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Nov 16, 2020 9:40 PM
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I just finished The House in Fata Morgana and it really is one of the best stories that I've come across in a very long time, easily my 2nd favorite from the anime/manga/LNs/VNs area, basically from the Japanese side behind the HakoMari light novels. It's been so long since I've seen a story be so tightly written, gripping, emotional with its messages, and having outstanding character writing that ties in beautifully from beginning to its cathartic end. I hope its never animated since I don't want to see another studio butcher it but man... what a special story and experience this was. Fantastic music and artwork too, and characters as well.

If you've played The House of Fata Morgana, what's your thoughts? I just wanted to really talk about how I felt somewhere on MAL with this VN after finishing it so I made this thread here lol.

Nov 17, 2020 2:41 AM
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I'd have probably appreciated Fatamoru a bit if I read it as my first or second VN when I hadn't been exposed to the amazing world of eroge.
It kinda feels like EVN (just my personal distaste) and what makes it worse is that the text is brimming with anachronistic dialogues. I can tell you that the original prose is really bad, lacking any expressive language and fascinating perspectives. The localized version actually has better flowing prose, though advancing the text still feels like a chore at many points.
Aside from that, I just found it really hard to care about anything that happened in the game, especially since the pacing is pretty awful throughout. The dreary atmosphere doesn't really jibe well with me, the setting isn't well-fleshed and it feel empty. It failed to keep my interest to know more about the mansion and uncover the truth, which appeared to be the main intrigue of the VN.
EdocchiNov 17, 2020 6:07 AM
Nov 17, 2020 8:59 AM
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Edocchi said:
I'd have probably appreciated Fatamoru a bit if I read it as my first or second VN when I hadn't been exposed to the amazing world of eroge.
It kinda feels like EVN (just my personal distaste) and what makes it worse is that the text is brimming with anachronistic dialogues. I can tell you that the original prose is really bad, lacking any expressive language and fascinating perspectives. The localized version actually has better flowing prose, though advancing the text still feels like a chore at many points.
Aside from that, I just found it really hard to care about anything that happened in the game, especially since the pacing is pretty awful throughout. The dreary atmosphere doesn't really jibe well with me, the setting isn't well-fleshed and it feel empty. It failed to keep my interest to know more about the mansion and uncover the truth, which appeared to be the main intrigue of the VN.


Oh interesting, I pretty much feel the opposite for the issues you've pointed out. For me the prose itself was great in English, dialogue was really well done. I don't know how it is originally, but I felt the staff responsible for translating it did well for me. I'm not a visual novel veteran by any means, only playing a couple of them but I found this to be great despite not being too lengthy, unlike something like Umineko which is much, much, much more longer.

Pacing wise I felt it was really good too except a couple chapters, which I will admit did feel too long, especially early on when you're trying to get into different kinds of stories without a full on connection laid out. I was pretty interested in everything else about it, especially the atmosphere, setting, cast, plot, etc. Shame you weren't into it much, but I can see why. For me, I can't really see many stories being better than this from the Japanese medium (unless there are other visual novels that somehow surpass this which I haven't tried yet, which I doubt will for me personally).
Nov 17, 2020 1:06 PM
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animejas said:
Edocchi said:
I'd have probably appreciated Fatamoru a bit if I read it as my first or second VN when I hadn't been exposed to the amazing world of eroge.
It kinda feels like EVN (just my personal distaste) and what makes it worse is that the text is brimming with anachronistic dialogues. I can tell you that the original prose is really bad, lacking any expressive language and fascinating perspectives. The localized version actually has better flowing prose, though advancing the text still feels like a chore at many points.
Aside from that, I just found it really hard to care about anything that happened in the game, especially since the pacing is pretty awful throughout. The dreary atmosphere doesn't really jibe well with me, the setting isn't well-fleshed and it feel empty. It failed to keep my interest to know more about the mansion and uncover the truth, which appeared to be the main intrigue of the VN.


Oh interesting, I pretty much feel the opposite for the issues you've pointed out. For me the prose itself was great in English, dialogue was really well done. I don't know how it is originally, but I felt the staff responsible for translating it did well for me. I'm not a visual novel veteran by any means, only playing a couple of them but I found this to be great despite not being too lengthy, unlike something like Umineko which is much, much, much more longer.

Pacing wise I felt it was really good too except a couple chapters, which I will admit did feel too long, especially early on when you're trying to get into different kinds of stories without a full on connection laid out. I was pretty interested in everything else about it, especially the atmosphere, setting, cast, plot, etc. Shame you weren't into it much, but I can see why. For me, I can't really see many stories being better than this from the Japanese medium (unless there are other visual novels that somehow surpass this which I haven't tried yet, which I doubt will for me personally).
Also.. how do I put it. The story is well-constructed, but it feels too "clean", too tidy for my taste. That's what makes it boring for me personally. A similar example in anime/manga would be something like Monster. Everything has a specific purpose in the story, and the characters all go through exactly the struggles and development that the reader would expect them to. But, that's exactly why both Fata & Monster are popular, that's the mainstream appeal. It's easy to understand and won't challenge anyone's worldview, while still being superficially "different" enough that it makes people feel like they've found something off the beaten path that speaks to them personally (even though it's well-known and everyone has more or less the same reaction to it). It looks perfect on the paper/surface so average person will think it's perfect. It has things that make a story good and execute em pretty well, but for me that's just "good" in the most traditional sense (neat writing etc) like the most monotonous definition of good, it's just not enough to make me feel something. Tbf, I dislike works that play too clean or too safe like that, they tend to appeal to the lowest common denominator. After indulging a lot in this medium and stumbled across hidden gems and some life-changing titles, I felt like popular stuff like Fatamoru and Steins;Gate just have no chance to impress me because I know they won't offer enough of what niche themes I want to see. But forget about themes, I wouldn't care that far to think about that if the more important thing like the dialogue or the setting has many amateurish flaws to begin with. Back to the comparison, unlike Monster which has well-realized setting that I could still appreciate, Fatamoru's feels like a pseudo-historical setting since all of the characters speak like japanese teenagers, it honestly becomes rather obnoxious to read. If this is an LN I'd drop it pretty early. Limited by its meager vocabulary, the dialogue not only feels anachronistic, it feels too casual for the subject material and only ends up making the already unbelievable setting even harder to take seriously.
Also @velvetPhos @Reisquin I feel I haven't answered properly when you guys asked my opinon about Fatamoru, so in case you still want to know my opinion after reread. If you like Fatamoru better leave the experience as it is and stay away from the jp ver
EdocchiNov 17, 2020 11:28 PM
Nov 20, 2020 3:19 AM
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I liked Fatamoru a lot. I wish I could find more VNs with its seriousness and tone. One of the things of why I don't really fancy into VNs is that I'm just really disappointed that so many of these highly ranked visual novels are so harem like in structure. Not surprised, but disappointed. I guess that's why Fatamoru hooked me in and everything else has been pretty middling.

