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Oct 6, 2012 5:11 PM
#1
I was wonder if that is were a lot of the hype came. When I read the plot of the series it didn't seem to interesting but, people kept saying it would be great. After watching the first episodes I can't say it was that interesting at all. Why did people say it was good? Or rather does a solid and, interesting plot build up or is it just slice of life / fun school kids type deal? I know only the first episode is out but, I doubt I'll keep watching it if it's like this... I want to see if it's worth continuing over all |
Oct 6, 2012 5:15 PM
#2
Just relax, I wouldn't expect Clannad/AS was great due to its highschool life setting like many others out there. Basically they need time to show what they really have. |
Oct 6, 2012 5:16 PM
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Takana_no_Hana said: Just relax, I wouldn't expect Clannad/AS was great due to its highschool life setting, and like many others out there. Your right but, clannad was also something I didn't watch until my friend told me about the later portion of the plot. So I knew it was worth watching. I can't say i'm into slice of life series to much. |
Oct 6, 2012 5:26 PM
#4
There is a plot that comes, said plot was heavily foreshadowed in the first episode. I even picked up a few spoilers just watching that first episode. |
Oct 6, 2012 5:50 PM
#5
mitch3315 said: There is a plot that comes, said plot was heavily foreshadowed in the first episode. I even picked up a few spoilers just watching that first episode. I didn't notice anything particularly that could be considered plot pential points. If you don't mind can you post them? |
Oct 6, 2012 5:58 PM
#7
MidnightPride said: mitch3315 said: There is a plot that comes, said plot was heavily foreshadowed in the first episode. I even picked up a few spoilers just watching that first episode. I didn't notice anything particularly that could be considered plot pential points. If you don't mind can you post them? You would only notice them if you had played the VN, or had been spoiled about everything that happens already. Spoiler tagging them so no one can complain The opening scene with Kyousuke walking through the forest, and then the city lighting up infront of him is a foreshadowing of what's to come. Then there's the OP song which has some spoiler tastic lyrics. |
Oct 6, 2012 6:10 PM
#8
Midnight, I'll say the same thing about this as your friend did about Clannad: there's a bit of buildup, and then it goes into heavy drama, much like Clannad did with After Story. I'd say it may even be better than After Story - and I don't say that lightly. Of course, though, it depends on how J.C. Staff handles this adaption. |
Oct 6, 2012 6:41 PM
#9
Well, did you read Refrain? |
Oct 6, 2012 6:41 PM
#10
I haven't played the VN yet, but everyone's been saying that it's really good, so I want to play it too. Also, everything and I mean, EVERYTHING Maeda Jun writes is godly. I respect him so much, and I trust that Little Busters! will be as amazing as Angel Beats, Clannad/AS, Air, and Kanon. His stuff is always wonderful because they give you time to understand and put yourself in the characters' shoes, and his settings feel as if you're there. It's a little hard for me to explain, but that's how I felt while watching his works. He's really amazing, just be patient and watch. Also, I have a question, I'm curious so no flaming. Why do so many people think that JC Staff is so incapable? I think they handled their adaption of Bakuman very well, and stuff. Like I said, I'm just curious. |
Oct 6, 2012 6:49 PM
#11
Oct 6, 2012 6:52 PM
#12
ZetaZaku said: @UtsukushiiYume Look at their novel adaptations. Oh. I understand now. |
Oct 6, 2012 6:56 PM
#13
Isn't J.C. Staff the people who are doing the new Hayate Butler season? I also heard they do a amazing job at making terrible novel adapts. but, I heard they were good with VNs |
Oct 6, 2012 7:03 PM
#14
MidnightPride said: Isn't J.C. Staff the people who are doing the new Hayate Butler season? I also heard they do a amazing job at making terrible novel adapts. but, I heard they were good with VNs I sincerely hope they will do a good job with Little Busters! but their adaptation of Arcana Famiglia, tbh, was horrible. Okay, maybe not. It was okay, but I expected more since the original otome game/VN was absolutely amazing. |
Oct 6, 2012 7:21 PM
#15
@UtsukukushiiYume Not that I'm saying JC Staff is good or anything, but the way the VN was written makes Little Busters! really hard to adapt anyways. @MidnightPride All of Key works start out with comedy before moving onto drama (look at Clannad). Have patience. |
Oct 6, 2012 7:24 PM
#16
im waiting till its finished to start this, i just do not trust JC staff |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Oct 6, 2012 7:26 PM
