classicduck said: Desiy said: Why not? maybe they are tasty it's best to be open minded. Plus they are eco-friendly there is no need to worry about climate change. yeah, but bugs dont provide a lot of density That's still what humans are supposed to eat tho. |
It's not about would, but rather about should. Humans aren't supposed to eat meat in the first place. |
SargonTheGreat said: Hrybami said: Humans definitely aren't supposed to eat bugs and why shouldn't humans eat meat? dont say morals because thats just a spook, if someone can afford it why shouldn't they be allowed to eat meat speaking from a completely materialistic view there is nothing wrong with killing an animal and eating it.It's not about would, but rather about should. Humans aren't supposed to eat meat in the first place. What are you talking about? I'm talking biologically, not morally. Humans don't have the morphology of carnivorous. The teeth we have and the digestive enzyma we have aren't suited for a meat diet. That's why we must cook our meat before eating it and we would develop deficiency if we were to only eat animal based product. Vegetable and fruits are necessary to our diet as opposed to meat which is simply a luxuxy. Bugs are the appropriate meal for human with the specific morphology and metabolism we have. |
| Chads rule the world and chads aren't going to be satisfied with a meatless world. You really want WW3, vegancels? |
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SargonTheGreat said: Hrybami said: We dont have to act on biology soley though, things like meth and heroin arent supposed to be in our bodies but people still do meth and heroin and they should be allowed to do it. Meat is a luxury but people should be allowed to partake in said luxury if they can afford it.What are you talking about? I'm talking biologically, not morally. Humans don't have the morphology of carnivorous. The teeth we have and the digestive enzyma we have aren't suited for a meat diet. That's why we must cook our meat before eating it and we would develop deficiency if we were to only eat animal based product. Vegetable and fruits are necessary to our diet as opposed to meat which is simply a luxuxy. Bugs are the appropriate meal for human with the specific morphology and metabolism we have. Are you seriously pulling this false analogy here? And I never said I was against eating meat. Get off your high horse. |
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| Although becoming a vegan/vegetarian is good against the mass meat factories and everything, I think the best for the world to be in "good shape" is to have things be balanced |
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| Sorry but i'll stay with my meat. It's not that i don't care about the animals, that's simply how nature works, animals eat each other all the time and in very brutal ways. Thinking too much about morals just isn't my style... Maybe becoming a vegan will make me more healthy and i will live longer, but i will be very unhappy, since i hate this kinda stuff. And i never wanted to live that long anyway |
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Hrybami said: It's not about would, but rather about should. Humans aren't supposed to eat meat in the first place. That's the dumbest thing on this forum. Yes, we are. That's why we have the big brain. Oh? Because we need to cook it? So we figured out how to eat something, and get a lot of nutrients from it. Good for us. If we literally couldn't eat meat, we wouldn't be able to process it, cooked or not. |
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DmonHiro said: Hrybami said: It's not about would, but rather about should. Humans aren't supposed to eat meat in the first place. That's the dumbest thing on this forum. Yes, we are. That's why we have the big brain. Oh? Because we need to cook it? So we figured out how to eat something, and get a lot of nutrients from it. Good for us. If we literally couldn't eat meat, we wouldn't be able to process it, cooked or not. Mind = Blown. Seagulls eat chicken mcnuggets from the trash can. They will develop big brain soon. |
Chiibi said: Timz0r said: Now if only the western world accepted eating bugs more... Disgusting. I'd rather hold a gun to my head. I'd rather starve to death. Nothing grosses me out more than BUGS around FOOD. I've ate roasted crickets before and it just tasted like peanuts. If I had a beer with me at that time, I would have been set. Also read this scientific article instead of watching 'horrorific Youtube video's' if you're not convinced: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352364616300013 |
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Timz0r said: Chiibi said: Disgusting. I'd rather hold a gun to my head. I'd rather starve to death. Nothing grosses me out more than BUGS around FOOD. I've ate roasted crickets before and it just tasted like peanuts. If I had a beer with me at that time, I would have been set. Also read this scientific article instead of watching 'horrorific Youtube video's' if you're not convinced: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352364616300013 I will never be convinced. Do you not understand this is a trigger for me? Stop making it worse. |
