| Well, not yet, but it's a nice goal: Barack Obama says it should be possible to send astronauts to orbit the planet Mars by the mid-2030s and return them safely to Earth. The US president made the claim in a major speech to staff and guests at the Kennedy Space Center in Florida. He was laying out the details of his new policy for the US space agency. Mr Obama said he was giving Nasa challenging goals and the funding needed to achieve them, including an extra $6bn over the next five years. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8623691.stm Happy space people. :D The White House has been under fire since announcing in February that it wanted to shut down Constellation, the current programme to replace the ageing space shuttle. Mr Obama said the proposed Orion crewship, its Ares launch rocket, together with the rest of the project's Moon-bound architecture were on an unsustainable path, costing too much money and taking too long to develop. The president claimed a refocused Nasa could achieve more, sooner than under Constellation. And well, there goes another Bush plan replaced. >:D Though, I still wonder about skipping the moon. Sure, in the 2030's... humans near Mars? That'd be a nice thing to see in the news... within my lifetime. Finally, with the space shuttle to be retired within this year, development for new space craft is inevitable anyways. |
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| I still think Obama is the antichrist. |
| I think he's just a douche. |
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| There's already a simulation of a 640 days long Mars mission currently being held in Russia, with the real mission being scheduled for early 2020's. There's of course no guarantees everything will go as planned, but who knows... |
| Was that before or after he started calcining space programs? |
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| I think a single Mars mission is fucking pointless. We need to open up for corporations to start expanding into space industry if we're ever going to get into a space age. And for that we'd need a permanent moonbase or something, a space elevator and ideally, mining operations in the rim or something. |
Baman said: I think a single Mars mission is fucking pointless. We need to open up for corporations to start expanding into space industry if we're ever going to get into a space age. And for that we'd need a permanent moonbase or something, a space elevator and ideally, mining operations in the rim or something. That all sounds nice and dandy, if it were plausible. The sheer capital it would take to even think about the project would require a major world unification, not necessarily a one government deal but a cooperating system of governments that would dynamically interact with one another economically and politically. Basically we should worry more about established frontiers and leave the final frontier for future generations. In addition, quantum mechanics is going through a revolution, it would be foolish to distract the precise experiments that physicists are preforming right now by reallocating funds for a nearly impossible goal. |
Baman said: I think a single Mars mission is fucking pointless. We need to open up for corporations to start expanding into space industry if we're ever going to get into a space age. And for that we'd need a permanent moonbase or something, a space elevator and ideally, mining operations in the rim or something. Making it to Mars would be a nice thing to see, but you're right in that setting up a permanent moon base should be a higher priority. |
Baman said: I think a single Mars mission is fucking pointless. We need to open up for corporations to start expanding into space industry if we're ever going to get into a space age. And for that we'd need a permanent moonbase or something, a space elevator and ideally, mining operations in the rim or something. Space elevator is probably the only really plausible thing in the near future. Maybe a permanent moon base, but not for industry. The most desperately needed resource, fossil fuels, can't be found anywhere feasibly near earth. Water, foods, and minerals can be found (or grown in the case of food) on mars or the moon in theory, but even assuming it were possible to implement now, the investment in just the maintenance of that infrastructure would be orders greater than the payoff. I don't really understand why the first manned mission to Mars would involve orbit only. Why send people if you're just going to orbit Mars? I don't think that would give us any more knowledge than some unmanned orbiter. Might as well land on the first mission and look for water/signs of life. It might be another 20 years but is there really a point to just orbiting mars? |
Baman said: I think a single Mars mission is fucking pointless. We need to open up for corporations to start expanding into space industry if we're ever going to get into a space age. And for that we'd need a permanent moonbase or something, a space elevator and ideally, mining operations in the rim or something. I still drool for the space elevator - to reduce lift costs by a factor of 100 (or more). Once THAT is taken care of... then access to space will be very very cheap and easier. |
