Seirei Gensouki Episode 4 Discussion

Jul 27, 2021 9:11 AM

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Fuyukiw

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The protagonist kinda reminds me of Kirito not gonna lie.

Jul 27, 2021 9:52 AM

#52

Sigmar-Unberogen

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Latifa be Raphtalia's long lost cousin or something...

P.S suck reincarnating as a furry-loli slave...

Jul 27, 2021 12:31 PM

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Pretty good episode.
Rio's adventure has begun in order to find the land that his mom was talking about.
And the food in Galwark Kingdom is unique, pasta. Seems like there's another reincarnated person there. Liselotte is also suspicious.

And damn, Rapthalia came out of nowhere. That was a good fight. Definitly like the blue aura around them. An easy win for Rio. And Latifa, the beast girl, is also an reincarnated person. Well she's was the other girl in the bus.

Well, they ended up on adventure together. The visuals were pretty amazing with the ED song. Beautiful done.

“You yourself have to change first, or nothing will change for you!”

'

Jul 27, 2021 12:45 PM

#54

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theGodde said:

arsfugal said:
Why kirito didn't told raphtalia that he also from tokyo? I don't see any reason to hide that fact, or is it just to maintain his mysterious black swordman chara?

A lot of mediocre anime this season, still waiting for mushoku tensei s2 and tate yuusha s2...

also strange coincidence that out of all the beast people she just happened to be the one who a random Japanese kid was reincarnated into

also why is that kid pulling the strings, wouldn't it be his dad and the actual people in control who would be in charge of these sort of things. Why would this stuck up prick ever go within 10 metres of a stinky, uncultured, inferior demi-human anyway?

aside from that they just FF a ton of character development between Latifa and Rio.
Also Rio himself is super inconsistent. Is he a hardcore adventurer, or a charming but distant guy? You can't make him both edgy and super nice. This guy's got no flaws and is probably even more bland than Kirito

"Strange Coincidence"? All anime has strange coincidences idiot, if you think like this you probably can't enjoy any kind of fiction, take for example death note, strange coincidence that Light,who happened to picked up death note was a perfect opponent to oppose L, another one is shield hero, strange coincidence that it was naofumi that became the shield hero instead of motoyasu blah blah blah
Also a mc like this isn't new, even the popular rimuru and rudeus is still inconsistent, concluding this in four episodes is peak stupidity

Araragi_8manJul 27, 2021 1:00 PM

Jul 27, 2021 4:24 PM

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Araragi_8man said:

theGodde said:

also strange coincidence that out of all the beast people she just happened to be the one who a random Japanese kid was reincarnated into

also why is that kid pulling the strings, wouldn't it be his dad and the actual people in control who would be in charge of these sort of things. Why would this stuck up prick ever go within 10 metres of a stinky, uncultured, inferior demi-human anyway?

aside from that they just FF a ton of character development between Latifa and Rio.
Also Rio himself is super inconsistent. Is he a hardcore adventurer, or a charming but distant guy? You can't make him both edgy and super nice. This guy's got no flaws and is probably even more bland than Kirito

"Strange Coincidence"? All anime has strange coincidences idiot, if you think like this you probably can't enjoy any kind of fiction, take for example death note, strange coincidence that Light,who happened to picked up death note was a perfect opponent to oppose L, another one is shield hero, strange coincidence that it was naofumi that became the shield hero instead of motoyasu blah blah blah
Also a mc like this isn't new, even the popular rimuru and rudeus is still inconsistent, concluding this in four episodes is peak stupidity

those aren't coincidences, they are direct consequences of events

L existed in that world and had always existed. It is a direct result of Light's actions as Kira that cause L to take on the case. Cause -> effect.
Naofumi is essentially a blank slate at the start of the show, and all the personality traits we know him for are as a result of the betrayal he experienced early on. It's no coincidence who each hero is, as each hero is in fact an archetypal role. We know this because we find out from that Fillial lady that the previous Shield Hero was very, very similar to Naofumi - which would suggest that the Heroes are summoned for each role depending on their personality.

