Jujutsu Kaisen Chapter 257 Discussion

Holy fuck what an adrenaline rush of a chapter. Yuji is the reincarnation of Sukuna's twin? (EDIT: Leaker made a mistake, the reincarnation of Sukuna's twin was Yuji's dad, NOT Yuji himself) He can use Sukuna's "Shrine" CT? And he hit 7, yes, SEVEN consecutive Black Flashes?!?!?! My god, it's so far off but this is going to go so hard and crazy animated.

"YuJi nOt mC sUkUnA iS" "YuJi fRaUd mC dUrR hUrR" Oh? Y'all were saying? Yea, enough of that yapping 🥱🥱🥱

And also, to the usual suspects who I just know are foaming at the mouth, just waiting to complain that Yuji being able to use Sukuna's CT is an "aSsPuLL," it literally isn't. This was foreshadowed by Gojo all the way back in chapter TWELVE when he said about Yuji, "In due time, your body will learn Sukuna's Cursed Technique." Yuji was Sukuna's vessel for how long? Plus, he's the son of Sukuna's twin so yea, Sukuna's twin possibly having an identical CT that he then passed down checks out. All the puzzle pieces of foreshadowing were there so from a writing perspective it makes perfect sense and everything falls into place.

FOR ANYONE WHO ONLY READS THE OFFICIAL VIZ TRANSLATION:
Ah yes, another edition of Werry Kaisen. Dude just can NOT translate to save his life. First, the panel in the start of the chapter where Sukuna is yawning while talking to Uraume, in the officials he says "The cursed objects that are Sukuna's fingers (no clue why he's talking in 3rd person lol) were sealed in Yuji Itadori even though he was born as a player in the Culling Game." No idea why Werry is implying that Yuji was "born AS a player," that just doesn't make sense. Looking at the TCB translation, the line reads as "You know this already, but Yuji Itadori was not only being bred to be a player in the Culling Games, but also to seal my fingers." This makes more sense, that Yuji was molded over time to participate in the CG, not that he was born as a participant 15 years before the CG even became a thing. That mistake is just weird wording, the other big mistake that could lead to misinformation is when the narrator says Yuji has 2 CTs, Blood Manipulation and MALEVOLENT Shrine. No, Yuji is NOT using MS. That's Sukuna's DE, NOT his CT. The translation on TCB simply has it named as "Shrine." That's presumably the name of Sukuna's CT and that's what we're seeing Yuji use in this chapter. Not Malevolent Shrine, just plain old Shrine. And it turns out Gege told us this in plain sight back in chapter 217 when Sukuna was talking to Yorozu. Check it out right here on TCB. You don't even need to read the whole thing, skip to the part where Sukuna uses Megumi's Divine Dogs. Yorozu asks if that's the vessel's CT, then follows up by asking "What about your SHRINE?" Notice she doesn't say Malevolent Shrine, just Shrine. I hate that the Viz translation is so misleading because now people will be under the impression that Yuji has the ability to use MS.

so yuji has the soul of the dead twin brother of sukuna thats why he is a genius also

and yuji has 2 cursed techniques? so multiple curse technique is possible then that may explain yuta with rika and copy curse technique

yuji should have trained more to use the slashes of sukuna though

if sukuna has malevolent shrine then yuji should have benevolent shrine

@deg it is confirmed by kenjaku that a sorcerer can have max. 4 CT but not more.

I actually feel kind of disappointed now… so reincarnation is just a normal thing that happens in JJK for humans and Yuji and Sukuna aren’t as related as we all thought. Maybe John Werry will also mistranslate it and make it canon

@Dumb I wouldn’t necessarily say reincarnation is a “normal” thing, obviously we need to wait and see what the actual chapter text says but the leaks implied that Kenjaku played a role in this reincarnation that ultimately led to Yuji’s creation. So I imagine it’s only possible through some form of interference.

@caanb can you link what chapter is that confirmed? i do not remember that

Dayum so Yuji is Sukunas twin somehow, crazy shi. That blackflash barrage was awesome, this will be amazing animated. Next week starts with Yuji at the airport saying how amazing Sukuna is lol nah actually it seems Sukuna really is on the ropes here, he'll probably do another 180 before getting wrecked, I'm betting on Yuji opening his domain at clutch time.

Its just so peak ;_______; I never doubted you Gege(I totally did mwah haha)

miracle power-up asspull

@deg It was in Yuki vs Kenny check possibly ch 205 i will edit my reply when i get home with the correct one tho

MORAL OF THE STORY: IF YOUR GRANDPA IS A GOOD PERSON, YOU CAN STILL BE A HERO NO MATTER YOUR FAMILY BACKGROUND.