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ace52387 said: I don't really understand why the first manned mission to Mars would involve orbit only. Why send people if you're just going to orbit Mars? I don't think that would give us any more knowledge than some unmanned orbiter. Might as well land on the first mission and look for water/signs of life. It might be another 20 years but is there really a point to just orbiting mars? There's a point in going into orbit. It is to study and check the life systems that will enable humans to live a long time in space. After this is cleared, and scientists are sure that a manned landing(which is more difficult) is feasable, then man can walk on Mars. We did the same thing with the moon. The US didn't just go up to the moon and landed. Apollo 8 & 10 were the first manned spacecraft to orbit the moon, but didn't land. Instead, they paved the way for Apollo 11 a year later. |
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KyuuAL said: Baman said: I still drool for the space elevator - to reduce lift costs by a factor of 100 (or more). Once THAT is taken care of... then access to space will be very very cheap and easier. I would love to ride one, but the fact is that we don't have the technology needed, and the resources that will be used. I would love to ride one within my lifetime though. I am a patient man, but death waits for noone.^^ |
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dpjdm said: Naturally. My point was more that there shouldn't be any need to waste money on half assed exploration attempts, but rather wait till we can roll all out with industry and a full space age.That all sounds nice and dandy, if it were plausible. The sheer capital it would take to even think about the project would require a major world unification, not necessarily a one government deal but a cooperating system of governments that would dynamically interact with one another economically and politically. As for a space elevator, I don't really see the point of building one if we aren't going to start industrializing space or anything. If it's just for occasional exploration missions, I'm sure the upkeep of it would be more than the returns. Even stuff like space tourism is pointless so long as we don't have any permanent offworld outposts. And that Spanish space hotel likely won't be possible by their alleged launch date, I'm sure. If we really want to start thinking seriously about expanding out there and creating outposts on Mars and stations in the Lagrange points, we'd first need a incentive to start the whole deal. Industry, whether it's mining or solar power collection or something, is likely the only way we'll get that incentive. Then, when we have rich and influential corporations wanting to step out there, we could throw up an elevator to enable quick access to orbit, and preferably a orbital shipyard so we won't need to launch ships from Earth anymore. And from there on, we'd have a much easier time sending out research teams and outposts to Mars and beyond. A manned orbit around Mars, or even a short landing won't be sufficient to uncover it's secrets, so it would be much smarter to wait till the whole journey is cheaper and you can manage large scale supply drops for extended explorations. GreatEmperor said: We do have several plausible models of how to build one, and as far as I know, the only limit is the lack of interest, and thus, lack of funding.I would love to ride one, but the fact is that we don't have the technology needed, and the resources that will be used. I would love to ride one within my lifetime though. I am a patient man, but death waits for noone.^^ |
| Why are they going to a desolate planet. They should find a parallel universe or something.....i know i sound crazy..... |
| Being quite the spaceflight otaku I am; I just had to comment on this! :P Manned spaceflight technology has been largely neglected over the last twenty/thirty years or so. Sure, we now have a near complete ISS capable of supporting up to six people for a long time... but the rockets and spaceships taking them there haven't advanced much. The space shuttle takes massive amounts of people and time to ready for the next flight. (they have to replace all the heat resistant tiles and check for leaks/micro meteorite damage etc etc....) And that's where the real cost is. This year is the year of the turnaround in manned spaceflight. NASA will fly the last space shuttle and private companies such as SpaceX and Virgin Galactic will be launching stuff REALLY soon. SpaceX (founded by the guy who invented PayPal, Elon Musk) actually has their Falcon 9 on the launch pad right now! Virgin Galactic are doing flight tests with SpaceshipTwo right now as well! Not forgetting Bigelow Aerospace, which I think is also a major innovator. They have two inflatable space modules up already. I don't believe stuff like space elevators will be feasible for quite some time. NASA's new goal is largely to research innovative ways to get into space. Getting to space (cheaply) means you're halfway to the solar system. So I think this change in NASA's goal is a good one. Nobody can live without spaceflight anymore. I'm talking about unmanned spaceflight, aka satellites. Think of the Internet and all other wonders of modern communication like GPS and cell phones. KyuuAL said: Though, I still wonder about skipping