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Aug 12, 2019 3:02 AM

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Nahh id rather creative freedom and no censorship.
Aug 12, 2019 3:36 AM

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nice try mate but no thank you
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Aug 12, 2019 3:48 AM

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I haven't watched chinese anime but I could see that they might be better than Japan in few years in terms of animation.
China has huge human resources, low cost, and they are mostly loyal to their job. With declining number of animators in Japan, China could do better.

I don't know what kind of theme or story they do in their anime, but I think there hasn't been any of their works that becomes huge or famous internationally. Of course international audience is not essential because China's huge audience, so their animation will keep being produced. Only time will tell how they will develop.
Aug 12, 2019 4:04 AM

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Unless I see a popular and somehow a doable way to learn chinese language, I find it hard to enjoy. Maybe I'm a bit bias here because I'm used to hearing japanese language since dragon ball started airing. China is also big enough to have their own separate region language like hokkien, cantonese etc.
Aug 12, 2019 4:14 AM
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I feel uncomfortable about letting a country that practices extreme forms of censorship get more influence in the anime industry.
Aug 12, 2019 4:20 AM

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Nah, it's not. The recent years have been really good for anime, at least as a consumer, and I can't take you seriously when your whole argument is twisted into 'anime went downhill', together with a complete misrepresentation of a show you dislike (FranXX, I dislike it too, but the eva remark is complete bullshit) and blatant lack of knowledge of the medium.


I'm not buying the whole notion of China's animation outdoing Japan's any time soon, and while I have no doubts that the potential is there, I won't care until they have something to show for it. Something more than the complete GARBAGE king's avatar was. And that seems to be the most popular/praised chinese thing so far.


Also, copious fanservice is only a positive thing and if you're implying chinese won't have it, well, I am not watching their shit.
I'm not even mentioning the very worrying censorship their influence might bring. If you ask me, China can fuck right off.
Aug 12, 2019 5:06 AM

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hotsushikun said:
The future roles of Chinese anime and the declining of Japan's anime industry:


With this, i am hoping if there is going to be a Japan vs China anime debate and a lot of Japanese comments we're surprised on how China's making animation quality much better than Japan are. Even some critics state that China's anime will surpass Japan's anime soon as one YTer Tokyosaurus had said it.

Well I think it will be more like America vs Japan vs China in the future.

Japan however can only stand a chance if they treat their animators like ppl and give them time and wages that are better. In others, be like Kyoani.

And America Anime relies on Netflix surviving the streaming wars.
Aug 12, 2019 1:00 PM

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I don't like the sound of chinese language personally. Too much high pitched and then low pitched in one word. Sounds like aAAaA
Aug 12, 2019 1:08 PM

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No. As an ancient philosopher once said "Better dead than red"
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Aug 12, 2019 1:42 PM
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Hell no to China. Awful language to listen to as well. Japan ftw!
Aug 12, 2019 1:49 PM
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I can't predict what we'll happen but from a personnal point of view I do think Chinese anime can become more and more popular. I've only watch Quan Zhi Gao Shou (The King's Avatar) and Mo Dao Zu Shi (Grandmaster of Demonic Cultivation) and I really liked them. Both of them have good stories and characters and amazing visuals, so much that it put to shame many Japanese animes. If you look at these show, you don't see any flaws on the chara-design (while you can see some even in well-praised shows like Attack on Titan, Violet Evergarden - I'm a great fan of AoT but I can't deny that there are some flaws sometimes if you look at the chara-design). Also, just look at how consistent the characters look. The style is well-detailed. And I'm kinda fed up to see that many of Japanese anime have a simplistic style (I don't like it - example: Liz and the Blue Bird).
I need more shows like this two Chinese animes because it's visually appealing. (That's why I'm also sad that they changed the art style for Quan Zhi Gao Shou Season 2 - I didn't want to watch it because of this change).

