| I don't see anything wrong with it. It's not asking people to agree with the review, it's there to inform the new potential watchers about a specific aspect that may turn them off. Considering this is something that isn't shown on the synopsis of the show, I believe this is justified. |
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| I see a lot of hate for this review in the replies, I think we shouldn't be enflamed by it. It's what they honestly thought and they have evidence for each point. Just because they didn't like the show doesn't mean they don't like you, so we can politely discuss it I think and all. It's not invalid just because we disagree with it or because it centers about the main character. The fanservice in this show really does bother me too and I'm interested in how the mc grows. I don't necessarily enjoy him too much right now. The other characters in the show such as his dad and the elf really carry the show for me. The mc didn't ruin the show for me, but he's definitely lowered the score imo. I hope they clear this up and don't write some serious scenes off as comedy anymore. In regards to the mc, I find myself agreeing with this review. |
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BetaMaleUltra said: SparkingVolt said: Good point actually. Too bad an ecchi tag wasn’t included on this so that sensitive people could steer clear of this and complain elsewhereYeah but everyone knows ecchi anime are gonna include that, so they avoid them. Sorry that normal people dont weird shit in their shows ruining the entertainment. automaweeb said: It's a common misconception that occurances of the big 5 MPAA age classification criteria (sex, nudity, foul language, substances, violence) and the ecchi tag are related. Ecchi means sexual and nude content used in a playful and comedic way. Which obviously is not the case for this anime, where the sexual acts are shown as disturbing and/or wish fullfilment of a person with a medical-psychological condition. This is neither playful nor comedic, thus correctly no ecchi tag.I don't see anything wrong with it. It's not asking people to agree with the review, it's there to inform the new potential watchers about a specific aspect that may turn them off. Considering this is something that isn't shown on the synopsis of the show, I believe this is justified. The content warning is all over the entry, it is rated "R - 17+ (violence & profanity)". This means it's adult content, with the exception that 17 year old teens are allowed but if and only if accompanied by an adult. The MPAA rating is the warning of mature content on MAL, not the story element tagging. NC-17: No One 17 and Under Admitted. These films are too adult for children. The rating doesn’t mean that they are obscene or pornographic, but that the content is only appropriate for adult audiences. I'm not sure how MAL uses R, because in movies R would yield the exception for 17 y/o kids. while NC-17 wouldn't. But I think NC-17 translates into MAL's R+, so this anime is MPAA-R. |
inimMar 1, 2021 5:49 AM
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| If you don't like a show just don't watch it. simple as that. writing such a harsh review is just toxic behaviour. spend your time better. |
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inim said: It's a common misconception that occurances of the big 5 MPAA age classification criteria (sex, nudity, foul language, substances, violence) and the ecchi tag are related. Ecchi means sexual and nude content used in a playful and comedic way. Which obviously is not the case for this anime, where the sexual acts are shown as disturbing and/or wish fullfilment of a person with a medical-psychological condition. This is neither playful nor comedic, thus correctly no ecchi tag. The content warning is all over the entry, it is rated "R - 17+ (violence & profanity)". This means it's adult content, with the exception that 17 year old teens are allowed but if and only if accompanied by an adult. The MPAA rating is the warning of mature content on MAL, not the story element tagging. NC-17: No One 17 and Under Admitted. These films are too adult for children. The rating doesn’t mean that they are obscene or pornographic, but that the content is only appropriate for adult audiences. I'm not sure how MAL uses R, because in movies R would yield the exception for 17 y/o kids. while NC-17 wouldn't. But I think NC-17 translates into MAL's R+, so this anime is MPAA-R.While I do agree with the idea of the R17 tag, it's clearly not working for « controversial » subjects otherwise these types of reviews wouldn't exist (In theory). The people who are annoyed by these things are often adults already. To be honest, I would be surprised if people even bother looking at those tags in general. But again, I'm not one to be bothered by specific subjects, so I really cannot say if those people would've just avoided it altogether if the information was more readily available or if they are just doing it for preaching. |
automaweebMar 1, 2021 6:32 AM
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| I agree with the review. I tolerated that creep stealing Roxy's undies but he crossed the line when he tried to take off Eris's undies while she was asleep and what he did in the latest episode, the girl is just 12! This is the only time I'm happy to see a tsundere beat up the guy. If this is his personality then he deserved to be bullied in his past life. Even if you remove the perverted parts the story is just your average isekai. |