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Chiibi said: Timz0r said: I've ate roasted crickets before and it just tasted like peanuts. If I had a beer with me at that time, I would have been set. Also read this scientific article instead of watching 'horrorific Youtube video's' if you're not convinced: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352364616300013 I will never be convinced. Do you not understand this is a trigger for me? Stop making it worse. I honesty don't care about your feelings. It's science. Deal with it. |
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SargonTheGreat said: Hrybami said: No hes saying the human brain needs those resources to sustain itself not that the meat itself is what gave us big brain.Mind = Blown. Seagulls eat chicken mcnuggets from the trash can. They will develop big brain soon. May I ask what does meat provide that the brain needs and couldn't been found elsewhere? |
| idk about you, but I like the facts, last time I checked on my 2nd-grade food pyramid, it said I needed meat in my system. |
WELL, FUCK YOU TOO. You can shove that "science" up your ass, you inconsiderate piece of human excrement. A KITTEN CORPSE DECAYING IS SCIENCE TOO; THAT DOESN'T MEAN PEOPLE WANT TO SEE VIDEOS OF IT. (If I get banned for this, it was worth it) |
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Chiibi said: WELL, FUCK YOU TOO. You can shove that "science" up your ass, you inconsiderate piece of human excrement. A KITTEN CORPSE DECAYING IS SCIENCE TOO; THAT DOESN'T MEAN PEOPLE WANT TO SEE VIDEOS OF IT. (If I get banned for this, it was worth it) Thanks for your kind words. It really shows you're a kind person in real life. Keep that attitude up. It will get you far in life. |
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| I don't know if Veganism is the future. It would be a good future imo, but it really has a long way to go. We have to wait at least a couple of life-long vegan generations to understand if it's really feasible for the human body. For now most vegans are doing ok health-wise, except for a few exceptions (that make a lot more clamor obviously). For now the numbers are increasing, and that's promising, but it could still be a fad if most people can't maintain the lifestyle. I choose to try the vegan lifestyle. I can't find any argument against it to be honest, except the I don't care argument. And I'm fine with that argument. I'm not kidding. You can't be upright and coherent in every aspect of your life. Maybe you wouldn't kill your food but you accept your inconsistency, that's just human. I'm definitely doing the same in other "fields" probably. |
Amffy said: SargonTheGreat said: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-emotion ahahahha two can play this game :D Well fine, would you eat dog or cat meat then? If you’re vegan and you have a cat, you’re an animal abuser period. Cats are obligate carnivores, they need meat. I’d say that Cat, fox and, to an extent, dog owners are the rare kinds of people that shouldn’t be vegan. |
| Veganism is a form of nihilism, simple as that. Depriving themselves of culinary pleasures, and thus, devaluing their own lives in favor of a higher good: the reduction of animal suffering, something inherent to nature. And if most of them are hated for good reasons, it's for proselytizing their own moral values on others who don't want to live their nihilistic lifestyles. |
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| I'm not a vegan, but I think it might become the future solely due to rising costs. |
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| There are significant environmental, health, and moral reasons for why in an ideal world everybody would be mostly vegetarian, and hopefully one day we get there. However as it stands given our current technology it's just not feasible on a global scale. Being vegetarian yet avoiding any malnutrition currently requires a significant amount of wealth as well for many would require as a substantial amount of dietary planning Also that's just to go (mostly) vegetarian and in a dietary sense, only ignorant dumbasses think it's feasible for humans to go fully vegan in lifestyle in any near future. They have no idea whatsoever the extent to which animal products are necessary to our lives (or at the very least prevent everyday products from being prohibitively expensive). Affordable plastic, rubber, glue, oil, clothes, medicines, organ transplants, and so many other things are crucial to our day to day. |
HatsuneYugi4 said: Salad is good but burgers are better. We've come to the point that a vegan burger tastes not so different from an actual burger On topic, yea it's gonna become more popular as the quality of vegan products keep improving. It's never gonna be the sole way of eating, there is always gonna be a group that will always strongly oppose it. |
