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Feb 5, 2013 5:33 PM

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I'd like to know if I just happen to run into a lot of people that like FMA but not FMA:B, or if FMA:B really is a sore spot for a lot of FMA lovers. For some reason, whenever I talk to someone about FMA, and I bring up FMA:B, they either say that they would rather not talk about it, or they express how much they detest it. I can't imagine why they wouldn't like FMA:B if they liked the original, sure FMA:B doesn't have quite as much character development as the original, and it takes itself a little less seriously, but I thought it had a better cast and a hell of a lot less plot holes. I don't really think you can say whether or not one is better than the other, and I don't think that you can really deny that FMA:B was pretty good, even if you don't think it was as good as the original. I think that FMA:B is, if nothing else, a worthy addition to the franchise, and I can't imagine why you wouldn't enjoy them both just because you think one is better or worse than the other.

P.S. I'm not trying to make an FMA Vs FMA:B thread, I think that they're both masterpieces in their own right, I'm just asking a simple question.


EDIT: Well, I guess FMA:B DID have kind of a shitty ending, and Father was kind of generic, but that still doesn't make it bad, by any means.
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I prefer that woman villain from FMA than Father.
Father just seemed kind of bland and left me with a bunch of Frodos.
 
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Why do you suppose some FMA lovers hate FMA:B?
Because they have shit taste.
 
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This reminds me of this thread for a reason:

http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=536956&show=0
 
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alexx_310 said:
I prefer that woman villain from FMA than Father.
Father just seemed kind of bland and left me with a bunch of Frodos.


Sounds like you still carry some emotional Baggins from it.
 
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Because the storyline is different.
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RLinksoul said:
alexx_310 said:
I prefer that woman villain from FMA than Father.
Father just seemed kind of bland and left me with a bunch of Frodos.


Sounds like you still carry some emotional Baggins from it.


If Father had the power to stop alchemy, why didn't he do it against ed and every one else?

 
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Cann't handle the truly epicness
 
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I havent seen FMAB and I don't want to because I heard it has a happy ending. As sad as I was at the end of FMA, part of me was glad that it didn't have a cliche happy ending, if it did, I don't think I would have scored it as high. I think that's the reason why some people don't like it.
 
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alexx_310 said:

RLinksoul said:
alexx_310 said:
I prefer that woman villain from FMA than Father.
Father just seemed kind of bland and left me with a bunch of Frodos.


Sounds like you still carry some emotional Baggins from it.


If Father had the power to stop alchemy, why didn't he do it against ed and every one else?
Isn't it because it was neutralised by Isbalan.
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Because they think the fake darkness of the plot makes it better. Oooo they gave it a bittersweet ending, it's so deep. They also think the drawn out beginning makes it better.

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alexx_310 said:

RLinksoul said:
alexx_310 said:
I prefer that woman villain from FMA than Father.
Father just seemed kind of bland and left me with a bunch of Frodos.


Sounds like you still carry some emotional Baggins from it.


If Father had the power to stop alchemy, why didn't he do it against ed and every one else?
Isn't it because it was neutralised by Isbalan.
Yes they disabled his ability to do that at the end.
 
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I havent seen FMAB and I don't want to because I heard it has a happy ending. As sad as I was at the end of FMA, part of me was glad that it didn't have a cliche happy ending, if it did I don't think I would have scored it as high. I think thtas the reason why some people don't like it.
that isnt turning me off from watching it but yah hearing brotherhood has a happy ending.......well it just ruins things for me a bit, the series managed to pull off dark but hopeful but seeing it just say fuck it and go fro a happy as hell ending is really disappointing, then again its likely about the journey not the destination

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amichaaan said:
I havent seen FMAB and I don't want to because I heard it has a happy ending. As sad as I was at the end of FMA, part of me was glad that it didn't have a cliche happy ending, if it did I don't think I would have scored it as high. I think that's the reason why some people don't like it.


It did have kind of a cliche ending, but the series as a whole was still really good and definitely worth watching. If you do end up watching it, as a fan of the original you'll hate the first season, but it gets much better after that.
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amichaaan said:
I havent seen FMAB and I don't want to because I heard it has a happy ending. As sad as I was at the end of FMA, part of me was glad that it didn't have a cliche happy ending, if it did I don't think I would have scored it as high. I think thtas the reason why some people don't like it.
that isnt turning me off from watching it but yah hearing brotherhood has a happy ending.......well it just ruins things for me a bit, the series managed to pull off dark but hopeful but seeing it just say fuck it and go fro a happy as hell ending is really disappointing, then again its likely about the journey not the destination
They didn't just say fuck it, it worked with what happened. It was the first FMA's ending that didn't make any sense. You're forgetting that it was the 2003 version that strayed from the original story line, so it was the 2003 series that said fuck it lets make some edgy ending.
 
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DJIzzyIzzyHitler said:
that isnt turning me off from watching it but yah hearing brotherhood has a happy ending.......well it just ruins things for me a bit, the series managed to pull off dark but hopeful but seeing it just say fuck it and go fro a happy as hell ending is really disappointing, then again its likely about the journey not the destination
CNile said:


It did have kind of a cliche ending, but the series as a whole was still really good and definitely worth watching. If you do end up watching it, as a fan of the original you'll hate the first season, but it gets much better after that.


I'm sure I would love it, but it would mess with my head seeing two different versions.
 
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Why did Alchemy work for the Briggs soldiers if Father sealed in Ishval during the civil war?

 
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Why did Alchemy work for the Briggs soldiers if Father sealed in Ishval during the civil war?

What are you talking about?
 
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Why did Alchemy work for the Briggs soldiers if Father sealed in Ishval during the civil war?

Because the principle of Briggs alchemi is the same as Amestris. Meanwhile Ishval and Xingxe alchemist draw different power source than them.
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alexx_310 said:
Why did Alchemy work for the Briggs soldiers if Father sealed in Ishval during the civil war?

Because the principle of Briggs alchemi is the same as Amestris. Meanwhile Ishval and Xingxe alchemist draw different power source than them.


Ahh okay, I have a few more Frodos but I'll give it a rest.
 
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alexx_310 said:
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alexx_310 said:
Why did Alchemy work for the Briggs soldiers if Father sealed in Ishval during the civil war?

