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| Wow, this was bad. That's not how you write a backstory, smh. Also CGI T-Rex is funny af. |
Yourmom53 said: There are literally tons of times where people got into detail when it comes to criticism to the show, you're just mad because they have a different opinion than you. If I was mad at every single person who didn't share my opinion I'd be in jail right now for assault. I don't go around insisting that I'm right about every single thing and going "Ha ha! Told you so!" and treating others like they're below me because their opinion doesn't match mine. These criticisms come from people who can't handle serious issues like slavery and are looking for excuses, such as Naofumi being a pedophile and a emo kid, to shit on an anime that actually has the guts to tackle these very same issues. Don't assume that you know everything about me just because we view things differently. |
| "You talk too much. Think too much." "I don't care how justified you think your reasons are. I won't tolerate liars or thieves." "If you're not going to be nice to me, don't expect me to be nice to you." "I'm a soldier, not a superhero. Don't ever think of me as one." "The world doesn't revolve around you. Get that through your thick skull." "People who live by their emotions go nowhere in their lives. They only find misery. "If you don't like the way your life is than do something about it instead of sitting there feeling sorry for yourself." "You want something go get it. Period." |
Yourmom53 said: Man if what it takes for to assault someone is being mad then you need to see a shrink also despite the anime having the "guts" to tackle "serious" issue its executed in the most elementary way since it pretty much boils down to Naofumi-Good Everyone Else-Bad And what exactly is wrong with that? It's simple in it's purest form. Seriously man, I like to see how you would handle Naofumi's situation if you were in his shoes. Because it's clear to me you have no idea just how bad life can get or just how cruel the world can be. You may be living a comfortable life right now but you have yet to learn just how easily and how quickly you can lose all that just with a snap of a finger. |
| "You talk too much. Think too much." "I don't care how justified you think your reasons are. I won't tolerate liars or thieves." "If you're not going to be nice to me, don't expect me to be nice to you." "I'm a soldier, not a superhero. Don't ever think of me as one." "The world doesn't revolve around you. Get that through your thick skull." "People who live by their emotions go nowhere in their lives. They only find misery. "If you don't like the way your life is than do something about it instead of sitting there feeling sorry for yourself." "You want something go get it. Period." |
papsoshea said: In my defense, I thought the first few episodes were good. Since episode 4, its been going downhill to various degrees of decline.It took 15 episodes for some people to see what I have been saying from the get-go, more people are starting to show their disappointment. |
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papsoshea said: It took 15 episodes for some people to see what I have been saying from the get-go, more people are starting to show their disappointment. The main complaint about this episode involved a scene that was changed from the source material, though. Also, there were dozens of comments in the Ep 14 thread hoping that the “If you kill X, you’re no better than X” trope wouldn’t happen so it wasn’t surprising that many were disappointed. Edit: Phone messed up one of my sentences. |
VeryLTTPApr 21, 2019 3:48 PM
Aniteku said: just find funny that all this people come out of the shadow everytime this show has a big episode, look at the episodes polls this one has 735 votes already and havent reach a week yet while ep 14 only has 490 votes in almost 2 weeks And there were other episodes that got as many votes as this one, but not with this kind of speed. But number of votes aside, the reception isn’t all that surprising. Not sure why the director wanted to fix what wasn’t broken... |
Thread Cleaned Please be civil when debating/discussing the show. People on both sides of the fence have been unnecessarily vitriolic towards each other for the past several weeks and it frankly needs to stop. . And just a reminder that single-phrase responses like "I liked this episode" or "the CG was bad" will be removed without notice since they don't contribute to the discussion |
LoveLikeBloodApr 22, 2019 8:20 AM
Take care of yourself |
Aniteku said: only thing i can think on why they changed this sceene is becouse this show is still pg-13 they probably dont wanna give minors the idea that its ok to kill if is for justice or something like that. If that's the case, I can sort of understand the reason, but I still find it to be a lame excuse. I don't think Raphtalia stabbling Idol in the shoulder would warrant a higher rating than PG-13. I would not sacrifice characterization consistency to appease a few moralists. |