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| The way we treat our food sources should change for sure, but if veganism is the future, you can kill me now. I don't mind certain meat alternatives, but we still have a long way to go before every meat alternative tastes good enough for me to want to switch entirely. A good amount of them still taste like ass. |
| I hope veganism won't be regarded as common sense in the future, since it's a very unhealthy style of life. I was a vegetarian for some time in the past, and I feel ashamed of myself for some very irrational things that I ended up saying to defend it. Shoryuuken said: HatsuneYugi4 said: Salad is good but burgers are better. We've come to the point that a vegan burger tastes not so different from an actual burger On topic, yea it's gonna become more popular as the quality of vegan products keep improving. It's never gonna be the sole way of eating, there is always gonna be a group that will always strongly oppose it. Even if that's the case, it's still not real meat, so the effects in the body are different. One of the things that terrify me the most about veganism is the possibility that I may end up buying some food that is sold as if it were meat even though it's actually something else mysteriously produced by God knows what means, and having God knows what effects in my body. |
ColtBuntlineApr 17, 2022 9:15 PM
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| You stopped eating meat because you care for the earth’s beautiful creatures. I stopped eating it because COVID screwed up my sense of taste and now meat doesn’t really taste good anymore. |
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| Like some mixed millennial babe said, "vegan diets are very expensive". Same millennial tried to be vegan, but went back to being a plain, old vegetarian eating eggs and cheese as her main protein supplement, source, etc. It's already been clear that a five-star restaurant is vegan and many people prefer to eat at home, Wal-Mart or Burger King. For the record, you need animal protein anyway. Plant protein is not the building block of animal biology. Vegetables and non-animal products are best suited for vitamins, minerals or phytochemicals. Sometimes for quinine, like when you get a fever. Just be like an orangutan and eat some kind of animal product humanely. They have been seen eating fish they caught by hand and termites. Personally, I'd rather eat edible insects, fish or wild game if conventional red meat were never a choice. You can also eat plenty apples before and after red meat. So yeah, I don't think that veganism will triumph over mixed or various vegetarian diets. |
Kurt_IrvingApr 18, 2022 2:18 AM
Mummykun said: I hope veganism won't be regarded as common sense in the future, since it's a very unhealthy style of life. I was a vegetarian for some time in the past, and I feel ashamed of myself for some very irrational things that I ended up saying to defend it. Shoryuuken said: We've come to the point that a vegan burger tastes not so different from an actual burger On topic, yea it's gonna become more popular as the quality of vegan products keep improving. It's never gonna be the sole way of eating, there is always gonna be a group that will always strongly oppose it. Even if that's the case, it's still not real meat, so the effects in the body are different. Plant based product are also almost never going be detoriating to your health. One of the things that terrify me the most about veganism is the possibility that I may end up buying some food that is sold as if it were meat even though it's actually something else mysteriously produced by God knows what means, and having God knows what effects in my body. I reccomend you to read some books regarding veganism as it's never a mystery what's in it. Also quite the double standard as there have been cases different types of meat have been mixed with various products to get the same end product. Everything that's in meat can be replaced by beans, beans have proteine and a more amount of fiber. But since most of us are so accostumed to eating meat it's hard to break this habit. Another fun fact is that Gladiators from back the day were close to vegan, so it's not impossible to live without meat. I'm all in for humans eating meat if they wanna, various cultures would be lost if we wouldn't enable meat eating. But we have to keep the information factual in order to protect the vegans as well as I noticed they get slandered about too often. |