Coincidental storytelling is usually a bad thing. This is because having key characters meet or develop through coincidence reduces character choice. And character choice is important because it informs us on who they are, and develops them. Character choice is by far the most important aspect of storytelling out of anything else. Think about all you favourite (non action) scenes in all of anime. They are probably character choices. A character who makes decisions and faces consequences because of them is more interesting than a character who makes no decisions and is merely carried by coincidence. In layman's terms, coincidence in storytelling can feel cheap and unearned.
There is probably one case where you can get away with coincidental storytelling - and that is in the introduction. Say the story begins because of a coincidence. This way there is no consequences in the story it is avoiding because it is the first event of note in the entire story.

Now if we were to talk character development, my issue is that they want their cake, and to eat it too. They want their MC to be a heartless badass and they also want him to be a charming person. The Rimuru example is probably the closest thing you could have brought up, but Rudeus is about as far from Rio as possible. Not only does he have a very specific character that is expertly developed in subtle and nuanced ways from the very first episode, but he is also incredibly consistent as a result of it. You know Rudeus so well by the first few episodes that you could probably predict what he would do in any given situation. He feels like a real, tangible person.
Going back to Rimuru. He isn't a very well developed character, but he is very consistent. He's always polite and nice to everyone. He's caring and friendly, and doesn't resort to violence unless absolutely necessary.

What I'm saying now is a prediction. In some ways, you are correct that things could (by some miracle) change in future episodes. However the show has already demonstrated many negative tendencies that I sincerely doubt will ever be addressed.

if you read this far, thank you for taking the time. I'm not trying to argue with you per se, but I just wanted to explain to you my viewpoint and everything relating to it because I have no life
o7

Jul 27, 2021 8:11 PM

#56

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theGodde said:

Araragi_8man said:

"Strange Coincidence"? All anime has strange coincidences idiot, if you think like this you probably can't enjoy any kind of fiction, take for example death note, strange coincidence that Light,who happened to picked up death note was a perfect opponent to oppose L, another one is shield hero, strange coincidence that it was naofumi that became the shield hero instead of motoyasu blah blah blah
Also a mc like this isn't new, even the popular rimuru and rudeus is still inconsistent, concluding this in four episodes is peak stupidity

those aren't coincidences, they are direct consequences of events

L existed in that world and had always existed. It is a direct result of Light's actions as Kira that cause L to take on the case. Cause -> effect.
Naofumi is essentially a blank slate at the start of the show, and all the personality traits we know him for are as a result of the betrayal he experienced early on. It's no coincidence who each hero is, as each hero is in fact an archetypal role. We know this because we find out from that Fillial lady that the previous Shield Hero was very, very similar to Naofumi - which would suggest that the Heroes are summoned for each role depending on their personality.

Coincidental storytelling is usually a bad thing. This is because having key characters meet or develop through coincidence reduces character choice. And character choice is important because it informs us on who they are, and develops them. Character choice is by far the most important aspect of storytelling out of anything else. Think about all you favourite (non action) scenes in all of anime. They are probably character choices. A character who makes decisions and faces consequences because of them is more interesting than a character who makes no decisions and is merely carried by coincidence. In layman's terms, coincidence in storytelling can feel cheap and unearned.
There is probably one case where you can get away with coincidental storytelling - and that is in the introduction. Say the story begins because of a coincidence. This way there is no consequences in the story it is avoiding because it is the first event of note in the entire story.

Now if we were to talk character development, my issue is that they want their cake, and to eat it too. They want their MC to be a heartless badass and they also want him to be a charming person. The Rimuru example is probably the closest thing you could have brought up, but Rudeus is about as far from Rio as possible. Not only does he have a very specific character that is expertly developed in subtle and nuanced ways from the very first episode, but he is also incredibly consistent as a result of it. You know Rudeus so well by the first few episodes that you could probably predict what he would do in any given situation. He feels like a real, tangible person.
Going back to Rimuru. He isn't a very well developed character, but he is very consistent. He's always polite and nice to everyone. He's caring and friendly, and doesn't resort to violence unless absolutely necessary.

