| Like, during battles all the MCs, their comrades and brothers-in-arms often times just shout out some stuff related to the robot's voice control system functions (I guess?), such as: "force field shield activate at maximum velocity", "energy module boost 50%", "IFF radar, enemy presence not detected"... Anyway, I tried.... So, I watching all of that, thinking to myself "Yeah... Ok... I see...", and during that time my mind basically goes blank and I don't get what's going on at all. And, well, I'm watching it in Japanese (with subs), so the effect doubles. It becomes slightly better when I switch to English subs at that particular moment at least to get an idea what were they screaming there if there was some crazy, incomprehensible (to me at this point) Japanese; however, the frustration doesn't go away. Is this something common, or am I just a moron? Or is it both? |
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| they are just announcing what they are doing. its like announcing the move in a fight before performing like in pokemon battles iykwim |
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| That's called technobabble, and it's what hack writers fill their stories with in order to make them appear more realistic and profound. It's almost always worthless garbage and I've trained myself to just filter it out like background noise. |
| It's the same technobabble you can hear in Star Trek for example. |
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RudeRedis said: Is this something common, or am I just a moron? Or is it both? Don't worry, it's perfectly fine to turn off your brain during mecha battles because the dialog is mostly trivial, bland and non-memorable. |
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| No idea how it look in real pilot fight, nor how the nowadays technology related to that works so all of what I am writing is just assumptions: Talking to voice control - Wasn't that much paying attention into some mechas, but I would assume that it should work similar to how nowadays Siri works and other types of AI/Apps, like for example my uncle who's invalid and can't use his hands , he uses the functions of his phone by voice command of "Hi Google", so I think it's just the same but more advanced/specialised for mecha. Force shield... - Here's something which actually make no sense to me? As for force field it is an obvious fiction which actually is being researched or at least was and it should be similar to gravitational field, electric, magnetic [not sure if the examples given works similar, those are just the fields which I remember functioning in real physics], so activation and deactivation shouldn't be that much of a problem, espcially that a field which would suround an objcect [mecha] in a sphere would actually work as a shield most likely. But I don't think Velocity would even matter here at any point so I would just delete "Maximum velocity" which for me doesn't make any sense here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_field_(technology) maybe more valuable info on chemistry/physics force field-> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_field Energy module - Because of the boost in name I'd say that it is some sort of mecha version of nitrous oxide [known as Nitro], which is used in vehicles to increase the engine power [in nutshell going brr brr faster], from what I've read it can increase it for about 30-50%, so if the mecha was actually inspired by it, the 50% boost module energy, would mean the maximum possible speed boost. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrous_oxide_engine IFF radar - it is actualy a real thing used in military aviation, the IFF stands for Identification Friend or Foe, in simple just a radar which shows you objects flying around. As during WWI and WWII especially it wasn't that easy and as a pilot you could be actually being shot "out of nowhere", there's a scene in movie Dunkirk in which a pilot is jumpscared by sudden series of shots from behind of an incoming enemy. So in terms of mecha it just confirms that there are no enemy in a vicinity of a radar. The current radars from what I found are at around max range of 250 miles, in mecha it would most likely be a larger value. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identification_friend_or_foe As much as some of the stuff might be just random bs yapping, some of the stuff seems to be inspired from real nowadays technology, which maybe would be the case for such SCI-FI scenerio, tried to explain based on what I found to narrow the meaning of each term, if there's more, gimme it so I'll find more info about it as it is actually interesting. [All info from wikis and basic webs, I ain't that crazy to search through large literature stuff] |
ZettaikenMar 11, 7:33 AM
Zettaiken said: No idea how it look in real pilot fight, nor how the nowadays technology related to that works so all of what I am writing is just assumptions: Talking to voice control - Wasn't that much paying attention into some mechas, but I would assume that it should work similar to how nowadays Siri works and other types of AI/Apps, like for example my uncle who's invalid and can't use his hands , he uses the functions of his phone by voice command of "Hi Google", so I think it's just the same but more advanced/specialised for mecha. Force shield... - Here's something which actually make no sense to me? As for force field it is an obvious fiction which actually is being researched or at least was and it should be similar to gravitational field, electric, magnetic [not sure if the examples given works similar, those are just the fields which I remember functioning in real physics], so activation and deactivation shouldn't be that much of a problem, espcially that a field which would suround an objcect [mecha] in a sphere would actually work as a shield most likely. But I don't think Velocity would even matter here at any point so I would just delete "Maximum velocity" which for me doesn't make any sense here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_field_(technology) maybe more valuable info on chemistry/physics force field-> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_field Energy module - Because of the boost in name I'd say that it is some sort of mecha version of nitrous oxide [known as Nitro], which is used in vehicles to increase the engine power [in nutshell going brr brr faster], from what I've read it can increase it for about 30-50%, so if the mecha was actually inspired by it, the 50% boost module energy, would mean the maximum possible speed boost. