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Jul 22, 2012 9:18 PM

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Todd_Jensen said:
Both of the girls on the cover will be wet for the MC by the time this is over. Count on it.


Hopefully because they are both really annoying, the MC is the reason why I keep watching this how.
 
Jul 22, 2012 9:24 PM
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lol wow im really surprised at all the yui love going on. since the introduction of the MC ive been on his side. sure he needs to let it go but she is a massive bitch and you really cant deny that. she should take it down a notch and stop downgrading his talents even though he could prolly beat her ass in an american vehicle which i hope he does. she needs to be brought back down. if they have a showdown and bridges doesnt win im gonna be just straight up disgusted with the anime. they really shouldnt have brought in this nationality thing cause it gets to heated while your watching.
 
Jul 22, 2012 9:30 PM

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antonn said:
Were the issues he was having with the TSF from Takeru's OS?


While the XM3 might be in development at this point it wouldn't be in circulation yet so it isn't that. Japanese TSFs are just more fickle compared to American TSFs and it takes a lot of getting used to from switching over. That's partly because of the difference in combat philosophy but also because the US generally makes better machines. The Shiranui is a 3rd generation machine but the Strike Eagle can match it in TSF vs TSF combat and the Raptor easily surpasses it. Japan began creating the Shiranui 2nd because they knew that the Shiranui needed an update to match the Raptor.
 
Jul 22, 2012 9:41 PM
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antonn said:
Were the issues he was having with the TSF from Takeru's OS?


While the XM3 might be in development at this point it wouldn't be in circulation yet so it isn't that. Japanese TSFs are just more fickle compared to American TSFs and it takes a lot of getting used to from switching over. That's partly because of the difference in combat philosophy but also because the US generally makes better machines. The Shiranui is a 3rd generation machine but the Strike Eagle can match it in TSF vs TSF combat and the Raptor easily surpasses it. Japan began creating the Shiranui 2nd because they knew that the Shiranui needed an update to match the Raptor.


so the american version is better? why is he not driving one of those considering he is more suited for it.
 
Jul 22, 2012 9:50 PM

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I wonder how the seiyuu feel about insulting their own race...
 
Jul 22, 2012 9:52 PM
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Bridges would probably kick Yui's ass in the next ep, and they will make peace with each other and there will be Cryska, Yuuya, Yui love triangle according to my prediction lol.
 
Jul 22, 2012 9:56 PM

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so the american version is better? why is he not driving one of those considering he is more suited for it.


Well the main point of Total Eclipse isn't fighting the BETA since this is just a side story. The base they're at is mostly for testing various TSFs and weapons. That's why you see a wide variety of TSFs all at once. So they aren't aiming to deploy him against BETA, but just to see how well the Shiranui 2nd does as a machine. Yui already has her Takemikazuchi to use. The pilots in TE are merely there to see if the machine works out before models are sent into real combat by other pilots.

Also the TSF Yuuya is using now is merely a training suit used to help pilots adapt to the demands of a 3rd generation TSF before they become pilots. Although in actual performance it's below a 3rd generation. It's more like a 2nd or 2.5th generation TSF, but the OS/UI is also watered down as well since it's not made for combat purposes.
 
Jul 22, 2012 10:22 PM

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LOL @ People saying Yui is a bitch.

Have you not seen the episodes with her piloting the same thing Yuuya is piloting now? Seeing her friends getting killed?

Do you not think she's yelling at him so he'll stop being so macho and maybe, you know, not get killed because he thinks he's better than he is?
 
Jul 22, 2012 10:41 PM
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LOL @ People saying Yui is a bitch.

Have you not seen the episodes with her piloting the same thing Yuuya is piloting now? Seeing her friends getting killed?

Do you not think she's yelling at him so he'll stop being so macho and maybe, you know, not get killed because he thinks he's better than he is?


But he's better than she is, and she's insulting him instead of just giving constructive criticism.
 
Jul 22, 2012 10:42 PM
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Yui is at the moment not bitchy at all, she's just being strict to others since she experienced crazy shits back then. Yuuya is a talented man but I doubt he ever got the same experience as Yui, American eishi ain't as hard ass as japanese since they didn't get invaded by BETA except Canada which was already nuked.
P/S: Haven't seen any guys as good at piloting as Takeru so far, maybe Yuuya will be later on.
 