What I'm saying now is a prediction. In some ways, you are correct that things could (by some miracle) change in future episodes. However the show has already demonstrated many negative tendencies that I sincerely doubt will ever be addressed.

if you read this far, thank you for taking the time. I'm not trying to argue with you per se, but I just wanted to explain to you my viewpoint and everything relating to it because I have no life
o7

Yeah man, I've read all of it, I'm not a fan of this anime to begin with, you are mostly correct in your opinion so i don't think defending my point will prove anything anymore, sorry for making you write something this long😂😂

Jul 27, 2021 9:18 PM

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Araragi_8man said:
Yeah man, I've read all of it, I'm not a fan of this anime to begin with, you are mostly correct in your opinion so i don't think defending my point will prove anything anymore, sorry for making you write something this long😂😂

thanks for the interesting point of discussion. It's always good to reflect on why and how you or someone else feels a certain way about a show.

I know that I personally have enjoyed this series quite a lot even though by all means I should hate it. It has terrible, boring characters. Bland and stilted animation, and a story that feels like it was written by an AI being fed a ton of average isekai. But for despite all this it's just kind of easy to watch. Unlike other bad or bland isekai, this one doesn't have any delusions about what it is. It's just a generic isekai. So instead of trying to be something it's not, instead the show feels like the most pleasing generic isekai it could be with the budget and source material it had.

Jul 28, 2021 11:04 AM

#58

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Latifa is definitely kawaii, but I'm afraid she won't save the show for me.

Soon we will have a bus crash reunion party, and everyone dead is invited.

Coincidences are something I really hate when it comes to these types of shows. I, too, read in a book the other day which magic is necessary to dispel a slave collar. Here let me imitate it perfectly first try... blah, blah, bleh.

I can't tell what's mysterious about him. Does no one have black hair in this world? Meh, a better ep anyway than the first 3 eps.

Jul 28, 2021 9:33 PM

#59

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PROTECC precious Latifa!
4/5.

Jul 29, 2021 3:15 AM

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Well show continues its dose of depression, now plus adorableness. That's some ptsd faces Latifa. Both got the shitty end of isekai lottery, only governor Lotte seems lucky.
Now all 3 bus-pals met but not recognized yet.
Animation got slightly better.
Isekai character they did better than norm. How Rio became the main persona & vaguely sees Haru as extra memories. You even hear his Rio revenge mindset at Latifa, rare for the usual justic isekai mc. While Latifa the pro assassin vs bus kid seem to switch randomly.

Jul 29, 2021 3:34 AM

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theGodde said:

Araragi_8man said:

"Strange Coincidence"? All anime has strange coincidences idiot, if you think like this you probably can't enjoy any kind of fiction, take for example death note, strange coincidence that Light,who happened to picked up death note was a perfect opponent to oppose L, another one is shield hero, strange coincidence that it was naofumi that became the shield hero instead of motoyasu blah blah blah
Also a mc like this isn't new, even the popular rimuru and rudeus is still inconsistent, concluding this in four episodes is peak stupidity

those aren't coincidences, they are direct consequences of events

L existed in that world and had always existed. It is a direct result of Light's actions as Kira that cause L to take on the case. Cause -> effect.
Naofumi is essentially a blank slate at the start of the show, and all the personality traits we know him for are as a result of the betrayal he experienced early on. It's no coincidence who each hero is, as each hero is in fact an archetypal role. We know this because we find out from that Fillial lady that the previous Shield Hero was very, very similar to Naofumi - which would suggest that the Heroes are summoned for each role depending on their personality.

Coincidental storytelling is usually a bad thing. This is because having key characters meet or develop through coincidence reduces character choice. And character choice is important because it informs us on who they are, and develops them. Character choice is by far the most important aspect of storytelling out of anything else. Think about all you favourite (non action) scenes in all of anime. They are probably character choices. A character who makes decisions and faces consequences because of them is more interesting than a character who makes no decisions and is merely carried by coincidence. In layman's terms, coincidence in storytelling can feel cheap and unearned.
There is probably one case where you can get away with coincidental storytelling - and that is in the introduction. Say the story begins because of a coincidence. This way there is no consequences in the story it is avoiding because it is the first event of note in the entire story.

