The Seven Deadly Sins
| I wasn't aware until just a moment a go...is this series about to end soon? It seems like it. But anyway I read the first major arc, the Holy Knights arc and then I stopped for a while and planned to pick it up again. I thought now would be an appropriate time to bring this up then. Did this series turn to crap or was it able to maintain its quality? Generally these Shonen titles always get worse as they go on. Bleach was a great series and that turned to garbage at the end and nobody cared about it anymore. Fairy Tail went really downhill. Toriko went really downhill. One Piece is currently going downhill. Even older ones like Yu You Hakusho did as well. So yeah for anyone who still reads it because I don't really follow what's going on, do people still generally like it or is this another series where the consensus is that it's just gotten worse? |
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| Ready for plot point that was drop mid way, wasted characters, rush resolution. Where Ban sacred weapon? So the supreme goddess not show up huh. DK is lame Let forgive the guys that massacre the kingdom |
| The manga is actually on the epilogue chapters and I can't belive it, suddenly ended leaving a lot of questions. A really bad and disappointing ending, but the journey was good until the last arc. Some things could have been better but pretty good in general. And also I really disagree with you about One Piece, the manga isn't going downhill at all in my opinion. |
Acruxx said: The manga is actually on the epilogue chapters and I can't belive it, suddenly ended leaving a lot of questions. A really bad and disappointing ending, but the journey was good until the last arc. Some things could have been better but pretty good in general. And also I really disagree with you about One Piece, the manga isn't going downhill at all in my opinion. OP is slightly below what it used to be. but definitely not degenerating by the second. |
| Rushed ending..................................self explanatory |
| So it's had a rushed ending? This is the reason why many manga generally don't have good endings because they're always slow paced and then out of nowhere they're rushed to an end. Toriko and Yu Yu Hakusho which I already mentioned were a victim of having a rushed ending. Historys Strongest Disciple Kenichi was another. Now it's happened again with this? Why would it need to be rushed? |
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| Did the sales drop or something? Is that why it's been rushed to an end? |
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| It's meh on the start, it's donkey shite on the end. |
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| I think it's still great sure some things are left-out but it's not done yet, and the New DK can perhaps Opens up the possibility of seeing the Deity and other things the series wasn't able to accomplish; getting to know more sides of the big characters behind and in front of the scenes... it's too early to decide anything just yet. |
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| Well how many chapters are left? When does it end exactly? |
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scabab said: Did the sales drop or something? Is that why it's been rushed to an end? Sales are quite good, Might be because due to Nakaba's health.If you notice after he became sick the condition of the manga rapidly dropped. |
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| IIRC, the mangaka had some health issues and was hospitalized sometime during the start of the DK arc. Not too sure about the details maybe some one else can provide more information, but I definitely felt the quality dropped and series got rushed from that point onward. |
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| In my opinion the manga has lowered the quality, and a lot. With poor characters and poorly explored (many characters are totally ignored at a certain point, does not know how to handle the secondary ones). With very little worked or convenient plots. Battles without emotion that only rely on which character has better power ups (although that is something that in my opinion has spoiled the manga from the beginning, the characters will not be well balanced and only a quick response is sought so that the peronajes become more powerful). There are other things that I think have worsened the manga (like the hasty end and with great convenience in the plot), but as they have said it seems that the mangaka was hospitalized or suffered an illness, so I guess it is "forgivable" course that the manga has taken, although in spite of everything it does not seem very bad to me. |
| It's like this and Fairy Tail are in competition to see who can end it worse |
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| The manga went downhill ever since chapter 100. It was never good to begin with, but enire 10 commandments arcs are complete garbage and wasn't even at least enjoyable. The characters are ridiculously bad, the romance is cringeworthy, filled with asspulls and plot armor, and the 10 commandments are a terrible/disappointing group of villains. It's just a terrible series overall. |