Because the principle of Briggs alchemi is the same as Amestris. Meanwhile Ishval and Xingxe alchemist draw different power source than them.


Ahh okay, I have a few more Frodos but I'll give it a rest.
Yes the Xing people use the earth's energy through chi veins or whatever(popular in asian culture), while the Amestris say that theirs come from the energy of the tectonic plates.

Throw all your Frodos in here, they might turn out to be easily explainable.
 
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Because it is a cliched shounen action fest and not a particularly good one at that either. Worst thing was the huge number of added useless filler characters.
 
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Because it is a cliched shounen action fest and not a particularly good one at that either. Worst thing was the huge number of added useless filler characters.
The first series was the one with filler characters, so I don't know what you're talking about.
 
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mecharobot said:
Because it is a cliched shounen action fest and not a particularly good one at that either. Worst thing was the huge number of added useless filler characters.
The first series was the one with filler characters, so I don't know what you're talking about.
I drop the first series because of filler.
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Because it is a cliched shounen action fest and not a particularly good one at that either. Worst thing was the huge number of added useless filler characters.


Uh... You realize that by definition, filler in a manga-based anime is an episode that is unrelated to the manga, so technically because the original was only true to the manga for the first few episodes, most of the series was filler. FMA:B had almost no filler, so I'm assuming that you're saying that the "filler characters" in FMA:B were filler characters because they weren't in the original, when FMA:B wasn't even based on the original, it AND FMA were based on the FMA manga, which was the true original. So because FMA:B was a true-to-the manga adaptation of the franchise, filler was nearly nonexistent in the series.

As for it being a "Cliched shounen action fest", it had great characters and an excellent plot, and what action there was was very good. On top of that, it was one of the least cliche series I've seen in a while, it's a shounen that's actually made with careful planning and a lot of money, unlike cash-cows such as Naruto and Bleach. And you're not one to complain about "Cliched shounen action fests" when you gave DBZ a 7/10, and the essence of that show is being a cliche shounen action fest, it has almost no plot, and not much of anything BUT action for that matter

That aside, if most of the original series was technically filler, then it was pretty good filler if nothing else.
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If you ask me Cnile, I don't understand either...

I watched all of FMA episodes when FMA: Brotherhood was on ep 3. I watched it BEFORE starting reading it and watching Brotherhood because I wanted to enjoy it to it's maximum.

I did enjoy FMA although I found it rushed A LOT after Hughes dies and with a lot of holes in it's story. I have to disagreed with you in character development, as I think in Brotherhood they were a lot more developed. Another thing I found different was Scar, he was much more cold in Brotherhood than in FMA.

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Seriously, it was a great story and all but I preferred Brotherhood. Either manga or anime (brotherhood) are on my top 10 of favourite manga/anime of all time.

I was satisfied with the long road, anxiety, sadness and happiness that it brought me, the ending wasn't a "happy end to forever after" but it was a perfect match for this series. I seriously enjoyed what they did with Pride's homunculi, with Envy's death, with Ed vs Winry, with everything ;)

 
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I'm almost finished FMA and am confused if I should watch FMA:B or not. Is it a similar story line that I would get bored of after watching FMA or is it different and will still excite me?
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I'm almost finished FMA and am confused if I should watch FMA:B or not. Is it a similar story line that I would get bored of after watching FMA or is it different and will still excite me?
Well the first 25 episodes of FMA are compressed to about 15 in FMAB, FMA had fillers in the beginning. Those are the only episodes that are similar, after that they take two completely different routes. FMA goes away from the manga and goes down a filler path with different enemies(including the main boss), characters, and story. While FMAB stays with the manga the whole time.

To me FMAB deserves it's position above FMA. If you watch FMAB then don't do it soon after finishing FMA or else some of the emotional parts might not seem as good.
 
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I haven't ran in to very many people that hated either one of these series, that's a pretty rare occurrence in my experience. Both anime are such good productions overall that I think it's difficult to make the case that either one is "bad". The only reason I can think of why an FMA lover might hate FMA:B is because they may have a very low tolerance for immaturity — they can't stand to watch a show that doesn't always take itself seriously, or in other words, they don't quite fall in the target audience of Brotherhood. If a person truly dislikes the shounen genre to its very core, dislikes heavily action-oriented shows, or can't stand Disney-esque happy endings, then I can see why they might be put off by Brotherhood's tone and presentation. But even those people would still probably agree that it was a well made anime, or at least I hope they would.
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I happen to like FMA much better than FMAB and I'll try to explain why.
Not to make an argument but to show what might possibly be going in the said person's mind lol (after all, these are just personal tastes)
My memory is a bit hazy about FMA.. but here goes.
What I liked about FMA better was the fact that it WASN'T true to the manga. Anime adaptations are much harder to pull off than straight out copying manga pages. (And yes, even the camera angles and settings were pretty much copied straight off from the pages it seems) I'm a big whore on creativity, so while watching FMAB I couldn't help but be disappointed by how the story flowed since I already have been reading the manga. Animation quality was top notch and there's no doubt about that. But it seemed like the pretty sakuga fights were the only thing that kept me from not dropping the show. So my best assumption is that the said person that OP mentioned have already read both the manga and the adaptation before watching FMAB.

Another constant disappointment about FMAB was the constant break in atmosphere. What a lot of shounen anime tend to do is give these silly comical breaks every few pages. And it just doesn't quite fit with all the deaths and agony that's in the atmosphere. I mean, we're talking sudden "chibi" art style slice-of-life comedy that just sliced into the scene and I just found it to be very inappropriate. On the other hand, FMA was true to its dark depressing atmosphere. It had humor, but it was done tastefully.

Then comes the ending. One was a typical shounen ending, the other wasn't. Not much to say here. I guess I just enjoyed the bitter sweet ending better.

But what I must admit is that I'm probably extremely biased by nostalgic values and the haziness of my memory. The mere fact that I watched FMA first already makes me incapable of judging FMAB with fairness. I suppose it was the same with the people who "hate" FMAB but love FMA.
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Personally I thought FMA was better than FMA:B. The plot moves faster (even if it was different from the manga) and it was far grittier than the second show. Also there where less jokes about Ed's stature, which I never thought was funny enough to be a running gag.