#17
mitch3315 said: MidnightPride said: mitch3315 said: There is a plot that comes, said plot was heavily foreshadowed in the first episode. I even picked up a few spoilers just watching that first episode. I didn't notice anything particularly that could be considered plot pential points. If you don't mind can you post them? You would only notice them if you had played the VN, or had been spoiled about everything that happens already. Spoiler tagging them so no one can complain The opening scene with Kyousuke walking through the forest, and then the city lighting up infront of him is a foreshadowing of what's to come. Then there's the OP song which has some spoiler tastic lyrics. It may seem that way, but I can't really see it spoiling the anime only viewers. MidnightPride said: Isn't J.C. Staff the people who are doing the new Hayate Butler season? I also heard they do a amazing job at making terrible novel adapts. but, I heard they were good with VNs Manglobe is doing the new season, J.C. Staff did the last one. For some reason Hayate always has a different producer for each new series lol. And ya, J.C. may be hit and miss, but they have made some pretty solid adaptions in the past, favorite being Toradora. I'm glad they're on their game for this adaption, this looks like it will be my new favorite J.C. anime. ^^ |
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Oct 6, 2012 8:47 PM
#18
^The scene he mentioned and the Lyrics of the OP song are what you call "foreshadowing". But the whole VN had foreshadowing in spades through the whole thing but unless you were really on the ball you'd likely wouldn't jump from those clues to the actual events. I mean, who in their right mind would... would take a question like "do you want to know the truth of the world?" sriously when it's coming from the mouth of someone like Kyousuke who spends 90% of the time just messing around and playing. You never actually expect it to be for real. And there's a lot more things that seem like pointless details to you the first time but were actually important, like Riki mentioning the accident he read in a newspaper at the library and how he has never gone to the library or read the newspaper ever since. Pointless detail when you read it at first, yet not in hindsight. So, be it in the anime or the VN, you really aren't supposed to get it. It really won't start to become obvious until the Mio and Kurugaya routes which is why, though there's no particular route order, it really is better to tackle Komari's and Haruka's routes first (after Rin 1 anyway) and end with Mio's and Kurugaya's. |
Leon-GunOct 6, 2012 8:51 PM
Oct 6, 2012 10:12 PM
#19
I don't think it is just the visual novel that is causing the hype. Some people are more familiar with the Manga and I've had people suggesting I read the Manga long before this Anime adaptation of the VS came out. |
Oct 6, 2012 10:29 PM
#20
Yemi_Hikari said: I don't think it is just the visual novel that is causing the hype. Some people are more familiar with the Manga and I've had people suggesting I read the Manga long before this Anime adaptation of the VS came out. But LB manga wasn't really became popular to begin with or it's just overshadowed by the VN. |
Oct 6, 2012 10:30 PM
#21
As everyone else said, the story is amazing. As almost no one on here apparently knows judging from the episode 1 discussion, the first part of the stories from Key always build up characters before the drama unfolds in the second part (like with Clannad). It's like people are expecting a bunch of sad shit to happen right in the first episode. We've got a long way to go. I can't wait til people get bored and leave so the people who know what happens can stay here and talk about how great it is (unless JC screws it up towards the end, which they do a lot). |
Oct 6, 2012 11:06 PM
#22
MidnightPride said: I was wonder if that is were a lot of the hype came. When I read the plot of the series it didn't seem to interesting but, people kept saying it would be great. After watching the first episodes I can't say it was that interesting at all. Why did people say it was good? Or rather does a solid and, interesting plot build up or is it just slice of life / fun school kids type deal? I know only the first episode is out but, I doubt I'll keep watching it if it's like this... I want to see if it's worth continuing over all Are you new to Key works? you don't really expect a mind fck moment or a mood whiplash the first episodes right? What makes this story amazing is 1. the character DEVELOPMENT <takes at least 5 episodes right? or I'm guessing more> 2. the PLOT <which you can't really judge until you saw it UNTIL THE END> |
Oct 6, 2012 11:24 PM
#23
