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Shirowhite01 said: Piromysl said: Original is a masterpiece and easily one of the top 10 of my fav. But this is just garbage adaptation of Gatcha Game. Shitton of irrelevant characters wasting screen time, each as interesting as Kirito, which effectively turns this spinoof into s chore. At least 4th movie is coming, so I'll be working on repressing this from my memory, I guess. I see, so basically all u can do is compare this to Madoka u couldn't see this series fpr what it is. Ur attitude towards this series tells a lot about u...That's why MadoMagi fans tend to get a bad reputation because u guys always shit on series that is not MadokaMagi. There is no need to be upset. Anyway, if you really think this garbage and (thankfully) totally skippable adaptation of Gatcha Game is somehow on par with original, then you do yours. Just don't tell anyone we had a conversation. |
PiromyslApr 8, 2022 4:41 AM
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Shirowhite01 said: Piromysl said: There is no need to be upset. Anyway, if you really think this garbage and (thankfully) totally skippable adaptation of Gatcha Game is somehow on par with original, then you do yours. Just don't tell anyone we had a conversation. Unlike u sir i don't compare one series to another, i see it for what it is. Just because Madoka had more focus on the main characters (there's hardly any side characters there) doesn't mean it should be put on a pedestal and then shit talk about other series that don't rely on a Goddess to resolve all the problem in one go. It's no doubt Magia Record had issues when it comes to pacing and the changes with the storyline but it's still pretty decent to me...Too bad we didn't get to see all the magical girls fight the Walpurgis i just hope Shaft planned the story well. I don't really need to compare it to deem it garbage. If it wouldn't be a part of Madoka universe, this thing would be completely forgettable, but as it is, it will now make a nasty taint on the franchise. |
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| The franchise definitely didn't need such a poorly written, confusing, unfocused spin-off, full of characters that add little or nothing and countless poorly explained points. Glad this mess has finally come to an end. |
| "If someone says it's wrong to hope, I'll tell them they're wrong every single time." |
| My overall opinion on this series: S1 ep1: Amazing episode. Rest of S1: Rollercoaster of emotions, ranging from terrible to amazing. Terrible pacing issue. S2 ep1: Amazing episode. Rest of S2: Some amazing episodes (especially Iroha Doppel episode) with amazing, yet clunky fight sequences (fixed in Blu-ray), but overall, weird pacing. S3 ep1: Amazing episode. Ep2: wtf Ep3: Strong episode Ep4: wtf Overall for S3: Extremely rushed, not a single fight sequence worth remembering (big contrast to S2, even worse than S1), and the whole buildup about the walpisthingy night stuff, all down the drain with a kamikaze suicide charge, and worse of all, OFF-SCREEN! Magia Record had the potential of being really interesting and being good, but ultimately, I feel like they were held down by the game. They should've just taken the concept of Doppel and did their own thing. Note: I have not played the game nor do I hold the original Madoka on some pedestal. |
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| Forgot this even existed, and struggled to sit through these last 4 episodes. 85% of the time I had no idea what was going on at all, and it's not worth rewatching the previous season just to catch up. 2/5. only reason it gets even a 2 is because iroha is cute af |
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| More than 10 years have passed since I saw Madoka Magica and I still remember most of the scenes. Just finished this 'whatever should I call it' and during the ending sequence I was like "Oh yeah, that happened too!" I'm pretty sure I'll forget it all within a week except the bitter aftertaste in my mouth. This is why old masterpieces should have been left alone, not treated as easy cash grabs. |
| I got sorely disappointed after getting my hopes up after season 2. This had so much potential and I loved some of the characters to the point of caring about their future but somewhere inbetween season 2 and season 3 the production value and storyline quality dropped immensly but I still enjoyed being back in the madoka universe nonetheless and there were some hype moments that still linger in my mind. |
idk why I was here but I'm prob back to playing Dragon's Dogma 2 again when you read this |
| this thing was as expected pretty pointless and forgettable but doesn't the ending imply that Madoka died and Homura went back in time to try and save her again? but the story still went on for everyone else so doesn't that mean that whenever Homura 'restarts the timeline' she actually just creates an alternate timeline and lives there until she fails to save Madoka and restarts again? so doesn't that mean that before the ending of the og TV show there were hundreds of alternate timelines, in all of which Madoka is dead and Homura disappears after Walpurgisnacht? interesting. but as far as i'm aware, every timeline would get erased by Madoka at the end of the og TV series (and then again by Homura at the end of Rebellion?) so this one would also disappear at that point. (although it's been a while since i saw the show and Rebellion movie, maybe i missed something) so