Kidou Senshi Gundam: Suisei no Majo Episode 11 Discussion

Loccon_Stratos said:
Ngl, it’s kind of getting annoying, I get Suletta as a character isn’t supposed to be perfect, but the way she acts is just annoying, over dramatic and repetitive at this point. Miorine is also annoying constantly edgy, angsty, and acting basically like a bitch for no real reason aside from her daddy issues. What’s going on with the adults and Guel is more interesting right now. At first the Slice of Life and Suletta was a breath of fresh air. But now I’m kind of just feeling Suletta is the gullible, bumbling idiot, who constantly needs her hand held and reassurance. It’s just weird that in Gundam nothing that the main character is doing is even remotely interesting, and is mostly an after thought in anything that doesn’t involve piloting Aerial. Although the ending was set up well, none of anything interesting going on in the show has anything directly to do with Suletta up until now, and anything that Suletta is related to is because she’s connected to Aerial, without Aerial Suletta is a mediocre, character with Yuri tendencies, which is enough to pull in half the anime fan base…

xk0uki said:
To everyone who said the show was "weak" because of the "school setting", I hope y'all have been ready to eat your words. This show is really growing into an amazing series. Prospera revealing she's Elnora also potentially debunks some myths that Eri = Prospera, also shows that there was much more behind the scenes with Delling that we don't know yet. So many damn plot twists and misdirection, and I'm all for it! The reveal that the Earth Gundams are Lfriths, and the whole mystery of them... as well as finding what ties Nika has with Shaddiq... Prospera speaking in ambiguity of her "daughter" and how she won't leave Aerial behind... The fact that JUST as Suletta and Miorine reconciled, and common (but effective) plot device of "would be a shame for the two of you to get massively separated for the majority of the remaining story". I thought Ep 10's cliffhanger was bad... this is going to be the longest 2 weeks, followed by waiting for the next cour to start. 

To be honest, I could care less if it's yuri or not, Miorine and Suletta both have a great contribution to the overall story (even thought we don't even know what the true threat is- as it's being revealed slowly) and nothing feels forced. Yeah, you could argue that Gundam series are not about romance, but each one has romantic elements that tie into the story. It's a relatable human trait, and not too outlandish to think love doesn't exist or drive any character's motives. Regardless, even if there was no romantic aspect between the two, both of their frailty and reliance on each other really just makes this feel "human". And to be further honest, this whole "groom" thing was decided for Miorine; it's not like they just fell in love and decided to get engaged. They need each other to navigate this world, be it through romance or best friends.

TLDR: if you're here for or dislike the show for the yuri, then I think you're missing the big picture of how well the narrative is crafted. The story is unfolding to be amazingly delivered through the characters.

Mariklyn said:

I think you're missing the problem people have with the show. No cares the show has Yuri elements, but rather how much the show highlights it. Like in context to the story so far. The two girls started a business to change the narrative on gundams. By using gundam technology for medical procedures. Now that personally that sounds interesting, because the many options the story can branch out on how they can "show" their goal being reached. But instead we get 10 to 12mins of the lead characters caught up in "nonsense" (to put it lightly).

LoliSenpai0x said:
Im still hoping that this romance shit or (clown relationship) is just a Bait and not an actual plot, gundam isn't about romance, it's about politics, fights and mobile suits, if anything romance comes, it should be at the end of the story not now.

And i honestly prefer Suleta and Guel over Suleta and Miorine, but still, gundam isn't about romance, hopefully they don't destroy everything with forced romance.

Y0ungDr3w said:
I don't understand how people are commenting that gundam isn't about romance 

xk0uki said:
I mean, based on what people are saying here (and other places), it seems that issue is the "yuri bait" for a good number. I can see where you're coming from, although I guess I'm experiencing the show differently, and the "romance" between Suletta and Miorine don't feel forced at all. There's still so much else going on in the show, and a lot of mystery we've been led to wonder on. The world-building and where the main characters fit in, I feel are well-crafted in the sense that they're relatable so we can feel more attached to how their lives impact the plot.

The prologue started with loss, so I feel that's going to play a big role, and as the dynamics shift from happy-go-lucky, school-bound characters are exposed to whatever the main opposing forces act on, I think it'll impact their resolves. Call it massive speculation, but from how the show is intentionally creating doubt and misleading/inconsistent information, I think we're in for a good amount of dark twists (much like Ep 6). I know I could just be shooting in the dark here, but the foreshadowing gives me faith that the writers are building up to something big.