if you look only at episode one and nothing else you will see different things that people who know the story. As I was watching it I had huge smile on my face as it was going according to the story I know and love. What I wanted from this anime wasn't something new but the story that I love and readed many times. I even gave it 10/10 which is unthinkable to any other anime. Because if it goes like that it will deserve it :) |
Oct 7, 2012 12:04 AM
#24
Iniser said: @UtsukukushiiYume Not that I'm saying JC Staff is good or anything, but the way the VN was written makes Little Busters! really hard to adapt anyways. Yea, I was amazed how JC Staff was able to animate the fight sequence especially the scene with Sasami and Rin fighting. |
Oct 7, 2012 12:47 AM
#25
0_0 Guess this just isn't the kind of anime that would 'wow' someone new to the series in an episode. >.> watch on to see if you profit. drop it to gain nothing but time (but you don't lose anything either) |
Oct 7, 2012 1:13 AM
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Oct 7, 2012 1:26 AM
#27
Littlle Busters were nakige after all. "It's explained in wikipedia article about KEY like this: The developers at Tactics created a simple formula for a game: a comedic first half with a heart-warming romantic middle followed by a tragic separation and finally an emotional reunion formed what is known as a "crying game". The main purpose of such a game is to make the player feel for the characters and make them cry due to emotional scenarios which serves to leave a bigger impact on the player after the game is over." |
LOL |
Oct 7, 2012 7:03 AM
#28
When Kyousuke says "If only things could be like this forever" and everyone is surprised by it. |
Oct 7, 2012 7:07 AM
#29
Tr1ckR said: When Kyousuke says "If only things could be like this forever" and everyone is surprised by it. It's not that it has a deep meaning. It's just they know from the start that they can't be together forever once they become adults and finding a job so as if he's wishing for the impossible. |
Oct 7, 2012 7:22 AM
#30
Sa-chan_ said: Tr1ckR said: When Kyousuke says "If only things could be like this forever" and everyone is surprised by it. It's not that it has a deep meaning. It's just they know from the start that they can't be together forever once they become adults and finding a job so as if he's wishing for the impossible. Not only that, but you have to read "Refrain" to actually get the whole meaning. |
Oct 7, 2012 7:34 AM
#31
Keita00 said: Sa-chan_ said: Tr1ckR said: When Kyousuke says "If only things could be like this forever" and everyone is surprised by it. It's not that it has a deep meaning. It's just they know from the start that they can't be together forever once they become adults and finding a job so as if he's wishing for the impossible. Not only that, but you have to read "Refrain" to actually get the whole meaning. I already played Refrain and I know what are you trying to say. But I believe not only Masato and Kengo were surprised. Riki also. That's why I didn't explain the little information about Refrain. |
Oct 7, 2012 7:34 AM
#32
ahh ok, ive only read the VN up to the baseball match and though it might have something to do with what goes on later in the story. |
Oct 7, 2012 7:57 AM
#33
Sa-chan_ said: Keita00 said: Sa-chan_ said: Tr1ckR said: When Kyousuke says "If only things could be like this forever" and everyone is surprised by it. It's not that it has a deep meaning. It's just they know from the start that they can't be together forever once they become adults and finding a job so as if he's wishing for the impossible. Not only that, but you have to read "Refrain" to actually get the whole meaning. I already played Refrain and I know what are you trying to say. But I believe not only Masato and Kengo were surprised. Riki also. That's why I didn't explain the little information about Refrain. I think Riki's reaction is different from Masato's and Kengo's, slightly. Riki's sort of a revelation/surprise look whereas I thought Masato's and Kengo's are thinking of different things. Maybe it's reading too much into it having played Refrain but in my opinion there's some part of their expressions that make me think Masato and Kengo aren't making those looks for the same reason Riki is. |
Oct 7, 2012 8:39 AM
#34
Okay, so I've watched a playthrough/played the VN up to the part with the caterpillars in the tree, so I haven't gotten that far. But I have spoiled myself silly and know the general idea of the girls' routes and refrain. Everyone is talking about Kengo and Masato's reaction being different from Riki's so I have a question... Big spoiler. Seriously. Well, actually, it's not that big because I kept it as vague as possible, but still. Do Masato and Kengo know about... everything? Because if not, then why would their reaction be different? |