Now if we were to talk character development, my issue is that they want their cake, and to eat it too. They want their MC to be a heartless badass and they also want him to be a charming person. The Rimuru example is probably the closest thing you could have brought up, but Rudeus is about as far from Rio as possible. Not only does he have a very specific character that is expertly developed in subtle and nuanced ways from the very first episode, but he is also incredibly consistent as a result of it. You know Rudeus so well by the first few episodes that you could probably predict what he would do in any given situation. He feels like a real, tangible person.
Going back to Rimuru. He isn't a very well developed character, but he is very consistent. He's always polite and nice to everyone. He's caring and friendly, and doesn't resort to violence unless absolutely necessary.

What I'm saying now is a prediction. In some ways, you are correct that things could (by some miracle) change in future episodes. However the show has already demonstrated many negative tendencies that I sincerely doubt will ever be addressed.

if you read this far, thank you for taking the time. I'm not trying to argue with you per se, but I just wanted to explain to you my viewpoint and everything relating to it because I have no life
o7

You mentioned how you can get away with coincidental storytelling at the introduction. Funnily enough

Jul 29, 2021 4:05 AM

#62

theGodde

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albertrojas said:

theGodde said:

those aren't coincidences, they are direct consequences of events

L existed in that world and had always existed. It is a direct result of Light's actions as Kira that cause L to take on the case. Cause -> effect.
Naofumi is essentially a blank slate at the start of the show, and all the personality traits we know him for are as a result of the betrayal he experienced early on. It's no coincidence who each hero is, as each hero is in fact an archetypal role. We know this because we find out from that Fillial lady that the previous Shield Hero was very, very similar to Naofumi - which would suggest that the Heroes are summoned for each role depending on their personality.

Coincidental storytelling is usually a bad thing. This is because having key characters meet or develop through coincidence reduces character choice. And character choice is important because it informs us on who they are, and develops them. Character choice is by far the most important aspect of storytelling out of anything else. Think about all you favourite (non action) scenes in all of anime. They are probably character choices. A character who makes decisions and faces consequences because of them is more interesting than a character who makes no decisions and is merely carried by coincidence. In layman's terms, coincidence in storytelling can feel cheap and unearned.
There is probably one case where you can get away with coincidental storytelling - and that is in the introduction. Say the story begins because of a coincidence. This way there is no consequences in the story it is avoiding because it is the first event of note in the entire story.

Now if we were to talk character development, my issue is that they want their cake, and to eat it too. They want their MC to be a heartless badass and they also want him to be a charming person. The Rimuru example is probably the closest thing you could have brought up, but Rudeus is about as far from Rio as possible. Not only does he have a very specific character that is expertly developed in subtle and nuanced ways from the very first episode, but he is also incredibly consistent as a result of it. You know Rudeus so well by the first few episodes that you could probably predict what he would do in any given situation. He feels like a real, tangible person.
Going back to Rimuru. He isn't a very well developed character, but he is very consistent. He's always polite and nice to everyone. He's caring and friendly, and doesn't resort to violence unless absolutely necessary.

What I'm saying now is a prediction. In some ways, you are correct that things could (by some miracle) change in future episodes. However the show has already demonstrated many negative tendencies that I sincerely doubt will ever be addressed.

if you read this far, thank you for taking the time. I'm not trying to argue with you per se, but I just wanted to explain to you my viewpoint and everything relating to it because I have no life
o7

You mentioned how you can get away with coincidental storytelling at the introduction. Funnily enough

by introduction I meant the premise of the show.
For example, the premise of inception is that you can enter dreams. That's a pretty outrageous and unrealistic concept but if you're willing to accept it the rest of the show makes sense. In the same way, the fact that his childhood love is on the bus when they all die is a ridiculous coincidence however it can be excused because it's the premise of the entire show.

does that make more sense to you? I should have been more exact in what I meant.

Jul 29, 2021 8:19 AM

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Cultured people like me are waiting for High school Dxd S5

Jul 29, 2021 2:26 PM

#64

Araragi_8man

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theGodde said:

albertrojas said:

theGodde said:

Araragi_8man said:

theGodde said:

arsfugal said:
Why kirito didn't told raphtalia that he also from tokyo? I don't see any reason to hide that fact, or is it just to maintain his mysterious black swordman chara?

