Hazurewaku no "Joutai Ijou Skill" de Saikyou ni Natta Ore ga Subete wo Juurin suru made Episode 8 Discussion

This show is so bad it's good territory. Everyone is somehow mustache twirling villain with zero depth as to why they are this way. And I guess one episode of no r*pe is the best this anime can do because now we don't have just a r*pey villain but a PDF File villain. It's like being dishonorable and killing the bloodsport champion for gaining freedom isn't bad enough. The author always have to throw in r*pe in there and now r*pe against a child. Amazing.
TBH I don't even feel rage on any of the villains here. They are too much of a cardboard cut out to even feel anger against. It's more comedic when you see yet the next villain talk about how they going to fondle the elf oppais or something.

lmao now touka thinks hes light yagami killing whoever he wants

Fairs the author went back to the rapey antagonist trope this week. Zuan was already a piece of shit for rigging the bloodsport competition, but hearing how he talked about Lis who is a fucking child like she was some plaything for him made my blood boil. Tooka tried warning Eve how shitty Zuan was, but I guess some people just gotta hear for themselves.

The innkeeper beating and abusing Lis also got me so angry. Like what’s even the point of that, just to feel like a bigger person? Like you’re over someone and have control? Showing off in front of a dude in the restaurant.. Gross.

The villains in this story are so cartoonishly evil you just want to see them suffer in the worst possible way. I don’t blame Tooka for offing her, especially considering she reminds him of his own abusive upbringing. “If you let me go you can go to heaven” has to be one of the funniest lines I’ve ever heard tho, as if you’re going anywhere but hell lady lmao

Looks like one way or another, Eve will be fighting against Muaji next week. Just not the way he anticipated coming into this arc lol. Hopefully seven arcs put together a somewhat presentable fight

The villains are so one-note and predictable...this show COULD be good if it didn't fall flat on it's own face every episode. I mean, it's fine, but it's just so cookie cutter basic. Glad to see Eve join the team at least.

@zcv45
At this point you should ask yourself if the world is not what makes all of this people like this.
With a goddess that basically rules everything and allows all shitty stuff you want, except being against her (see what happened to the Dark Hero), no wonder humanity finished like that.

@groudonvert I seen that idea brought up a few times. And yea I agree. If your main source of moral alignment is some corrupt goddess, this makes some sense. It's just that this society is too functional for how nations are ran. If everyone gets away with the stuff that is shown as if it was normal, you'd expect a societal collapse. Warning, word salad ahead.



While i'm not someone who believes in absolute morality, there is a reason why there is a convergent evolution of morality throughout history. Partly it is due to trade and communication, but then why not the other way around? Why is human sacrifices deem bad instead of the cultural influence going the other way and be considered acceptable? Why did slavery tend towards abolition and not its continuation?

The answer is that us humans are social creatures just like wolves and bonobos. We survive based around cooperation. Instead in the story, there is a significant power imbalance where the strong dominates the weak. We can be cynical and say that's how the real world is, and how a lot of history is. But we also need to acknowledge there is in fact a limit to how far this can go. Revolutions, rebellions, and eye for and eye/vigilantes. There's a reason why countries with high corruption, high income inequalities etc. are all less successful and often outright failed states. If the religious, governmental, and social institutions are all corrupt, you won't have a functional society.

Yet somehow females live in this world just fine despite at the risk of being r*ped at any moment. Or how are the children and elderly still around if the weak are just to be thrown away by society (like the MC was). Same with weaker adventurers. What stop people from just stealing the labor of artisans if might means right and there are no enforcement of contracts? If the bloodsports contract is unenforced, then how can you trust any contract gets enforced if its not to the liking of the nobility? Why would peasants and artisans fulfill their end of the bargain? The nobility can't run everything on their own.

Even if we assume they are racist to demi-humans, and misogynist. We can look to history which had both of these things. It's one thing to make females a second class citizen but it's another when your mother, sister, or daughter gets r*ped just because they can. As a society, we collectively agree to NOT do certain things in exchange so OTHERS won't do it back to us. When crime becomes the norm, that social contract is broken and you get anarchy, not society. It's just not believable.

guys don't roats me but failure frame is my favorite anime of the month

@groudonvert I seen that idea brought up a few times. And yea I agree. If your main source of moral alignment is some corrupt goddess, this makes some sense. It's just that this society is too functional for how nations are ran. If everyone gets away with the stuff that is shown as if it was normal, you'd expect a societal collapse. Warning, word salad ahead.