Oct 7, 2012 8:46 AM
#35
Amutofan123 said: Okay, so I've watched a playthrough/played the VN up to the part with the caterpillars in the tree, so I haven't gotten that far. But I have spoiled myself silly and know the general idea of the girls' routes and refrain. Everyone is talking about Kengo and Masato's reaction being different from Riki's so I have a question... Big spoiler. Seriously. Well, actually, it's not that big because I kept it as vague as possible, but still. Do Masato and Kengo know about... everything? Because if not, then why would their reaction be different? Simple answer: YES. |
Oct 7, 2012 9:15 AM
#36
Sa-chan_ said: Amutofan123 said: Okay, so I've watched a playthrough/played the VN up to the part with the caterpillars in the tree, so I haven't gotten that far. But I have spoiled myself silly and know the general idea of the girls' routes and refrain. Everyone is talking about Kengo and Masato's reaction being different from Riki's so I have a question... Big spoiler. Seriously. Well, actually, it's not that big because I kept it as vague as possible, but still. Do Masato and Kengo know about... everything? Because if not, then why would their reaction be different? Simple answer: YES. SERIOUSLY? I thought it was just Kyousuke. So does that mean everyone other than Rin and Riki know? Augh... This makes everything 10 times sadder. And it was already pretty freaking sad. |
Oct 7, 2012 9:25 AM
#37
Amutofan123 said: Sa-chan_ said: Amutofan123 said: Okay, so I've watched a playthrough/played the VN up to the part with the caterpillars in the tree, so I haven't gotten that far. But I have spoiled myself silly and know the general idea of the girls' routes and refrain. Everyone is talking about Kengo and Masato's reaction being different from Riki's so I have a question... Big spoiler. Seriously. Well, actually, it's not that big because I kept it as vague as possible, but still. Do Masato and Kengo know about... everything? Because if not, then why would their reaction be different? Simple answer: YES. SERIOUSLY? I thought it was just Kyousuke. So does that mean everyone other than Rin and Riki know? Augh... This makes everything 10 times sadder. And it was already pretty freaking sad. I'm a little at odds with it but I can pretty much guarantee that Kurugaya should also be aware of it considering her end before you get through Refrain. I would say the others have some idea but are not letting it go because REFRAIN SPOILS I thought the other ripples were more than just Kengo and Masato helping Kyousuke with upholding the worlds and the other girls in LB! helped too. Masato and Kengo have a much bigger role in knowing what's happening but I believe the girls are aware of what's happened. |
Oct 7, 2012 9:52 AM
#38
It gets praised as a masterpiece and has alot of hype surrounding it I'd say mainly because of the Refrain route in the visual novel. Sure, the common route and Rin2 are great and alot of people love the side routes even if they're not all that amazing, but Refrain is what takes it from good to great/masterpiece level, imo.It's the real gold of the VN(and hopefully the anime, if they don't try to rush it) where the main plot unfolds brilliantly and all the heavier drama and tear jerker moments are had.Think of it as the After Story to Clannad's first season quality wise. |
Oct 7, 2012 10:28 AM
#39
Amutofan123 said: Sa-chan_ said: Amutofan123 said: Okay, so I've watched a playthrough/played the VN up to the part with the caterpillars in the tree, so I haven't gotten that far. But I have spoiled myself silly and know the general idea of the girls' routes and refrain. Everyone is talking about Kengo and Masato's reaction being different from Riki's so I have a question... Big spoiler. Seriously. Well, actually, it's not that big because I kept it as vague as possible, but still. Do Masato and Kengo know about... everything? Because if not, then why would their reaction be different? Simple answer: YES. SERIOUSLY? I thought it was just Kyousuke. So does that mean everyone other than Rin and Riki know? Augh... This makes everything 10 times sadder. And it was already pretty freaking sad. Masato, Kyousuke and Kengo know. Rin and Riki don't. I don't know about any of the other characters. The VN isn't even clear about their involvement with the whole thing, so I'm confused on some things concerning the ending. |
Oct 7, 2012 10:45 AM
#40