A lot of mediocre anime this season, still waiting for mushoku tensei s2 and tate yuusha s2...

also strange coincidence that out of all the beast people she just happened to be the one who a random Japanese kid was reincarnated into

also why is that kid pulling the strings, wouldn't it be his dad and the actual people in control who would be in charge of these sort of things. Why would this stuck up prick ever go within 10 metres of a stinky, uncultured, inferior demi-human anyway?

aside from that they just FF a ton of character development between Latifa and Rio.
Also Rio himself is super inconsistent. Is he a hardcore adventurer, or a charming but distant guy? You can't make him both edgy and super nice. This guy's got no flaws and is probably even more bland than Kirito

"Strange Coincidence"? All anime has strange coincidences idiot, if you think like this you probably can't enjoy any kind of fiction, take for example death note, strange coincidence that Light,who happened to picked up death note was a perfect opponent to oppose L, another one is shield hero, strange coincidence that it was naofumi that became the shield hero instead of motoyasu blah blah blah
Also a mc like this isn't new, even the popular rimuru and rudeus is still inconsistent, concluding this in four episodes is peak stupidity

those aren't coincidences, they are direct consequences of events

L existed in that world and had always existed. It is a direct result of Light's actions as Kira that cause L to take on the case. Cause -> effect.
Naofumi is essentially a blank slate at the start of the show, and all the personality traits we know him for are as a result of the betrayal he experienced early on. It's no coincidence who each hero is, as each hero is in fact an archetypal role. We know this because we find out from that Fillial lady that the previous Shield Hero was very, very similar to Naofumi - which would suggest that the Heroes are summoned for each role depending on their personality.

Coincidental storytelling is usually a bad thing. This is because having key characters meet or develop through coincidence reduces character choice. And character choice is important because it informs us on who they are, and develops them. Character choice is by far the most important aspect of storytelling out of anything else. Think about all you favourite (non action) scenes in all of anime. They are probably character choices. A character who makes decisions and faces consequences because of them is more interesting than a character who makes no decisions and is merely carried by coincidence. In layman's terms, coincidence in storytelling can feel cheap and unearned.
There is probably one case where you can get away with coincidental storytelling - and that is in the introduction. Say the story begins because of a coincidence. This way there is no consequences in the story it is avoiding because it is the first event of note in the entire story.

Now if we were to talk character development, my issue is that they want their cake, and to eat it too. They want their MC to be a heartless badass and they also want him to be a charming person. The Rimuru example is probably the closest thing you could have brought up, but Rudeus is about as far from Rio as possible. Not only does he have a very specific character that is expertly developed in subtle and nuanced ways from the very first episode, but he is also incredibly consistent as a result of it. You know Rudeus so well by the first few episodes that you could probably predict what he would do in any given situation. He feels like a real, tangible person.
Going back to Rimuru. He isn't a very well developed character, but he is very consistent. He's always polite and nice to everyone. He's caring and friendly, and doesn't resort to violence unless absolutely necessary.

What I'm saying now is a prediction. In some ways, you are correct that things could (by some miracle) change in future episodes. However the show has already demonstrated many negative tendencies that I sincerely doubt will ever be addressed.

if you read this far, thank you for taking the time. I'm not trying to argue with you per se, but I just wanted to explain to you my viewpoint and everything relating to it because I have no life
o7

You mentioned how you can get away with coincidental storytelling at the introduction. Funnily enough

by introduction I meant the premise of the show.
For example, the premise of inception is that you can enter dreams. That's a pretty outrageous and unrealistic concept but if you're willing to accept it the rest of the show makes sense. In the same way, the fact that his childhood love is on the bus when they all die is a ridiculous coincidence however it can be excused because it's the premise of the entire show.

does that make more sense to you? I should have been more exact in what I meant.

Araragi_8manJul 29, 2021 2:31 PM

Jul 29, 2021 2:43 PM

#65

theGodde

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Araragi_8man said:

theGodde said:

albertrojas said:

theGodde said:

Araragi_8man said:

theGodde said:

arsfugal said:
Why kirito didn't told raphtalia that he also from tokyo? I don't see any reason to hide that fact, or is it just to maintain his mysterious black swordman chara?

