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Oct 4, 2008 3:37 AM
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Well that was interesting.
So Raphaela and Luciela is that strong huh. Maybe even stronger than the Abyssal ones.
Oct 4, 2008 4:59 AM
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Rubel reveals himself to be a magnificent bastard, even though his schemes didn't go as planned.

More intrigue is always good.
Oct 4, 2008 7:42 AM
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lordshadowisle said:
Rubel reveals himself to be a magnificent bastard, even though his schemes didn't go as planned.

More intrigue is always good.


Haha, that was exactly what I was thinking. He definitely has one twisted thinking mind. I actually like it that he indirectly tries to direct the decisions of people. Luckily Claire - or so I think - is clever enough to see behind it, for the most part anyway.

Well, I want to see the twins awakened and an epic battle between them and the Abysmal One. Should be interesting if that happens.
Oct 4, 2008 9:00 AM
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well i thought rubel might be good but in turn he just turns out to be a spy. interesting twist, but he still wants clare and them to die. im glad clare can see through his deception with all the info he is giving them.
Oct 4, 2008 9:23 AM
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Damnit.. sometimes I fish I can forget about this manga for like one year..
Oct 4, 2008 9:50 AM
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well, Rafaela and Luciela were supposed to be like Alicia and Beth but they didn't work because they weren't twins. So if each of them has the power of an abyssal, don't you think a combined form of the two would be even stronger? Even though technically Luciela is dead and Rafaela's mind will have taken over, the strength of their two bodies will be stronger than one alone.

And Rubel... well that was unexpected.
Oct 4, 2008 10:01 AM
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While I am happy for all the revelations in this chapter, all the talking got boring rather fast.



Oct 4, 2008 10:10 AM
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I liked it, I'm actively rooting for Renee to escape or to pull some trick out and to escape. Though I don't think it terrible likely, But if Raphaela/Lucilia-fusion-thing wakes up that would be big enough for a diversion methinks.

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While I am happy for all the revelations in this chapter, all the talking got boring rather fast.


Agreed, I was waiting for someone to throw a punch or for Rubel to show off some Yoma implants or something along those lines. But talk they did, and fade; my interest did. The final few lines got my attention back. I think something nasty's going to happen to Rubel, he's trying to play too many sides.

I wouldn't mind cutting to Helen and Deneve sometime soon though.
Oct 4, 2008 11:11 AM
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Agreed, I was waiting for someone to throw a punch or for Rubel to show off some Yoma implants or something along those lines. But talk they did, and fade; my interest did. The final few lines got my attention back. I think something nasty's going to happen to Rubel, he's trying to play too many sides.



I kind of got the hunch that he is something like those dragonkin things they were talking about a while back that the Organization fights on the mainland since he is never shocked and always seems to find people that are hidden
Oct 4, 2008 12:58 PM

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So are they gonna kill him or what?
Oct 4, 2008 9:29 PM
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Fairly interesting and informative chapter involving Rubel. Next chapter should be interesting also. :)
Oct 5, 2008 2:00 AM

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Interesting developments revealed in this chapter. Now I want to know about the mainland more.
Oct 5, 2008 3:04 AM

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Haha, what a sneaky little schemer Rubel is! I always expected something of the sort about him ever since I saw his cunning smile in the first volumes :) With all these great conspiracies at work and now even some spy business the series is starting to remind Metal Gear Solid more and more (Rubel would be Ocelot lol ^^)

Pretty interesting development anyway.
Oct 5, 2008 5:49 AM

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As usual, great chapter.

It is probably hopeless for Rene to escape from Riful's grasp, but I do have to admire her willingness to not give up hope. And Rubel, full of intriguing revelations from him.
Oct 6, 2008 1:15 AM

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I hope Renee can make it out before that fusion wakes up and opens the gates of hell. Rubel's one slimy bastard.
Oct 6, 2008 5:59 AM

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As usual, i cannot wait until the next chapter.

They are easy pickings for the organization? i hope not.. i want the organization to die.
Oct 7, 2008 6:38 AM

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spies.... its not complicated enough?
Oct 7, 2008 5:07 PM

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Good chapter, but the monthly thing is a killer.
Oct 7, 2008 6:59 PM
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it should be semi-monthly as soon as possible. The story is nowhere near the end. It can go a good 30 chapters at least....
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The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.
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Oct 8, 2008 1:54 PM

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Damn, really didn't see that one coming. Thought Rubel was going to turn them in orso somehow. XD
Oct 17, 2008 8:38 AM

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Desian said:
spies.... its not complicated enough?