#GRANDPA_POWER

one thing that is still a mystery is what sukuna gained from 4 blackflashes aside from increased slash output

But I don't like it though. There is no way to beat the super villain. So you make the hero villains twin
There has been no indications previously.Nothing at all.. Then suddenly hero just powers up..
At least give him. time skip to powerup.. But this is way too much. Just introduce some random thing at the very last.
🥲sad

Holy fuck what an adrenaline rush of a chapter. Yuji is the reincarnation of Sukuna's twin? (EDIT: Leaker made a mistake, the reincarnation of Sukuna's twin was Yuji's dad, NOT Yuji himself) He can use Sukuna's "Shrine" CT? And he hit 7, yes, SEVEN consecutive Black Flashes?!?!?! My god, it's so far off but this is going to go so hard and crazy animated.

"YuJi nOt mC sUkUnA iS" "YuJi fRaUd mC dUrR hUrR" Oh? Y'all were saying? Yea, enough of that yapping 🥱🥱🥱

And also, to the usual suspects who I just know are foaming at the mouth, just waiting to complain that Yuji being able to use Sukuna's CT is an "aSsPuLL," it literally isn't. This was foreshadowed by Gojo all the way back in chapter TWELVE when he said about Yuji, "In due time, your body will learn Sukuna's Cursed Technique." Yuji was Sukuna's vessel for how long? Plus, he's the son of Sukuna's twin so yea, Sukuna's twin possibly having an identical CT that he then passed down checks out. All the puzzle pieces of foreshadowing were there so from a writing perspective it makes perfect sense and everything falls into place.

FOR ANYONE WHO ONLY READS THE OFFICIAL VIZ TRANSLATION:
Ah yes, another edition of Werry Kaisen. Dude just can NOT translate to save his life. First, the panel in the start of the chapter where Sukuna is yawning while talking to Uraume, in the officials he says "The cursed objects that are Sukuna's fingers (no clue why he's talking in 3rd person lol) were sealed in Yuji Itadori even though he was born as a player in the Culling Game." No idea why Werry is implying that Yuji was "born AS a player," that just doesn't make sense. Looking at the TCB translation, the line reads as "You know this already, but Yuji Itadori was not only being bred to be a player in the Culling Games, but also to seal my fingers." This makes more sense, that Yuji was molded over time to participate in the CG, not that he was born as a participant 15 years before the CG even became a thing. That mistake is just weird wording, the other big mistake that could lead to misinformation is when the narrator says Yuji has 2 CTs, Blood Manipulation and MALEVOLENT Shrine. No, Yuji is NOT using MS. That's Sukuna's DE, NOT his CT. The translation on TCB simply has it named as "Shrine." That's presumably the name of Sukuna's CT and that's what we're seeing Yuji use in this chapter. Not Malevolent Shrine, just plain old Shrine. And it turns out Gege told us this in plain sight back in chapter 217 when Sukuna was talking to Yorozu. Check it out right here on TCB. You don't even need to read the whole thing, skip to the part where Sukuna uses Megumi's Divine Dogs. Yorozu asks if that's the vessel's CT, then follows up by asking "What about your SHRINE?" Notice she doesn't say Malevolent Shrine, just Shrine. I hate that the Viz translation is so misleading because now people will be under the impression that Yuji has the ability to use MS.

True but I was mainly focusing on this chapter lol.


At this point it's like talking to a brick wall. The people who have already committed themselves to hating the rest of the series will complain no matter what, they'll find literally anything even if it's the smallest nitpick, and nothing you can say will change their minds. Even if it's something that has been hinted at or foreshadowed for a long time now. The only upside is that those who have been reading but not really reading just expose themselves, e.g., the person above saying "this has gone full Naruto."

True but I was mainly focusing on this chapter lol.


At this point it's like talking to a brick wall. The people who have already committed themselves to hating the rest of the series will complain no matter what, they'll find literally anything even if it's the smallest nitpick, and nothing you can say will change their minds. Even if it's something that has been hinted at or foreshadowed for a long time now. The only upside is that those who have been reading but not really reading just expose themselves, e.g., the person above saying "this has gone full Naruto."

@thebrentinator24

Oh really?
I'd love to be proven wrong, so please by all means. Do enlight me with this aforementioned foreshadowing towards this particular reveal.

I reread this series 3 times at this point, I don't think I've ever seen a single mention of anything of the sort. The single thing even hinted at (and after the fact that we learned about Yuji being a breeding experiment from Kenjaku) was Sukuna calling him a sick bastard (and that could just refer to him being a sick bastard in the way we already knew he was).

@Danpmss The guy I quoted brought up some of the points that one can argue were hints at a deeper relationship between Yuji and Sukuna. Like why would Kenjaku choose Yuji's dad of all people to have a kid with. Even if that was just coincidental, Yuji looks oddly similar to Sukuna's true form. That can't just be for no reason. And why would Kenny use his own son as Sukuna's vessel, to collect his fingers? Why not literally anyone else? Yuji's accelerated growth rate throughout the series shows he's not just an average kid, and Uraume in this chapter suggesting he could have potential on par with Sukuna makes that make more sense in hindsight. If he's related to Sukuna somehow, then no wonder he's been able to pull off crazy shit despite only being a sorcerer for like, 6 months. And even without all of this in-story context, just look at who Sukuna is based off of: a figure from Japanese mythology also named Ryomen-Sukuna who had 4 arms and 2 faces, but besides that, was thought to be a symbol of twins/brothers. So even just based on that alone, it makes sense that at some point in the story it would turn out that Sukuna had previously had a sibling.