mitch3315 said: MidnightPride said: mitch3315 said: There is a plot that comes, said plot was heavily foreshadowed in the first episode. I even picked up a few spoilers just watching that first episode. I didn't notice anything particularly that could be considered plot pential points. If you don't mind can you post them? You would only notice them if you had played the VN, or had been spoiled about everything that happens already. Spoiler tagging them so no one can complain The opening scene with Kyousuke walking through the forest, and then the city lighting up infront of him is a foreshadowing of what's to come. Then there's the OP song which has some spoiler tastic lyrics. Well, there's also Masato's and Kengo's reactions to what Kyousuke says about how he wished they could stay together, and even the ripples in the first few seconds of the episode. |
Oct 7, 2012 1:17 PM
#41
ClannadIsLove said: Amutofan123 said: Sa-chan_ said: Amutofan123 said: Okay, so I've watched a playthrough/played the VN up to the part with the caterpillars in the tree, so I haven't gotten that far. But I have spoiled myself silly and know the general idea of the girls' routes and refrain. Everyone is talking about Kengo and Masato's reaction being different from Riki's so I have a question... Big spoiler. Seriously. Well, actually, it's not that big because I kept it as vague as possible, but still. Do Masato and Kengo know about... everything? Because if not, then why would their reaction be different? Simple answer: YES. SERIOUSLY? I thought it was just Kyousuke. So does that mean everyone other than Rin and Riki know? Augh... This makes everything 10 times sadder. And it was already pretty freaking sad. Masato, Kyousuke and Kengo know. Rin and Riki don't. I don't know about any of the other characters. The VN isn't even clear about their involvement with the whole thing, so I'm confused on some things concerning the ending. Don't read if you don't want to be spoiled, really: They know. Every single time a route ends the girl would end it by saying things like "I want this happiness to last for a little while more" so they're aware it will end and that they have to let him go. Most of them aren't aware of how to control the world itself though, except for Mio and Kurugaya. I say Kurugaya is obvious considering the crap she pulls off (she can basically teleport from one place to another which is played as her special ability pretty much but she really is just bending the rules) and I say Mio knows pretty well because her plan all along in the dream world was to swap places with her imaginary friend. So she knows how to bend reality too, even though it's mostly because she has some psychological issues to begin with. Anyway, short answer: They know, but not all of them know how to change the world like Kyousuke. Outside of the 5 girls however, There's not a single clue anyone else in their class knew, they most likely just contributed small bits of power with the main characters being the biggest contributors. |
Oct 7, 2012 6:52 PM
#42
Leon-Gun said: ClannadIsLove said: Amutofan123 said: Sa-chan_ said: Amutofan123 said: Okay, so I've watched a playthrough/played the VN up to the part with the caterpillars in the tree, so I haven't gotten that far. But I have spoiled myself silly and know the general idea of the girls' routes and refrain. Everyone is talking about Kengo and Masato's reaction being different from Riki's so I have a question... Big spoiler. Seriously. Well, actually, it's not that big because I kept it as vague as possible, but still. Do Masato and Kengo know about... everything? Because if not, then why would their reaction be different? Simple answer: YES. SERIOUSLY? I thought it was just Kyousuke. So does that mean everyone other than Rin and Riki know? Augh... This makes everything 10 times sadder. And it was already pretty freaking sad. Masato, Kyousuke and Kengo know. Rin and Riki don't. I don't know about any of the other characters. The VN isn't even clear about their involvement with the whole thing, so I'm confused on some things concerning the ending. Don't read if you don't want to be spoiled, really: They know. Every single time a route ends the girl would end it by saying things like "I want this happiness to last for a little while more" so they're aware it will end and that they have to let him go. Most of them aren't aware of how to control the world itself though, except for Mio and Kurugaya. I say Kurugaya is obvious considering the crap she pulls off (she can basically teleport from one place to another which is played as her special ability pretty much but she really is just bending the rules) and I say Mio knows pretty well because her plan all along in the dream world was to swap places with her imaginary friend. So she knows how to bend reality too, even though it's mostly because she has some psychological issues to begin with. Anyway, short answer: They know, but not all of them know how to change the world like Kyousuke. Outside of the 5 girls however, There's not a single clue anyone else in their class knew, they most likely just contributed small bits of power with the main characters being the biggest contributors. So I don't get it, were all the girls on the bus accident as well? Were Riki and Rin going to be the ONLY two survivors of the entire baseball team? The VN never makes it clear who actually dies in the crash beside Kyousuke, Masato, and Kengo. Hell, I was wondering if the girls were even REAL or just parts of the alternate world Kyousuke created until the final scene when they show up. I was playing that at 5 A.M. though... I was kind of out of it and not realizing what happened until I read it up. |