Jul 22, 2012 10:56 PM

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I thought this ep was good since we got to see more of why Yuuya holds a grudge against Japan and also we got to see a Fubuki ^^
 
Jul 22, 2012 11:04 PM

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wow she became a mega bitch. she just comes at him completely hostile, and doesn't say anything to the others. she needs to be smacked. I don't get people siding with her. she could be harsh, but not a complete bitch about it.

The one Russian chick is a bitch too, I'm guessing she'll eventually warm up with the other girl.
 
Jul 22, 2012 11:42 PM

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the stereotype in this is unbelievable, wow, just wow, other then that the only person im starting to like is Esign for his lay back attitude,


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Jul 23, 2012 12:44 AM

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I know many people will not like nationalism issues, lol.

Well, anyway, this is the expected-usual early development of any Muv Luv stories. Training, mock fights and some idealism crash. The question is that will we get to the next stage of story.
 
Jul 23, 2012 1:37 AM

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I see a lot of people siding with Yui... if you disregard the nationality part of their hostility for each other, Yui is the one being a bitch here. First mock battle, first thing she says is basically "you suck". Then she gives him a god damn crappy TSF for the next one and once again tells him he sucks... yeah, Bridges' Jap hate is pretty silly IMO, but so is the Japanese arrogance that Yui has. Oh well, hopefully they end up together sooner or later :o


The first two episode really help me understand Yui's actions and words, especially the part about the training being a game and her claim about excuses. Her so called arrogance derives from her not wanting to repeat the same mistakes: her naivete and her lack of understanding the BETA resulted in a near-death experience and a psychological atom bomb. She's saving Bridges' life the hard way.

The main character, on the other hand, seems like a generic angst-filled childhood lead. I haven't noticed anything interesting about him at all. Meanwhile, the side characters remain side characters, but every scene with Yui is a gem for me!


Well yeah, I know. Since the two first episode was Yui backstory, we get sympathy for her, and understand her better. I understand her actions, but just as Yuuya needs to drop his petty unfounded hate for the japanese, she needs to get off her high japanese horse.

I guess I'm overreacting a little bit, but truth is that the Fubuki is junk. It's a training TSF for a reason, and it IS a very sensitive TSF, so that you wouldn't perform very well after switching from a god damn Raptor to a Fubuki isn't weird at all, lol. It's like the engineer dude said, american and japanese TSF are really different since they are made with different tactics in mind.

Still, I dislike his attitude, too, so I'm not exactly a fan of him it's just that the Yui love is through the roof due to the first 2 episodes, so even though they are both acting quite poorly and not getting over their race/nationality, Yui is the one that gets the sympathy.

PS: I love Yui too, I'm just realizing that she isn't perfect. Lol.


But you see there lies the problem with what you say. That TSF isn't junk at all. It works perfectly fine like any other TSF would and even Japanese newbies use them. She knows very well since she herself and other girls used them at high-school age.
So an experience pilot like he is suppose to be should just shut-up and adapt to the machine and learn to control it. He can't claim that a machine that even schoolgirls can handle is a piece of junk that can't be controlled.

Anyway all this tension will probably result in his dick getting harder and her pussy getting wetter as he starts to understand her and she starts to see his progress.


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She's just being a bitch and insulting the guy and his piloting skills and trying to demean him just because he has no experience in combat with beta?


No she ain't trying to demean him because he has no big experience with BETA she's trying to shock his ass so he can realize what his into before he gets face to face with the BETA and give him the waking up call instead. His lucks of BETA combat makes him naive of their horror and she's trying to wake him up before is too late.

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To me this just seems like butthurt because her friends all got killed because they ignored their combat instructors and talked about their boyfriends.


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Jul 23, 2012 1:45 AM

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To me this whole racial tension aspect of the recent Total Eclipse episode reminds me of post-WWII mentality that people in America had of the Japanese. Considering that history took a much different route by the 1960's the changes in our timeline that promoted Multiculturalism probably wasn't as strong, as Nationalism was more favored over globalization.

