is.

So a Maus is also here huh? Heaviest fucking tank in history.
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THAT MAUS @@
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Hmm when the tank flashed them and then lead them through town I already suspected a huge trap was waiting for them. xD I didn't expect any tanks in town, so the fact they had one there and ran away at the first sight of them and seemed to lead them on a pee-determined route rather than a hasty ad-hoc route made my spider sense tingle. o_o

One thing I was thinking to counter that tank would've been to have the lead tank get up super close so that turret couldn't reach them. And even just pin the tank against the wall so it couldn't move farther down the alley. Though.. I think if they just shot into the building walls the concussion and fragmentation would've taken them out anyways. But I think they still could've pinned the tank by acting as a wedge or chock between the building wall and the Maus tank.
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i had forgotten how enjoyable this was :3

but seriously, who keeps telling them to pursuit an enemy under clear numeric disadvantage?? :/
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Whole episode had me fired up and laughing my ass off at the same time. I'm glad it's back. Worth the wait, for sure.

I knew that tank in the city was luring them into a trap but I didn't expect a Maus to roll around the corner. Actually I didn't know what a Maus was until I looked it up.




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I had a feeling that PzIII was leading Oorai to something big....If only the Maus was that intimidating in WoT
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