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Shoryuuken said: Mummykun said: I hope veganism won't be regarded as common sense in the future, since it's a very unhealthy style of life. I was a vegetarian for some time in the past, and I feel ashamed of myself for some very irrational things that I ended up saying to defend it. Even if that's the case, it's still not real meat, so the effects in the body are different. One of the things that terrify me the most about veganism is the possibility that I may end up buying some food that is sold as if it were meat even though it's actually something else mysteriously produced by God knows what means, and having God knows what effects in my body. I reccomend you to read some books regarding veganism as it's never a mystery what's in it. Also quite the double standard as there have been cases different types of meat have been mixed with various products to get the same end product. Everything that's in meat can be replaced by beans, beans have proteine and a more amount of fiber. But since most of us are so accostumed to eating meat it's hard to break this habit. Another fun fact is that Gladiators from back the day were close to vegan, so it's not impossible to live without meat. I'm all in for humans eating meat if they wanna, various cultures would be lost if we wouldn't enable meat eating. But we have to keep the information factual in order to protect the vegans as well as I noticed they get slandered about too often. I reject your recommendation; I prefer to use my time to read some great literature books, which include very relevant information about food, to acquire more culture, besides allowing my thoughts to be guided by real life experiences concerning the effects of food, instead of believing in any nonsense written in a book with a lot of appeal to authority to manipulate the reader. Reading books written by some deluded vegans trying to promote some unhealthy diet to make people weaker doesn't seem to be a wise way for one to spend his time. There was no double standard in what I wrote; Since we're talking about veganism, I mentioned the possible problem of people selling food that is not meat as if it were meat. If there are also cases in which meat is sold as if it weren't meat, then that's a different matter. And there's also the problem of buying meat believing that it's from one animal, even though it's from another one. But then, again, this is a different subject matter, which doesn't have to do with the topic of veganism. No, not everything that is in meat can be replaced by bean; You don't know what you're talking about. So you're saying that gladiators were close to vegan, without any evidence to support your claim, and you expect people to take your claim seriously just because you're speaking as if you had been there to know for sure that such is a fact? "Close to vegans" is a very vague way to phrase it anyway. I don't believe that people were able to be remarkably strong while not eating anything that comes from animals. If you want to keep the information factual then stop spreading disinformation talking as if eating meat is not relevant for one to have a healthy life. Of course, it's not impossible to live without meat, but you're going to be weaker, both mentally and physically, which is very convenient for some powerful people who want to control everyone as cattle, just doing as their are told by the so called "health authorities", which is why veganism is so promoted along with other destructive ideologies. By the way, did you seriously edit my text adding "Plant based product are also almost never going be detoriating to your health."? Good job showing an example of what you actually mean by keeping the information "factual". I've reported your post. |
ColtBuntlineApr 19, 2022 5:55 PM
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| I can tell you this, veganism consumes a lot less energy and reduces CO2 emission. Meat consumption and the meat industry in general contributes so much to pollution and the environmental crisis. Consuming less meat or no meat at all could definitely help the planet more than we think. |
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samashi20 said: I can tell you this, veganism consumes a lot less energy and reduces CO2 emission. Meat consumption and the meat industry in general contributes so much to pollution and the environmental crisis. Consuming less meat or no meat at all could definitely help the planet more than we think. While that is definitely true, one should ask themselves why is the meat industry consuming so much energy and emitting so much greenhouse gases in the first place. For example, feeding the cows with what they are supposed to be fed instead of corn might decrease the methane emissions by up to 50%, so that's basically the same as everyone eating twice less meat. The amount of oil/energy needed to raise a cow can also be greatly reduced. My grandparents used to raise plenty of farm animals without the need of any artificial energy sources. By contrast, plants usually always require at least some resources, especially in cases where the environment or the season is not optimal. |