A lot of mediocre anime this season, still waiting for mushoku tensei s2 and tate yuusha s2...

also strange coincidence that out of all the beast people she just happened to be the one who a random Japanese kid was reincarnated into

also why is that kid pulling the strings, wouldn't it be his dad and the actual people in control who would be in charge of these sort of things. Why would this stuck up prick ever go within 10 metres of a stinky, uncultured, inferior demi-human anyway?

aside from that they just FF a ton of character development between Latifa and Rio.
Also Rio himself is super inconsistent. Is he a hardcore adventurer, or a charming but distant guy? You can't make him both edgy and super nice. This guy's got no flaws and is probably even more bland than Kirito

"Strange Coincidence"? All anime has strange coincidences idiot, if you think like this you probably can't enjoy any kind of fiction, take for example death note, strange coincidence that Light,who happened to picked up death note was a perfect opponent to oppose L, another one is shield hero, strange coincidence that it was naofumi that became the shield hero instead of motoyasu blah blah blah
Also a mc like this isn't new, even the popular rimuru and rudeus is still inconsistent, concluding this in four episodes is peak stupidity

those aren't coincidences, they are direct consequences of events

L existed in that world and had always existed. It is a direct result of Light's actions as Kira that cause L to take on the case. Cause -> effect.
Naofumi is essentially a blank slate at the start of the show, and all the personality traits we know him for are as a result of the betrayal he experienced early on. It's no coincidence who each hero is, as each hero is in fact an archetypal role. We know this because we find out from that Fillial lady that the previous Shield Hero was very, very similar to Naofumi - which would suggest that the Heroes are summoned for each role depending on their personality.

Coincidental storytelling is usually a bad thing. This is because having key characters meet or develop through coincidence reduces character choice. And character choice is important because it informs us on who they are, and develops them. Character choice is by far the most important aspect of storytelling out of anything else. Think about all you favourite (non action) scenes in all of anime. They are probably character choices. A character who makes decisions and faces consequences because of them is more interesting than a character who makes no decisions and is merely carried by coincidence. In layman's terms, coincidence in storytelling can feel cheap and unearned.
There is probably one case where you can get away with coincidental storytelling - and that is in the introduction. Say the story begins because of a coincidence. This way there is no consequences in the story it is avoiding because it is the first event of note in the entire story.

Now if we were to talk character development, my issue is that they want their cake, and to eat it too. They want their MC to be a heartless badass and they also want him to be a charming person. The Rimuru example is probably the closest thing you could have brought up, but Rudeus is about as far from Rio as possible. Not only does he have a very specific character that is expertly developed in subtle and nuanced ways from the very first episode, but he is also incredibly consistent as a result of it. You know Rudeus so well by the first few episodes that you could probably predict what he would do in any given situation. He feels like a real, tangible person.
Going back to Rimuru. He isn't a very well developed character, but he is very consistent. He's always polite and nice to everyone. He's caring and friendly, and doesn't resort to violence unless absolutely necessary.

What I'm saying now is a prediction. In some ways, you are correct that things could (by some miracle) change in future episodes. However the show has already demonstrated many negative tendencies that I sincerely doubt will ever be addressed.

if you read this far, thank you for taking the time. I'm not trying to argue with you per se, but I just wanted to explain to you my viewpoint and everything relating to it because I have no life
o7

You mentioned how you can get away with coincidental storytelling at the introduction. Funnily enough

by introduction I meant the premise of the show.
For example, the premise of inception is that you can enter dreams. That's a pretty outrageous and unrealistic concept but if you're willing to accept it the rest of the show makes sense. In the same way, the fact that his childhood love is on the bus when they all die is a ridiculous coincidence however it can be excused because it's the premise of the entire show.

does that make more sense to you? I should have been more exact in what I meant.

look man
even if I got it all wrong my point was more to illustrate what is acceptable coincidental storytelling and what is unacceptable coincidental storytelling
seeing as you had nothing to say on that matter I'm assuming that what I said did make sense

Jul 29, 2021 2:51 PM

#66

Araragi_8man

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theGodde said:

Araragi_8man said:

theGodde said:

albertrojas said:

theGodde said:

Araragi_8man said:

theGodde said:

arsfugal said:
Why kirito didn't told raphtalia that he also from tokyo? I don't see any reason to hide that fact, or is it just to maintain his mysterious black swordman chara?