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| Its pretty accurate and yeah I guess this is the "grandfather" of something. Not isekai as a whole but pedokai... sigh even then I don't see it as being a pioneer of anything. I just never understood people claiming this was the origin of isekai.. a story written in 2012. Sure |
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automaweeb said: The almost unmoderated review system on MAL isn't working either. Else a vile opinion piece like the one discussed in this thread wouldn't make it trough QA. And "opinion piece" is lenient, this is pretty much hate speech against a minority using the anime as a straw-man.inim said: While I do agree with the idea of the R17 tag, it's clearly not working for « controversial » subjects otherwise these types of reviews wouldn't exist (In theory). The people who are annoyed by these things are often adults already. To be honest, I would be surprised if people even bother looking at those tags in general. But again, I'm not one to be bothered by specific subjects, so I really cannot say if those people would've just avoided it altogether if the information was more readily available or if they are just doing it for preaching.It's a common misconception that occurrences of the big 5 MPAA age classification criteria (sex, nudity, foul language, substances, violence) and the ecchi tag are related. [...] The content warning is all over the entry, it is rated "R - 17+ (violence & profanity)". I agree with the tagging / MPAA problem. MAL has a rather minimal tagging compared to other sites, so there is no way to learn about story elements and tropes without relying on other sources or simply watching yourself. In the end, better tagging and better reviewing means more money (or volunteers) are needed, a MAL business decision way above my pay group. But it's no rocket science to use more than one source when you are planning your watches. Polluting reviews with rants like this one (to the point I long stopped using them) is just as severe a problem MAL has as is the under-tagging. Another problem is that pirate sites, which probably are the source for most viewers, allow unrestricted access to all content up to and including Rx for anybody. This leads to the situation that kids see mature content or pornography for the first time and start those threads and write those reviews. Or at least are familiar with the material so adults on a political crusade can use their confusion for manipulation. This problem is above even the pay group of MAL & similar sites. And the industry is tricky. For example ComicFesta releases each of their hentai short series (e.g. Overflow) in 3 cuts. MAL lists it as TV anime in the most heavily cut version with probably R or R+. But the pirate sites usually carry the uncut Rx versions. The system is so broken the industry starts to play it. Anyway: The MPAA tag is the best MAL offers, so people at least should use another source to learn about the why when they see material > PG-13. EDIT: Another easy improvement would be to have the "Rated" field turned ON in the default MAL list layout to raise awareness. It's a 2nd class citizen currently. |
inimMar 1, 2021 6:53 AM
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inim said: The almost unmoderated review system on MAL isn't working either. Else a vile opinion piece like the one discussed in this thread wouldn't make it trough QA. And "opinion piece" is lenient, this is pretty much hate speech against a minority using the anime as a straw-man. I agree with the tagging / MPAA problem. MAL has a rather minimal tagging compared to other sites, so there is no way to learn about story elements and tropes without relying on other sources or simply watching yourself. In the end, better tagging and better reviewing means more money (or volunteers) are needed, a MAL business decision way above my pay group. But it's no rocket science to use more than one source when you are planning your watches. Polluting reviews with rants like this one (to the point I long stopped using them) is just as severe a problem MAL has as is the under-tagging. Another problem is that pirate sites, which probably are the source for most viewers, allow unrestricted access to all content up to and including Rx for anybody. This leads to the situation that kids see mature content or pornography for the first time and start those threads and write those reviews. Or at least are familiar with the material so adults on a political crusade can use their confusion for manipulation. This problem is above even the pay group of MAL & similar sites. And the industry is tricky. For example ComicFesta releases each of their hentai short series (e.g. Overflow) in 3 cuts. MAL lists it as TV anime in the most heavily cut version with probably R or R+. But the pirate sites usually carry the uncut Rx versions. The system is so broken the industry starts to play it. Anyway: The MPAA tag is the best MAL offers, so people at least should use another source to learn about the why when they see material > PG-13. EDIT: Another easy improvement would be to have the "Rated" field turned