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149597871 said: I am well aware of these reasons, but some of the blame needs to be put on the part of the population that isn't. There's always a very high demand on meat which the industry responds to and profits from. Not to mention things like chain restaurants and how much they alone consume. If people are educated on this topic and willing to cut down on their meat diet and balance better and more, the industry will be forced to reduce the production rate anyway. samashi20 said: I can tell you this, veganism consumes a lot less energy and reduces CO2 emission. Meat consumption and the meat industry in general contributes so much to pollution and the environmental crisis. Consuming less meat or no meat at all could definitely help the planet more than we think. While that is definitely true, one should ask themselves why is the meat industry consuming so much energy and emitting so much greenhouse gases in the first place. For example, feeding the cows with what they are supposed to be fed instead of corn might decrease the methane emissions by up to 50%, so that's basically the same as everyone eating twice less meat. The amount of oil/energy needed to raise a cow can also be greatly reduced. My grandparents used to raise plenty of farm animals without the need of any artificial energy sources. By contrast, plants usually always require at least some resources, especially in cases where the environment or the season is not optimal. |
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Mummykun said: Shoryuuken said: I reccomend you to read some books regarding veganism as it's never a mystery what's in it. Also quite the double standard as there have been cases different types of meat have been mixed with various products to get the same end product. Everything that's in meat can be replaced by beans, beans have proteine and a more amount of fiber. But since most of us are so accostumed to eating meat it's hard to break this habit. Another fun fact is that Gladiators from back the day were close to vegan, so it's not impossible to live without meat. I'm all in for humans eating meat if they wanna, various cultures would be lost if we wouldn't enable meat eating. But we have to keep the information factual in order to protect the vegans as well as I noticed they get slandered about too often. I reject your recommendation; I prefer to use my time to read some great literature books, which include very relevant information about food, to acquire more culture, besides allowing my thoughts to be guided by real life experiences concerning the effects of food, instead of believing in any nonsense written in a book with a lot of appeal to authority to manipulate the reader. Reading books written by some deluded vegans trying to promote some unhealthy diet to make people weaker doesn't seem to be a wise way for one to spend his time. There was no double standard in what I wrote; Since we're talking about veganism, I mentioned the possible problem of people selling food that is not meat as if it were meat. If there are also cases in which meat is sold as if it weren't meat, then that's a different matter. And there's also the problem of buying meat believing that it's from one animal, even though it's from another one. But then, again, this is a different subject matter, which doesn't have to do with the topic of veganism. No, not everything that is in meat can be replaced by bean; You don't know what you're talking about. So you're saying that gladiators were close to vegan, without any evidence to support your claim, and you expect people to take your claim seriously just because you're speaking as if you had been there to know for sure that such is a fact? "Close to vegans" is a very vague way to phrase it anyway. I don't believe that people were able to be remarkably strong while not eating anything that comes from animals. If you want to keep the information factual then stop spreading disinformation talking as if eating meat is not relevant for one to have a healthy life. Of course, it's not impossible to live without meat, but you're going to be weaker, both mentally and physically, which is very convenient for some powerful people who want to control everyone as cattle, just doing as their are told by the so called "health authorities", which is why veganism is so promoted along with other destructive ideologies. By the way, did you seriously edit my text adding "Plant based product are also almost never going be detoriating to your health."? Good job showing an example of what you actually mean by keeping the information "factual". I've reported your post. They're not going to do anything with your report, just so you know. Nowhere am I breaking the terms of service whatsoever, this has to do with you being upset with me being indifferent about veganism. I don't get why you've gotta be so hostile towards my post, nowhere did I try to bring yours down. Anyway stay polite or this will be my last reply. Sad that you will not follow my reccomendation, would have loved to give you some pointers, but I see your mind has already been set in stone. As Veganism is also a food culture I think people should know about. The facts and fictions too, yes. It's takes a google search to find out Gladiators didn't eat meat outside of fish and seafood. With " close to vegan" I meant their diet was mostly plant based maing them succesfully vegetarian. But seeing you wouldn't want my reccomendations regarding books you'd also never find out, sadly. Yes, everything that is in bean can be replaced with meat. You're free to disagree but I know people who are the living proof that you're 100% wrong on that regard. PS That edit was 100% a mistake, as I was texting previous from my phone, you seriously gotta calm down lmao like why would someone actively do that. |