the moon. Sure, in the 2030's... humans near Mars? That'd be a nice thing to see in the news... within my lifetime. Obama said bluntly that "we've been there before". I think you could interpret this as him thinking another Moon landing won't capture people's imaginations. And I think he might be right. The general public has a really short attention span when it comes to these things. I mean, anybody remember what happened on Apollo 12, 14, 15 and 16? (I do because I am a space otaku :3) You'd think landing on the moon would be big news every time but it wasn't unless something was a first, a last or something went wrong. Obama wants them to make a "landing" (though it's more of a docking since there is almost no gravity) on an asteroid close to Earth first. The amazing views from the 3D HD IMAX camera they will undoubtedly bring will be amazing. Maybe more so than a landing on the Moon with an 3D HD IMAX camera. Maybe. Baman said: I think a single Mars mission is fucking pointless. We need to open up for corporations to start expanding into space industry if we're ever going to get into a space age. And for that we'd need a permanent moonbase or something, a space elevator and ideally, mining operations in the rim or something. That is exactly what has been happening. Read up and search around and you'll see the amount of work that has already been done. Baman said: If we really want to start thinking seriously about expanding out there and creating outposts on Mars and stations in the Lagrange points, we'd first need a incentive to start the whole deal. Industry, whether it's mining or solar power collection or something, is likely the only way we'll get that incentive. This is exactly why NASA is funding the private space companies. SpaceX has a contract worth $1.6 billion (and that may increase to $3.1 billion) for delivering cargo and people to the ISS using their Falcon 9 rocket and Dragon spacecraft. Here's a few of my ideas why manned spaceflight is worth it: (in no particular order)
Oh and no, we don't need to fix all the problems on Earth before expanding into space. Any money that's not invested into NASA will not be used to improve schools or decrease the national deficit. I think it will just be spent on war instead. Just my two cents.... I could go on ranting a lot more but I think I'll leave it like this for now. xD edit: OH LAWL I MIGHT HAVE KILLED THE THREAD WITH MY HUGE POST |
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| The Mars to Stay proposal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_to_Stay Send couples to Mars and they will never return to Earth, but to set up a colony there. Question: Who wants to be the Adams & Eves on Mars? |
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| Fuck Mars, ugh. Spend it on people on Earth. ==" |
| Fuck people on earth they're not worth the effort. If it wasn't for them and their lust and corruption spreading so much we would have the technology to colonize another planet already. But nooo you people just can't fucking control your useless selfs can ya? |
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| I'm being an opinionated fuck face here, but to me it seems any progress we've made in science has been like a step backwards for humanity. "Oh look, nuclear fission, new power source created!" A bomb. "Oh look, anti-biotics!" Super bugs. "A car!" Global warming. ^Sure that's triggered by humanity themselves misusing all this wonderful stuff, but really.. Why ditch all hope we have? Why fuck people on earth? We ARE people on earth. Might as well TRY to change the little bit we can as opposed to totally ignoring problems. Humanity has always been a pile of ever-growing lust and corruption, that's why communism always messes up, but what use is it completely ignoring the problem and wasting time on other things? Meh, I can't control it. Everyone as individuals needs to do their bit, which won't happen. Lol, global warming sure is going to rape us one day. Man-made Apocalypse or some shit like that. |
| Just as expected of a corrupted corpse. Your statement is invalid. I was talking about wiping everyone out that is weak, given into temptation, failed to resist corruption. Fortunately that's the majority of the world including on this site so that's a lot of pointless people dead. Once your type is gone the resources of the planet will once again become plentiful. Luckily for me I'm stronger than all of you put together, I'm able to resist all types of temptation. |
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| Now, now wiping people out and leaving only the superior sounds alot like what Hitler set out to do when he killed Jewish people. I think you've filled the criteria for an elitist. I personally think that's alot worse than most of these people in society which you wish to get rid of, which simply wish to live their lives and not just take over. You seem like the greedy one here ._. ---- I'm getting fuckin' trolled now aren't I? LOL |