The Gund-Arm tech being originally purposed for medical applications and prosthesis, then being weaponized, and now trying to redeem itself by going back to its roots - To me, this feels like a subtle nod back to the concept of Gundam's purpose of stopping/opposing war, despite how war is always perpetuated by those wanting war and those wanting to stop it.

Maybe I'm in way over my head and pedantically over-analyzing, but aside from Suletta and Miorine, I'm very invested in the overarching story being told of Benerit Group/Cathedra, and the Eri = Aerial theory. 

Erroratu said:
Bro same
I've been catching up on gundam since 2018 and after all that I've seen i can safely say that gundam is absolutely about romance. The main points of each gundam show have been love, passion, understanding and empathy, with ecological, economical and political commentary. I don't know what gundam show you'd have to watch to get the idea that romance isn't an important part of the series

Mariklyn said:

Lol that would make two of us then because I'm over analyzing the story too. Hell I'm probably not even the shows target audience anyway... Jokes aside I agree with you I find the mystery enjoyable. (If only they focused on the mystery more.) I even feel like the father figures have bigger character devlopment than our Main characters (MC) and we just hit the second to last episode.

Then, I find it Ironic how the story potrays a cut throat business tone. Everyone minpluates to bend the rules yet, loopholes are found for the MC's.
As for the leads relationship not being forced I would disagree. On the fact that they have a relationship because of her status in the school. (She is number one I forgot what they called it) But, basically they have a "Business" relationship. At the very least if she loses (Which I doubt) the two could still be friends. 

If anything else, the story could of been told better if the MC's were younger. The plot being "A mother seeks revenge against her enemies  with the use of her daughter as a child soilder. But, her daughter makes friends with a girl whose father is the sworn enemy of Suelletes mother."

xk0uki said:
That's fair to say (everything you said). I actually like this aspect (although, I can respect it's not for everyone): I personally like when a world's rules are established, only to be loopholed and strategically manipulated. It wouldn't be very immersive or climactic if the characters just made these moves with no contextual pretense. 

There's also the "romance" that was between Suletta and Elan, and a hint of romantic history between Miorine and Shaddiq, so it's hard for me to agree that their relationship feels forced (again, I can entirely understand if it feels forced to some). Their relationship seems to be more of the delivery method for the overarching plot, to me. I guess one way to maybe look at it (if you're trying to find reasons to like the story), is think of the Holder (Suletta's school status) as the "responsibility" that the MC didn't ask for- kind of like the task/job that gets thrusted upon the MC, and the MC now has to uphold the role, whether they want it or not (which we clearly see in this ep that Suletta doesn't exactly embrace it). Then, if you've read the short story "Cradle Star", you'll know that there's very little that goes unplanned. If you haven't, it's a pretty good read. It tells the events that happen before Ep 1 and after the prologue.

To +1 on the "father figure development". I feel this was the driving force for all of the events happening in Witch from Mercury. Although, seeing Delling not be hostile toward Elnora to be surprising, seeing as to how the story wants us to think he was the one who issued the Vanadis Incident attack. To also add, I think Guel's character is well-written; kind of cliché, but I also love stories where the author makes you hate a character, then redeems them in a heroic way. I feel his role is going to be a big impact. 

TLDR: I'm weird, and a big simp over narrative tactics. XD

Snuffleskin said:
I seriously think a lot of the hate on the show over its romantic angle is from people who say they're longtime fans but they've only seen shows like IBO and  m a y b e  00, ignoring the fact that every UC show and many of the AUs had a romance focus.

Monochrosanity said:
Its really weird tbh. A lot of the hate I’ve seen is mainly from folks who are a big fan of one or two AU series but not much else.

Damolisher said:
I'm really hoping Miorine gets nuked into space dust so to six chinned wonders watching a Gundam show for nothing involving Gundams will go back to their own shit.

jacktheguy1012 said:
this show is dumb af, even more dumb than seed destiny... Delling, the most powerful man, doesn't even have his own security, had to rely on jeturk security and all it takes to bring him down is 3 ms and 2 gundam from earth...

big brain writer, this show is a joke