God Madoka closing the Magia Record book is symbolic of her erasing every timeline (except her own) at the end of the og TV show and the events, sacrifices, etc. of magical girls in them only remaining in her memory. cool, i guess it does tie into the sequence shown at the end of the episode, saying how all their achievements are unseen and only remembered by a few. still doesn't change the fact that none of their sacrifices (Touka, Ui, Nemu, Momoko, Mifuyu, Kuroe) mattered because the timeline gets erased and only God Madoka (and later Homura after Rebellion?) will remember it. although one could say that it doesn't matter that everything got erased at the end of the og TV show and later Rebellion, all the events depicted here still *did* happen, and that's totally valid. but it just makes me personally care much less about these types of side stories, i just wanna see what happens in the Rebellion sequel, y'know? and of course, these are just my thoughts about the lore and nature of this side story, everyone else already talked about the underwhelming production values, plot, and characters, which all dampened my enjoyment. 5/10, i could still have enjoyed this much more if the aforementioned was better. |
PatasApr 14, 2022 3:59 PM
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| Overall, I think that last episode made me realize the most how I feel about this spinoff overall.. I think that the most enjoyable time Madoka gives - is when it focuses on the individual stories of the girls.. Their hard lives, what they went through, what decisions made, how felt, how sad it was.. Focus on the characters scenes, moments, episodes - the best, what provides Madoka series.. In my personal opinion.. And spinoff was a strange mix of these best things.. And also some worldbuilding, which I didn't enjoy as much, but what is, I guess, needed, to put our girls in some story.. Just to show Kuroe's story, or Sana's story, or any story isn't enough by itself.. So I think some story is needed.. But I also felt that maybe anime could use even more screen time for girls and their stories, even more focus on characters.. When it was - it was quite enjoyable.. And when it wasn't.. It was fine.. But I think that maybe balance could be shifted a little.. But this is my personal feel and opinion, of course.. Thanks for several touching stories, Madoka's spinoff.. Now I hope for touching movie after great touching Rebellion movie we had.. |
| sad, Kuroe also died. I thought she might be saved. But Iroha was actually saying the wrong things to her. Touka, Nemu, and Ui (in small Kyu form) also die, sad that there are so many deaths in this show. Well, but their sacrifice delayed Alina from merging with Walpurgis. and finally, Alina is the craziest person in this anime. She would have succeeded if the lolis did not sacrifice themselves. that scene where the three friends from the hospital are sitting under the Sakura Uwasa.. one chair is blank. Looks like they're waiting for their Iroha nee-sama? overall, still enjoyed this. With many lessons learned. and I guess if Touka and Nemu survive, they might try to continue with the doppel system again. |
Liddo-kunApr 24, 2022 6:00 AM
| Echoing what someone else said about everything in Magia Record being pointless, ultimately, if Homura resets this timeline as well. No idea what the final scene between Iroha and Madoka is supposed to mean or where it fits within the current (?) timeline. Is Iroha delivering the "record" to Madoka after she dies, then goes to join the other three under the sakura tree? Is Madoka doing this for every iteration of Iroha from every timeline? Or is this the only timeline when Iroha and the others manage to defeat Alina / Eve / Touka / Nemu / Walpurgisnacht / whoever's the antagonist? Pretty scene to give some closure, I guess, but raises more questions than it answers and makes things more messy. Unless Homura actually teleports to another timeline in place of that timeline's Homura. Unsurprisingly, interdimensional-time-travel is messy. At least the cinematography was great and the animation was better and more consistent than in previous seasons. Even if I don't remember much from them, S3 felt less tedious than the rest. Alina was the most annoying character I've come across recently. Very edgy and her mixing random English words into her speech was eyeroll-worthy. 7/10 acceptable I guess, glad that it's finally over. |
| I understood every single word that I read through the subtitles. Put them together though, I didn't understand a single sentence in this season. The fuck. I will pretend that I did understand some of it and just slap a 4/10 to this season and just move on. |
| "Life is too bitter, so coffee, at least should be sweet..." - Hikigaya Hachiman (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatte Iru) |
| The first season of this adaptation had a decent start and some interesting thoughts and ideas but I feel like it ultimately went nowhere. The messages they're trying to convey we've already seen in Madoka Magica mostly and I really couldn't get attached to these characters at all. Decent start, mediocre season 2 and ending. |
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| I have no idea what I watched xD Well, I don´t even know what to say, sincerely lol I mean, that was it? Everything was happening randomly and just accept it? xD |
