How is animal cruelty thing?

BenisMeister said:
Would you hold animals to the same standard?

Prevent animals from eating each other?

Because I can assure you deaths in the wild tend to be just as if not more cruel than what you see in that video.

Katapullt said:
Then the most consistent position is not extending moral standards to animals but there are meat eaters who purport to be agianst animal cruelty

Hillary_Clinton_ said:


If animals have no agency, who says they deserve the same rights as humans? Rights come with agency, that's why kids (cognitively undeveloped) don't really get any meaningful choices about life until they're teenagers.

And humans are animals.

(unless you're deeply religious and coming at this argument from a theist angle, in which case, stop pushing religion on us)

ysphyr said:
Who tf watches videos like this one? Seems like only people with weird sadistic tendencies.
Anyways, you better not eat meat from animals that lived in uncomfortable conditions and experienced stress for long periods of time. Choose organic meat. Happy and healthy animal = happy and healthy you.

Kaasfondue said:
If it's that bad why don't the animals just work harder and earn enough to leave?

Ranacchi said:
Make allergy free alternatives and then we'll talk. I've looked on the ingredient list of many kinds of replacements but they all contain stuff I'm deadly allergic to. Meat does not.
Until there's replacements I can safely eat, I'll continue eating meat simple as that.

To add to that, most non-imported meat comes from sources with pretty decent lives (when compared to imported). Animal welfare's pretty good here, to the point there's a political party specifically dedicated to their well-being.

Then again, each country has its own laws (or lack thereof) regarding animal well-being.

ysphyr said:

They were cared for during their lifetime, nobody treated them badly, tortured or beat them. If you've ever been at an organic farm - animals are quite happy, they are playful, they aren't afraid of humans. And when their time comes - I'm pretty sure they don't even realize what's happening.
I know it's delusional to call killing a living being "humane" but it's still a better way compared to industrial meat production.

149597871 said:
I suggest we slaughter all species who have the temerity to eat meat. That's seems like the most humane thing to do.

Katapullt said:
I don't care that you eat meat, I only care if you eat meat and simultaneously get outraged at animal cruelty. It pisses me of so much

So killing the animal that you've raised yourself for food

So killing the animal that you've raised yourself for food is the same as let's say beating a random dog to death with a baseball bat for no reason?

ysphyr said:

Don't compare animals to humans.
Eating meat has tons of health benefits. Maybe some day we'll have an alternative that is as nutritious as animal products. But as for now - killing animals for food is justifiable. We just have to keep the process as non-violent as possible.

Katapullt said:
@149597871

for taste. not for food but for taste, you see the vast majority of the populace could get by just fine on a vegan diet but still have to frame it like meat is an absolute essentiality for their survival, just to you know make it seem like they have a convincing argument smh.

In terms of the suffering caused to the animal, yes. Scratch that, it's far far worse for animals in factory living conditions than the dog in your example. Even though you picked the logical extreme to prove your point, it doesn't work if you have no substance in your argument. There's only so far empty rhetoric can take you. You cannot be morally outraged at an animal's suffering yet condone factory raising, torturing and killing billions of animals to satisfy your taste buds.

Ryuk9428 said:

I despise the meat industry. I have been vegetarian for 16 years now and never once looked back.

149597871 said:


You need to chill and try using your head instead of your heart. It's easy to let emotions get the better of you. How many of us do you think support factory raising and want their food to be full of dodgy chemicals? You seem like a boy who just found one of the numerous atrocities happening around the world and got angry, but instead of addressing the specific issue that was bothering him, he decided to go on a quest against all meat-eaters. Next, you'll find a video about slaves making the shoes for most of the famous brands and will try to convince us that everyone wearing shoes is either heartless or hypocritical. Sure, we can survive without them, spoiled shoe-wearers! Next will be when you find out that even in countries like the US cosmetic products are tested on animals. In the end, the only way to avoid harming anyone will be going to live in a tent somewhere in the wild and make everything by yourself.

