People who don't like newer anime, why don't you like them, and do you think they'll get better in the future?
| Despite a lot of people saying that anime is just getting better and better, there's a camp of people who think the opposite. So, I'm curious. What problems do you have with newer anime? Do you think that they'll resolve these problems in the future? Personally, I don't think that anime hasn't gotten much better or worse in recent years. Sure, the animation tends to be more impressive, but I don't care for that too much. |
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| I would say modern anime focuses more on harems and heavily pandering to otaku more than ever. I still enjoy modern anime. I would want some more monogamous isekai series. |
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| Nah basically they just loved their old memory so much then no wonder if they hate mostly newcomer animes due to they miss - Tsundere with violence - A lot of race animes - Detail characters artwork - MC that roled by adult characters - Artstyle like western cartoon - Avant garde, dementia, heavy philosophy theme - Also chad mc era before 21th century except Evangelion LOL |
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| You ever go to the beach, and watch the waves, alone? That feeling of loneliness, but also feeling one with the world. It's a subtle emotion, that's hard to put into words, but can be captured in a great scene. I think those subtle emotions are missing from anime today. I love hype action scenes and funny comedies and cryfests as much as anyone. But when visiting older shows, I would get all sorts of real, subtle human emotions that I just don't get as much anymore. |
InovoxJun 6, 2022 2:12 PM
| the colors are too fake cause of the digital but that's minor, some anime look gorgeous main characters are crybabies and wimps compared to what we had back in the day sakuga scenes last 5 seconds compared to back in the day |
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rohan121 said: heavily pandering to otaku more than ever. its not doing this any more so than it was in the late 90s/2000s... its just way more mainstream about it |
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Inovox said: You ever go to the beach, and watch the waves, alone? That feeling of loneliness, but also feeling one with the world. It's a subtle emotion, that's hard to put into words, but can be captured in a great scene. I think those subtle emotions are missing from anime today. I love hype action scenes and funny comedies and cryfests as much as anyone. But when visiting older shows, I would get all sorts of real, subtle human emotions that I just don't get as much anymore. Yea, it's kind of unfortunate that emotional subtlety is not a strong suit of many shows... Some of those 2000s shows are paced different, and I like it. It's not entirely missing, that Aquarium anime got me to tear up, and barely anything happened... https://myanimelist.net/anime/46093/Shiroi_Suna_no_Aquatope |
| In the future isekai will surely go obsolete like mecha in the future..then it will new anime season without 20 isekai series.. |
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| I do think there's a downward trend, but it's not like there are one or two obvious things which stick out to blame. I think it's a general trend towards the superficial as a result of this trend existing within society. you have smartphones and social media applications carefully designed to be addictive, algorithms using notifications and clickbait to condition people towards thoughtlessly consuming whatever appears in front of them. And so we now have television catering to people thusly conditioned. |
| What problems do you have with newer anime? it's a lot of things at once. 1. the visuals are absolute ass right now. both art and animation, mind. characters are more simplified, detail lacking everywhere. lineart has no thickness, it's all gradient shading. cgi overuse, which signifies two things. aside from them no longer tracing cgi. first is that the animators who had an eye for drawing animals and mechanical stuff kind of died out. second: artistic choices made out of necessity to save time instead of the betterment of the product. the average show lacks animation so badly that it looks like a powerpoint presentation. 2. themes completely disappeared. this includes mecha and magical girls outside of precure and gundam. cyberpunk, sci-fi in general is very lacking, standard fantasy is more or less gone by now because isekai took it's place. the highschool battle thing disappeared overnight. delinquent anime was wiped off the earth. shoujo anime is nonexistent. urban fantasy is gone. the list goes on. there's more anime being made made at once than ever before, and it's all romcom, cgdct, slapstick comedy, and isekai. nothing else. it's kind of sad that we had more stuff to choose from when only 20 anime was airing, than now that there's 60? or more. 3. characters don't have outstanding personalities. you can sum up everyone with "the nice guy, the tsundere, the passive one." and so on. where's the smug dickhead who wipes his ass with everybody? where's the reasonable guy doing wrong for right reasons? where's the plain evil protag who only wants to ruin stuff? where's the perverted mc who just wants to get laid, and isn't afraid of women? where's the bromance? people no longer do flashy stuff because it's cool, feels like everything is forced, out of necessity. "I don't want to fight but I must" the working class hero thing was interesting a few times but it's overdone. 