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Dec 12, 2020 6:26 PM
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Edocchi said:
animejas said:


Oh interesting, I pretty much feel the opposite for the issues you've pointed out. For me the prose itself was great in English, dialogue was really well done. I don't know how it is originally, but I felt the staff responsible for translating it did well for me. I'm not a visual novel veteran by any means, only playing a couple of them but I found this to be great despite not being too lengthy, unlike something like Umineko which is much, much, much more longer.

Pacing wise I felt it was really good too except a couple chapters, which I will admit did feel too long, especially early on when you're trying to get into different kinds of stories without a full on connection laid out. I was pretty interested in everything else about it, especially the atmosphere, setting, cast, plot, etc. Shame you weren't into it much, but I can see why. For me, I can't really see many stories being better than this from the Japanese medium (unless there are other visual novels that somehow surpass this which I haven't tried yet, which I doubt will for me personally).
Also.. how do I put it. The story is well-constructed, but it feels too "clean", too tidy for my taste. That's what makes it boring for me personally. A similar example in anime/manga would be something like Monster. Everything has a specific purpose in the story, and the characters all go through exactly the struggles and development that the reader would expect them to. But, that's exactly why both Fata & Monster are popular, that's the mainstream appeal. It's easy to understand and won't challenge anyone's worldview, while still being superficially "different" enough that it makes people feel like they've found something off the beaten path that speaks to them personally (even though it's well-known and everyone has more or less the same reaction to it). It looks perfect on the paper/surface so average person will think it's perfect. It has things that make a story good and execute em pretty well, but for me that's just "good" in the most traditional sense (neat writing etc) like the most monotonous definition of good, it's just not enough to make me feel something. Tbf, I dislike works that play too clean or too safe like that, they tend to appeal to the lowest common denominator. After indulging a lot in this medium and stumbled across hidden gems and some life-changing titles, I felt like popular stuff like Fatamoru and Steins;Gate just have no chance to impress me because I know they won't offer enough of what niche themes I want to see. But forget about themes, I wouldn't care that far to think about that if the more important thing like the dialogue or the setting has many amateurish flaws to begin with. Back to the comparison, unlike Monster which has well-realized setting that I could still appreciate, Fatamoru's feels like a pseudo-historical setting since all of the characters speak like japanese teenagers, it honestly becomes rather obnoxious to read. If this is an LN I'd drop it pretty early. Limited by its meager vocabulary, the dialogue not only feels anachronistic, it feels too casual for the subject material and only ends up making the already unbelievable setting even harder to take seriously.
Also @velvetPhos @Reisquin I feel I haven't answered properly when you guys asked my opinon about Fatamoru, so in case you still want to know my opinion after reread. If you like Fatamoru better leave the experience as it is and stay away from the jp ver


I logged to check what i missed for past year before deleting my account. But I saw this… alright. Let me write a response.

Yes, the story is very “clean” and tedious. I know exactly what you mean.
I do like Monster, but I agree with you. Characters are just there… and interactions are really dry. Most of characters in Monster are garbage maybe except for Eva. I like Monster, but that is because it actually builds suspense, has good pacing, and uses historical setting well. Fata Morgana has none of those.
Fata Morgana has fatal problem of using modern vocabularies for historical settings. It immediately destroys immersion. Also writing feels awkwardly rigid. It feels like writer wrote out his/her ideas in clean vernacular Japanese. It’s clean because of no omission of copular verbs and particles, but the diction is way too informal (even childish) and sentence structure lacks politeness and elegance that are kind of expected in this type of story. It’s like a middle schooler who ties to write formal essay, but has no ability to do so. So it feels half assed in every single way.

One thing I disagree with Edocchi is that the story is… not well-constructed at all imo.


I read Japanese version and it was honestly quite painful.
One of few times that I wish I wasn’t native Japanese speaker.
Dec 13, 2020 4:09 AM
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Easily one of my favorite VNs I have experienced so far.


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I thoroughly enjoyed the love story between Giselle and Michel.
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The 1st half is masterful, but everything goes downhill in the 2nd half. The final chapter is utterly awful. I will be skipping "A Requiem for Innocence."
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Played it years ago and I still think it's the best visual novel I've played. I don't really think it's that special now since I don't fancy VNs anymore, but still I rated it quite highly on my personal list.
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P.S.: It's not hentai, I hope? I don't wanna play that stuff.

No, there is no hentai in Fata Morgana.
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