| I’m sure this has already been discussed to death, but I’m ticked the anime stole Raphtalia’s kill, so to speak. Everything else about the episode was great, don’t get me wrong, but that was kind of a big deal. |
genesic123 said: It seems that That Anime Snob is seriously sending in his goon squard to troll with retarded nitpickng vritue signaling and fake information. Thats the main source of most of the dumb haters.I wish these youtubers would just back off from mal. Never heard of him, but since you brought him up I went and watched some of his stuff. Spot on, really. Hope he sends more of his "goons" over. |
genesic123 said: SSL443 said: Never heard of him, but since you brought him up I went and watched some of his stuff. Spot on, really. Hope he sends more of his "goons" over. You did cite that video.So...... Um... wat? What video did I cite? |
genesic123 said: It seems that That Anime Snob is seriously sending in his goon squard to troll with retarded nitpickng vritue signaling and fake information. Thats the main source of most of the dumb haters.I wish these youtubers would just back off from mal. That's pretty hard to prove, isn't it though? The only "proof" that you have is how this episode got a whole lot of votes in less than week, even though this episode isn't as "big" as few of the other episodes that have significantly less votes. I did check out his videos and I do see the resemblance between his style and the "critique" being put out here, especially this particular habit pointed out by Digibro (11:29 - 12:53) |
VeryLTTPApr 23, 2019 10:20 AM
Yourmom53 said: Thank you, honest to god thank you for this post because the Shieldbois would argue until they are blue in the face that Naofumi "isnt like Kirito because hes isnt OP" when in reality he is the strongest guy in the series and hasnt been so much as injured. Naofumi is worse than OP, he's whatever the plot needs him to be at the current moment - hence why he doesn't just steamroll the soldiers and other heroes. Right now the plot needs fake conflict, so he is depicted as being in dire straights and in some kind of "danger". Even though Glass acknowledged him as the only legitimate hero among them, to say nothing of the countless other times he has overcome obstacles with zero effort asspull. Bottom line, whatever happens practically with Naofumi's character is the product of lazy, contrived writing, as I've been saying from day one. At this point it is blatantly nothing more than in service to the revenge and justice porn with a side of self-insert and animal waifus. |
dD_ShockTrooper said: Additionally, from all scenes up till now, the common soldiers have been total joke pushovers, how the hell is he unable to simply force through the border to escape already? This show is having its cake and eating it too with Naofumi needing to hide from the law, and Naofumi being super strong and kewl and able to beat up ALL the bad guys without even breaking a sweat. Pick one, and be consistent, because at the moment the narrative is just a kitchen sink of poorly thrown together ideas. Well, it's not just him that needs to cross the border... And we did see how his party's escape was initially botched in Ep 13. |
dD_ShockTrooper said: Additionally, from all scenes up till now, the common soldiers have been total joke pushovers, how the hell is he unable to simply force through the border to escape already? This show is having its cake and eating it too with Naofumi needing to hide from the law, and Naofumi being super strong and kewl and able to beat up ALL the bad guys without even breaking a sweat. Pick one, and be consistent, because at the moment the narrative is just a kitchen sink of poorly thrown together ideas. Of course, some will say that it's not just him that needs to cross the border. But Naofumi is the shield hero. The whole point of his role is to tank for his teammates. And that's completely ignoring the asspull offenssive abilities he has on top of his defensive ones. |
SSL443 said: Of course, some will say that it's not just him that needs to cross the border. But Naofumi is the shield hero. The whole point of his role is to tank for his teammates. And that's completely ignoring the asspull offenssive abilities he has on top of his defensive ones. Quoting the wrong person? His defense isn't some all surrounding force field. In addition, the main objective isn't for him to cross the border unscathed, but to keep Melty safe. It doesn't matter how good his defense is if someone manages to snipe Melty "by accident". |