Mugglus said: Wow, i actually can`t see a single positive comment. I`m not quite caught up, currently on chapter 349, but the last couple arcs are way better than the first arcs of this manga. I personally think that the end of Toriko was pretty good. Fairy Tail was trash from the start and one piece is still amazing, so i totally disagree with what you are saying. Toriko was another victim of having a rushed ending. Fairy Tail was half decent up to the Fighting Festival arc. One Piece has never been the same since the time skip. It's still good but not to the same extent which is why the sales are dropping. |
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| I dropped it at chapter 168 giving it a 3/10 and never looked back. It became average to trash as more chapters were released. I did enjoy the 1st season anime though, even made a review on it, but I never liked the manga version from the get go. |
| I Dropped this at 200 chapters. I didn't like Meliodas and Elizabeth and thought it was borimg. |
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| still reading it but only bc its chapter by chapter for me. i would not have picked it up if i knew how it would turn out. its just not good enough. |
| Too many of these Shonen Battle manga drag on longer than need be I suppose. Instead of telling a good paced story and ending it when it reaches a natural ending within a few years, they seem to feel the need to drag it out for as long as possible until it turns to shit and gets forced to end. They're all like 30, 40 or more volumes these days. |
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| Dressrosa dragged, one of the weaker arcs because it just didn't know when to end. The Whole Cake arc was fine though. Haven't read the Wano arc. |
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scabab said: One Piece has never been the same since the time skip. It's still good but not to the same extent which is why the sales are dropping. Wrong. The sales are dropping because of the current quick rise of digital manga sales which are not counted by Oricon. The decline in phyisical tankobon sales has been affecting every single manga series that is currently running in the last 2-3 years. The drop of the sales of One Piece is obviously larger because it sells much, much more than other series. But you can also observe this well with Attack on Titan. Bottom line: The quality of the series (which is still great in my opinion as well) is not the reason for the declinging sales. |
De_Baer said: Wrong. The sales are dropping because of the current quick rise of digital manga sales which are not counted by Oricon. The decline in phyisical tankobon sales has been affecting every single manga series that is currently running in the last 2-3 years. The drop of the sales of One Piece is obviously larger because it sells much, much more than other series. But you can also observe this well with Attack on Titan. Bottom line: The quality of the series (which is still great in my opinion as well) is not the reason for the declinging sales. No that's actually not true at all. The decline began long before that 2-3 years. One Piece volumes used to sell upwards of 3 million copies a month back in 2012. By 2014 that had dropped down to 2.5 million. By 2016 it had actually increased to 2.7 million as the Dressrosa arc was reaching its end. It was after that point did it begin to really fall, soon after it dropped all the way to 2.3 million in a month. It wasn't a gradual decline because of digital sales, it was a sharp drop. Now it's down to barely 2 million in a month because it is slowly becoming worse over time. |
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scabab said: De_Baer said: Wrong. The sales are dropping because of the current quick rise of digital manga sales which are not counted by Oricon. The decline in phyisical tankobon sales has been affecting every single manga series that is currently running in the last 2-3 years. The drop of the sales of One Piece is obviously larger because it sells much, much more than other series. But you can also observe this well with Attack on Titan. Bottom line: The quality of the series (which is still great in my opinion as well) is not the reason for the declinging sales. No that's actually not true at all. The decline began long before that 2-3 years. One Piece volumes used to sell upwards of 3 million copies a month back in 2012. By 2014 that had dropped down to 2.5 million. By 2016 it had actually increased to 2.7 million as the Dressrosa arc was reaching its end. It was after that point did it begin to really fall, soon after it dropped all the way to 2.3 million in a month. It wasn't a gradual decline because of digital sales, it was a sharp drop. Now it's down to barely 2 million in a month because it is slowly becoming worse over time. No. You are ignoring the fact that the OP manga sales profited big time from backlog sales for many years after the big hype explosion in 2010. The sales started to normalize themselves around 2016 when the backlogsales finally came to a complete halt. After that the rise of digital sales begun and keeps leaving a huge impact on print media sales every year. Here is an article from the end of 2015 that tells you pretty much everything: https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/12/29/national/media-national/sales-japanese-print-publications-fall-amid-digital-explosion/#.XOGTLtjgq71 It makes it more than clear that it is no coincidence that the drop in sales started to happen pretty much around the exact same time. Another fact: The ratings for the One Piece manga rose sharply in the past 4 years, not only here on MAL (it went from 9.00 in 2014 to 9.07 in the past 5 years) but on pretty much every other relevant anime/manga database on the net. This means that a clear majority of people do not think the quality of the series declined, its actually the opposite. |