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrous_oxide_engine IFF radar - it is actualy a real thing used in military aviation, the IFF stands for Identification Friend or Foe, in simple just a radar which shows you objects flying around. As during WWI and WWII especially it wasn't that easy and as a pilot you could be actually being shot "out of nowhere", there's a scene in movie Dunkirk in which a pilot is jumpscared by sudden series of shots from behind of an incoming enemy. So in terms of mecha it just confirms that there are no enemy in a vicinity of a radar. The current radars from what I found are at around max range of 250 miles, in mecha it would most likely be a larger value. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identification_friend_or_foe As much as some of the stuff might be just random bs yapping, some of the stuff seems to be inspired from real nowadays technology, which maybe would be the case for such SCI-FI scenerio, tried to explain based on what I found to narrow the meaning of each term, if there's more, gimme it so I'll find more info about it as it is actually interesting. [All info from wikis and basic webs, I ain't that crazy to search through large literature stuff] Valid points there. I know that the authors are trying to base their mecha technology on something that exist in reality in the military or on something from SF to make their works looks more appealing. Also, considering this is Mecha we’re talking about, the mechas functionality has to be described from the perspective of physics, because it’s Supernatural or Isekai where you can rely on paranormality or magic respectively, otherwise it’d look weird. The thing with those abbreviations, such as an IFF radar, though, is that I can’t really remember what capital letter stands for what. It’s, like, I know what an FPV drone is, what types there are and what purpose each one is used for (reconnaissance, kamikaze drones, grenade dropping) but I don’t know what the abbreviation FPV itself stands for. In other words, what the characters say sometimes does make sense, sometimes it doesn’t, but it’s hard for guys like who have very superficial knowledge about the military to tell whether it’s fitting or not… |
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| It is indeed one of the most boring aspects of mechashit. |
| No worries, you don't lose much. It's just a technobabble, meant to imitate real life combat and dialogues exchanged between fellow soldiers or other people involved in a military operation (in mecha anime it's usually mecha aka giant robots vs. their enemies of various kinds). Most of the time it's something that you can pretty much treat as a mere background element. Something enriching the important stuff, i.e. related directly to the story or its characters, but nothing more. Just a cool addition. |
| Gundam Witch from Mercury is my first and probably last Gundam ever, and I still don't know what is Permit Score. Don't worry about it, I guess? |
"Nobody could laugh at someone who's trying their hardest" -Machio- |
| Evangelion is the revolutionary mecha that you need because it makes you not understand ANYTHING they say |
| It's very common in real robot anime (e.g. Macross, Blue Gender) to have that sort of technobabble. Characters talking about Minovsky particles in the original Gundam is a good example of this. A lot of it is mean solely for world building. At best, the babble can dually serve to indicate choreography to the viewer during a fight while also becoming a meaningful bit of lore. At worst, it's pure jargon with little implication outside of its momentary use, or is done to just pad an episode's runtime. That being said, super robot anime (e.g. Mazinger Z, G Gundam, Getter Robo) make use of these callouts in a more straightforward way where the characters are literally shouting out their moves and maneuvers as they're being done. That trope in itself originates from older battle shonen manga and tokusatsu more than anything, so it's definitely childish and performative, but it certainly isn't just fluff to drag out the pacing of an episode or flabbergast the viewer. In fact, I'd say most of it only serves to heighten the emotion of any given conflict when it's done well. Jailed said: Evangelion is the revolutionary mecha that you need because it makes you not understand ANYTHING they say That's true insofar as the dialogue outside of the mecha parts is concerned, but the things mentioned during the action sequences do hold substantial weight. Whether that's for the sake of one scene on its own, or whole concepts like the A.T. field and plug suit becoming important components of the Eva units themselves, it's pulled off better than some series. |
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| learned something new today so those fake jargons are called technobabble |