ON in the default MAL list layout to raise awareness. It's a 2nd class citizen currently. Interesting, that would explain why shows like Redo of Healer ends up with a tag of « R+ - Mild Nudity » which is the same as Sword Art Online Ordinal Scale when the comparison obviously make no logical sense. I also feel, just like you do, that even properly adjusting the tags is only a small part of a bigger problem where other websites will still have unmoderated access to adult content. I was under the impression MAL already didn't show the rated content by default considering the age demographic, but I must have mixed this website with another one. I get why people may not like the review itself though. It seems to be mostly rambling that could've been shortened to a sentence or two. The rest just seems like the author is trying to put his own sense of morality on a measuring scale. Perhaps, like you say, in an attempt to manipulate those who are insecure about their own senses of morality. |
automaweebMar 1, 2021 8:03 AM
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| That's pretty weird, the title of the thread and everyone in it is talking about a "review" but I never saw or read a review here. Huh. |
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_FRB_ said: The review text was quoted by OP in bold script and not sourced. The normal permalink version is here.That's pretty weird, the title of the thread and everyone in it is talking about a "review" but I never saw or read a review here. Huh. |
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inim said: _FRB_ said: The review text was quoted by OP in bold script and not sourced. The normal permalink version is here.That's pretty weird, the title of the thread and everyone in it is talking about a "review" but I never saw or read a review here. Huh. I was being sarcastic, about the fact that the "review" is more like a one track rant. |
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skysurf said: This is just a conspiracy theory. More importantly, you have to answer the reverse question: Why of all smut listed on MAL this particular show deserves special treatment? There are hundreds of non-hentai shows with controversial content on MAL. This certainly includes several featuring scenes which, if they were showing real humans, may qualify as child pornography in some legislations. None of them has a "content warning" in it's synopsis. Not sure why someone from MAL staff would go to such lengths to try to do "image cleaning" for a particular anime, but that's how it is I guess. What makes this show different and special, other than that you happen to have watched it and obsess over it? |
inimMar 1, 2021 12:05 PM
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hohofish said: spaesu said: yeah, while this review may be a bit harsh it's mostly accurate. i do still enjoy the show though, just think we could really do without the weird shit. would be a lot better if the mc was more like someone like rimuru for example. I think Rimuru is very boring as a character. There is never any negative emotion in him Around vol 14 in the manga he gets pissed, and I have read that his personality shifts a tad due to the circumstances. |
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skysurf said: I understand that, but you dodge the questions. There are hundreds of similar cases where the synopsis of a controversial show hasn't specific wording on the controversial part(s). That's not the job of a synopsis, e.g. the controversial parts may be spoilers, they may be small details compared to the overall plot etc.inim said: I presented specific proof where the MAL synopsis was altered and stripped down of any mention of the controversial aspect of the show that is part of its story.This is just a conspiracy theory. And yea, I call it a conspiracy theory because you imply malicious intent by MAL staff, without any proof. |
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skysurf said: automaweeb said: I don't see anything wrong with it. It's not asking people to agree with the review, it's there to inform the new potential watchers about a specific aspect that may turn them off. Considering this is something that isn't shown on the synopsis of the show, I believe this is justified. Good catch. I can tell you're highly observant. In fact, the original synopsis was altered by someone when the anime started to get criticism and they stripped down any mention of the big elephant in the room, portraying the protagonist with rose-tinted glasses, see for yourself: Not sure why someone from MAL staff would go to such lengths to try to do "image cleaning" for a particular anime, but that's how it is I guess. Wow that current synopsis is not even pretending to not be biased. |
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skysurf said: Good catch. I can tell you're highly observant. In fact, the original synopsis was altered by someone when the anime started to get criticism and they stripped down any mention of the big elephant in the room, portraying the protagonist with rose-tinted glasses, see for yourself: Not sure why someone from MAL staff would go to such lengths to try to do "image cleaning" for a particular anime, but that's how it is I guess. To be honest, they do this rewriting with every show that airs. I would be surprised if the difference is intended. Rather, I would say it's hard for a new watcher to understand what they really get into. While the original synopsis may be closer to the truth, it's still only about half the truth. Edit: By half the truth, I mean « who uses his wealth of knowledge to make moves on women whom he could never make in his previous life. » Woman = female adult which is not the case here, so the original synopsis is misleading regardless. |