| I watched the episode yesterday. It was an ok episode for me, but it was a bit awkward when Raphtalia said she would be the same as the scumbag if she took his life. I don't at all mind that choice in itself, though. Was nice getting to know more about Raphtalia's story and background. When I realized that that song really was in Swedish, it made me very distracted. It's the first time I've come across a Swedish song in an anime, so it felt special. I'll write the date down for sure. Hope they get to the other country very soon. Like a previous poster, I don't look forward to the dino fight. |
| can dis sig fit |
Yourmom53 said: Yeah but its a border though, can't he tell Melty to hide somewhere for like 15 minutes while he clear out the perimeter. Or he could put her in the shield prison and roll her through like a giant hamster ball. The mechanics are irrelevant, we know that with all the asspull we've seen in this show that if they wanted them to get through the border they would without any issues. But instead we are treated to this megaschlock, which will only be intensified with the next episode. Edit: Speculation is pointless. Stating explicitly what Naofumi can and cannot do is the job of the author and show writers and ultimately all that matters. Problem is there is no consistency to the writing, we are constantly reminded that Naofumi is the only "real" hero and the other three are bumbling, arrogant stooges. Yet all of a sudden they are supposed to be a credible threat to the Emo Shielder, to the point where he can't even dash through them and escape over the border into Loliland. The number of people that need to get through with him is irrelevant, the point is that the writing scales the level of threat to whatever is necessary to serve the next contrived "conflict". |
SSL443Apr 23, 2019 7:17 PM
Yourmom53 said: Yeah but its a border though, can't he tell Melty to hide somewhere for like 15 minutes while he clear out the perimeter. And the border is heavily fortified because the kingdom knew where he wanted to go. While his shield prison can protect Melty, can it withstand attacks from the army and the other 3 heroes? Even Motoyasu managed to inflict damage back in Ep 4 and he's a dunce. All it takes is one opening and Melty is toast because she doesn't have super high defense. Not to mention, wouldn't it behoove the party to cross the border stealthily since it would be more efficient? If the party goes like "Hey we're here!!" the entire way to the border, that means Naofumi, Filo, Raphtalia, and Melty will constantly have to defend themselves while advancing at an inefficient pace. Not that it matters because they were advised to head in the opposite direction of Siltvelt by the queen's spy. Edit: Lol at the "speculation is pointless", @SSL443. If that's the case, then perhaps you should practice what you preach. After all, I'm speculating on top of your speculation that the shield prison hamster wheel will work without issues, so it renders the entire conversation pointless anyways. And it's not that all of a sudden the heroes are a credible threat, which is a strawman mind you. We already saw Motoyasu damage Naofumi before in spite of the former's stupidity and the latter's defense. This is an observable fact. Add onto the fact that the 3 heroes plus the aid of the kingdom will have the advantage in numbers which will help if it comes down to a battle of attrition. The "dash through" option may not work if there's a wall and I would expect spell casters ready to cast Speed Down like in Ep 5. So yeah, speculation is pointless. Let's just ignore the possible outcomes that can be explained from observable facts from previous episodes... *facepalm |
VeryLTTPApr 23, 2019 8:45 PM
| I got some serious Jurassic Park vibes with that fat aristocrat. And how did that gal decompose so fast... I sitll like this series alot, and I just cant get why. Perhaps its just so real and relateable how bitchy females can be? IM stumped, and I have rewatched all the episodes multiple times. At least theres slightly less cgi than in goblin slayer. >,;,< BUt ffs...its taking ages for the episodes to come out...it will be at least august or later before the series can be binge watched. Poor kids T.T |
VeryLTTP said: Yourmom53 said: Yeah but its a border though, can't he tell Melty to hide somewhere for like 15 minutes while he clear out the perimeter. And the border is heavily fortified because the kingdom knew where he wanted to go. While his shield prison can protect Melty, can it withstand attacks from the army and the other 3 heroes? Even Motoyasu managed to inflict damage back in Ep 4 and he's a dunce. All it takes is one opening and Melty is toast because she doesn't have super high defense. Not to mention, wouldn't it behoove the party to cross the border stealthily since it would be more efficient? If the party goes like "Hey we're here!!" the entire way to the border, that means Naofumi, Filo, Raphtalia, and Melty will constantly have to defend themselves while advancing at an inefficient pace. Not that it matters because they were advised to head in the opposite direction of Siltvelt by the queen's spy. PLus why did that one border town look like the great wall of china. That was just odd. |