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| So, nothing has changed, all this drama just to at the end the plan to save the mahou shoujos fail. They will still suffer. I guess that is a good ending in Madoka universe. Season 1 was good but everything went downhill afterwards. Also Alina Gray character is confusing, her reasons and motivations needed more depth, she died anyway, I guess Shaft ran out of money (since it seemed the anime lacked some scenes that would be useful to give more insight on what was happening). |
| I hope this steaming pile of shit never comes back again. I'm hoping that the Fourth movie REALLY was written in 2014 by a competent version of Urobuchi. |
| Finally got to finishing this! And all I really have to say is... eh. I'm not sure what I was holding out on as the finale is the same as the rest of the show. I guess I just wanted something to finally "click" and then Magia Record would somehow justify itself but nah it just ended up being more of what was already there before. The first half of season 2 is what made me get my hopes up that finally it would go somewhere but I guess that was just a fluke. In the end my main problems are that it introduces a huge cast, ignores at least half of it for the vast majority, and then stuff just happens. I enjoy avant-garde stuff and introducing weird unique visuals for the sake of it (the original Madoka does that greatly), but when it actively interferes with a coherent story or even the current set of events is when it becomes an issue. Half of my time watching the entire series was trying to guess what was even trying to be conveyed or even what the general story trying to be told was, but now that I know it wasn't trying to lead anywhere specific, I guess the bulk of it was introducing vague terms and concepts to make it fit into being related to Madoka without ever truly tying in with being an important side story to it and I just assumed it was at least trying to go somewhere before now. And especially the characters, I just couldn't get myself to care about anybody. They're forgotten as soon as they're introduced, and until some came back in the finale I totally forgot about their existence. Overall I don't hate this, if you REALLY have to have more Madoka after finishing the original show/Rebellion it's a fine enough watch, but it's just pretty forgettable and could have done so much more. Honestly the ending is ironically fitting, it's a record for events that nobody knows happened and will be forgotten. So, I'm just gonna give this a 5/10. There's small things that I did enjoy. The visuals could be great and some of the fights looked amazing, and the music is still very good (especially the ED for this episode), but everything else was meh. |
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Shirowhite01 said: Tabemonogatari said: Finally got to finishing this! And all I really have to say is... eh. I'm not sure what I was holding out on as the finale is the same as the rest of the show. I guess I just wanted something to finally "click" and then Magia Record would somehow justify itself but nah it just ended up being more of what was already there before. The first half of season 2 is what made me get my hopes up that finally it would go somewhere but I guess that was just a fluke. In the end my main problems are that it introduces a huge cast, ignores at least half of it for the vast majority, and then stuff just happens. I enjoy avant-garde stuff and introducing weird unique visuals for the sake of it (the original Madoka does that greatly), but when it actively interferes with a coherent story or even the current set of events is when it becomes an issue. Half of my time watching the entire series was trying to guess what was even trying to be conveyed or even what the general story trying to be told was, but now that I know it wasn't trying to lead anywhere specific, I guess the bulk of it was introducing vague terms and concepts to make it fit into being related to Madoka without ever truly tying in with being an important side story to it and I just assumed it was at least trying to go somewhere before now. And especially the characters, I just couldn't get myself to care about anybody. They're forgotten as soon as they're introduced, and until some came back in the finale I totally forgot about their existence. To be fair, the anime diverted from the game's epilogue of this arc. And here i'm wondering just how dumb they are i mean all they have to do is adapt what's written in the story of the game into the anime but NO! THEY CHOSE TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT AND RUINED THE STORY! It wasn't meant to be a forgettable record. Yeah, I was reading more about the game's ending (and the general story/characters), and it completely baffles me why Shaft decided to change things like they did. And it's not even like the changes are better in theory, even just the game's ending sounds infinitely more interesting for an alternative perspective to the general Madoka Magica story. If it stayed the same but things were cut-down due to budget/production issues that'd be one thing, but it manages to be different and not even deliver on that. I seriously hope this is no indication for how the 4th Madoka movie will turn out. I doubt it, but then again if you told me a couple years ago an official Madoka spinoff would've been mediocre and forgettable I wouldn't have believed it. |