This was probably due to countries as a whole fighting for their survival and therefore stoking national unity. This was kinda portrayed in the Alternative VN, where most of the refugee volunteers wanted to fight in order to retake their homelands so to speak.

Plus this occurred in the middle of the Cold War, with humanity divided into two major camps and also America is mostly focused on the Post-BETA world, while most countries looked upon the short term issues of pushing the BETA out of Earth.

I kinda feel bad for Yuuya in this way, he would have more than likely not gotten the bad rap from Yui if the data from his F-22 days was transferable to the Japanese TSF's. The XM3 was truly revolutionary in such ways. Also I agree with some of the previous posts. It would have made more sense to explain that close combat is a tactic that is vital for anti-BETA tactics due to ammo limits rather than stoking Yuuya's bi-racial fears.

Still doesn't TE go past Alternative? What other SS go past that? It would be nice to know the post Primary Hive efforts to clear the Earth of BETA.
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Jul 23, 2012 2:00 AM

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Still doesn't TE go past Alternative? What other SS go past that? It would be nice to know the post Primary Hive efforts to clear the Earth of BETA.


I believe TE's events barely extend into the beginning of Alternative's. From what I remember there's a story in Alternative Chronicles that takes place a year or so after Alternative in which it shows the attack on objective 20 (which was the hive that was supposed to be taken prior to the Original Hive in Alternative before the plan changed) and that's about it.
 
Jul 23, 2012 2:34 AM

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man so much discrimination! :C
 
Jul 23, 2012 3:13 AM

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Looks like a new unit will be introduced. This episode looks like showcase of MC's disability. He has a sword in the back of his TSF but never used it. At least use a knife while on it. Lack of aim, waste of ammo, I can see why Yui mads with him. And i bet he never saw frontline full of BETAs, given how suprised he is. Looks like next episode will show Yui kicks around his pride as pilot.
 
Jul 23, 2012 3:49 AM

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I really want to give this show a 7 or higher but it's just so grounded in the 5/6 area right now...
I like the second generation Japanese American aspect, it's a little refreshing.
 
Jul 23, 2012 4:52 AM

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I like it how Yui always appears where Yuuya is, finding a reason to scold him.






 
Jul 23, 2012 5:36 AM

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wow she became a mega bitch. she just comes at him completely hostile, and doesn't say anything to the others. she needs to be smacked. I don't get people siding with her. she could be harsh, but not a complete bitch about it.

The one Russian chick is a bitch too, I'm guessing she'll eventually warm up with the other girl.

Yea, fuck that bitch, hopefully literally near the final episodes. Strict my ass, she's just being a bitch. Can't lie, when she said that shit about being a disgrace to the japanese, she would have gotten a swollen jaw from me.
 
Jul 23, 2012 6:34 AM

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Great episode, this is very promising.
I'm looking forward to the next episode.
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Jul 23, 2012 6:43 AM

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At least better than previous episode. And Yui's bitchiness is getting too damn annoying. Hobbit girl becomes less annoying, but still annoying.

3.5/5
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Jul 23, 2012 8:27 AM

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Weird scene with the Scarlet Twins and Bridges whatnot. Eh, good ep 4/5 I think.Also, I so much prefer Takamura with long hair, for it makes her so much sexier. =P
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Jul 23, 2012 8:40 AM

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I like the general storyline and setup of this series, but I wished they focused less on national stereotypes and differences. You would have thought than under invasion from an alien species, we would all be just 'humans' again.

Defiantly agree with that you'd think people would realize at least we are all from the same planet, but people can be very petty and hold grudges for a long time so i can see why they wouldn't stop with looking at everyone's differences.
 
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What an EPIC battle of words between Ono Daisuke VS Nakahara Mai but Yui owned Yuuya more. Next ep, maybe will see them fight on a real combat battle between them.
 
Jul 23, 2012 9:19 AM

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This anime is seriously twisted :|. But so intriguing. I'm all curious about relationship between Bridges and Takamura... Hm, I just wonder how many episodes has this anime... I don't want it to get wasted just because there's not enough time to show everything.
 