AnchientProphet2 said: PLus why did that one border town look like the great wall of china. That was just odd. The border town between Siltwelt and Melromarc? Like how Melromarc discriminates against demi-humans, the demi-humans in Siltwelt discriminate against humans. |
| Speculation about what would "work" in-world is completely different than speculating about what the author could write to get a character out of a situation. I'm doing the latter. All of this reasoning that X may not work because Y is irrelevant if the author decides that it suddenly does. Talk about observable fact, we've seen plenty of asspull so far, so nothing is off the table. The ultimate point here is not what happens in the plot, but rather the lack of internal consistency. Whatever else may be the case, the audience is repeatedly TOLD in various ways that the other heroes are incompetent, which is in opposition to the supposed conflict that peaked with the showdown in episode 13. Basically, the author wrote themselves into a corner. They need the other heroes to be incompetent to fuel the justice porn, but they also need them to be a threat so that there is a semblance of tension. Problem is that at no point are these conflicting plot elements reconciled by the narrative, so we're left with yet another contrived situation that makes no sense at all and is a stupid incoherent mess. |
SSL443Apr 23, 2019 10:40 PM
Speculation about what would "work" in-world is completely different than speculating about what the author could write to get a character out of a situation. I'm doing the latter. Of which you are making assumptions that said tactic will work which also falls under speculation. I get to question the hypothetical written situation in which you have to defend it. And to defend it, you will need to speculate. But let me guess. Rules for me, but not for thee? All of this reasoning that X may not work because Y is irrelevant if the author decides that it suddenly does. Talk about observable fact, we've seen plenty of asspull so far, so nothing is off the table. It is relevant because there is a possibility that the tactic may not work. Have we actually seen Naofumi try to fight against a whole army of soldiers? Regardless of his defense, things could go wrong because he's more accustomed to fighting groups of enemies or a single powerful enemy. The ultimate point here is not what happens in the plot, but rather the lack of internal consistency. Whatever else may be the case, the audience is repeatedly TOLD in various ways that the other heroes are incompetent, which is in opposition to the supposed conflict that peaked with the showdown in episode 13. But incompetence isn't the same as not powerful. And to be told that the other heroes are incompetent doesn't necessarily mean that they're stupid 24/7. Basically, the author wrote themselves into a corner. They need the other heroes to be incompetent to fuel the justice porn, but they also need them to be a threat so that there is a semblance of tension. Problem is that at no point are these conflicting plot elements reconciled by the narrative, so we're left with yet another contrived situation that makes no sense at all and is a stupid incoherent mess. You're just making the same statements as you have 10 weeks ago, but that's just what they are: statements. When met with an alternative point, you dismiss that point with the lame "speculation is irrelevant" excuse when you don't apply that same standard to your own points. Now that's what I call writing yourself into a corner... Yourmom53 said: 1. I said Melty should hide in a basement so the Naofumi and Co can fight in full power You said nothing about a basement. This is what you said: Yourmom53 said: Yeah but its a border though, can't he tell Melty to hide somewhere for like 15 minutes while he clear out the perimeter. Where is this basement that magically appears out of nowhere? 2. There is a huge difference between episode 4 Naofumi and episode 15 in fact at this point I'm pretty sure Filo can handle spearguy Yeah, until someone manages to get the anti-transformation anklet on her decreasing her attack immensely. And it doesn't have to be Motoyasu to slap it on her. It can be any random soldier. 3.I'm pretty sure full frontal assault would be a faster pace instead of sneaking around. Full frontal assault the entire way to the border? Of which that border is likely heavily fortified? That will likely demand a lot of stamina and SP of which his party does not have an infinite supply of. Though not sure why you're speculating since according to SSL443, "speculating is irrelevant". Stop speculating 'about what would "work" in-world', why don't you? |
