Girls und Panzer Episode 7 Discussion

Rules of Panzerkraft (excerpt)
Panzerkraft Competition Regulations (Japan Panzerkraft League)

1-02 Competition Format
There are two types of formats for matches; Elimination Battles and Flag Battles, as designated by the League.
In Elimination Battles, the render inoperable all of the opposing team's vehicles.
In Flag Battles, the objective is to render inoperable the opposing side's Flag Vehicles, to be designated beforehand.

2-02 Limitations of Numbers of Vehicles
Each team may not field more vehicles than the number designated by the League.
However, it is possible to field less than the designated number.

2-03 Match Location
The boundary lines of the competition field will be determined by the League.
競技場は、試合まえ７２時間までに規定の書式の地図（競技区＊）、＊＊、
軽度、気＊状況が、競技者双方に提示される。
The participants will be allowed to inspect the presented competition field, however, until it is presented to them, the area will be off limits and access to it denied.
In the event that the competition field is modified, notice of the modification must be made to the League within 24 hours of the modification.
連盟はその異＊を２４時間以内に＊＊し、異＊が＊当と認めた場合は速やか
に＊正を行うこととする。

3-01 Participating Vehicles
The only vehicles allowed to participate are those whose designs were completed before August 15, 1945, OR vehicles that had begun prototype trials by that date, OR vehicles whose construction was planned using only materials available before that date.
Vehicles meeting these requirements must be confirmed to be constructed using materials that were available at that time.
For vehicles that were only in their planning stages, the League will decide their eligibility on a case-by-case basis.
However, in the event that there is difficulty supplying the appropriate parts, the League may determine the extent that reproductions and modifications are allowed.

3-02 Supplemental Equipment
All tanks must be fitted with League-sanctioned referee equipment.
Furthermore, for the safety of the participants, the crew compartments are required to be fitted with League-approved armored mantles as an added safety measure.

3-03 Usable Cannons
All rounds are to be League-sanctioned live ammunition; production of your own warheads or charges is not allowed.

4-02 Determining the Outcome of Battles
Elimination Battles The team that renders all the opposing team's vehicles inoperable is the winner.
Flag Battles The team that renders the opposing team's Flag Vehicle inoperable is the winner.


4-04 Conditions for a Loss
The referee equipment has determined a tank to be inoperable
All particpants have abandoned their tank
The Judges determine that a match cannot continue
(In the event that referee equipment declares a tank is still operable, the Judges may decide that the damage inflicted is still such that it cannot continue to operate)
The Judges determine that a rule violation has taken place

4-06
A tank may not be operated after it has been declared inoperable.
The participants will wait for the orders of the Judges, and comply with them as quickly as possible.

5 Prohibited Actions
a) Using unregulated equipment or parts
b) Voluntarily leaving the designated competition area
c) Firing directly on humans
d) Attacking a non-operable vehicle
e) Disrespecting the judges or other participants
f) Actions that are judged to be "throwing the match"
Engaging in any of the above acts will result in a disqualification.

6 Compensation
The Japan Panzerkraft League will provide compensation for all incidents involving structures, and for the restoration of landscape, within the boundaries of the competition field.

ErwinJA said:
Discussed in one of my earlier posts and on the first page IIRC. The prototype Porsche Tiger was slightly faster than the Henschel version, but either inferior or equal in every other category. The Henschel version was chosen because it did not require scarce materials needed for other applications (copper) and because it was much more reliable and agile. However, the one Porsche Tiger that saw combat had additional frontal armor added, so it would be better protected than a normal Tiger. That would give a rude shock to T-34s (especially the 85mm version) if they rushed head-on to get close only to find their rounds still bouncing off.
And for doctoring, it can't be done. The defining feature is that the turret is at the front of the hull rather than the middle. The only way to disguise that would be to keep the tank in a hull-down position.

zenjamibu said:

5 Prohibited Actions
f) Actions that are judged to be "throwing the match"

Interesting. vehicle in prototype trials by August 15, 1945(V day over Japan and the end of WWII) . That means Pzkpfw VI Tiger II, JagdTiger and of course Pzkpfw VII, Maus is eligible. Not to mention British A43 Black Prince (Possibly the best British tank, 17pdr as the Sherman Firefly with the Churchill armored hull) and maybe even the Centurions(there were prototype with the same 17 pdr as the Sherman Firefly). It will be great to see them on the competition esp the Maus.