ShoryuukenApr 20, 2022 1:24 PM
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| Food is just an important part of the culture. I don't think we'll ever see widespread implementation of veganism. Even for the most developed countries, it would be difficult. Every countries are proud of their cuisine. Also it seems to me that veganism is only convenient for western city dweller. For now, vegan food seems expensive. It also needs to be imported and also processed. Most people would wouldn't drop their ways of life for something that is just inconvenient and expensive. It seems to me that vegan people are mostly sheltered and delusionnal about reality. But that's just a consequence of industrialization and increase of population in urban area. Being born from a generation of farmers and having myself helped in killing animals. I don't see my way of eating anytime soon. Animals shouldn't be threated equal to humans. Perhaps in the future, vegan food will become necessary as the population increase. But for now, I think I'll still enjoy my meat. |
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SupChoco said: Food is just an important part of the culture. I don't think we'll ever see widespread implementation of veganism. Even for the most developed countries, it would be difficult. Every countries are proud of their cuisine. Also it seems to me that veganism is only convenient for western city dweller. For now, vegan food seems expensive. It also needs to be imported and also processed. Most people would wouldn't drop their ways of life for something that is just inconvenient and expensive. It seems to me that vegan people are mostly sheltered and delusionnal about reality. But that's just a consequence of industrialization and increase of population in urban area. Being born from a generation of farmers and having myself helped in killing animals. I don't see my way of eating anytime soon. Animals shouldn't be threated equal to humans. Perhaps in the future, vegan food will become necessary as the population increase. But for now, I think I'll still enjoy my meat. The fact that veganism gets pushed so hard is really harmful to the lower class as well, not to mention would rob many people of their cultures as well. Nor are vegans ever in the position to tell you what you should eat and whatnot. What I hate the most is that people look at what the people eat, rather then how the animals are getting treated before their death (it's an entire psycho subculture), which is the part that make many people vegan in the first place. Look at the producers (not you tho), not the consumers. |
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Shoryuuken said: SupChoco said: Food is just an important part of the culture. I don't think we'll ever see widespread implementation of veganism. Even for the most developed countries, it would be difficult. Every countries are proud of their cuisine. Also it seems to me that veganism is only convenient for western city dweller. For now, vegan food seems expensive. It also needs to be imported and also processed. Most people would wouldn't drop their ways of life for something that is just inconvenient and expensive. It seems to me that vegan people are mostly sheltered and delusionnal about reality. But that's just a consequence of industrialization and increase of population in urban area. Being born from a generation of farmers and having myself helped in killing animals. I don't see my way of eating anytime soon. Animals shouldn't be threated equal to humans. Perhaps in the future, vegan food will become necessary as the population increase. But for now, I think I'll still enjoy my meat. The fact that veganism gets pushed so hard is really harmful to the lower class as well, not to mention would rob many people of their cultures as well. Nor are vegans ever in the position to tell you what you should eat and whatnot. What I hate the most is that people look at what the people eat, rather then how the animals are getting treated before their death (it's an entire psycho subculture), which is the part that make many people vegan in the first place. Look at the producers (not you tho), not the consumers. Agree. In their defence, I agree with vegans that people should know where their food comes from and how animals are threated. But their ways of doing are sometimes way too ridiculous. Another point that they're bringing (not intentionally) that I find interesting is that too many people live sheltered from violence and blood. Making them weak and delusional about reality. People should learn about it at a young age and parents should never shelter their kids from the truth. The way I see things, you should eat what you're able to kill. I don't really have a problem with vegans and they're probably less hypocrite than a good portion of meat eaters. Vegans are revealing the hypocrisy of a lot people and proving the weakness of western society. Also just like in any communties, people give too much attention to the vocal minority at the expense of the majority. |
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