Its a matter of opinion, most people believe FMA:B was much better than the first, and it is in terms of keeping to the story. Thing is I personally thought that the plot from FMA was actually better then the original manga, I think the manga stretched out far longer then it had too and some characters where used incorrectly. My favorite thing about FMA was how they treated Scar's character. One thing I liked about FMA:B on the other hand was the addition of the "Chinese" kingdom which I thought was interesting contrast to the rest of the show.

With that said I don't particularly love either show. I think they are both decent shows but definitely not my favorites. I just enjoyed FMA much more than Brotherhood and would be more likely to re watch FMA over Brotherhood.
 
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Because FMA Plot development was far more epic and realistic than inane Brotherhood's. It was more about real-life than save-the-planet-super-man-stuff...
 
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I havent seen FMAB and I don't want to because I heard it has a happy ending. As sad as I was at the end of FMA, part of me was glad that it didn't have a cliche happy ending, if it did I don't think I would have scored it as high. I think thtas the reason why some people don't like it.
that isnt turning me off from watching it but yah hearing brotherhood has a happy ending.......well it just ruins things for me a bit, the series managed to pull off dark but hopeful but seeing it just say fuck it and go fro a happy as hell ending is really disappointing, then again its likely about the journey not the destination
They didn't just say fuck it, it worked with what happened. It was the first FMA's ending that didn't make any sense. You're forgetting that it was the 2003 version that strayed from the original story line, so it was the 2003 series that said fuck it lets make some edgy ending.
yah but it strayed really early on in its manga lifer and made a big complete story, The manga was barely off its feet when the anime diverged so tis not like it was giving it a dark and edgy ending, it was giving it a whole complete story, and many of those things they added were way better than what brotherhood did, such as lust and ed's character development which were non existent in brotherhood or how the original anime took more risks by taking darker turns and killing important people off on both the enemy and good guy's side while brotherhood played it safe and killed off hardly anyone on the good guy's side and made the heroes win way to much to the point where it just made the villains seem incompetent, which they were aside from bradly, especially father who was a lame villain in every way

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Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

 
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I don't hate it. I just think that its characters and story could have been much better. FMA may have deviated from the manga, but it did a much better in those two aspects.
 
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DJIzzyIzzyHitler said:
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I havent seen FMAB and I don't want to because I heard it has a happy ending. As sad as I was at the end of FMA, part of me was glad that it didn't have a cliche happy ending, if it did I don't think I would have scored it as high. I think thtas the reason why some people don't like it.
that isnt turning me off from watching it but yah hearing brotherhood has a happy ending.......well it just ruins things for me a bit, the series managed to pull off dark but hopeful but seeing it just say fuck it and go fro a happy as hell ending is really disappointing, then again its likely about the journey not the destination
They didn't just say fuck it, it worked with what happened. It was the first FMA's ending that didn't make any sense. You're forgetting that it was the 2003 version that strayed from the original story line, so it was the 2003 series that said fuck it lets make some edgy ending.


yah but it strayed really early on in its manga lifer and made a big complete story, The manga was barely off its feet when the anime diverged so tis not like it was giving it a dark and edgy ending, it was giving it a whole complete story, and many of those things they added were way better than what brotherhood did, such as lust and ed's character development which were non existent in brotherhood or how the original anime took more risks by taking darker turns and killing important people off on both the enemy and good guy's side while brotherhood played it safe and killed off hardly anyone on the good guy's side and made the heroes win way to much to the point where it just made the villains seem incompetent, which they were aside from bradly, especially father who was a lame villain in every way
How in anyway was the story complete, nothing was resolved in the end, they decided to just throw him into another world and people call it dark and non cliche. And I don't see how the fact that the manga wasn't that far means that they didn't give it a dark and edgy ending, yes they did.
Ed had plenty of development in Brotherhood and Lust didn't need it, her role in FMA was stupid anyways.
It's just that they decided to go that stupid and hole filled way of every person who was transmuted was made into a homonculus, which for one totally ruined the roles of the seven sins. The sins were originally supposed to be parts of Father that he removed to become a higher being, with them being an embodiment of that sin, even dying like the sin(Gluttony being eaten, Sloth overworking himself, Envy realizing he envied humans and then killing himself). Which were all great scenes that the first series didn't have. FMA was just random, their mom is sloth and she can turn into water, what. For some reason their sensei's kid gets his arm and leg, what. Did anything in that show make any sense.
Taking risks = killing off people? That's called not knowing what to do with them so you kill them off. They even had that stupid asspull with Scar where all of a sudden he knows how to use some magic.
And what about Bucaneer, Fu, basically greed and Barry, Hohenheim(which was a great death scene), Nina, Hughes, were good people who died(and Nina and Hughe's death was better in Brotherhood, just putting that out there so you don't bring that up like every FMA fan does). And I don't see how Dante is any better, she's actually worse. It was Father who sacrificed a whole civilization, created the homonculus, and eventually gained the power of god. Dante was a jealous woman who started taking over bodies. Also Father's death scene where he confronted God was great, one of the best scenes in the series, that one scene topped everything FMA ever did. The first series threw out God and the door of truth and instead went for some portal.

And FMA didn't even get the Winry x Ed moment like Brotherhood did.
 
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(and Nina and Hughe's death was better in Brotherhood, just putting that out there so you don't bring that up like every FMA fan does).

And FMA didn't even get the Winry x Ed moment like Brotherhood did.


How exactly were Nina's and Hughe's deaths better in BH? If by better, you mean rushed, then yes I can agree.

So? Was Winry x Ed something that absolutely needed to happen? Just because there's a girl and a boy, doesn't make it so that they have to be dating.

Also, you say that by sending him to another world, the ending is stupid. In writing, yes it does sound stupid, but the execution of it is actually done quite well. The original keeps in mind the law of equivalent exchange with its ending, you know: something that's been essentially the central theme of the entire show. BH just doesn't do this. They get a philosopher's stone and everyone's happy. It's just too cliched and fairy tale-driven to be an original ending.
 
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(and Nina and Hughe's death was better in Brotherhood, just putting that out there so you don't bring that up like every FMA fan does).