De_BaerMay 19, 2019 10:57 AM
De_Baer said: No. You are ignoring the fact that the OP manga sales profited big time from backlog sales for many years after the big hype explosion in 2010. The sales started to noramlize themselves around 2016 when the backlogsales slowly stopped. After that the rise of digital sales begun. That just helped the series overall series. Overall sales are dropping massively but I'm talking about individual volume sales. One Piece peaked shortly after the time skip. After that there wasn't a slow and steady decline. Your article is as of December 2015 but One Pieces sales actually improved after that point. Volumes sold better in 2016 during the end of the Dressrosa saga. Vol 78 did 2.65 million and Vol 79 and 80 did 2.7 million in a month. That was the last of Dressrosa. Then it immediately plummeted with Vol 81 to 2.4 million. That has nothing to do with digital sales. There isn't a slow decline happening here because of a slow rise in digital sales because Vol 83 sold better than the previous two volumes. Vol 85 sold better than Vol 84. No the series is dropping in chunks here and there. After Vol 83-86 sold consistently 2.4 million copies, Vol 87 then had a notable 150,000 sales drop. Vol 88 sold slightly better but then Vol 89 dropped another 250,000 copies. Vol 90 sold a bit better and Vol 91 sold a bit better still. And then latest volume has now just gone and dropped yet another 200,000 copies. |
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It has everything to do with digital sales. The article was written at the start of the digital sales boom. Because of that small fluctuations in volume sales do not prove the opposite to be true. Its normal. And the rise of digital sales is not slow at all. It has been huge and very impactful in the past years and as I said it has been happening to EVERY other manga series as well. Check the sales of AoT or Kingdom for comparison. |
De_Baer said: It has everything to do with digital sales. The article was written at the start of the digital sales boom. Because of that small fluctuations in volume sales do not prove the opposite to be true. Its normal. And the rise of digital sales is not slow at all. It has been huge and very impactful in the past years and as I said it has been happening to EVERY other manga series as well. Check the sales of AoT or Kingdom for comparison. They aren't small fluctuations though. The small fluctuations would just be the sales increasing or decreases by small amounts, that's just consistency though. This Vol 77 - 2.658 million Vol 78 - 2.652 million Vol 79 - 2.708 million Vol 80 - 2.703 million Is the series selling consistently over all of 2016. This Vol 81 - 2.395 million Is a significant and sudden 300,000+ sales drop. Hundreds of thousands of people didn't just suddenly switch over to digital sales. That's those people having finished the Dressrosa saga then just dropping out. Vol 85 released a year after Vol 81 but it actually sold a tad better. There was no huge impact, the sales remained steady in all of that time. It isn't dropping gradually, it's dropping in chunks every now and then and it's usually tied to something like an arc ending. The Dressrosa arc ended and a lot of sales were lost after that. |
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AmeliaNeston2003 said: Off topic What do you think of the sequel manga! of FT I haven't read it yet. I looked into it and there was like almost 40 chapters but they were single length. This isn't a weekly manga is it? Is it biweekly? Monthly? I'd probably wait until it finished before I started it. |
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AmeliaNeston2003 said: It's bi weekly but from last week it became temporary Weekly for 10 weeks because Hiro started another manga called Heros that is a crossover for FT ,Rave and Edens Zero , when Heroes ends the sequel will return to Bi weekly again Oh that's interesting. I wonder if they'll ever make an anime out of it. |
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AmeliaNeston2003 said: Hopefully! the cross over is nice! I missed Rave Master leads! it's good to see them again I've heard of Rave Master but never read it, because isn't that what Plue from Fairy Tail was meant to be from or something? I've also heard of Edens Zero but haven't read that either. I don't suppose that has an anime does it? |
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