But that's not all. For exemple, KyoAni and ufotable provide beautiful visuals but story-wise I wasn't impressed by all their shows.
The story is also important and with Quan Zhi Gao Shou and Mo Dao Zu Shi we get interesting stories and good characters with almost no fan service. Because most of Japanese have ecchi-like fan service (it's even common in shounen type animes and I'm fed up with that). We also get a lot a isekai and harem animes that do not interest me, so with the time I'm watching lesser and lesser animes. (Before I was watching 5 animes per season, now it's no more than one or two if I don't count those I drop).

What I want to say is not that I'm going to give up on Japanese anime because they still have amazing shows like AoT (although it's going to end soon) but if China creates more anime like Mo Dao Zu Shi (for example) I'll definitely try watching it rather than trying to watch a typical shounen, harem, or isekai anime.

Also, people should try before saying things because I was not used to Chinese when I first watch Quan Zhi Gao Shou but having heard some of my friends talking in Chinese I realised that it sounds more natural than Japanese voice acting in animes. Japanese animes do have incredible voice actors and I really admire some of them but sometimes there are characters who have annoying voices, so much that it makes me wanna punch them - mostly female characters, and I haven't seen that in the two Chinese anime I've watched. And I do think that in the two Chinese shows I've watched, the voice actors did a really great job.

Sorry for this long post, I just wanted to share my thoughts.

Short version: I don't think that Japanese animes will fade but I do think that Chinese anime industry can probably grow a lot. People should give it a try before judging.
Aug 12, 2019 2:07 PM

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You come across as a pretentious, snobby asshole. I'll take waifus and light novels over your brand of self-important, uptight bullshit any day of the week. You want to jerk off over Chinese shit then go make your own MAL for that.

And how fucking ignorant can you get. The Chinese communist revolution literally burned books and destroyed an insane amount of old artwork related to ancient China which is now lost because of that evil regime. And you claim Japan is somehow out of touch with it's history because it has incorporated some western culture in to it's entertainment media. What a joke.

Seriously, the sooner your brand of fan with all the judgmental, sex-negative, snobby crap gets more fully recognised for the fundamentally hateful, elitist assholes you really are, the better.

How lacking in self-awareness can you be to complain about waifus and fan service on the one hand, then quote Monogatari as a shining example of some dumbfuck definition of quality. I'm sorry to break it you, but all the pretentious made-up nonsense about Monogatari's highly sexual focus being some kind of deep metaphor is mostly bullshit. 99% of the time, Monogatari uses sexuality as an asthetic and nothing more. And that's fine. There is real artistic value is creating truly good fan service and incorporting it skilfully in to a story.

I'd even go as far to agree with you that anime is too comercialized these days and a certian level of artistry is dying out. But when you bring up waifu culture and fan service and light novel adaptations as the problem, you come off as all the stuff I said earlier in this comment. For fucks sake dude, Monogatari came from a light novel, waifu culture is just people celebrating female characters they like, and fan service can be good or bad depending on how it is done.

But the real problem with your dribble of an OP is how you seem to think China of all places - fucking China is going to improve anime. Yeah, I'm sure when anime is made within the extreme limits imposed on creative works within their borders, the level of artistic and creative quality will definitely increase. We all know how art thrives under paranoid, control-freak disctatorships, right? Fucking right?
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Aug 12, 2019 2:30 PM

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No, they eat cats and make bad cartoons.

I don't know about you guys but these are heavy offenses in MY book.



Aug 12, 2019 5:15 PM

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No. I enjoy some Chinese anime like Mo Dao Zu Shi and Kings Avatar and I also enjoy some Chinese manhua but Japan is still better overall. Some manhua has great potential like MWIADQ but they add light ntr( heavy offense to me) and it ended up trigger me. Japanese authors is still superior than Chinese manhua author overall.

Do keep in mind this coming from someone like me who has Chinese anime and manhua in my favorite but even I acknowledge Japanese anime and manga still superior overall.
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Aug 12, 2019 5:24 PM
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no japan most anime in world chinese no preparated industry anime
Aug 12, 2019 11:09 PM

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I watched Cupid's Chocolates which was a pretty good overall anime so I might be interested in some other Chinese animes.