Oct 7, 2012 7:07 PM
#43
ClannadIsLove said: were all the girls on the bus accident as well? Yes. ClannadIsLove said: Were Riki and Rin going to be the ONLY two survivors of the entire baseball team? Yes. ClannadIsLove said: The VN never makes it clear who actually dies in the crash beside Kyousuke, Masato, and Kengo. Actually, no one really died. All of them were unconscious. ClannadIsLove said: Hell, I was wondering if the girls were even REAL or just parts of the alternate world Kyousuke created until the final scene when they show up. Of course they are real. |
Oct 7, 2012 8:35 PM
#44
Only one episode, need to see more to where this will coming |
Oct 7, 2012 8:54 PM
#45
Sa-chan_ said: ClannadIsLove said: The VN never makes it clear who actually dies in the crash beside Kyousuke, Masato, and Kengo. Actually, no one really died. All of them were unconscious. Well, to be more specific, Masato and Kengo protected Rin and Riki hence why Rin and Riki were outside the bus and could flee. Kyousuke noticed the bus was leaking gas and was going to explode so he knew it was imposible for the others, who were unconcious, to escape before the explosion. Instead, they created the dream world. But yes, the real reason they were about to die was because the bus was gonna explode. They weren't dead yet. That's why Kyousuke calls the dream world a world between life and death and not an afterlife. |
Oct 7, 2012 10:27 PM
#46
ClannadIsLove said: So I don't get it, were all the girls on the bus accident as well? Were Riki and Rin going to be the ONLY two survivors of the entire baseball team? The VN never makes it clear who actually dies in the crash beside Kyousuke, Masato, and Kengo. Hell, I was wondering if the girls were even REAL or just parts of the alternate world Kyousuke created until the final scene when they show up. I was playing that at 5 A.M. though... I was kind of out of it and not realizing what happened until I read it up. Just to add to the previous answers, yes, the ALL of the girls were in the bus crash. The bus contained all of Riki and Rin's classmates (Kengo, Masato, Komari, Kud, Kurugaya, and Mio), Kyousuke (because he sneaked in the bus), and Haruka (because she didn't want to ride her class bus because of Kanata) |
Oct 7, 2012 10:38 PM
#47
dizzyworld2 said: ClannadIsLove said: So I don't get it, were all the girls on the bus accident as well? Were Riki and Rin going to be the ONLY two survivors of the entire baseball team? The VN never makes it clear who actually dies in the crash beside Kyousuke, Masato, and Kengo. Hell, I was wondering if the girls were even REAL or just parts of the alternate world Kyousuke created until the final scene when they show up. I was playing that at 5 A.M. though... I was kind of out of it and not realizing what happened until I read it up. Just to add to the previous answers, yes, the ALL of the girls were in the bus crash. The bus contained all of Riki and Rin's classmates (Kengo, Masato, Komari, Kud, Kurugaya, and Mio), Kyousuke (because he sneaked in the bus), and Haruka (because she didn't want to ride her class bus because of Kanata) I can't believe it took three people to get the correct answer... THANK YOU dizzyworld2. I've played through Refrain twice and made it clear I knew what happened. Dunno how/why Leon-Gun and Sa-chan responded like I haven't. Now it's just even sadder. I thought the rest of the people on the bus were random people, not the girls. I wonder if Kud died a painless death or if she got impaled and slowly bled until the bus exploded. That's something someone like her shouldn't have to go through... |
Oct 7, 2012 11:09 PM
#48
I dunno, I thought that was pretty much implied... since there's the fact the school bus that crashed contained only one class. The first clue you get about the truth is in Rin 1 (if you go by regular order), Riki says a whole class of students from their sister school died in a bus crash except for 2 people. besides, in most others japan-centered high school anime shows buses are always separated by class. I was just expanding on what Sa-chan mentioned. |
Oct 8, 2012 9:29 PM
#49