automaweebMar 1, 2021 1:12 PM
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| that´s ok because mushoku tensei is an anime for men. |
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RareWRLD said: Futari_no_Ossan said: A simple easy to understand peek into what the laws stipulate... https://www.bayarea-attorney.com/can-you-be-charged-with-child-pornography-for-looking-at-animation https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/blog/pornography/can-i-get-charged-with-child-pornography-in-california-for-animated-videos/ And something to showcase what @inim said... https://windsorstar.com/news/local-news/windsor-man-faces-child-porn-charges-due-to-cartoon-animated-images https://gephardtdaily.com/local/vernal-man-arrested-for-allegedly-possessing-anime-child-pornography/ As I said, if you're into that stuff then as long as you don't touch real children then Idc what you look at to get your rocks off but I'd suggest to be very careful when handling those sensitive materials as it can land you a ticket to jail What are you quoting me for I don't understand. Where in any of the links you provided it is said that diagnosis of pedophilia alone is a ticket to prison sentence? I never defended possessing pedophilic materials or said that I have them. Of course pedophilic materials will get you in jail, but I never said otherwise I just said diagnosis of pedophilia is not the same fucking thing this is so obvious You know what, it was a damn good idea to not get into this thread at all I apologize and leave thanks lol don't argue with someone that's comparing this fucking ANIME to pedophilic material. It's actually kind of sickening that this guy is finding correlation between the two. I really hope this guy gets mental help, he's harmful to himself and society most likely. This isn't even a fucking hentai LOL. What the actual fuck did I just read xd. MAL. just needs to start banning people with these completely retarded takes. These takes are literally happening for both Redo of the Healer and this one. I understand if people don't like loli hentai, I don't either. But this anime is completely different, it's not a hentai. Nor is it close to being a hentai. The Redo of Healer one is even worse than this, but it's also funnier. Nothing any of these people say or complain about will change what Japan produces. Not until America sees actual correlation with Loli in anime/hentai and actual pedophilia in real life. Just. Dont. Watch. It. "Score: 8.391 (scored by 80,836 users)" PepeLaugh. It's a good anime, and I'll recommend it to people. |
SasoraMar 1, 2021 1:28 PM
Sasora said: don't argue with someone that's comparing this fucking ANIME to pedophilic material. blablabla Tell someone not to argue Start arguing ??? |
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Futari_no_Ossan said: inim said: My point is that did not just drop i. You went on with a rant bordering hate speech (hiding behind a quote). You slandered people who disagree with you. You spread objectively false claims about legal and medical facts. You assaulted the freedom rights granted by most Western constitutions. Aight bud see you in court then, sue me! I would love to be part of the witnesses, if u approve. I wish eating was allowed so I could bring with me some sweet & salty popcorn, what a shame... |
Hydre_ItoMar 1, 2021 2:40 PM
| Same old crybaby whining we've been seeing for weeks. |
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SparkingVolt said: BetaMaleUltra said: We get it... it's messed up. Welcome to anime. Don't have to overanalyze everything... People like this need to write some reviews for anime like highschool dxd. Now that would be some good shit. "the mc is very inappropriate and likes to touch bewbies" wait what really? Now I can't watch it anymore because it really made me NOT want to watch it. Dangit, guess I'll try to find some PG anime then. sigh Yeah but everyone knows ecchi anime are gonna include that, so they avoid them. Sorry that normal people dont weird shit in their shows ruining the entertainment. I would totally write a review for shows like dxd and to love ru because they are disgusting too How's the view from that high horse? |
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| As much as I disagree and want to argue about this review, arguing about it is tiresome and a waste of time. However, it pains me to no end that I can't yeet this review out of existence. |
AlexPaulLEWZMar 1, 2021 9:12 PM
| Basically all the losers who can't vent their anger out on reviewer because his comment section is disabled. So create a whole goddamn thread(hilarious) so people can satisfy themselves. It's amusing what myanimelist community has come down to. When i read his review, i straight up thought, Oh boy his comment section would be so vile with all the hatred. But then saw his comment section disabled. |