RageBorne said: Just as expected of a corrupted corpse. Your statement is invalid. I was talking about wiping everyone out that is weak, given into temptation, failed to resist corruption. Fortunately that's the majority of the world including on this site so that's a lot of pointless people dead. Once your type is gone the resources of the planet will once again become plentiful. Luckily for me I'm stronger than all of you put together, I'm able to resist all types of temptation. I'm not going to bother arguing about whether you are right or wrong with your posts. However, nobody should ever assume they are always right and that they are better than everyone else. It seems like you have a sort of superiority complex from the other posts I've read, including this one. Life is much easier when you see people for who they really are, and not for their problems based on 'corruption' as you put it. You've mentioned sinning before so I'm assuming you are religious is some way or another. If you are then shouldn't you leave it up to your God to sort out these people instead of you wasting your time telling everyone how weak they are? Or even if you aren't religious, shouldn't your time be better spent trying to help people better themselves than to continuously belittle them and their way of life? I doubt you'll listen to any of this either way, but I felt I needed to say something because it's getting annoying reading the same posts over and over from you. |
| You know, no one has ever come up with a valid reason to actually help the corrupted. And to this day there still isn't one. So by that, they're not worth the effort it would take to try and reform them. It's like people addicted to drugs. They only have themselves to blame so take them out back and shoot them. |
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| Alright, so if you don't want to help people then that's fine. I'm more bothered by the way you classify anyone you talk to on these forums as corrupted when you don't actually know them personally enough to make such a claim. I'm not 100% sure on what your definition of corrupted is either, although I am curious. Still, no matter what your reasoning is, you are not above everyone else just because you believe yourself 'pure'. I don't even really mind that you think so little of everyone, it's just that it doesn't need to be brought up in almost every one of your posts. |
RageBorne said: You could help "convert" them into your way of thinking, and thus have them carry on changes you want for the world..? Valid? You know, no one has ever come up with a valid reason to actually help the corrupted. And to this day there still isn't one. So by that, they're not worth the effort it would take to try and reform them. It's like people addicted to drugs. They only have themselves to blame so take them out back and shoot them. I honestly wouldn't want more of you though ==" |
I couldn't help but to quote a certain person here by the use of an image. Obviously, you're trolling. Regardless of that, I do feel the need to add that it's pretty much impossible to determine what or who someone is over the internet. The Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory, or rather, GIFT, explains not only the basic concept behind trolls, it's also along the lines of 'anonymity' and 'people not being themselves online'. |
| >Give everyone a spaceship >Cowboys in space >Become bounty hunters with your bffs >Awesometiemz to be had |
Sucrose said: RageBorne said: You could help "convert" them into your way of thinking, and thus have them carry on changes you want for the world..? Valid? You know, no one has ever come up with a valid reason to actually help the corrupted. And to this day there still isn't one. So by that, they're not worth the effort it would take to try and reform them. It's like people addicted to drugs. They only have themselves to blame so take them out back and shoot them. I honestly wouldn't want more of you though ==" You find someone who can do that then you have probably found a mind controlling device. Trying to change people's thoughts has been going on forever and it never works completely. The only thing that would unify people is an alien invasion... oh wait, that still might not do it :( |
| In short, trollers are those who want to support the proposal that "every one should use their real names in the net" |
| I think it will be a long time before the US can have a meaningful space program. I expect China will go the the moon before the US can return there. That might scare the US into exploring space.But I don't see the where the money will come from for a space program. |
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| Personally......I think that we should be fixing things on our planet FIRST before we worry about another planet.....just sayin. |
| I think we should be focusing more on Europa. I mean come on, that's got to be one big monolith :O |
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lucjan said: Wasn't that Jupiter though? I think we should be focusing more on Europa. I mean come on, that's got to be one big monolith :O And I guess there won't be anything interesting on Europa until those monoliths turn Jupiter into a star anyways. |
Baman said: lucjan said: Wasn't that Jupiter though? I think we should be focusing more on Europa. I mean come on, that's got to be one big monolith :O And I guess there won't be anything interesting on Europa until those monoliths turn Jupiter into a star anyways. No, Jupiter was the one supporting the Monolith on Europa. And yeah, it might be interesting for a couple days. But no nights would be a truly hellish experience. |