While i'm not someone who believes in absolute morality, there is a reason why there is a convergent evolution of morality throughout history. Partly it is due to trade and communication, but then why not the other way around? Why is human sacrifices deem bad instead of the cultural influence going the other way and be considered acceptable? Why did slavery tend towards abolition and not its continuation?

The answer is that us humans are social creatures just like wolves and bonobos. We survive based around cooperation. Instead in the story, there is a significant power imbalance where the strong dominates the weak. We can be cynical and say that's how the real world is, and how a lot of history is. But we also need to acknowledge there is in fact a limit to how far this can go. Revolutions, rebellions, and eye for and eye/vigilantes. There's a reason why countries with high corruption, high income inequalities etc. are all less successful and often outright failed states. If the religious, governmental, and social institutions are all corrupt, you won't have a functional society.

Yet somehow females live in this world just fine despite at the risk of being r*ped at any moment. Or how are the children and elderly still around if the weak are just to be thrown away by society (like the MC was). Same with weaker adventurers. What stop people from just stealing the labor of artisans if might means right and there are no enforcement of contracts? If the bloodsports contract is unenforced, then how can you trust any contract gets enforced if its not to the liking of the nobility? Why would peasants and artisans fulfill their end of the bargain? The nobility can't run everything on their own.

Even if we assume they are racist to demi-humans, and misogynist. We can look to history which had both of these things. It's one thing to make females a second class citizen but it's another when your mother, sister, or daughter gets r*ped just because they can. As a society, we collectively agree to NOT do certain things in exchange so OTHERS won't do it back to us. When crime becomes the norm, that social contract is broken and you get anarchy, not society. It's just not believable.

I still believe this show has potential to be quite good but who knows

It's kinda "funny" that a simple gladiator is sleeping in the same building as the bad guy. And not only she can hide herself without being seeing by a single guard, but, the bad guy is talking at the exact time (at probably 2am) of his plan to kill her and his plan for the dark elf girl. Also, never heard of a door ?
Not only that but she has even weapon in her bedroom so what would prevent a gladiator to kill the bad guy ?
Anyway,
It's kinda funny that they arrive at the exact time that the old lady was bullying the elf girl, not only that, but how much times did they stay behind the door ? Considering the guy who was on the bar left, closed the door, then, they opened it five second later, I don't really understand where the party was to hear everything, but ok.
Anyway,
If you turn off your brain, it almost make sense.
I'm interested to see how they are going to deal with the whole army.

@zcv45 soldiers rape and kill where civilians can't see it. Corrupt wealthy people are the same. What we've seen of "ordinary" people seem to be normal, they're just not fruitlessly risking their own hide to go against powerful people.

And despite everything you've said about bonobos or whatever, this is a fantasy where an individual can be stronger than like 100 normal people -so a revolution is not a guarantee at all. Could you see a town being able to stop Touka?

Anyway, I'm ready for the story to kill off Touka & Seras now that we have our leopard. The elf kid can die too, actually.

@Nasa290704
The issue isn't that it's "fruitless to rebel" because some guy is 100x stronger. Your society literally cannot function if people cannot trust you to keep your end of the bargain/contract. It is simple as that.
If I farm and cook food for you but you kill me. vs I farm and cook for myself only and you kill me. What is the difference? There is none. And my post was admittedly long winded precisely to address that point.
If family and friends are just harassed on a daily basis, then there is no reason to obey the government. There isn't a option between life or death. It's die now or die after being their play thing. For people to listen, you need to offer them something in return. And there has been not a single scenario where this has been the case. Even the darn tavern lady is a scum. Not just people with power.

Besides that, what is the world's strongest guy going to do if no one is around to raise cattle, farm, and chop trees? Even the most despotic government tries to maintain law and order. That's part of a unspoken agreement between the governor and the governed. It's not like the real life dictators don't have a potent military that can quite literally genocide their population if they so desired. They can on paper but won't. The soldiers are ALSO his citizens and have family in that society. Even if that soldier is deranged and would love to massacre and pillage people, he don't want that to happen to HIS family. As such it is in HIS interest to NOT support such activities. Meaning NOT obeying whatever the dictator or in this case, the nobility says.