Jul 23, 2012 11:46 AM
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This anime is seriously twisted :|. But so intriguing. I'm all curious about relationship between Bridges and Takamura... Hm, I just wonder how many episodes has this anime... I don't want it to get wasted just because there's not enough time to show everything.


24 or something around that.
 
Jul 23, 2012 12:09 PM

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Right. Next episode will finally let Yui kick Yuuya's ass, it seems.
I like Yuuya's overall attitude though. Hope he can learn some productive lessons from Yui.

But on a low side, I'm neither Japanese nor American, but I just hate racism this show is implying.
I hope they will try to express it in a more pleasant way.
 
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There seems to be some kind of yuri thing with these scarlet twins.
 
Jul 23, 2012 2:38 PM

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Some more story about the characters
The racial thing was interesting, although the Japanese seem to pay for WW2 even in the far future
The tensions between nations still seems to stand from the cold war
 
Jul 23, 2012 3:08 PM

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I was very anxious to see the next episode but this just disappointed me. Not enough plot development.
 
Jul 23, 2012 3:25 PM

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He wanders off following Iori into a top secret Russian facility where the twins are kept , only to get interrogated by some "bad Soviets".

Pretty interesting, yet not very entertaining so far. I hope Yuuya masters the Japanese machine soon. Otherwise he'll keep on disappointing Yui.
 
Jul 23, 2012 5:50 PM

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Right. Next episode will finally let Yui kick Yuuya's ass, it seems.
I like Yuuya's overall attitude though. Hope he can learn some productive lessons from Yui.

But on a low side, I'm neither Japanese nor American, but I just hate racism this show is implying.
I hope they will try to express it in a more pleasant way.

Expressing racism in a pleasant way? How does that work?

This show clearly needs more naked Venus.
 
Jul 23, 2012 7:40 PM

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A nice episode that gives background information on our MC's. Could have done better but I expect nothing less. Also is the nest episode a reference to the movie "The Right Stuff?"
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I normally don't care for this type of anime but for some reason I'm intrigued by this series. This episode I didn't enjoy too much, but I see the potential in this series!

Next episode I can almost guarantee it will be Takamura piloting that same training mech that Bridges thinks is a POS and Bridges piloting an American made model, with Takamura kicking his ass in the end.
I will be SHOCKED if that's not what'll happen! :)
 
Jul 24, 2012 12:44 AM

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Wasabi said:
KaitoDash said:
But on a low side, I'm neither Japanese nor American, but I just hate racism this show is implying.
I hope they will try to express it in a more pleasant way.

Expressing racism in a pleasant way? How does that work?

So far I have a feeling that the show is portraying American as racists against Japanese, which means that whoever in charge of this show (Japanese) is kind of a racist against American. They express the two countries in a way that makes American looks extremely bad for their racism and makes Japanese looks so good for their humbleness and whatever. And I don't appreciate this at all. I think they should not try so hard to show Japanese greatness.

I don't know. I might be over-thinking things.
 
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now this series started kicking the right way...
Yuya Bridges in one episode sinked to oblivion all male protagonists of the present season.
 
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KaitoDash said:
Wasabi said:
KaitoDash said:
But on a low side, I'm neither Japanese nor American, but I just hate racism this show is implying.
I hope they will try to express it in a more pleasant way.

Expressing racism in a pleasant way? How does that work?

So far I have a feeling that the show is portraying American as racists against Japanese, which means that whoever in charge of this show (Japanese) is kind of a racist against American. They express the two countries in a way that makes American looks extremely bad for their racism and makes Japanese looks so good for their humbleness and whatever. And I don't appreciate this at all. I think they should not try so hard to show Japanese greatness.

I don't know. I might be over-thinking things.


Well, at the same time as they show americans as being bad, Yui suffers from the Japanese arrogance, which, in my opinion, is almost as bad as the racism. But yeah, in the Muv Luv universe, the Americans are asses, that's the way it's written - so you do have a point.
 
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maxie said:
KaitoDash said:
Wasabi said:
KaitoDash said:
But on a low side, I'm neither Japanese nor American, but I just hate racism this show is implying.
I hope they will try to express it in a more pleasant way.