First of all, we don't eat meat only for the taste. At least most of us don't. Convenience is the main factor for most people since meat is considered a superfood that has many vital nutrients. It is also often a part of people's everyday lives and culture. Not to mention that in a country like mine where a single apple costs more than 100g of high-quality meat, going vegan might be nigh on impossible for the average person. Can we technically survive without it? Probably, but you can also survive without electronic devices or using transportation since that pollutes the environment and harms both animals and humans alike. Yet, you are here on the MAL forums to bless us with this thread.

Secondly, industries will always try to maximize profit as long as they can get away with it. What you are seeing is a result of that rather than the practice of eating meat itself, so there is no reason to make enemies out of the entire world. As you might have noticed, vegan radicalism often backfires on you, as the working class will perceive you as nothing more than a nuisance who tries to take away one of the few good things in their already miserable lives.

Tristar_Shinobi said:
PETA kills almost 80-90% of cats and dogs theey rescue in the name of moral killing I think that's more likely to be immoral than people killing for food.

BTW I don't know much of your Meat Industry (factory) but I have seen chicken and lambs getting beheaded in front of my eyes .

Ryuk9428 said:


I don't support PETA because they are opposed to pet ownership. That doesn't make anybody's arguments regarding the meat industry less valid.

Ryuk9428 said:


Advocating for vegetarianism/veganism is using your logic and not your emotions.

The meat industry is, by far, the greatest evil existing on this planet.

Approximately 72 billion land animals and 1.2 trillion aquatic animals are killed every year to meet the human desire for meat/fish. A lot of people think going pescatarian is a good middle ground between eating meat and being vegetarian but its the complete opposite. It would be better if they just cut out fish, and kept eating all the other kinds of meat because there are 16.7x more fish being killed than land animals.

Whatever suffering you may be causing in using a computer is negligible compared to the unfathomable level of suffering perpetuated by the meat industry. All the suffering in the world is probably significantly smaller than the amount of suffering that the meat industry alone is responsible for.

But, in being vegetarian for 16 years, I have grown accustomed to the fact that there are very few people on this planet who understand morals from my perspective. I have felt for approximately 16 years the way I imagine somebody who thought slavery was immoral would've felt in the 1700s. As a kid, it was my constant crusade, but now I just feel like there's no point in telling people this because they just aren't willing to change.

I will ask people lurking or attempting to respond to this post with the following questions...

1. Why do humans deserve better treatment than animals?
2. If its because humans are intelligent, than why don't we harvest severely retarded humans with IQs that are similar to the IQs of animals for meat? Why do we continue to support placing them in institutions that will still allow them to lead fulfilling lives instead of just letting them die?
3. If it goes back to question 1, then again, why do humans fundamentally deserve to be treated better? Why do we deserve to be free from torture and death and animals don't? I'm sure that cannibalizing humans is technically "healthy" for you, so why don't you do it?

JTR22 said:
Except that humans are animals ourselves. We can create whatever standard we want. Only humans are capable of conceptualizing morality, all of these concepts are purely human constructs.

Animal cruelty is simply the cruel treatment of defenseless creatures, like a small puppy or something. Really not the same as a cow being bred for consumption. Miss me with that vegan bullshit.

The fact is that we are at the top of the food chain and so we make the rules. And we have decided in order to be healthy creatures ourselves, some animals will be eaten and some will be pets. But neither will be treated cruelly. It's that simple.

149597871 said:


My first advice is don't try to pretend you are using logic when you are also using words such as "evil".

The problem is that many of us don't like the meat industry or its practices themselves, but it's better to address the specific issues bothering you rather than overgeneralizing all meat-eaters as cruel and try to punish them. Meat-eating has been a part of our lives since our dawn while factory raising is a fairly recent phenomenon.

I'll give you my answer, and people will be free to disagree, of course.

It's because we are humans, therefore it is perfectly normal to try to take care of our species before sacrificing ourselves to try to save every living organism on our planet. It's true that intelligence matters, but what matters in this case even more is being a human. That's the main reason why human rights are different from animal rights. Same reason why you want your country to take care of its citizens before letting outsiders in and trying to fix all world problems.