A lot of mediocre anime this season, still waiting for mushoku tensei s2 and tate yuusha s2...

also strange coincidence that out of all the beast people she just happened to be the one who a random Japanese kid was reincarnated into

also why is that kid pulling the strings, wouldn't it be his dad and the actual people in control who would be in charge of these sort of things. Why would this stuck up prick ever go within 10 metres of a stinky, uncultured, inferior demi-human anyway?

aside from that they just FF a ton of character development between Latifa and Rio.
Also Rio himself is super inconsistent. Is he a hardcore adventurer, or a charming but distant guy? You can't make him both edgy and super nice. This guy's got no flaws and is probably even more bland than Kirito

"Strange Coincidence"? All anime has strange coincidences idiot, if you think like this you probably can't enjoy any kind of fiction, take for example death note, strange coincidence that Light,who happened to picked up death note was a perfect opponent to oppose L, another one is shield hero, strange coincidence that it was naofumi that became the shield hero instead of motoyasu blah blah blah
Also a mc like this isn't new, even the popular rimuru and rudeus is still inconsistent, concluding this in four episodes is peak stupidity

those aren't coincidences, they are direct consequences of events

L existed in that world and had always existed. It is a direct result of Light's actions as Kira that cause L to take on the case. Cause -> effect.
Naofumi is essentially a blank slate at the start of the show, and all the personality traits we know him for are as a result of the betrayal he experienced early on. It's no coincidence who each hero is, as each hero is in fact an archetypal role. We know this because we find out from that Fillial lady that the previous Shield Hero was very, very similar to Naofumi - which would suggest that the Heroes are summoned for each role depending on their personality.

Coincidental storytelling is usually a bad thing. This is because having key characters meet or develop through coincidence reduces character choice. And character choice is important because it informs us on who they are, and develops them. Character choice is by far the most important aspect of storytelling out of anything else. Think about all you favourite (non action) scenes in all of anime. They are probably character choices. A character who makes decisions and faces consequences because of them is more interesting than a character who makes no decisions and is merely carried by coincidence. In layman's terms, coincidence in storytelling can feel cheap and unearned.
There is probably one case where you can get away with coincidental storytelling - and that is in the introduction. Say the story begins because of a coincidence. This way there is no consequences in the story it is avoiding because it is the first event of note in the entire story.

Now if we were to talk character development, my issue is that they want their cake, and to eat it too. They want their MC to be a heartless badass and they also want him to be a charming person. The Rimuru example is probably the closest thing you could have brought up, but Rudeus is about as far from Rio as possible. Not only does he have a very specific character that is expertly developed in subtle and nuanced ways from the very first episode, but he is also incredibly consistent as a result of it. You know Rudeus so well by the first few episodes that you could probably predict what he would do in any given situation. He feels like a real, tangible person.
Going back to Rimuru. He isn't a very well developed character, but he is very consistent. He's always polite and nice to everyone. He's caring and friendly, and doesn't resort to violence unless absolutely necessary.

What I'm saying now is a prediction. In some ways, you are correct that things could (by some miracle) change in future episodes. However the show has already demonstrated many negative tendencies that I sincerely doubt will ever be addressed.

if you read this far, thank you for taking the time. I'm not trying to argue with you per se, but I just wanted to explain to you my viewpoint and everything relating to it because I have no life
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You mentioned how you can get away with coincidental storytelling at the introduction. Funnily enough

by introduction I meant the premise of the show.
For example, the premise of inception is that you can enter dreams. That's a pretty outrageous and unrealistic concept but if you're willing to accept it the rest of the show makes sense. In the same way, the fact that his childhood love is on the bus when they all die is a ridiculous coincidence however it can be excused because it's the premise of the entire show.

does that make more sense to you? I should have been more exact in what I meant.

look man
even if I got it all wrong my point was more to illustrate what is acceptable coincidental storytelling and what is unacceptable coincidental storytelling
seeing as you had nothing to say on that matter I'm assuming that what I said did make sense

Well yeah but that's because i wasn't the one you're replying to before i just wanted to correct something you said i didn't even understand what his point was😅

Jul 29, 2021 2:57 PM

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