Expressing racism in a pleasant way? How does that work?

So far I have a feeling that the show is portraying American as racists against Japanese, which means that whoever in charge of this show (Japanese) is kind of a racist against American. They express the two countries in a way that makes American looks extremely bad for their racism and makes Japanese looks so good for their humbleness and whatever. And I don't appreciate this at all. I think they should not try so hard to show Japanese greatness.

I don't know. I might be over-thinking things.


Well, at the same time as they show americans as being bad, Yui suffers from the Japanese arrogance, which, in my opinion, is almost as bad as the racism. But yeah, in the Muv Luv universe, the Americans are asses, that's the way it's written - so you do have a point.


YAMATO DAMASHII is fine if you're Ikaruga though. But Walken was a pretty cool guy for an American. At least I thought so. By the end of Alternative I think most people should be able to understand the US's support of G-bombs and other such flaws, Takeru was able to see their reasoning in it. Not only that, but it goes out of its way to mention that not all American's are like this (many of them supported Susanoo/Alternative IV instead.)

Although I admit their usage of refugees over their own troops is a bit cowardly, as is their lack of S-11's, but how many American made suits are even sent on hive infiltrations? Most infiltrations haven't been done by American's so the S-11 wouldn't be as useful. I think most countries would also probably rather field refugees over their own men if they could... And even if America played a part in it, Japan was the one who needed a coup d'etat to unify itself. So yeah, nobody is perfect in the Muv-Luv universe.
 
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What i don't understand here was the hatred against the Japanese even after reading some of the commends posted it's almost like there is still hatred left from WW2 here but then the Germans and that Italian guy should be hated as well.
And it wasn't only the Americans who seemed to have a form of hatred against the Japanese but also the Russians.
Also the words they used all came down to the Japanese being cowards who use underhanded techniques yet as far as i know of Japanese there pretty much the opposite of that.

I also have questions about the units.
The units they showed last episode all appeared to be older units i won't call them outdated but it's a bit strange for them to be on a test side for new units.
I mean if this was 2001 why isn't there a Eurofighter Typhoon or a Sukhoi su30 especially since the F-22 Raptor was mentioned.
 
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KaitoDash said:
Wasabi said:
KaitoDash said:
But on a low side, I'm neither Japanese nor American, but I just hate racism this show is implying.
I hope they will try to express it in a more pleasant way.

Expressing racism in a pleasant way? How does that work?

So far I have a feeling that the show is portraying American as racists against Japanese, which means that whoever in charge of this show (Japanese) is kind of a racist against American. They express the two countries in a way that makes American looks extremely bad for their racism and makes Japanese looks so good for their humbleness and whatever. And I don't appreciate this at all. I think they should not try so hard to show Japanese greatness.

I don't know. I might be over-thinking things.
It's possible. He is not the only one. We can correlate that on Jinrui and the creator's hatred for anime declining humanity.

As strange as it seems there seems to be a strong voicing out of creators or directors in anime to make clear some of their discontent.

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What i don't understand here was the hatred against the Japanese even after reading some of the commends posted it's almost like there is still hatred left from WW2 here but then the Germans and that Italian guy should be hated as well.
And it wasn't only the Americans who seemed to have a form of hatred against the Japanese but also the Russians.
Also the words they used all came down to the Japanese being cowards who use underhanded techniques yet as far as i know of Japanese there pretty much the opposite of that.

I also have questions about the units.
The units they showed last episode all appeared to be older units i won't call them outdated but it's a bit strange for them to be on a test side for new units.
I mean if this was 2001 why isn't there a Eurofighter Typhoon or a Sukhoi su30 especially since the F-22 Raptor was mentioned.


I'm pretty sure the Eagle's, while old, are using special parts. It actually makes sense, because the Eagle has been the mainstay for a lot of forces and the US still produces and fields an incredible number of them. So furthering development for them would be a logical step since the Raptor hasn't been produced in nearly as high a quantity. They also have an Active Eagle with them which uses technology from the F-22 for example.
 