zenjamibu said:
Found this on another forum. A more comprehensive translation of the rules of Sensha-do(Panzerkraft in this translation) that was in the giveouts from the GuP website. Some are still untranslated:

ErwinJA said:
The thing is that they seem to be Italian themed (Italian wartime performance has been a running gag for the past century), and a close inspection of the tanks reveals some sad units. Two of those vehicles are armed only with machine guns, and harmless to anything except maybe the Type 89. With that in mind, I'm more interested in how they got to the second round to begin with!

MrRogers said:

They faced the French team in the first round. (Insert surrender joke here)

Takuan_Soho said:


Easy enough:

Why is the Avenue des Champs-Elysees lined with trees? Because the German's like to march in the shade.

Q: What’s the new French flag look like?
A: A white cross emblazoned on a white background!

A man askes his companion, "What's the most common French expression"? His friend scratches his head, shrugs his shoulders and replies, "I give up!"

Rumor has it that those French tanks have 6 gears, 5 reverse and 1 forward. Just in case they're attacked from behind, that's where the forward gear comes in handy

no_good_name said:
For sale: A french rifle, never fired and only dropped once

Takuan_Soho said:


Hehe, gotta love those French Jokes: another one: what is the smallest history book in the world? French Military victories.

Though in the spirit of Edwin and bowing to Finland, it should be pointed out that the average French soldier was brave and fought well.

In the wars that they lost, the French soldiers fought with courage and to the death, people forget that they lost a lot of men in WWII because it seemed to happen so quickly. The real issue with the French wasn't their men, but rather their leadership, starting from their political leaders on down. With one or two exceptions, their military leaders were completely outclassed, and their political leaders were all too eager to surrender so that they could stay in power.

A good example of this would be the Franco-Prussian war. Napoleon III led his forces into a simple trap, Paris at that time revolted and formed the Paris Commune. They successfully held out against the Germans, until the French leaders (who hated the Commune more than the Germans), made a deal with the Germans to help defeat the Commune. Afterwords the French government massacred the members of the Commune. Some leadership, eh?

I think Communism is the dumbest and worse form of government thought of by man, but when you read mid 19th century history, you can easily see why so many people favored it.

okanagan said:


The railway company (Kashima Rinkai Railroad) is very excited about Episode 7 of GaruPan. They have a webpage which shows four stills from the long scene where the five girls take the train from Mako's grandmother's hospital back to the ship. Here it is:

http://www.rintetsu.co.jp/archives/3268

After the girls get off the train, as they are walking through the Ooarai train station, you can see a red sign in the background which says 大洗わいまい市場. This is advertising the Ooarai Maiwai Market. The five voice actresses made an appearance there as part of the festival on November 18th.

Here is the market website: http://www.oarai-maiwai.com/

Before the match against Gloriana, the Student Council President (Anzu) told Miho that, if they won, Miho would get a three day supply of sweet potato chips. It turns out that you can buy many kinds of these chips at this market. The website features them right at the top of their list of "Gem Products". See here: http://www.oarai-maiwai.com/products/detail.php?product_id=4

They are not cheap. So I think that Anzu was very generous to offer Miho a three day supply.

This series seems to be full of product placements. If there is some kind of tank that you don't see, my guess is that the tank manufacturer wasn't willing to pay the GaruPan producers enough.

okanagan said:
no_good_name said:
This series must be doing wonders for this cities tourism industry, is it true that GuP basically copied it?

They didn't BASICALLY copy it. They EXACTLY copied it! In the caption, the railway company tells you the precise spot on the railway line. And of course they also tell you the specific model of the train. I searched on Google Maps for the specific location of that scene and it is on a particularly lovely part of the rail line, not far from the ocean. Yes, it is an advertisement! I would love to go there.