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| And in the end, friendship, love and memories come to save both Iroha and Yashiro from becoming witches or fusing with their dopples. They've defeated the big bad, whom was confirmed to indeed be Madoka (shown as Homura going back in time at the end). It seems Kuroe is indeed with the alternate reality Madoka, who saved the world at cost of herself. I suppose we'll see them again in the 4th movie. I do wonder, where will Magia Record go from here... yeah this chapter is finished now, but the app still seems to have an ongoing story. What will Iroha do without Ui, the driving force of her story. Will they have a future... especially since no one but them, Madoka and Kuroe know about what happened in that timeline. Are they present in the true timeline? Kuroe would've been a witch either way I suppose. But Ui, Iroha, the others... did they survive? I usually make a title drop joke but dang. I hope in the other timeline they'll at least be happy. |
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Ranacchi said: And in the end, friendship, love and memories come to save both Iroha and Yashiro from becoming witches or fusing with their dopples. They've defeated the big bad, whom was confirmed to indeed be Madoka (shown as Homura going back in time at the end). It seems Kuroe is indeed with the alternate reality Madoka, who saved the world at cost of herself. I suppose we'll see them again in the 4th movie. I do wonder, where will Magia Record go from here... yeah this chapter is finished now, but the app still seems to have an ongoing story. What will Iroha do without Ui, the driving force of her story. Will they have a future... especially since no one but them, Madoka and Kuroe know about what happened in that timeline. Are they present in the true timeline? Kuroe would've been a witch either way I suppose. But Ui, Iroha, the others... did they survive? I usually make a title drop joke but dang. I hope in the other timeline they'll at least be happy. Anime diverges quite a lot from game story. While all the girls survive in game, here a lot of them die. Quite tragic, but inline with what we see in most Madoka Magica stories, as for an equal amount of hope, there's an equal amount of despair. Nothing is free, and if something seems too good to be true, there's someone out there paying for it. If you talk about true timeline (the main Madoka Magica timeline), most of the girls die, including Iroha. Her sister, Touka and Nemu, die too. She does eventually make contract with Kyubey, because she has potential to be a magical girl (and thus a witch). If you think about it, she doesn't meet Yachiyo, Tsuruno, Felicia, or Sana. Felicia and Sana would also eventually have shorter life span (weak magical girls, not in a group, lack of grief seeds and fierce competition). That stands true for most weak magical girls, that why you won't see magical girls in Mitakihara, Tsuruno might have died of depression. If Iroha didn't wish for Ui to be saved, a lot of girls would have died. The karmic destiny and the nature of wish made by Ui, Touka and Nemu change the course of the timeline so much, that even if Madokami reverts changes, a lot of them would die anyway. Witches are crucial in this timelines, that's why Madokami kept it as it is. So in the end, those who were supposed to die, died in the end. There were lives saved, and lot of magical girls got another chance in life, at the cost of some Momoko and Mitama dying. The story is quite complex with huge potential, but flopped due to poor execution. If Madoka Magica is a cake, Magia Record is cherry on top. Only if they presented in a better way, it would have been well received. |
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| lmao that was anticlimactic af. they killed alina greeeeeen! |
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| Quite a confusing finale... It all went so fast. But I think that I got most of it. However, one thing : if Homura goes back in time, why does this timeline still exist ? It makes even less sense considering that So yeah, I'm pretty confused about that. Aside from that, I liked this season a lot more than the last two, but still, at the end of the day it really suffered from the flaws that were alaways plaguing this show, especially the main one : too many things, not enough time. This means a rushed story, not enough screentime for most characters, and concepts that aren't explored well enough. To summarize, a lot of wasted potential. And that's a real shame because this show had all the right ideas ! It's so interesting to use the world of Madoka Magica to tell this kind of story about magical girls who sacrificed everything for nothing, not even being remembered by those who aren't a part of it ! It's such a great idea to show them desperatly try to fight against their fate ! But it needed more time. It was too ambitious for its own good. I'm not saying I disliked it, I had a good time watching it, some scenes got me quite emotional or at the very least touched me, as I said I find the ideas to be great and I even got attached to some characters (mainly Iroha, Yachiyo, Kuroe, Touka and Nemu) ! It was also nice to explore this world differently and even if it felt more like fanservice than anything else, I was glad to see the Holy Quintet in a different story ! It really just could've been more but often fell flat due to not developing its concepts well enough. While I watched a let's play of a few chapters of the game, I have no idea how it ends so I hope it took more its time to tell its story as it should be told. |
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