And FMA didn't even get the Winry x Ed moment like Brotherhood did.


How exactly were Nina's and Hughe's deaths better in BH? If by better, you mean rushed, then yes I can agree.

So? Was Winry x Ed something that absolutely needed to happen? Just because there's a girl and a boy, doesn't make it so that they have to be dating.

Also, you say that by sending him to another world, the ending is stupid. In writing, yes it does sound stupid, but the execution of it is actually done quite well. The original keeps in mind the law of equivalent exchange with its ending, you know: something that's been essentially the central theme of the entire show. BH just doesn't do this. They get a philosopher's stone and everyone's happy. It's just too cliched and fairy tale-driven to be an original ending.
Wow a smart ass statement, you got me. Tell me how was it better in FMA? It wasn't rushed in Brotherhood, the art was better, the soundtrack fit better.

Pretending like I said it was something that needed to happen, only looking at the last sentence that was added as an extra. I never said they have to be dating, again. I put that in as that was something the first series lacked, romance between between those two.

You're right, it does sound stupid. And it is stupid. I think the execution of it was done crappily. How does Brotherhood use a philosopher's stone to make everyone happy? FMA was trying too hard with that ending, there was no way for them to conclude it properly so they just threw him in a portal hoping people would think it was so non cliche and edgy that they wouldn't notice that nothing was concluded. People surviving =/= cliche and fairy tail driven
 
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FMA Brotherhood is way better, FMA sucks

FMAB stays true to the manga, it is amazing.
 
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Why did Alchemy work for the Briggs soldiers if Father sealed in Ishval during the civil war?

Because the principle of Briggs alchemi is the same as Amestris. Meanwhile Ishval and Xingxe alchemist draw different power source than them.


Ahh okay, I have a few more Frodos but I'll give it a rest.
Yes the Xing people use the earth's energy through chi veins or whatever(popular in asian culture), while the Amestris say that theirs come from the energy of the tectonic plates.

Throw all your Frodos in here, they might turn out to be easily explainable.


Alexx , your frodos all got denied.'

In the end,

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IntroverTurtle said:
Alfonse said:
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(and Nina and Hughe's death was better in Brotherhood, just putting that out there so you don't bring that up like every FMA fan does).

And FMA didn't even get the Winry x Ed moment like Brotherhood did.


How exactly were Nina's and Hughe's deaths better in BH? If by better, you mean rushed, then yes I can agree.

So? Was Winry x Ed something that absolutely needed to happen? Just because there's a girl and a boy, doesn't make it so that they have to be dating.

Also, you say that by sending him to another world, the ending is stupid. In writing, yes it does sound stupid, but the execution of it is actually done quite well. The original keeps in mind the law of equivalent exchange with its ending, you know: something that's been essentially the central theme of the entire show. BH just doesn't do this. They get a philosopher's stone and everyone's happy. It's just too cliched and fairy tale-driven to be an original ending.
Wow a smart ass statement, you got me. Tell me how was it better in FMA? It wasn't rushed in Brotherhood, the art was better, the soundtrack fit better.

Pretending like I said it was something that needed to happen, only looking at the last sentence that was added as an extra. I never said they have to be dating, again. I put that in as that was something the first series lacked, romance between between those two.

You're right, it does sound stupid. And it is stupid. I think the execution of it was done crappily. How does Brotherhood use a philosopher's stone to make everyone happy? FMA was trying too hard with that ending, there was no way for them to conclude it properly so they just threw him in a portal hoping people would think it was so non cliche and edgy that they wouldn't notice that nothing was concluded. People surviving =/= cliche and fairy tail driven


It wasn't rushed? So Hughes death in the tenth episode was actually done well, even though they took almost no time to expand on his character? What about Nina where they just condensed everything to one episode? Hell, she barely has any screen time. She says "big brother Edward", for example in Brotherhood, but that has no bearing as she never called them that before. And we were supposed to feel sad about her death in BH? In the original Ed even tried to transmute Nina back to her original self, but couldn't because he realized it was impossible. Details like that really add to the characters, and BH just doesn't do that for the first couple of episodes. Not only that, but the fifth laboratory arc was extremely shortened in Brotherhood, making it seem almost pointless.

Except you listed that as one of you gripes about the series, and I only responded to it.

If I remember correctly, Ling gives them the philosopher's stone, and everyone's problems are fixed. It just doesn't seem to follow any sort of theme.
That's how YOU perceive the ending of the first series, not everyone else. It's an ending that makes you think, unlike BH's where everything was resolved and Winry and Ed get married. It's a bit too cliched. And the problem is the fact that they built up the ending so much, only to be shot down with something so mundane. Father was also a complete let-down after all that build up since they just made him another "I want to be God. Fear me" villain.
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Alfonse said:
IntroverTurtle said:
Alfonse said:
IntroverTurtle said:
(and Nina and Hughe's death was better in Brotherhood, just putting that out there so you don't bring that up like every FMA fan does).

And FMA didn't even get the Winry x Ed moment like Brotherhood did.


How exactly were Nina's and Hughe's deaths better in BH? If by better, you mean rushed, then yes I can agree.

So? Was Winry x Ed something that absolutely needed to happen? Just because there's a girl and a boy, doesn't make it so that they have to be dating.

Also, you say that by sending him to another world, the ending is stupid. In writing, yes it does sound stupid, but the execution of it is actually done quite well. The original keeps in mind the law of equivalent exchange with its ending, you know: something that's been essentially the central theme of the entire show. BH just doesn't do this. They get a philosopher's stone and everyone's happy. It's just too cliched and fairy tale-driven to be an original ending.
Wow a smart ass statement, you got me. Tell me how was it better in FMA? It wasn't rushed in Brotherhood, the art was better, the soundtrack fit better.

Pretending like I said it was something that needed to happen, only looking at the last sentence that was added as an extra. I never said they have to be dating, again. I put that in as that was something the first series lacked, romance between between those two.