4. tonal shift. anime is more lighthearted than ever. there was a very melancholic aura up until 2010. there was a really edgy aura around the 90s. the sense of everything is wrong with the world having to take steps to fix it is just not there anymore. anime always had it's prominent themes over the years, and often you see "here's my take on this specific topic". nowadays it looks like the can I copy your homework? meme. see gotoubun and we never learn. or asterisk war and rakudai kishi edgy content is no longer made. fyi, edgy means shocking themes and visuals. edgy isn't "thing I don't like or understand" or "characters doing a crazy grin" everyone flipped their shit over a women pinned down in goblin slayer, the exact same thing happened in gaikotsu kishi just now and nobody bat an eye. give me violence jack or teito monogatari. majuu sensen come on. 5. mass production of anime in general. just because more anime is made it doesn't mean there's more staff to work with. there are more studios however, because bigger studios fell apart. there's less people from japan on every project and a lot of it is outsourced to other countries. there's also the rush. meeting deadlines is more important than anything else since the episodes have to air at a given time. the end result feels and looks cheap. 6. anime is no longer creator driven, it's not even a product that has to sell. anime itself is the advertisement for the source material, be it lightnovels or visual novels or manga. it's commissioned by the publisher and paid by a committee. 7. opening songs are no longer cool. it's just club music with whoo whoo yeah yeah and rap. I hate this trend. where's the synth pop? where's the rock? this is the least of the problem though, I can just skip it. so anime doesn't look or feel the same. it's even made for different reasons. it's completely different from what it used to be. it's not something you notice if you started after 2015 because the problems started to appear there. assuming you read this much you can probably give me counter examples, because op mcs exist still, there are openings with guitars, enjoyable lightnovel adaptations and great isekai etc. trust me I know. Do you think that they'll resolve these problems in the future? I want to be hopeful, but that's only because demon slayer made a lot of money. given how gatcha has taken over japan entirely by now, and otaku pour their money into that instead of buying expensive bluray sets, and with the parallel decline in effort seemingly spent on tv shows... I can assume that the creators themselves have lost faith in the medium. it might be a wrong assumption, but if that's the case, kimetsu's success will make a difference. counterpoint: attack on titan was extremely popular, made a shitload of money, was edgy, had good animation, had line thickness. it spawned one or two copycats, what they really ended up copying over was the world within walls concept, not the overall quality and themes. so they avoided everything that made it stand out... still I'm KINDA hopeful, but it might take for smaller studios to merge and less shows being made before anything can change. but why would it when kadokawa ordered 40 isekai shows for this year? that's 10 slots every season. we might see the industry collapse entirely before a positive change occurs. |
nyugvo6Jun 7, 2022 10:59 AM
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| This season has so much isekai. Newer companies just don't wanna take the risk the risk in doing something different. The anime is made to suit the current customers. Also, I don't understand what message some anime are tryna send. |
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| because they all follow a certain generic pattern like having ( sports, isekai or shitty fantasy shows, harem, SOL[slice of life], romcom and also idol animes). It gets boring and over-saturated when all of them feel like their just there as quantity over quality. At least there are some good shows that exist among the mass of quantities each season. |
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| Maybe that's because 90% of newer anime are just recycled trash that barely improved anything over the original? Also too many anime that are only about some mediocre waifu bait or isekai. There are good new anime, just not many of them. |
| I pretty much only watch older anime, but I watch *some* newer ones. Basically... -Newer anime looks generic and doesn't have an interesting/detailed artstyle -They seem to have bland storylines with Gary Stu/Mary Su protagonist -They also seem to be some generic waifu bait/harem tropey bs, or they're generic battle shonen which I've seen 1000 times already I think it could get better in the future, but right now it feels like anime is so oversaturated that most things being made right now are just cheap garbage. |
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| I don't care if an anime is new or old but I just naturally tend to watch older anime. They just feel more authentic in my opinion... |
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| Sometimes I just like the older style of animation better |
Cestlavie_ said: I agree with everything but the openings I think music and OSTS have gotten better actually, Comedy from spy family and Kongming op Are quite nice I didn't comment on OSTs, because I rarely listen to them but my favorite one is the rebuild of evangelion 3 ost which is "recent". I like sagisu's style in general. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w3JZ5ppWsA some of my favorite openings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7e3hjvcXWM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCSvNvrIx5E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oX8Ih9r4oI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNhyVTg5MfA my favorite comedy anime, if you're interested: https://myanimelist.net/anime/582/Sexy_Commando_Gaiden__Sugoi_yo_Masaru-san https://myanimelist.net/anime/2104/Seto_no_Hanayome https://myanimelist.net/anime/37171/Asobi_Asobase |
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| Newer anime is missing something pretentious like the soul and feeling, or some stupid shit like that but sometimes gems do surface: https://myanimelist.net/anime/40664/Shoujo%E2%98%86Kageki_Revue_Starlight_Movie |
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