Also, human meat being safe for consumption and healthy isn't a proven scientific fact. We can't even prove whether red meat is healthy or not despite all the scientific advancement. Not to mention that the idea of eating another human being is disgusting, to say the least.

I believe that eating meat is natural and not something wicked, but I will show respect for the animals and will oppose cruel treatment or cruelty for no reason.

Also, pollution is a real thing and it affects the environment in more ways than you can imagine. We don't need a contest to determine which one is worse, but it shouldn't be that easily neglected.

Ryuk9428 said:

What I suggest, is that animal life be treated the same way. That being said, If I had to go into a building that was on fire and save a dog or a violent criminal, I would choose the dog.

What we do to animals is the equivalent of marching into another country, stealing all their resources, slaughtering all the men, raping all the women, and then raising their children under slave labor until we force them to reproduce before gassing them.

149597871 said:



What is animal life though? Your dog? The cow living in a factory? The rats in the sewers? The spiders on your wall? The brain-eating amoebas living in the water? Ask yourself whether it is practically possible to treat all those species the same way we treat humans.



That was a pretty common occurrence until recently. However, in modern times, making peace with another country is often more beneficial than going to war against them. On the other hand, I doubt you can say the same thing about making peace with chickens or cows.

I'd choose the criminal because I have principles, but everyone is free to decide for themselves.

Korishi said:
How is propaganda thing?

If it is then every single Communist should be held accountable


https://www.deathofcommunism.com/veganism-is-communism/

Hitler and other the Nazi leaders were the first to effectively apply animal rights as a State police and put a ban on cruel Kosher slaughter, industrialized farming and usage of animals in experiments, while natural farming was encouraged and balanced in order to avoid the over industrialization of society.

ysphyr said:
Who tf watches videos like this one? Seems like only people with weird sadistic tendencies.
Anyways, you better not eat meat from animals that lived in uncomfortable conditions and experienced stress for long periods of time. Choose organic meat. Happy and healthy animal = happy and healthy you.

Zeroflamez said:
Are you against Animal cruelty or Meat eaters? What even if the objective of the thread? Anyway, I am against animals being hurt and killed for no reason. If it's for food I don't see a problem with it but I'd prefer them to treat the Animals humanely before killing them for food. I never really understood the point of these kinds of arguments though. Animals are killed in nature in worse ways than humans kill them. We at least do it quick and painless. Animals in the wild toy with them, eat them alive, hell I've seen videos of Lions eating baby cubs out of the stomach of Gisselles. Predators in the wild are capable of being much more cruel than humans are. and before you say "oh well humans have a choice not to eat meat" Well yeah sure they do, but so do other omnivores and they still choose to eat meat. You gonna hold them accountable too? If not, you just keep eating your veggie or vegan diet and keep it movin.

Katapullt said:

against meat eaters who purport to be against animal cruelty. pretty simple concept to get

Ari4 said:
Not everyone cant afford to go vegan or vegetarian honey. So stop talking about this bullshit if you aren't gonna do anything about it.

TallonKarrde23 said:
These animals only exist for the purpose of being used as food - they are a resource, not a pet, not a wild animal. They literally would not have been born or experienced life if not for us eating them. I feel no shame or guilt in giving something existence regardless of how it ends if it's entire reason it was given life was to end a certain way. I love animals, I donate what I can to the ASPCA often, I want to one day own a cow (ironically, as a pet) and I took training to be a veterinarian technician for awhile though it didn't pan out due to my mental issues making me have to stop any sort of education. But these are food resources, just like carrots and potatoes, trying to whine about slaughterhouses and a lack of humanitarian anything (killing something can't be very humanitarian no matter how you do it, really), just doesn't really fucking apply.

These are not animals, they're livestock. Livestock is a word for a reason - which is specifically TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN ANIMALS and ASSETS. Cows, pigs, chickens; these are ASSETS not ANIMALS.