You're right, it does sound stupid. And it is stupid. I think the execution of it was done crappily. How does Brotherhood use a philosopher's stone to make everyone happy? FMA was trying too hard with that ending, there was no way for them to conclude it properly so they just threw him in a portal hoping people would think it was so non cliche and edgy that they wouldn't notice that nothing was concluded. People surviving =/= cliche and fairy tail driven


It wasn't rushed? So Hughes death in the tenth episode was actually done well, even though they took almost no time to expand on his character? What about Nina where they just condensed everything to one episode? Hell, she barely has any screen time. She says "big brother Edward", for example in Brotherhood, but that has no bearing as she never called them that before. And we were supposed to feel sad about her death in BH? In the original Ed even tried to transmute Nina back to her original self, but couldn't because he realized it was impossible. Details like that really add to the characters, and BH just doesn't do that for the first couple of episodes. Not only that, but the fifth laboratory arc was extremely shortened in Brotherhood, making it seem almost pointless.

Except you listed that as one of you gripes about the series, and I only responded to it.

If I remember correctly, Ling gives them the philosopher's stone, and everyone's problems are fixed. It just doesn't seem to follow any sort of theme.
That's how YOU perceive the ending of the first series, not everyone else. It's an ending that makes you think, unlike BH's where everything was resolved and Winry and Ed get married. It's a bit too cliched. And the problem is the fact that they built up the ending so much, only to be shot down with something so mundane. Father was also a complete let-down after all that build up since they just made him another "I want to be God. Fear me" villain.
Nope it wasn't rushed. They took plenty of time to show him and get the viewer attached. Yes Nina's scene was fine too. She did call him that in Brotherhood and even if she didnt, the fact that a chimera called him something like that would have given it away. Yes people felt bad for her in Brotherhood, including me. Didn't feel anything in FMA though. And in the end of Brotherhood, Ed realized and said that he's only a human partly because he couldn't even save her, that really adds to the characters, FMA didn't have that though.
it was plenty long in Brotherhood.

FMA also had all those filler arcs and filler characters, not that good either.

My point was that the thing you decided to pick at what was the last line of my whole entire post, something that was small. Something that I only added as an addon and not as my main argument. I don't have any problem with you doing it, but I wanted to point that out.

Untrue, you're just making stuff up. In the end Ling gets a stone.....after all the fights have finished as it was for him to become king. It didn't solve any problems as it was after the conflict and anything he did after that was after the story was done.

Yes that's what this whole thread is about, how YOU percieve the whole anime and whether YOU think it's overrated or not. As there is no true way to prove Brotherhood is overrated or underrated. Brotherhood's ending still makes you think, while everything was resolved(which is a good thing compared to sweeping all the problems in to a portal), you're still able to think about their future and the future of Ed and Al on their trip.
Cliche =/=bad and non cliche=/=good, it's all about how it does it and I believe Brotherhood does it 20x better than FMA. I think the ending was anything but mundane. Father wasn't a let down, having the main antagonist be a jealous woman is a let down.
And Father was a good character, one who sacrificed a whole civilization so he could get a body, manipulating them while being only in a flask. And he didn't want to become god, it was more like he wanted to be free of the restrictions god places on everyone so he can learn everything and go everywhere, which the only way to do that for him was to become god. And his final confrontation with God was great, an unforgettable scene.
 
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Whoa, I didn't even know this thread existed.

Cool lemme give my brief thoughts:

That whole "becoming god" thing was really really really outlandishly stupid.

The Gate being a portal to our world is actually a better plot twist than that.

Ignoring that.. whatever it is in the posts above me, I also saw it when my taste in anime was less refined, so I guess nostalgia points make it score higher for me too.
 
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FMA and FMA:B are both amazing... but I will always have a soft spot in my heart for FMA. I just enjoyed the overall plot better, though I'm obviously in the minority.
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IntroverTurtle said:
Alfonse said:
IntroverTurtle said:
Alfonse said:
IntroverTurtle said:
(and Nina and Hughe's death was better in Brotherhood, just putting that out there so you don't bring that up like every FMA fan does).

And FMA didn't even get the Winry x Ed moment like Brotherhood did.


How exactly were Nina's and Hughe's deaths better in BH? If by better, you mean rushed, then yes I can agree.

So? Was Winry x Ed something that absolutely needed to happen? Just because there's a girl and a boy, doesn't make it so that they have to be dating.

Also, you say that by sending him to another world, the ending is stupid. In writing, yes it does sound stupid, but the execution of it is actually done quite well. The original keeps in mind the law of equivalent exchange with its ending, you know: something that's been essentially the central theme of the entire show. BH just doesn't do this. They get a philosopher's stone and everyone's happy. It's just too cliched and fairy tale-driven to be an original ending.
Wow a smart ass statement, you got me. Tell me how was it better in FMA? It wasn't rushed in Brotherhood, the art was better, the soundtrack fit better.

Pretending like I said it was something that needed to happen, only looking at the last sentence that was added as an extra. I never said they have to be dating, again. I put that in as that was something the first series lacked, romance between between those two.

You're right, it does sound stupid. And it is stupid. I think the execution of it was done crappily. How does Brotherhood use a philosopher's stone to make everyone happy? FMA was trying too hard with that ending, there was no way for them to conclude it properly so they just threw him in a portal hoping people would think it was so non cliche and edgy that they wouldn't notice that nothing was concluded. People surviving =/= cliche and fairy tail driven


It wasn't rushed? So Hughes death in the tenth episode was actually done well, even though they took almost no time to expand on his character? What about Nina where they just condensed everything to one episode? Hell, she barely has any screen time. She says "big brother Edward", for example in Brotherhood, but that has no bearing as she never called them that before. And we were supposed to feel sad about her death in BH? In the original Ed even tried to transmute Nina back to her original self, but couldn't because he realized it was impossible. Details like that really add to the characters, and BH just doesn't do that for the first couple of episodes. Not only that, but the fifth laboratory arc was extremely shortened in Brotherhood, making it seem almost pointless.

Except you listed that as one of you gripes about the series, and I only responded to it.

