What are some Traditions we should retvrn to?

elgatosaika said:
i guess living more communally, and making society and institutions more matriarchal
cuz when i think about tradition i dont think like religious stuff or even stricter gender shit, i kind of think of the indigenous societies before euro-christian colonization, i done lots of reading on indigenous americans in particular, both older and newer
those societies didnt impose monogamy, there were multiple genders, children were raised communally; i am not idealizing this obviously, there were still conflicts n shit but yeah u know, i think those indigenous traditions would make society a little bit more free u know, cuz like all that euro-christian shit, how family and other social constructs are conceptialized here is just so restrictive and breeds even more conflict and suffering

traed said:

You can still get corsets. Just avoid the ones with plastic ribbing they are potentially deadly because it can break and pierce your lung or heart which is why you only should go for non ribbed ones (these are more just for fashion and dont do as much to shape) or one with steel ribs. It actually weakens the core muscles which would give worse posture. I used to know a girl who was really into corsets because her eating disorder using it as a way to look skinnier so that's how i know this stuff.

_meimei said:
Not mandatory but I’d love to see more intricate gowns and dresses for women.

traed said:

You can still get corsets. Just avoid the ones with plastic ribbing they are potentially deadly because it can break and pierce your lung or heart which is why you only should go for non ribbed ones (these are more just for fashion and dont do as much to shape) or one with steel ribs. It actually weakens the core muscles which would give worse posture. I used to know a girl who was really into corsets because her eating disorder using it as a way to look skinnier so that's how i know this stuff.

Illuminatli said:
But you don't have to suddenly listen to something a random person on MAL says though. A corset piercing the lung or heart?? Just because it's made of plastic?? Sounds outlandish to me, and a steel corset could stab you to death as well if you apply that same logic. 
In that case we should also abandon high heels (they kill your back), Make-up (it makes you fake >:() And literally everything else that makes people beautiful, because it's all deadly in the end. 

traed said:

Yes, I meant to imply that it would have to be a regular thing.

traed said:

@kuroava
It's because plastic would more easily snap in two when bent too much while the steel ribbed ones would bend out of shape before a break happens. I dont know where she was getting that info from specifically though and it's hard to find anything online from a quick search because when you look that stuff up instead you just find info talking about tight lacing being dangerous.  I also dont know what the rate of accidents like that would be, i assume she may have been overestimating from a few cases. I dont have contact with her anymore to ask her. She had several corsets herself and i like how corsets look too so im not saying what you can and cant do just a suggestion from second hand info from someone into corsetting (she wanted to actually change her shape so i assume she tight laced). It's probably more a risk if it's tight laced I assume since the plastic ones arent exactly ideal for shaping or something idk. So long as you dont try to twist or bend over quickly you would notice a break before it does anything dangerous so even if it were true it could be fine just one should be mindful of it is all.

elgatosaika said:


i get what u mean to an extent, as i didnt grow up in an isolated suburban nuclear family, i grew up in rural poland, in a big house living with my grandparents, and all the aunties and uncles and cousins and their grannies literally lived on the other side of the street, and i honestly kind of feel that i did grow up like more within the community - yeah i didnt choose them for myself and that was a problem
but obviously, u know im trans, and ideology that was prevalent in the family, community, village wasnt necessarily too friendly to me exploring or expressing that in any way and it fucked my brain up bad and i am practically forced to leave my family behind, i can never be myself in the village and the community; u singled out the one thing i said, children being raised communally, but what if u took into account other shit i said? the shit that i want to happen simultaneously with the communal structure? maybe then i wouldnt have to leave this place, maybe id be happy in my community if i could be myself? u see what im saying?
also, what the hell do u mean by forced to stay in the communes? what they gonna shoot me if i wanna leave lol? isnt the concept of a commune one that is more open, and i can join and leave? isnt it actually more about freedom, as it is the structure of a family and the concept of familial bonds more restrictive? and then theres the problem with authority within familial structures, the nuclear system incentivies treating children as property, incentivies gender roles and thus patriarchy
and when i mention property... u actually have no idea how much the development of capitalism is connected to the rise of the nuclear family structure, as it is the most optimized mode of living to construct an ideological nation-state, produce population, and reproduce patriarchal hierarchies and thus fkn queerphobia obviously
and what do u mean by pack-mentality? i just dont want people to be isolated and lonely and shoot up schools, and having a community is the biggest fucking part in that, and right now the entire society in constructed in a way to literally maximize our loneliness, our insecurities, our fears blah blah blah
imagine a situation where ure born in a community, u got a whole bunch of ppl to hang out with when u growing up, yall located rly close, nobodys homophobic or transphobic, theres no impositions of toxic masculinity - damn seems like a world in which there wouldnt be so much drug addiciton, shootings, suicides... am i really that fkn insane that im bringing up the idea of a structure that is more communal?
i honestly truly believe that this concept needs to be reexamined, and some of its aspects reintroduced in our societies, i wholeheartedly believe that they would have a positive effect on everybodys health
at first i was chill and then each sentence i was more and more triggered cuz with each point u made in that super short response there was more and more stuff i wanted to call u out on
god i wrote an essay again im so cringe

traed said:

When I did a quick look seems if a bra is too tight an underwire can break but at a glance search results didnt give me any numbers on it or stories only stuff relating to gunshot wounds, improper use of defibrillators and just general stuff on debating if underwires are "healthy" to use etc. So as long as it's fitted right I don't think that would be very likely to break and if the underwire come loose wouldnt pierce in deep just a little poke. All i managed to find a Reddit post someone saying her underwire came out and "stabbed" her but I dont think that was a serious injury since nothing was mentioned, so likely was just a nuisance. A few others mentioned this happening but also only seemed annoyed.  So probably not something you have to actually worry about.
https://old.reddit.com/r/SewingForBeginners/comments/wu3psb/any_tips_on_fixing_my_bra_underwire_came_out_to/