@Nasa290704
The issue isn't that it's "fruitless to rebel" because some guy is 100x stronger. Your society literally cannot function if people cannot trust you to keep your end of the bargain/contract. It is simple as that.
If I farm and cook food for you but you kill me. vs I farm and cook for myself only and you kill me. What is the difference? There is none. And my post was admittedly long winded precisely to address that point.
If family and friends are just harassed on a daily basis, then there is no reason to obey the government. There isn't a option between life or death. It's die now or die after being their play thing. For people to listen, you need to offer them something in return. And there has been not a single scenario where this has been the case. Even the darn tavern lady is a scum. Not just people with power.

Besides that, what is the world's strongest guy going to do if no one is around to raise cattle, farm, and chop trees? Even the most despotic government tries to maintain law and order. That's part of a unspoken agreement between the governor and the governed. It's not like the real life dictators don't have a potent military that can quite literally genocide their population if they so desired. They can on paper but won't. The soldiers are ALSO his citizens and have family in that society. Even if that soldier is deranged and would love to massacre and pillage people, he don't want that to happen to HIS family. As such it is in HIS interest to NOT support such activities. Meaning NOT obeying whatever the dictator or in this case, the nobility says.

Ah, yes. The classic.
A supposed slave is allowed to roam however she pleases undisturbed, and even manages to conveniently overhear her master shittalking her in the nastiest way possible because that's exactly what she needed to hear in order to push the story forward and establish this guy as the cartoonishly evil and unlikable like every other villain in this show. A+ writing right there. And that conversation with that old lady MC-kun had before offing her was the edgiest shit I've seen since Redo of Healer. This show works out as ironical comedy similar to Ex-Arm, but this is getting stale. In Ex-Arm's case each episode was bad in new, innovative way. Failure Frame just seems like was written by 12 yo going through an edgy phase and it shows.

@Piromysl
After many years of services and the Dark Elf as hostage, her master knows she won't rebel or flee. She can have some freedom.

Also... do you need top notched one episode villains every week ? We already met 2 villains that are far better written than any villains of the week : Gartland and (especially) Vicius. But they don't exist, only rapists have to be remembered.

@groudonvert Dunno why you are keep trying to defend this indefensible shit as if your explanation would make it look better or even make sense, because one of the many reason why a master should keep their strong combatant slave like her confined is literally what happened in that episode.
And if you really think that obnoxious and evil bitch being evil and unlikable for sake of being evil and unlikable or that whitehaired boi, who's only trait is that he is NOT (from what we know) a rapist are decent villains, then you do yours. Most people, including me, don't have standards that low. Author clearly does not know how to write a villain (or any other character, actually), so he hamfists those unlikable traits to cheaply convey that they are evil and it's borderline insulting.

And before you'll throw good, old "just drop it", you should also know that I watch it literally only because my favorite VA is in it, who is already niche and underrated as it is.

@Piromysl
After 3 years or so of slave-master collaboration (if you can call this like that), the Duke knows pretty well Eve.
With so much money she contributes to make him win, it's not hard to imagine, he could give her some leeway. It's not like she would flee with a very young girl in her toes.

Oh no, Vicius is not evil just for the sake of being evil. She's the center of why this world is so trash and the reason so many people with powers are trash. But Vicius' main interesting aspect is : why, as a goddess, does she need to summon Heroes from another world to fight the Demon King ? She's a Goddess, shouldn't she be able to kill him on her own ? Because she needs the Heroes to take his essents ? Doesn't look like it, since she told them only his heart is necessary. This single aspect explains a lot of her behavior and actions.
There are many aspects of her that I could add, but it would be spoiler territory.

Concerning Gartland, he's a man bored by being the strongest, wishing to find someone able to kill him so he can have a good fight. He's also honorable and promise Seras to let her go if she's able to beat him (while she's supposed to be a wanted target).


And no, I won't say drop it. I will say buy the Light Novel to continue the story where it will end in this season (should be end of volume 4). Volume 5 is where the story, the worldbuilding and the characters writing really start to shine. And I should add, I was like you and completely underestimated how good the author is in writing characters (especially minor characters).