The caption for the second picture gives the location as 鉾田市安塚地区. So it is close to the city called 鉾田市 in the district called 安塚地区. 市 means "city". 地区 means "district". You can locate it for yourself by going to http://maps.google.co.jp and entering these seven Japanese characters (cut and paste). It will take you to within 1 km from the exact spot! Look carefully at the lake in the background of the GaruPan scene. Then look carefully at the lake in Google Maps. By matching it, you can figure out where they were on the line. Unfortunately, they don't have any Google Street Views there. However, there are some nearby photos showing the lake, the tracks and a train apparently of the same type that the girls were riding on.

The only inaccurate thing in GaruPan is that Ooarai doesn't have the two enormous docks to accommodate the giant ships. Everything else is spot on.

okanagan said:
no_good_name said:
Well if i ever get rich i'm going to go there, import a tank and re-enact GuP and then promptly get arrested.....

It is a good idea. However, before you do it, make a deal with the GaruPan producers to get 10% of the merchandising rights for the T-shirts, action figures (of you) and limited edition items. Keep in mind that GaruPan souvenir action figures are correct even to the color and style of the underwear, so you should get that spelled out in the contract. You should also approach several manufacturers ( of World War II tanks ) as sponsors. Try Renault, Porsche, Henschel, Vauxhall, Mitsubishi, Českomoravská Kolben-Daněk . . .

nseika said:
Among the Anchovies, there's one yellow tank (behind the commander's) that looks really small. The hull length is probably only as long as the crew's body height.
Any information about the model ?

yngtadpole said:
I was felt so cheated when all they showed was the end of the battle loool. But I really loved learning more about Mako as well as about Miho's family situation.



Ok after digging around for 30 minutes. I think I finally found that tank you were referring to:


It took me the longest time because I kept thinking what was showing was the back of the tank and all of the light tanks that have those designs (mainly Japanese) with the track drive sprockets and smaller suspension bogie didn't have any rear guns that had dual barrels or even a turret that looked the same. But when i finally compared it to the front of a light tank, bingo, not only does the dual-barreled guns match, but the square hatch design that opens toward the back of the vehicle (or down in the Girls und Panzer screencap) as well.


Here we have it, the Italian CV 33/35 Tankette, Serie II. Since there are several versions, I'm unsure what type of machine guns were used. The pictures were taken from here and I basically looked at an old US Army poster training poster to find one with the right proportion and size bogies then tried to narrow it down by rear turrets, changing the feature to hull design when rear gun mounts failed, and googling every model that looked similar. xDD

no_good_name said:

Nice job but we already figured it out (post is a few pages back) god i admire your effort :) now find me dirty pictures of tiger tanks

yngtadpole said:


>.< Really? I just checked (cuz I was embarrased) and couldn't find it >.< I checked once before I posted very quickly and twice after. =<

Oh! Well I do have pictures of the tiger because someone asked me on my profile what was my favorite tank, and I ended up picking the Tiger after researching for a bit. haha xD

yngtadpole said:
I picked it because to me a tank has always been something that infantry fears and unstoppable, from WWI to now, that's to me what a tank is, and I thought the Tiger I fits that description the most. Used to cause panics in Allied ranks and apparently, Montgomery forbid anyone from talking about the prowess of the Tiger. It was as much a psychological weapon as a real threat. =o I used to be in a armored unit and to me tanks followed by jets probably the scariest thing to face as someone on the ground. I got to shoot two AT-4's but....it's kind of hard to aim. I missed both shots. I can't imagine having to do it under the pressure of having a tank bearing down on you. >.< Cuz if you don't kill it, you're so dead cuz you'll end up pissing off the crewmen inside, and then they aim their big gun at you. x.x

yngtadpole said:
Ok after digging around for 30 minutes. I think I finally found that tank you were referring to:

SayuriUliana said:


1. This particular image should clear up any doubts, it's the one I used to base my observations on. The lack of sloping track mudguards, the circular hatch on the side and the placement of the tools definitely point to it being a Tiger P.

no_good_name said:

Well i'm the annoying guy around here who loves the mighty tiger (and to a lesser extent the tiger 2 and Jagdtiger)

yngtadpole said:



I wanted to learn more about the Tiger (Porsche) variant. I was able to find some pictures of a 1/35 scale mockup that had the same entrenching tools as shown in the anime that qualifies as tank eye-candy. Enjoy. xD