I don't know if China's anime industry will ever be better than Japan's though because China's government is into major censorship of media. It would be difficult to create good ecchi that would make it past the censors and it would be difficult to create anything that challenges ideas the ruling government supports. If the government decides to, they might just take over the industry themselves and start forcing anime creators to put propaganda into their shows.

In general, Chinese writers will never have the freedom that Japanese writers do which will hurt their ability to compete.
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Aug 12, 2019 11:11 PM

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Maybe when china isn't full of crazy people.

Aug 12, 2019 11:19 PM

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If you're exciting about the "possible" new contents, respective in animation medium, do not set your expectations too high. From what I read (MAnhwa,...), the story is either some school kids with superhuman strenghth or some isekai borrowed from the myth. The only different if you wanna see is some cultural differences.

And for China, they will animate their drama historical series. Nothing new about that/.
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Aug 12, 2019 11:43 PM

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So much bullshit and racism in these comments from weebs who can't speak/read either Japanese or Chinese at a competent level. If you're going to tout one language as superior over another or whatever, you better know how to use both. LMAO 傻逼

Also, misconceptions about China are rampant, but I digress since this happens everywhere you go on English-centered sites, especially one filled with braindead weebs like MAL.

日本語も中国語も全く分からないくせに、よく言うものな。
Aug 13, 2019 1:20 AM

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johnbradshaw said:
If you're exciting about the "possible" new contents, respective in animation medium, do not set your expectations too high. From what I read (MAnhwa,...), the story is either some school kids with superhuman strenghth or some isekai borrowed from the myth. The only different if you wanna see is some cultural differences.

And for China, they will animate their drama historical series. Nothing new about that/.


Recommend me some good isekai manhua please.
Aug 13, 2019 2:04 AM

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No, Chinese is an extremely ugly language.
Aug 13, 2019 4:16 AM

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Go to China, consume some of their locally produced media, and get back to us on how that went.
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Aug 13, 2019 4:23 AM

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This is the most elitist thread I have ever read. Moving on.
Aug 13, 2019 4:58 AM

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IndianAnimeReker said:
This is the most elitist thread I have ever read. Moving on.


Here is your (you) in quote form. Enjoy it!
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Aug 13, 2019 5:05 AM
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No, its time to embrace both Japan and China
Sep 17, 2019 12:03 AM

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Due to a large number of citizens, China has its own anime industry but they forget...
You can't have a good anime industry without a proper standardized culture.

Naming/calling of each other, ways of communication in daily lives, how to live basic daily lives in school and workplace, ethics in the daily treatment of people and strangers, improvement of food culture and food safety, etc...

Due to high housing costs, most Chineses are busy/struggling to make money, not many people/writers are shaping their culture, lack of good books and movies as references to shape minds of the people - what to do, what not to do, what's ethical, what's not...

Too many daily liars and conpeople, turning off own citizens and tourists.
Sep 17, 2019 12:14 AM

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So your saying anime will continue evolving from being a Japanese monopoly to adopted by the Chinese entertainment industry perhaps later in america as well.
Sep 17, 2019 1:22 AM

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So your saying anime will continue evolving from being a Japanese monopoly to adopted by the Chinese entertainment industry perhaps later in america as well.

And since "anime" said by a person who is not from Japan means "japanese animation" this monopoly is by definition. It's not some sort of standard or set in stone rules, just specific traditions...which change.
Animation from some other country can take stylistic choices, storytelling techniques and themes but it wouldn't be an anime.

This trend to call anything from the west that vaguely resembles japanese title an anime is stupid.
Castelvania, RWBY and Avatar are the worst offenders.
People will watch them for their own qualities not because of how they are tagged.


The anime itself is highly influenced by non-japanese media - cultural exchange is a good thing. Nobody is stopping the chinese to make whatever animation projects they want and like.
Sep 17, 2019 1:36 AM

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The only RIGHT way of replying to a CNese proselytist and their social evangelism:

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Sep 17, 2019 3:55 AM

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No country censoring School Days can lead the way in animation. They censor (soft) porn, anything with demons, and of course anything dystopies / political statements. Worse than Disney.

Check out that list, says all.
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2015-06-09/china-blacklists-attack-on-titan-death-note-36-more-anime-manga/.89055

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