| If they're putting in this much filler at this point must be because they don't want to get past book 5 in the adaptation, and with the pace they were on before the show probably would've finished halfway through the seventh book lol |
| “I love heroes, but I don't want to be one. Do you even know what a hero is!? For example, you have some meat. Pirates will feast on the meat, but the hero will distribute it among the people! I want to eat the meat!” - Monkey D. Luffy |
Yourmom53 said: 1.Dude are you seriously nitpicking this hard, my point is that hide Melty somewhere so she wont get hurt, I used a basement for an example Then you should have stated it as such, which you didn't. Pointing out that you didn't say what you claimed to have said is not nitpicking. And you still haven't addressed this problem: where does this basement magically come from? 2.Im pretty sure the anti magic bracelet is pretty rare and even if it wasn't the only reason why spear hero put it on Filo because he had the element of surprised With the kingdom's resources, I'm sure they can get the materials needed to make multiple anklets. And if you have a random soldier blending in with the rest of the army, you can't tell who has the anklet or not. 3. Naofumi took down a bunch of soldiers like they were nothing so I doubt its going to take THAT much of SP He took down a bunch of soldiers and ran off (if we're talking about the latter half of Ep 13). Individually the soldiers are weak. But we haven't seen him take on a huge army of them. Not to mention, the army comprises of not just foot soldiers, but also archers and mages. So to claim that he can just tank through all of them involves a lot of assumptions. 4. Take the speculating stuff to the mentioned poster So you disagree with his assertion that speculation is pointless? |
Yourmom53 said: 1. Dude get off the basement thing, I used a basement as an example, MY POINT is that Melty can hide somewhere and not be hit in the crossfire Why are you getting so angry for no reason? It's not my problem that you didn't cite the basement as an example in the first place. And you're just going back to square one. Melty could be sniped from someone. A basement likely only has one exit point, so if a bunch of soldiers find her and block off the one exit, then what will happen then? It's funny that 2. Naofumi took down a dragon and that eater thing, I doubt an army of soldiers will be that big of a deal A dragon or a soul eater are individual enemies. An army contain multiple fighters of various jobs. It's not the same. Not even close. Plus, Filo took down the dragon. As for the soul eater, iron maiden is a single target attack. You're limited to whatever you can fit in the shield prison to deal damage with that attack. 3. Even if someone put the anklet on Filo she cam still fight with those gloves things and probably take off the anklet too But that takes dashing through the army option out of the window. If she can't go into her bird form, then the party will have to fight because the party's mobility will be greatly reduced. 4. I dont care either way Well you certainly don't want the same standard applied to you. That's for sure... |
VeryLTTPApr 24, 2019 9:38 AM
| How cliche of a shonen"If I kill you now, I won't be any different from you." Like, what will be of him he will just keep doing those atrocities while others demi-humans suffer because of him, In reality you won't be a worse person for killing someone like him but giving the world one less evil to feed. You actually be worse if you don't kill him and he is free of keep making others suffer. Because you had the opportunity of making the world a better place but you didn't. Well the series got away with it by killing it at the end just before he summoned a fucking dragon that was sealed, which could have killed tons of people if this were more serious. Anyways I can understand that pure people like Rapthalia exist, but don't overuse the same phrase everyone uses. |
| the music playing in the background during the rifana and raphtalia scene is really pretty |
| Poor Rapthalia. Her backstory was very sad. I have a few issues like Rapthalia didn't kill that bastard or the bastard surviving after falling out of a third floor but it was a good episode. |
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| So sad Raphralia story'. |
tzarye14 said: Also, you are telling me that a retarded fat dude can break a seal that was created by the heroes in the past to seal a monster? Nice plot device. I was wondering the same and it annoyed me to no end. I am surprised nobody brought it up till your comment. I liked the rest of the episode even though it was cliche, but that last scene ruined everything. |
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