Haha so true, it doesn't help that it's released every month. I near on forget everyone's name by the time a new chapters released =/ i need a flowchart or something lol
Oct 18, 2008 2:36 AM

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Desian said:
spies.... its not complicated enough?


Haha so true, it doesn't help that it's released every month. I near on forget everyone's name by the time a new chapters released =/ i need a flowchart or something lol


ROFL, I forget people's names so much too.

So just for clarification.
1) Rubel is a spy for the group that's against the organization on the main land.
2) Rubel wants the organization to be crushed but doesn't wish to interfere till the org is at the brink of collapsing. Which could take years.
3) Rubel helps Clare's group and other semi-awaken claymores but at the same time doesn't want them to exist since it goes against what his side wants.

So in the end, Rubel has to die or else he will turn into Clare and crew's new enemy.
Oct 24, 2008 12:10 PM

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Oh god, that was awesome.
Nov 18, 2008 4:34 PM

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totally gay chapter. these plot twists suck
Jan 3, 2009 10:07 AM

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Really didn't expect Rubel to be a spy or anyone to be a spy at all.


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If Riful can awake Rafaela, it might have a balance w/n.. or can match up Priscilla maybe
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Aug 16, 2010 2:52 AM
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Luciela is DEAD

Rafaela, for all practical purposes, is DEAD.*

*Technically, Rafaela (her mind) lives on in Clare's head.

We call this NEW being/entity, the Destroyer. It is NOT Rafaela NOR Luciela. It is its own independant and individual being/entity of its own.

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The Destroyer is powerful... more than the AOs.... but.... Priscilla is... well Priscilla.. or my own aliteration title for her:

Pissy Prissy Priscilla the Psychotic Princess of *POWER*

let's just say.... up until chapter 105... place your bets/money on Priscilla in a Destroyer vs Priscilla match.... *hehe*
Feb 15, 2011 5:46 PM

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Rubel needs to killed!
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Amen!

(especially when you think he's the REAL-TRUE LEADER of the Org, like I do! :D)

Rubel's caught lying by the Org about the Clare-Ophelia-Gonahl female AB incident, yet he's not executed.

Clare was going to kill him in Lacroa, but he not only talks his way out of it, but gets her to do what he wanted...

Rubel somehow knew Raki was captured and taken to Alphonse... did Rubel capture Raki himself... and give him to the "Slave Traders" (or are these really human slave traders... maybe their just a "public" name, like Voracious Eater is, for... an "anbu-black ops" like group of BCs...)

Miria... could have killed Rubel instead of letting him watch.... oops don't wanna spoil, hehe.
Mar 11, 2011 11:25 AM

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If Luciela & Rafaela awaken, I wonder how they would look.
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Mar 17, 2011 12:26 AM
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Hint 1: Statues

Hint 2: Scene where Teresa learns Clare's name
Sep 10, 2012 9:39 AM
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Rubel is one crafty little spy. He probably knows more than he's saying to them.
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Mar 25, 2013 9:35 AM

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Did you just spoil me? if you did you are a dick and need to think before posting, people like to find things out themselves believe it or not...
Does anyone else need a doctor to confirm that someone without a head is dead?
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So Raphaela and Luciela is that strong huh. Maybe even stronger than the Abyssal ones.
No.

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it should be semi-monthly as soon as possible. The story is nowhere near the end. It can go a good 30 chapters at least....
Just 30? Die.

But yeah, I knew that Rubel was cool, but he got even better. Just like the manga iteslf keeps on getting better(which I thought to be impossible).
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wakka9ca said:
it should be semi-monthly as soon as possible. The story is nowhere near the end. It can go a good 30 chapters at least....
You do realize that if we got chapters more often the LENGTH of said chapters would go down, right?
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Rubel is a spy of the other side!!!! kekeke
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Rubel is a likeable sly bastard.

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Wait, Rubel's a frickin spy? Now that's genius. I'm liking that character now, even though I wouldn't trust him for anything.
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I figured Rubel was a sly bastard from the very start but he’s deceiving skills are simply off the chart! Also, doesn’t he get a little too much info? Good to know where Miria’s little bombshell from earlier came from.

I’m curious to see how things are going over at Riful’s place. Looks like Reki’s become crazy powerful now too and he seems aware of Priscilla’s true form? I really hope he won’t stop Claire during the inevitable battle just as he did in the anime version.
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So Rubel is a spy from another country, interesting...
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Bro why is this Rubel guy always laughing lmao!
Sorry for my english xD!

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