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Finally watched the episode and i don't see why everyone hate Yui and not Yuuya. Seriously, he's a dick because he had hard childhood? Okay.
Yui wasn't completely right though, i agree with most of things she said but him being a disgrace for Japan was rather out of place and unrelated. He's an American solder to begin with, there's no point in comparing him with Japanese army just because he's a halfbreed.

Also so much QUALITY this episode, the TSF are the only good-looking thing now.
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Finally watched the episode and i don't see why everyone hate Yui and not Yuuya. Seriously, he's a dick because he had hard childhood? Okay.

This.

IMO Yui is doing a good thing because she's trying to make him give it his best. She is trying to force him to suck up his pride (his "I'm an American so I don't want to have anything to do with Japanese stuff" attitude was shown more than once) and actually do his best. Instead of cheering him up, she yells at him and tells him he has no talent. It was as if she was daring him to prove her wrong so I don't really see why would she be the "bad" one. She clearly cares about him (getting him out and always being there when he's down) she's just trying to make him more determined and not to blame everything on his TSF.

That aside. The episode was equal to the previous one in quality (not a good thing). So far, Yuuya completely fails as the lead for me. He just whines and complains about everything. I don't see anything interesting about him and in a time of war with most of humanity gone, I don't understand why sad childhood should be something to note. I'm pretty sure about eveyone had a sad childhood in a way. Some main characters got demoted to side characters, Inia and Cryska (or whatever their names are) are pretty interesting, I liked the bathing scene. :-3 I wonder how the hell he could just walk into a top secret area. National stereotypes are really strong with this episode. Usually, I don't mind it too much but this is really overdone. Russians/Soviets are those who first shoot/torture and then ask, Japanese are seemingly cold and proud, Americans are rasists and it goes on and on. The side characters too, tsundere, yamato nadeshiko, etc. Everyone in this show is a stereotype. It just feels wrong. I can't really like anyone knowing there's nothing else to them than that.

Seriously, I wanna see the same action we saw in the first 2 episodes not character focused plot without any character development.
 
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Seriously, I wanna see the same action we saw in the first 2 episodes not character focused plot without any character development.


That's why there's 26 episodes.
 
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Muv-Luv-er said:
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Seriously, I wanna see the same action we saw in the first 2 episodes not character focused plot without any character development.


That's why there's 26 episodes.
It's 26 or 2 cour?

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Yumekichi11 said:
Muv-Luv-er said:
HikaruIzumi said:
Seriously, I wanna see the same action we saw in the first 2 episodes not character focused plot without any character development.


That's why there's 26 episodes.
It's 26 or 2 cour?


There's 24 eps and bonus footage.

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Yumekichi11 said:
KaitoDash said:
Wasabi said:
KaitoDash said:
But on a low side, I'm neither Japanese nor American, but I just hate racism this show is implying.
I hope they will try to express it in a more pleasant way.

Expressing racism in a pleasant way? How does that work?

So far I have a feeling that the show is portraying American as racists against Japanese, which means that whoever in charge of this show (Japanese) is kind of a racist against American. They express the two countries in a way that makes American looks extremely bad for their racism and makes Japanese looks so good for their humbleness and whatever. And I don't appreciate this at all. I think they should not try so hard to show Japanese greatness.

I don't know. I might be over-thinking things.
It's possible. He is not the only one. We can correlate that on Jinrui and the creator's hatred for anime declining humanity.

As strange as it seems there seems to be a strong voicing out of creators or directors in anime to make clear some of their discontent.

BOTH ARE BAD! While one makes anime look bad no matter what this one makes a DISGUSTING reality being tried to be eliminated resurface. This truly is sad to hear.

Your critique of the this is one of the reason why the original trilogy was not animated, the sponsors were afraid of such.

The Muv-Luv series, generally contains many conservative ideals, and many patriotic and nationalistic themes. The Japanese not being westernized and retaining their goverment, heroic sacrifices for the human race and their country (Alternative), political infighting (Coup, Alternative), America supporting Babylon and trying to stop Yuuko's Alternative plans (Alternative), America being nuke hungry (G-Bombs in Alternative), CIA agents purposely worsening the Coup, CIA sabotaging TSF of a American Soldier (Walken Is the Best Mabu Ravu).
 
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