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lucjan said: Baman said: lucjan said: Wasn't that Jupiter though? I think we should be focusing more on Europa. I mean come on, that's got to be one big monolith :O And I guess there won't be anything interesting on Europa until those monoliths turn Jupiter into a star anyways. No, Jupiter was the one supporting the Monolith on Europa. And yeah, it might be interesting for a couple days. But no nights would be a truly hellish experience. I was trying to copy and paste some monoliths here, but I can't find them. |
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Masnoon said: lucjan said: Baman said: lucjan said: Wasn't that Jupiter though? I think we should be focusing more on Europa. I mean come on, that's got to be one big monolith :O And I guess there won't be anything interesting on Europa until those monoliths turn Jupiter into a star anyways. No, Jupiter was the one supporting the Monolith on Europa. And yeah, it might be interesting for a couple days. But no nights would be a truly hellish experience. I was trying to copy and paste some monoliths here, but I can't find them. Wasn't that hard teh find  |
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Sucrose said: Fuck Mars, ugh. Spend it on people on Earth. ==" We owe the majority of our modern technology to the Space Program. Robotics, Agricultural, Medical, Consumer Electronics, Defense, Science, and Engineering Feilds to name a few, received massive advancements due to the space program. Focusing on the stars always trickles back to improving Earth. Sucrose said: I'm being an opinionated fuck face here, but to me it seems any progress we've made in science has been like a step backwards for humanity. "Oh look, nuclear fission, new power source created!" A bomb. sure if you ignore the massive amounts of science and understanding that has come out of splitting the atom. More good has come out of Nuclear Fission then bad. "Oh look, anti-biotics!" Super bugs. Super bugs have been around long before the discovery of anti-biotics. But anti-biotics and and anti-septics alone doubled the life expectancy of humans. "A car!" Global warming. Original concepts for car engines where made to run on Bio fuels, but Oil was dirt cheap and the technology to create Bio Fuels was ineffective and expensive. |
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KyuuAL said: well shit, why does he give a shit again? if it's that late, how's he going to take the credit or revel in the glory of it all. at least kennedy was smart in wanting to be credited and was like "yoyo, moon man soon man, the 60's". granted he got shot but.Barack Obama says it should be possible to send astronauts to orbit the planet Mars by the mid-2030s and return them safely to Earth. |
Omnimalevolent1 said: great... just what we need... more taxes to spend on another "fake moon landing" :P I could totally see it, tax the public a few trillion bucks... pay hollywood a few hundred million to make a good believable mars-landing... that is some damn awesome movie revenue... :P hahaha, not entirely serious on this, I just think space travel at the time is not economical, especially when we have enough issues ON the earth as it stands, unless we find some place that looks better, what is the point. I think it is just obama making more wild claims, who does the fucker think he is? JFK? One can only hope things turn out much the same...I would really like to see the overconfident douche out of office... preferably in a less pleasant fashion. I mean, what is he trying to accomplish with all his ridiculous and poorly (or perhaps extremely well) funded projects. ......you made me laugh XD |
lucjan said: Masnoon said: lucjan said: Baman said: lucjan said: Wasn't that Jupiter though? I think we should be focusing more on Europa. I mean come on, that's got to be one big monolith :O And I guess there won't be anything interesting on Europa until those monoliths turn Jupiter into a star anyways. No, Jupiter was the one supporting the Monolith on Europa. And yeah, it might be interesting for a couple days. But no nights would be a truly hellish experience. I was trying to copy and paste some monoliths here, but I can't find them. Wasn't that hard teh find HAHA! I applaud you for finding my monoliths. As a matter of fact, I approve of the moon's (wait really, THAT is the moon?) texture and clarity. |
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| oh mars, I would rather they travel to sun. At least there is infinite energy in the planet (cough) |
Sucrose said: Fuck Mars, ugh. Spend it on people on Earth. ==" I couldn't agree more. |
| >But should he really be funding space programs when we have so much debt? because it's generally accepted that the Earth is hopeless and no, Mars is not the only space program. |
| United States claiming Mars already? |
| getting information about our neighboring planets is great....that would be a really a big step..... spending the money is not much worth....humans have gone too far.. :( and anyway,we are gonna die in a few million years....but till then if the technology would be high enough to rise the chances of living on other planets and adopting them as our home.... maybe,Mars could save us...? |
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