Leon-Gun said: I dunno, I thought that was pretty much implied... since there's the fact the school bus that crashed contained only one class. The first clue you get about the truth is in Rin 1 (if you go by regular order), Riki says a whole class of students from their sister school died in a bus crash except for 2 people. besides, in most others japan-centered high school anime shows buses are always separated by class. I was just expanding on what Sa-chan mentioned. You never specifically said that they were all there. That was all you had to say. You added in a bit more and threw me off. I'm someone who needs to be directly told to understand anything. Sa-chan's comment seemed almost insulting though. But that's just me, don't care much. I've seen the bus in the game (the CG scene) and I don't know Japanese culture as much so a few things threw me off. I remember when they read that newspaper that talked about the crash but I mean.. even so.. Knowing even the girls died was kinda bad. I mean the entire implication of the VN is the fact that their friendship of the original LB! died. Nothing ever really told me that the girls were real until the final scene. I was hoping they weren't since Mio is a bitch. I dunno, just something about it didn't connect. I know now though. Although none of them mention it in the end (in a way that says they were in it). I feel like they'd all worship Riki and Rin for saving them. That's just me. I loved the VN and the anime too. I'm just glad they all survived. EDIT: Forget the above, I just realized this: The main reason I didn't think the girls existed was because, well... Where the HELL were they during Refrain? If they weren't in the alternate reality it takes place in then they'd be in the real world, dying. Doesn't make sense. I know Komari shows up at the end but Haruka, Kud, Mio, etc. etc. don't appear in Refrain at all until the real world (bus accident). Another thing that gets me about the game: How did going into that "alternate world" that Rin and Riki make end up curing his narcolepsy? It was pretty vague on this. |
Malus92Oct 8, 2012 11:52 PM
Oct 9, 2012 1:59 AM
#50
ClannadIsLove said: Leon-Gun said: I dunno, I thought that was pretty much implied... since there's the fact the school bus that crashed contained only one class. The first clue you get about the truth is in Rin 1 (if you go by regular order), Riki says a whole class of students from their sister school died in a bus crash except for 2 people. besides, in most others japan-centered high school anime shows buses are always separated by class. I was just expanding on what Sa-chan mentioned. You never specifically said that they were all there. That was all you had to say. You added in a bit more and threw me off. I'm someone who needs to be directly told to understand anything. Sa-chan's comment seemed almost insulting though. But that's just me, don't care much. I've seen the bus in the game (the CG scene) and I don't know Japanese culture as much so a few things threw me off. I remember when they read that newspaper that talked about the crash but I mean.. even so.. Knowing even the girls died was kinda bad. I mean the entire implication of the VN is the fact that their friendship of the original LB! died. Nothing ever really told me that the girls were real until the final scene. I was hoping they weren't since Mio is a bitch. I dunno, just something about it didn't connect. I know now though. Although none of them mention it in the end (in a way that says they were in it). I feel like they'd all worship Riki and Rin for saving them. That's just me. I loved the VN and the anime too. I'm just glad they all survived. EDIT: Forget the above, I just realized this: The main reason I didn't think the girls existed was because, well... Where the HELL were they during Refrain? If they weren't in the alternate reality it takes place in then they'd be in the real world, dying. Doesn't make sense. I know Komari shows up at the end but Haruka, Kud, Mio, etc. etc. don't appear in Refrain at all until the real world (bus accident). Another thing that gets me about the game: How did going into that "alternate world" that Rin and Riki make end up curing his narcolepsy? It was pretty vague on this. The girls helped Kyousuke, Masato and Kengo to create the world, but in the Refrain world, they basically became background characters helping to support the world since their part had already been played. Of course they would still be in the school, but because the Refrain world is focused on Riki and Rin, they don't play an active part in it. That's why Komari says she is selfish for wanting to stay in the world a little longer, because she knows she will die when the Refrain world collapses. Riki's narcolepsy is not cured in the alternate world of Kyousuke, I believe he cured it by creating his own world with Rin after witnessing everyone dying. Essentially it's Key Magic. |
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