If I remember correctly, Ling gives them the philosopher's stone, and everyone's problems are fixed. It just doesn't seem to follow any sort of theme.
That's how YOU perceive the ending of the first series, not everyone else. It's an ending that makes you think, unlike BH's where everything was resolved and Winry and Ed get married. It's a bit too cliched. And the problem is the fact that they built up the ending so much, only to be shot down with something so mundane. Father was also a complete let-down after all that build up since they just made him another "I want to be God. Fear me" villain.
Nope it wasn't rushed. They took plenty of time to show him and get the viewer attached. Yes Nina's scene was fine too. She did call him that in Brotherhood and even if she didnt, the fact that a chimera called him something like that would have given it away. Yes people felt bad for her in Brotherhood, including me. Didn't feel anything in FMA though. And in the end of Brotherhood, Ed realized and said that he's only a human partly because he couldn't even save her, that really adds to the characters, FMA didn't have that though.
it was plenty long in Brotherhood.

FMA also had all those filler arcs and filler characters, not that good either.

My point was that the thing you decided to pick at what was the last line of my whole entire post, something that was small. Something that I only added as an addon and not as my main argument. I don't have any problem with you doing it, but I wanted to point that out.

Untrue, you're just making stuff up. In the end Ling gets a stone.....after all the fights have finished as it was for him to become king. It didn't solve any problems as it was after the conflict and anything he did after that was after the story was done.

Yes that's what this whole thread is about, how YOU percieve the whole anime and whether YOU think it's overrated or not. As there is no true way to prove Brotherhood is overrated or underrated. Brotherhood's ending still makes you think, while everything was resolved(which is a good thing compared to sweeping all the problems in to a portal), you're still able to think about their future and the future of Ed and Al on their trip.
Cliche =/=bad and non cliche=/=good, it's all about how it does it and I believe Brotherhood does it 20x better than FMA. I think the ending was anything but mundane. Father wasn't a let down, having the main antagonist be a jealous woman is a let down.
And Father was a good character, one who sacrificed a whole civilization so he could get a body, manipulating them while being only in a flask. And he didn't want to become god, it was more like he wanted to be free of the restrictions god places on everyone so he can learn everything and go everywhere, which the only way to do that for him was to become god. And his final confrontation with God was great, an unforgettable scene.


Alright so I managed to finish the series again, and I will say I gave the series too less credit. It really is great and the ending was actually much better than I last remembered it. I can see why it's number one on mal.
The character development is also really good for most of the characters, and honestly giving up alchemy to get Al back is a good price to pay, I suppose.

However, as good as the show is, there were many, MANY suspension of disbelief and deux ex machina moments that made my eyes roll. But the same could be said of any action series, I guess.

But I do have some questions on certain aspects of the show, moreso the ending. These aren't plotholes that I'm pointing out but just some confusion that I have.

1) I'm still a bit confused as to what "God" Father absorbed? Was it the Truth (the white being beyond the gate)? It should be correct because Father asks why he didn't accept him.

2) How does Father lose his god-like ability? (When he uses his arm to block Ed's kick). Is it because of Hohenheim's souls that he placed around Amestris, causing Father to slowly lose his ability and then ultimately deny it?

3) Why did Hohenheim die at the end? Did he die on his own volition, or was it because his Philosopher's Stone was slowly losing its power (from the blasts from Father and all)?

4) The Homunculi that Father releases are to take away any negative aspects of a human so that he can be a perfect being. While this is fine for five of the seven sins, it isn't for Pride and Greed. Isn't trying to gain full knowledge from the world and become a God-like figure both Prideful and Greedy?

5) Why does Pride's container only allow him to go within Amestris and no where farther? May be a dumb question, but I don't understand, probably because I wasn't paying full attention when it was addressed

And that's it.
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Alfonse said:
IntroverTurtle said:
Alfonse said:
IntroverTurtle said:
Alfonse said:
IntroverTurtle said:
(and Nina and Hughe's death was better in Brotherhood, just putting that out there so you don't bring that up like every FMA fan does).

And FMA didn't even get the Winry x Ed moment like Brotherhood did.


How exactly were Nina's and Hughe's deaths better in BH? If by better, you mean rushed, then yes I can agree.

So? Was Winry x Ed something that absolutely needed to happen? Just because there's a girl and a boy, doesn't make it so that they have to be dating.

Also, you say that by sending him to another world, the ending is stupid. In writing, yes it does sound stupid, but the execution of it is actually done quite well. The original keeps in mind the law of equivalent exchange with its ending, you know: something that's been essentially the central theme of the entire show. BH just doesn't do this. They get a philosopher's stone and everyone's happy. It's just too cliched and fairy tale-driven to be an original ending.
Wow a smart ass statement, you got me. Tell me how was it better in FMA? It wasn't rushed in Brotherhood, the art was better, the soundtrack fit better.

Pretending like I said it was something that needed to happen, only looking at the last sentence that was added as an extra. I never said they have to be dating, again. I put that in as that was something the first series lacked, romance between between those two.

You're right, it does sound stupid. And it is stupid. I think the execution of it was done crappily. How does Brotherhood use a philosopher's stone to make everyone happy? FMA was trying too hard with that ending, there was no way for them to conclude it properly so they just threw him in a portal hoping people would think it was so non cliche and edgy that they wouldn't notice that nothing was concluded. People surviving =/= cliche and fairy tail driven


It wasn't rushed? So Hughes death in the tenth episode was actually done well, even though they took almost no time to expand on his character? What about Nina where they just condensed everything to one episode? Hell, she barely has any screen time. She says "big brother Edward", for example in Brotherhood, but that has no bearing as she never called them that before. And we were supposed to feel sad about her death in BH? In the original Ed even tried to transmute Nina back to her original self, but couldn't because he realized it was impossible. Details like that really add to the characters, and BH just doesn't do that for the first couple of episodes. Not only that, but the fifth laboratory arc was extremely shortened in Brotherhood, making it seem almost pointless.

Except you listed that as one of you gripes about the series, and I only responded to it.