@Ricdumb Idk if there was a misunderstanding but I'm not criticizing you for replying to people to refute the points they're trying to make. I'm only suggesting that doing so is, as I said, "like talking to a brick wall" cause you could be Gege himself explaining these things and they'll most likely still not change their minds about whatever opinion they had. By all means, I encourage you to continue laying out facts if you feel it's necessary, I'm on your side lol.

@thebrentinator24
I'm sorry to say, but that basically sound like a bunch of stretches. I don't really think these count as concrete foreshadowing in any way. But allow me to dwelve into it for a second:





Yeah, I don't think any of those clearly can make anyone go "Oh, that's because Kenjaku breed with someone with the soul of the never-before mentioned twin brother of Sukuna!". Not to mention, what hindsight exactly, when Uraume only QUESTIONS it ("is that really the case?") so after the very reveal that just happened. Uraume mocked Yuji and treated him as a corpse being served as a vessel for Sukuna in every scene they shared any info on one another (in person or not).



And by the way, this twin he killed before birth has no part in being anything like the actual legend from which Sukuna's character was based on.
For starters, "was thought to be a symbol of twins/brothers" is a misconception (more below). For what he truly represents, according to the Gifu Prefectural History reference book, Ryōmen-sukuna was actually thought to be an epithet that expressed contempt towards the forces that weren't submissive to kingship (which is more in line with his character reaching for the top).

The twin thing you likely have been told probably refers to a certain speculative observation made by Hisao Hoga (a big shot researcher in Geneanology and Ancient Japanese History) when he was thinking of possible relations with the legend of Ryōmen-sukuna, the Hida Craftsmen and Mount Kurai (with him entertaining the possibility of him being a descendant of either Hida-no-Kuni-no-Miyatsuko or even Sukunahikona-no-Mikoto, both with their own share of impossibilities when it comes to his overall genealogical conclusion based on observations that are also admittedly dubious by fellow historians).

For the twin association, one association comes from his assertion in regards to Kurai's north and south sides that represents the two faces of the lord/master of the mountain, which also possessed 4 arms, based on the writings of a Muromachi era governor of the Hida Province (to which he attribute to his remarks about Sukuna's relation to a bestowed lordship to the very first emperor of Japan). The other is his actual metaphorical association to Sukunahikona-no-Mikoto, to which he solely attributes association according to legend, as in how Sukunahikona and Ōkuninushi were considered to be two hearts coming together to build a nation (which not only has zero to do with Ryōmen-sukuna having a twin, it's more meant to represent what their relation can be seen as influence in the legend of the two-faced demon).

His whole discourse about Ryōmen-sukuna having two sides as in two people that rule as one is something completely different altogether and not even in reference to his figure on itself, and moreso on what legends may have had influenced in its origin (which ultimately goes for what he represented as I said above).



He is an experiment, that doesn't really track anything in relation of being in any way related to Sukuna, nor Sukuna himself ever mentioned or hinted on that being the case.

And Yuji being special in some way is something his Grandpa hinted at the very start of the story, he is the protagonist, has a twice-appearing weird "power to create the illusion of always having been in someone else's life like a brother" (which I'd WISH it ever hinted at anything regarding the current plot, because that is something that could have been used as foreshadowing but that gets rapidly obscured every time it happens and is yet to be addressed to this day).

Kenjaku's reveal as making him as part of an experiment WAS the something that already had me and many fans saying "no wonder he can do crazy stuff" long before any of this twin souls shenanigans happened, so yeah, that's no direct hint of anything nor foreshadowing for this situation.



Lastly, this is the sole one that could even barely hint towards this development within the manga itself up to this point, and even then, one could, as many did in the past, argue that is just another case of Gege same-facing characters.

In either case, I want concrete foreshadowing within the story. Not even historical/mythological documentation justifies this twist in any way, but I wouldn't mind innacuracies in a ancient history if the author actually mentioned them once.

Even because if a story is based upon a given mythos and does not hint within the story its relations to it directly, it's not really any good for the storytelling, especially when we are talking about a mythological character that is rather infamous in regards to how inconsistently it is portrayed and symbolized as (definitions attributed to him from Buddhism, for example, are not in line when it comes to his origin in legend, since Buddhism at the time wasn't introduced in Japan).

Considering this is some power up reveal, I do not disagree with anyone that would consider this to be in one way or another an asspull/deus ex machina.

But hey, I did my research, go on with the arguments or call me a "hater that didn't really read it and are exposing themselves" I guess lol