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Feb 12, 2019 9:50 PM
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BUDAPEST (Reuters) - Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban announced new tax and loan benefits for families on Sunday as part of his government’s efforts to increase the birth rate while holding a hard line against immigration.

Orban, one of the most outspoken critics of mass immigration to Europe from the Middle East and Asia, added that he aimed to keep economic growth 2 percentage points over the European Union average in the next years despite an expected global slowdown.

There was no immediate government estimate for the cost of the new measures. Orban’s chief of staff, Gergely Gulyas, said on Friday that new spending would be financed from general reserves or surplus revenues in the 2019 budget.

Orban’s ruling Fidesz party faces European Parliament and local government elections this year after a string of protests in recent months against the 55-year-old premier’s rule, although the party still leads in opinion polls.

The rallies were sparked by the passage of laws in December allowing employers to ask for up to 400 hours of overtime per year, and the creation of new administrative courts that will answer to the government and oversee sensitive issues.

As Orban gave his annual state of the nation speech on Sunday, several hundred protesters gathered outside the Presidential Palace in Buda Castle, while about a hundred demonstrators blocked a nearby bridge over the Danube river.

“There are fewer and fewer children born in Europe. For the West, the answer (to that challenge) is immigration. For every missing child there should be one coming in and then the numbers will be fine,” Orban said.

“But we do not need numbers. We need Hungarian children,” he said, announcing the incentives program.

The new measures include the expansion of a loan program for families with at least two children to help them buy homes, subsidies for car purchases and waiving personal income tax for women raising at least four children.

Women below 40 who marry for the first time will be eligible for a 10 million forint ($36,000) subsidized loan, Orban said. A third of the debt will be forgiven when a second child is born and the entire loan waived after the third child.

The 2019 budget targets a deficit worth 1.8 percent of economic output. In January, it posted a 244.5 billion forint surplus, the highest in two decades, data showed.

Zoltan Torok, an analyst at the Hungarian unit of Raiffeisen Bank, said that on first glance the measures could cost several tens of billions of forints, but they were unlikely to produce any drastic increase in the budget deficit.

Despite the street protests, Orban’s Fidesz party remains well ahead of its opposition rivals, according to the latest opinion polls.

The think tank Nezopont put support for Fidesz at 39 percent of all voters in January, largely in line with a 38-percent reading by the pollster Median.

While Nezopont said the fallout of Orban’s December reforms had no impact on support for Fidesz, the Median survey said Fidesz had lost over half a million supporters since October.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hungary-orban-benefits/orban-offers-financial-incentives-to-boost-hungarys-birth-rate-idUSKCN1PZ0I0

Wow. Didn't Orban already win his election? He went hard.
Maybe Japan should look into this, like, a mother of four needs a seven seater Nissan you know?
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Feb 12, 2019 10:36 PM
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good luck with that, its not just japan or hungary having this problem its happening on rich countries in general

Feb 12, 2019 10:44 PM
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good luck with that, its not just japan or hungary having this problem its happening on rich countries in general



They won't need good luck. The article barely even scratches the surface of Orban's natalist polices. Which are beyond what any country has ever done. Experimental in fact. Like, families with four children being (retroactively) exempt from income taxes (even millionaire families). That is sum good social engineering right there. See, you wanna save that money have some kiddos. You wanna get the mos tout of not paying income taxes with your four kiddos become filthy rich. I might be able to afford some kiddos meself if Uncle Sam did not take 50% of my double time hours. ;_;
Rich countries can afford to do things like this.
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Screw that.

Total War Economy and Seize the Means of Reproduction. Every Womb is the property of the State.
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3243259424 said:
Screw that.

Total War Economy and Seize the Means of Reproduction. Every Womb is the property of the State.


That also. Artificial wombs and embryo selection/modification. One does not simply seize obsolete material for the war economy, sir.
Feb 12, 2019 11:20 PM
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While it's not bad to give financial aid to parents of children it's futile as an attempt to increase population. It's smarter to adjust the economy to account for low growth or zero growth.
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Soverign said:
deg said:
good luck with that, its not just japan or hungary having this problem its happening on rich countries in general



They won't need good luck. The article barely even scratches the surface of Orban's natalist polices. Which are beyond what any country has ever done. Experimental in fact. Like, families with four children being (retroactively) exempt from income taxes (even millionaire families). That is sum good social engineering right there. See, you wanna save that money have some kiddos. You wanna get the mos tout of not paying income taxes with your four kiddos become filthy rich. I might be able to afford some kiddos meself if Uncle Sam did not take 50% of my double time hours. ;_;
Rich countries can afford to do things like this.


its more complicated than that though, youth unemployment is high in rich countries and even if a young citizen have a job they say they are usually poor that they cannot afford things (see millenials killing many industries) and also empowering women for the sake of more economic growth is also not helping

also raising a child is more expensive and more time consuming, the global retirement crisis is gonna happen in like 2 decades too so by the time those children become adults and enter the workforce it might be too late
Feb 13, 2019 12:17 PM
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Great plan but, Orban really needs to get of that god awful overtime bill, 400 hours of overtime, that's insane.


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Well the thing is, until it is actually proved working by proper results, it is nothing more than that, experimental.

Many many European countries have tried to counter the natality decline since, for some of them at least, more than one hundred years. Pretty much everything so far was vastly unsuccessful, baring... Increasing the natality of immigrants, that is.
So, can his measure really rise the birthrate while he's blocking immigration at the same time? Doing something is sure better than doing nothing. But at this point, it's nothing more than "trying". GL with it though.



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Great plan but, Orban really needs to get of that god awful overtime bill, 400 hours of overtime, that's insane.
That's needed to keep all the businesses under Orban's party's control profitable. It isn't talked about because no one knows Hungarian but all people who are complaining about it want everything to be privatized.
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That's an impressive collection of bandaids. A $36,000 loan is less than what many people get for post-secondary education.
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If I was Hungarian I'd get out of there asap.
Money's tempting but it should never come before others' ambitions.
Births and dreams tend to not go that well together. But some will be forced to give up their wishes due to financial temptations. Makes me sad to see this in the 21st century. Thought we were beyond this.
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LMAO, again, this inevitable and not enough. the one needs help the most is woman, to fucking orban crony business and loan (really?). what women needs is not lip service, but time and expense covering from rising a child. this agrarian mindset need to go.
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