If I remember correctly, Ling gives them the philosopher's stone, and everyone's problems are fixed. It just doesn't seem to follow any sort of theme.
That's how YOU perceive the ending of the first series, not everyone else. It's an ending that makes you think, unlike BH's where everything was resolved and Winry and Ed get married. It's a bit too cliched. And the problem is the fact that they built up the ending so much, only to be shot down with something so mundane. Father was also a complete let-down after all that build up since they just made him another "I want to be God. Fear me" villain.
Nope it wasn't rushed. They took plenty of time to show him and get the viewer attached. Yes Nina's scene was fine too. She did call him that in Brotherhood and even if she didnt, the fact that a chimera called him something like that would have given it away. Yes people felt bad for her in Brotherhood, including me. Didn't feel anything in FMA though. And in the end of Brotherhood, Ed realized and said that he's only a human partly because he couldn't even save her, that really adds to the characters, FMA didn't have that though.
it was plenty long in Brotherhood.

FMA also had all those filler arcs and filler characters, not that good either.

My point was that the thing you decided to pick at what was the last line of my whole entire post, something that was small. Something that I only added as an addon and not as my main argument. I don't have any problem with you doing it, but I wanted to point that out.

Untrue, you're just making stuff up. In the end Ling gets a stone.....after all the fights have finished as it was for him to become king. It didn't solve any problems as it was after the conflict and anything he did after that was after the story was done.

Yes that's what this whole thread is about, how YOU percieve the whole anime and whether YOU think it's overrated or not. As there is no true way to prove Brotherhood is overrated or underrated. Brotherhood's ending still makes you think, while everything was resolved(which is a good thing compared to sweeping all the problems in to a portal), you're still able to think about their future and the future of Ed and Al on their trip.
Cliche =/=bad and non cliche=/=good, it's all about how it does it and I believe Brotherhood does it 20x better than FMA. I think the ending was anything but mundane. Father wasn't a let down, having the main antagonist be a jealous woman is a let down.
And Father was a good character, one who sacrificed a whole civilization so he could get a body, manipulating them while being only in a flask. And he didn't want to become god, it was more like he wanted to be free of the restrictions god places on everyone so he can learn everything and go everywhere, which the only way to do that for him was to become god. And his final confrontation with God was great, an unforgettable scene.


Alright so I managed to finish the series again, and I will say I gave the series too less credit. It really is great and the ending was actually much better than I last remembered it. I can see why it's number one on mal.
The character development is also really good for most of the characters, and honestly giving up alchemy to get Al back is a good price to pay, I suppose.

However, as good as the show is, there were many, MANY suspension of disbelief and deux ex machina moments that made my eyes roll. But the same could be said of any action series, I guess.

But I do have some questions on certain aspects of the show, moreso the ending. These aren't plotholes that I'm pointing out but just some confusion that I have.

1) I'm still a bit confused as to what "God" Father absorbed? Was it the Truth (the white being beyond the gate)? It should be correct because Father asks why he didn't accept him.

2) How does Father lose his god-like ability? (When he uses his arm to block Ed's kick). Is it because of Hohenheim's souls that he placed around Amestris, causing Father to slowly lose his ability and then ultimately deny it?

3) Why did Hohenheim die at the end? Did he die on his own volition, or was it because his Philosopher's Stone was slowly losing its power (from the blasts from Father and all)?

4) The Homunculi that Father releases are to take away any negative aspects of a human so that he can be a perfect being. While this is fine for five of the seven sins, it isn't for Pride and Greed. Isn't trying to gain full knowledge from the world and become a God-like figure both Prideful and Greedy?

5) Why does Pride's container only allow him to go within Amestris and no where farther? May be a dumb question, but I don't understand, probably because I wasn't paying full attention when it was addressed

And that's it.


Here are answers to your questions

Answer to #1 - Father opened the Gate of Truth belonging to the planet itself and absorbed a higher power which he thought was "God" into himself. The higher power itself was not "God."

Answer to #2 - You guessed right, Father lost his power because of Hohenheim's counterattack which consisted of him placing souls around Amestris. This act was foreshadowed in episode 36 where Hohenheim tears a soul from his body and places it onto the earth.

Answer to #3 - Hohenhiem died because his philosophers stone ran out of souls and his body was over 400 years old

Answer to #4 - I think it was said by Hohenheim that it is impossible for someone to fully rid himself of the seven desires. I think Father still had little traces of the desires especially Pride as it is the one desire that can never be erased as it is the desire that drives everyone.

Answer to #5 - Pride can't reach beyond Amestris because it's beyond his limits of his power. While the homunculi are very powerful, even their powers have limits.

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rockbot said:
Alfonse said:
IntroverTurtle said:
Alfonse said:
IntroverTurtle said:
Alfonse said:
IntroverTurtle said:
(and Nina and Hughe's death was better in Brotherhood, just putting that out there so you don't bring that up like every FMA fan does).

And FMA didn't even get the Winry x Ed moment like Brotherhood did.


How exactly were Nina's and Hughe's deaths better in BH? If by better, you mean rushed, then yes I can agree.

So? Was Winry x Ed something that absolutely needed to happen? Just because there's a girl and a boy, doesn't make it so that they have to be dating.

Also, you say that by sending him to another world, the ending is stupid. In writing, yes it does sound stupid, but the execution of it is actually done quite well. The original keeps in mind the law of equivalent exchange with its ending, you know: something that's been essentially the central theme of the entire show. BH just doesn't do this. They get a philosopher's stone and everyone's happy. It's just too cliched and fairy tale-driven to be an original ending.
Wow a smart ass statement, you got me. Tell me how was it better in FMA? It wasn't rushed in Brotherhood, the art was better, the soundtrack fit better.

Pretending like I said it was something that needed to happen, only looking at the last sentence that was added as an extra. I never said they have to be dating, again. I put that in as that was something the first series lacked, romance between between those two.

You're right, it does sound stupid. And it is stupid. I think the execution of it was done crappily. How does Brotherhood use a philosopher's stone to make everyone happy? FMA was trying too hard with that ending, there was no way for them to conclude it properly so they just threw him in a portal hoping people would think it was so non cliche and edgy that they wouldn't notice that nothing was concluded. People surviving =/= cliche and fairy tail driven


It wasn't rushed? So Hughes death in the tenth episode was actually done well, even though they took almost no time to expand on his character? What about Nina where they just condensed everything to one episode? Hell, she barely has any screen time. She says "big brother Edward", for example in Brotherhood, but that has no bearing as she never called them that before. And we were supposed to feel sad about her death in BH? In the original Ed even tried to transmute Nina back to her original self, but couldn't because he realized it was impossible. Details like that really add to the characters, and BH just doesn't do that for the first couple of episodes. Not only that, but the fifth laboratory arc was extremely shortened in Brotherhood, making it seem almost pointless.