PiedPiper_ said: Basically all the losers who can't vent their anger out on reviewer because his comment section is disabled. So create a whole goddamn thread(hilarious) so people can satisfy themselves. It's amusing what myanimelist community has come down to. When i read his review, i straight up thought, Oh boy his comment section would be so vile with all the hatred. But then saw his comment section disabled. Omg you are spot on... i see this thread and all i think was "wow this fanboys are sad" they complain that snowflakes dont like they show but they see so frustrated that people dont agree with them. The show is extremelly permisive with their aproach to underage kids, by a fat old 40 y/o man, the less problematic part is the cliche of the show, is just another isekai, whats so good about it ? Anyway they can enjoy their problematic show BUT THEY ALSO WANT PEOPLE NOT to critizied the show, like excuse me ... people have free speach , yeah the review maight be a little exagerated but come on, just ignore it, like you guys ignore that the mc was fapping with illegal videos of his own niece ... if they can ignore so many things they can ignore this review |
| As of watching this anime, I still haven't seen anything positively mindblowning yet, maybe in the future but when? |
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| What you said was pretty harsh yet accurate. But you're doing it in a pessimistic approach. The animation is 10/10 you have to admit that. And to me it doesn't feel cliche at all, this how an isekai should be done, and plus it's still just the slice of life arc of the story, it'll be more exciting in the future. The only thing i hate 'bout the show is the pervert shit and how slavery is portrayed. What only annoys me is the fact that no one is annoyed with how other isekai portrays slavery e.g The Shield Hero. |
BRed7VMar 2, 2021 4:30 AM
| Heh, anti-pedo hypocricy at its finest. Imo such type of reviews should be deleted. |
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AlexPaulLEWZ said: As much as I disagree and want to argue about this review, arguing about it is tiresome and a waste of time. However, it pains me to no end that I can't yeet this review out of existence. You're right. And you can't, isn't it violating the guidelines? PiedPiper_ said: Basically all the losers who can't vent their anger out on reviewer because his comment section is disabled. So create a whole goddamn thread(hilarious) so people can satisfy themselves. It's amusing what myanimelist community has come down to. When i read his review, i straight up thought, Oh boy his comment section would be so vile with all the hatred. But then saw his comment section disabled. Nice theory, but OP actually agrees with the reviewer. |
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| Well it's right. Don't be mad because you are reading soem dude pedofantasy, it is what it is. |
ExcaliburAO said: You can have a problem with the mc, but this review is straight up calling anyone who enjoys this a pedophile. He said this anime is about pedophilia which it's not. He said the author's intent in writing this was to fulfill his pedo tendencies which it isn't. He straight up lies in this review as well and misleads people to think this anime gratifies pedophilia and make it seem way worse than it actually is. So no I don't agree with it. You chose the wrong review to prove your point. I agree with you, i'm enjoying Mushoku Tensei and it's not because i'm enjoying the show that i'm a pedo... I think you can hate the MC, but i'm anxious to see how he is going to be developed when he reachs the age 20. I don't think he's a pedo, i just think that his mental age is actually 40 BUT his body feels attracted by people of his age because he is a children right now, even that his mental age is over 40, so i think when he reachs the age 18 he is going to be attracted for girls with 18, but i can be totally wrong since i didn't readed the manga. i'm sorry, english is not my main language so something can get misunderstood. |
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| alright, it's a pedo fantasy story. so what? anything more to add? if you're just saying this to inform people, then that's good for you. but apart from that, i don't see any other positive things that stem from this. |
sekaiwaKIREIMar 2, 2021 7:30 AM
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| Damn, I can barely contain my desire to watch this already. Just 3 more weeks until I can get a front row seat to this shitshow. |
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TheBigGuy said: AlexPaulLEWZ said: As much as I disagree and want to argue about this review, arguing about it is tiresome and a waste of time. However, it pains me to no end that I can't yeet this review out of existence. You're right. And you can't, isn't it violating the guidelines? Well... it might not be depending on what happens in the future ¬‿¬ |
| @PiedPiper_ @Noir_Alchemist You guys didn't bother to read past the review itself did you? |
Hmmm. Let's see what the future holds then, I guess. |
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| Looks like a lot of people hate this anime with a passion. |
| So much hate lol In any case, i believe MAL should add an Ecchi tag to this anime. |
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