| Most sci-fi were written by and for an audience of nerds who're neck deep in books about either programming, engineering, physics, military hardware, ect. who knew what most of the terms meant to begin with. No worries if you don't understand, just means you wont have that moment of understanding if the cast is using lagrange points and other such themes. It's enough to know 70-80% of what their talking about is real or theoretically possible science. Just think of it as science's equivalent of doing what fantasy series do. Fantasy uses history, religion, and myths that you can learn more about on your own if you want. You can do the same with sci-fi, but replace myths & history with programming, engineering, physics, and so on. |
Yuu_Kanzaki said: probably last Gundam ever Check Gundam The Origin. It's relatively short, it's a prequel (thus no previous Gundam UC knowledge is needed), it has few mechs it and even the titular Gundam is shown only as blueprints. |
| You don't have to get it you have to feel it! |
| I just zone out and goon (my mind, not my penis) during a Mecha action scene. |
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Evangelion is the revolutionary mecha that you need because it makes you not understand ANYTHING they say
| @Jailed I didn't have as much a problem with the Eva tv show, but the technobabble felt like it was increased tenfold in the rebuild movies. Just constant talk of stuff I have no clue about. |
| lol dont worry thats how most mechas are |
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| I often get overwhelmed but then my brain automatically starts to simplify the dialogue for me |
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| Thats actually one of the reason I don't like Mecha. Its supposed to be sort of realistic, but then it just makes it more confusing and unrealistic to me, at least. |
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Tap_Dancin_Kaiju said: Most sci-fi were written by and for an audience of nerds who're neck deep in books about either programming, engineering, physics, military hardware, ect. who knew what most of the terms meant to begin with. No worries if you don't understand, just means you wont have that moment of understanding if the cast is using lagrange points and other such themes. It's enough to know 70-80% of what their talking about is real or theoretically possible science. Just think of it as science's equivalent of doing what fantasy series do. Fantasy uses history, religion, and myths that you can learn more about on your own if you want. You can do the same with sci-fi, but replace myths & history with programming, engineering, physics, and so on. Yeah, I think you’re right that mecha were meant to be for nerds by nerds. But then the genre gained popularity and became widely known in the entire community. As for Physics, when I started off the course with learning about uniform motion I thought to myself, like: “Maybe it’s not as bad as I thought,” and then there was uniform accelerated motion, and I went: “No, fuck… It is.” Started getting into programming and then the AI came out, and everyone in the community started saying that programmers might be out of the game in the nearest future. Maybe mecha’s not for me, then… (just kidding) |
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RudeRedis said: Is it normal if I don't get what they're saying in mecha anime? The funny thing is you take away subtitles of any Anime then suddenly a vast majority of Western fans around over 90% would not understand a single thing anyone is saying in Anime in general let alone Mecha Anime. That is assuming Users will be watching Anime dubbed in Japanese. |
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Tap_Dancin_Kaiju said:
Most sci-fi were written by and for an audience of nerds who're neck deep in books about either programming, engineering, physics, military hardware, ect. who knew what most of the terms meant to begin with. No worries if you don't understand, just means you wont have that moment of understanding if the cast is using lagrange points and other such themes.
It's enough to know 70-80% of what their talking about is real or theoretically possible science.
Just think of it as science's equivalent of doing what fantasy series do. Fantasy uses history, religion, and myths that you can learn more about on your own if you want. You can do the same with sci-fi, but replace myths & history with programming, engineering, physics, and so on.
Most sci-fi were written by and for an audience of nerds who're neck deep in books about either programming, engineering, physics, military hardware, ect. who knew what most of the terms meant to begin with. No worries if you don't understand, just means you wont have that moment of understanding if the cast is using lagrange points and other such themes.
It's enough to know 70-80% of what their talking about is real or theoretically possible science.
Just think of it as science's equivalent of doing what fantasy series do. Fantasy uses history, religion, and myths that you can learn more about on your own if you want. You can do the same with sci-fi, but replace myths & history with programming, engineering, physics, and so on.
Yeah, I think you’re right that mecha were meant to be for nerds by nerds. But then the genre gained popularity and became widely known in the entire community.
As for Physics, when I started off the course with learning about uniform motion I thought to myself, like: “Maybe it’s not as bad as I thought,” and then there was uniform accelerated motion, and I went: “No, fuck… It is.”
Started getting into programming and then the AI came out, and everyone in the community started saying that programmers might be out of the game in the nearest future.
Maybe mecha’s not for me, then…
(just kidding)
| @RudeRedis I would reccomend maybe starting with a more slowpaced sci-fi, but then that would run into the problem of in exchange for the science most likely making sense, you may get confused by the heavy focus on philosophy instead lol Guess its just something you get used to after awhile |
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