Except you listed that as one of you gripes about the series, and I only responded to it.

If I remember correctly, Ling gives them the philosopher's stone, and everyone's problems are fixed. It just doesn't seem to follow any sort of theme.
That's how YOU perceive the ending of the first series, not everyone else. It's an ending that makes you think, unlike BH's where everything was resolved and Winry and Ed get married. It's a bit too cliched. And the problem is the fact that they built up the ending so much, only to be shot down with something so mundane. Father was also a complete let-down after all that build up since they just made him another "I want to be God. Fear me" villain.
Nope it wasn't rushed. They took plenty of time to show him and get the viewer attached. Yes Nina's scene was fine too. She did call him that in Brotherhood and even if she didnt, the fact that a chimera called him something like that would have given it away. Yes people felt bad for her in Brotherhood, including me. Didn't feel anything in FMA though. And in the end of Brotherhood, Ed realized and said that he's only a human partly because he couldn't even save her, that really adds to the characters, FMA didn't have that though.
it was plenty long in Brotherhood.

FMA also had all those filler arcs and filler characters, not that good either.

My point was that the thing you decided to pick at what was the last line of my whole entire post, something that was small. Something that I only added as an addon and not as my main argument. I don't have any problem with you doing it, but I wanted to point that out.

Untrue, you're just making stuff up. In the end Ling gets a stone.....after all the fights have finished as it was for him to become king. It didn't solve any problems as it was after the conflict and anything he did after that was after the story was done.

Yes that's what this whole thread is about, how YOU percieve the whole anime and whether YOU think it's overrated or not. As there is no true way to prove Brotherhood is overrated or underrated. Brotherhood's ending still makes you think, while everything was resolved(which is a good thing compared to sweeping all the problems in to a portal), you're still able to think about their future and the future of Ed and Al on their trip.
Cliche =/=bad and non cliche=/=good, it's all about how it does it and I believe Brotherhood does it 20x better than FMA. I think the ending was anything but mundane. Father wasn't a let down, having the main antagonist be a jealous woman is a let down.
And Father was a good character, one who sacrificed a whole civilization so he could get a body, manipulating them while being only in a flask. And he didn't want to become god, it was more like he wanted to be free of the restrictions god places on everyone so he can learn everything and go everywhere, which the only way to do that for him was to become god. And his final confrontation with God was great, an unforgettable scene.


Alright so I managed to finish the series again, and I will say I gave the series too less credit. It really is great and the ending was actually much better than I last remembered it. I can see why it's number one on mal.
The character development is also really good for most of the characters, and honestly giving up alchemy to get Al back is a good price to pay, I suppose.

However, as good as the show is, there were many, MANY suspension of disbelief and deux ex machina moments that made my eyes roll. But the same could be said of any action series, I guess.

But I do have some questions on certain aspects of the show, moreso the ending. These aren't plotholes that I'm pointing out but just some confusion that I have.

1) I'm still a bit confused as to what "God" Father absorbed? Was it the Truth (the white being beyond the gate)? It should be correct because Father asks why he didn't accept him.

2) How does Father lose his god-like ability? (When he uses his arm to block Ed's kick). Is it because of Hohenheim's souls that he placed around Amestris, causing Father to slowly lose his ability and then ultimately deny it?

3) Why did Hohenheim die at the end? Did he die on his own volition, or was it because his Philosopher's Stone was slowly losing its power (from the blasts from Father and all)?

4) The Homunculi that Father releases are to take away any negative aspects of a human so that he can be a perfect being. While this is fine for five of the seven sins, it isn't for Pride and Greed. Isn't trying to gain full knowledge from the world and become a God-like figure both Prideful and Greedy?

5) Why does Pride's container only allow him to go within Amestris and no where farther? May be a dumb question, but I don't understand, probably because I wasn't paying full attention when it was addressed

6) Why doesn't Wrath's body decompose like the other Homunculi after he dies?

And that's it.


Here are answers to 4 out of 5 questions.

Answer to #1 - Father opened the Gate of Truth belonging to the planet itself and absorbed a higher power which he thought was "God" into himself. The higher power itself was not "God."

Answer to #2 - You guessed right, Father lost his power because of Hohenheim's counterattack which consisted of him placing souls around Amestris. This act was foreshadowed in episode 36 where Hohenheim tears a soul from his body and places it onto the earth.

Answer to #3 - Hohenhiem died because his philosophers stone ran out of souls and his body was over 400 years old

Answer to #4 - I think it was said by Hohenheim that it is impossible for someone to fully rid himself of the seven desires. I think Father still had little traces of the desires especially Pride as it is the one desire that can never be erased as it is the sin that drives everyone.



Ah, it seems to make sense. Like I said, these questions are essentially me not paying attention at certain times of the show since I do many things while I watch. Thanks for answering though.
 
May 12, 2013 8:17 PM

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Haha, wow. I guess I don't have to answer all of those, I ate too slow. Actually his answers to number 1 and 4 were something I didn't fully know.
When was the answer to 1 revealed? I thought he did absorb god, but because of him losing all the souls, he wasn't able to hold it in. Though that would fit if he absorbed some other higher power like you said too.

And Alfonse, do you remember any of those dues ex machina moments?
 
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IntroverTurtle said:
Haha, wow. I guess I don't have to answer all of those, I ate too slow. Actually his answers to number 1 and 4 were something I didn't fully know.
When was the answer to 1 revealed? I thought he did absorb god, but because of him losing all the souls, he wasn't able to hold it in. Though that would fit if he absorbed some other higher power like you said too.

And Alfonse, do you remember any of those dues ex machina moments?


The answer to #1 was revealed in episode 63 when Father confronted "God." "God" said that Father "coverted the power of what he called God."

I think Alfonse thought Hohenhiem's counterattack against Father's nationwide transmutation circle was an deus ex machina because he saw no foreshadowing of it. He mentioned that he didn't pay attention at time so he must've missed the scene where Hohenhiem was planting one of his souls onto the ground in episode 36.
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