| I don't get this concept either, if you already know that this series isn't for you, then why you not only bother to continue but also try to ruin it for the people who enjoyed? I drop them when is obvious than is not my thing. |
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| I think this is one for our resident femnazi. I stay away if I don't like it. Only morons complain, it's like watching porn and complaining there's nudity on show. I can understand if it's like MIA where it seems like a kids show but suddenly gets dark but not with 99% of complaints. |
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| People need to go out of their comfort zones to grow. However, people doing it for the sole purpose of wanting to outrage is obviously wrong, but they're in a vocal minority so i don't think it matters at all. Personally, the only time i get offended is by having anime essentially break the 4th wall and exposit to the audience. |
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| I think exploring other genres is fine. You might unexpectedly like something. Complain about the show if you hate it but don't compare it with shows from other genres. That makes no sense. Judge it on its own merits. Obviously people shouldn't go into a show expecting to hate it. Thats just wrong |
FireballKnuckleOct 22, 2018 7:42 AM
TenjouinGX said: That's why i typed the rest of that post.Lunilah said: People need to go out of their comfort zones to grow. That is so, but I more so had in mind the type of people who will only go into a show with a predisposed negative outlook ready to watch just so they could poke fun and hate on something which is not intended to be takes seriously, or doesn't correspond with their expectations. |
I don't believe in the Devil. You should. He believes in you. |
| I like Goblin Slayer and I still complain about the heavy handed and immature way it deals with rape. I am sure most people complaining about it do not mind rape in fiction nor violence, but rather the cheap way it is often used — which, btw, is a problem older than memory in the fantasy genre and it's unlikely to vanish anytime soon — and Goblin Slayer is another great example of that. And of course there's a problem when people criticise shows for what they are, like dissing a slice of life for being slow. The thing is, rape is not an integral element for the growth and development of characters and plot in Goblin Slayer. It's just used as a cheap way of provoking shock, and borderline fanservice for the more demented minds. So yeah, I believe people have all the right of criticising Goblin Slayer, even if it wasn't their cup of tea from the start. |
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Invidioso said: Great, another thread ralated to goblin slayers */* I think that show was only included because Its the latest example of this happening but Its not the only one it has hapened with. OT: I haven't done that because I like almost every genre (Some more than others). What I like to do is Take people like down down of their pedestal which leads to me being baited... |
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TenjouinGX said: Great, the more the merrier! Just don't start a shitstorm here, this is a serious top... Afloo said: I think that show was only included because Its the latest example of this happening but Its not the only one it has hapened with. Yes, exactly. This thread is not limited to GS, it has all gory anime with violence, like Elfen Lied, Gantz, Mirai Nikki, Deadman Wondrland, Re;Zero, Akame ga Kill etc, in mind. tbh you could make your point the other way around as well I don't feel the need to since I pretty much enjoy every genre but I do know people who go out of their cup of tea to know what people are talking about mostly |
| You can go a little off, but not smth extreme cause they will just end hating it If someone really wants to have a bigger comfort bubble, they should go little by little... |
| I don't think just a certain group of people who were whining about "show that'll not be named". Honestly think it's a mostly younger and general audience that is usually offended by these type of things, anime be damned. Because they're taught that media has to be "healthy" or it'll effect people. They're not entirely wrong but most weebs know that people who know right from wrong and have a brain wave aren't going to imitate shit from a damn anime. |
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| I say its good to choose another genre and grow your taste into different things, but that doesn't mean to go to the most hardcore thing in the genre (in this case Gore from Berserk or Goblin Slayer) You have to be "Ready" to watch certain shows, like in the case of Evangelion or Berserk. A friend of mine tends to choose a show according to his actual mood, so he wouldn't watch something he knows he might not enjoy right now. As an Example, I'm not that much into sports so I skip seasonal sports anime, however, I ended up liking some of those I watched. Now, its different if I think the anime is doing something wrong (like Goblin Slayer for example) and just because I complain about a thing it does wrong doesn't entirely mean I hate it or something. I know there are people that will live up to hate something just because it offended them, but that's different. I actually had to drop Made in Abyss manga for several reasons before I started to hate it. |
| "We could make the world better, but it's easier to just shut our eyes." ~Blackwall |
| i think complaining about a show while still watching it just for the Art of Bitching is dumb and doesn't really make any sense, but watching a show and CRITICIZING it is different and i tend to think a lot of people get defensive when they hear/read criticism regarding a piece of work they enjoy, so it's harder to spot the difference for them. i don't think discussing for instance the use of heavy-handed gore, violence, rape etc is necessarily complaining about a show or trying to ruin it for everyone else. even if you like it you should discuss it and criticize it, otherwise you're just alienating yourself with your affection |
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| ps: 5 years of film school, 5 years discussing this. we NEVER got into an agreement on this matter lmao it's what makes the matter even more exciting imo |
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| Why would you find an anime offensive? It's a damned cartoon created by a bunch of xenophobes that lived in complete isolation for hundreds of years. If anything going in not expecting for some mischaracterization of foreigners or anything that immediately contradicts traditional Japanese values is quite silly. |
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| If I'm given the opportunity to shit on harems and some of the people who like them, I'll take it almost every single time. Fuck harems. |
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| Do you feel the need to formulate your question in a way that any answer I provide is rethorical and proves your point? Because you do anyway. Same for people who are offended by anime, they don't feel the need to, they just do. |
| Nice, another thread where people find reasons to brush off and ignore any kind of criticism directed at shows they like. Of course those shows are flawless and it's just evil conspiratory anime fans being unfair to them. Whatever you people need to sleep at night, tho I don't really get why you need to make such a non-discussion thread that just inherently treats any criticism of certain shows as dishonest and biased. Are there really people out there who think that shows like Akame ga Kill or Mirai Nikki get criticized because they're violent? How delusional can you get? Did they ever bother to read any criticism about them? Can they tell the difference between criticizing violence and criticzing how shittily a show uses violence for its storytelling? There are PLENTY of gory and violent franchises that are well-received out there. Maybe it is time to consider, just for a brief moment, that people actually have deeper-seated issues with those anime than simply the presence of violence. Like, idk, shitty characters and horrible writing and using violence without a purpose, just for the sake of it, and predictably too. That is not to say the people OP talks about don't exist. But you gotta love how immediately any kind of favorite show that has to deal with criticism gets thrown in the mix. And in general I'm always skeptical of people whose first instinct, when faced with criticism, is not to debunk it with actual arguments in a discussion but instead making a thread trying to get a lot of +1 posts from random people for some way of undemrining the credibility of ANY criticism targeted at their favorites. Who needs arguments and a discussion when you can just go behind their backs and make up your mind that any criticism is just a result of a character flaw on their side, since your precious favorites are flawless and immune to criticism? The truth is usually in the middle and defensive fanboys like OP are about as 'fair' to shows and their criticism as the people they describe are. Also had to lol @ 'not having seen hate for moe anime'. That's because you haven't looked. Obviously you will see more hate for your favorites since you pay more attention to them. And granted, there might be less specific criticism of individual moe shows, but the genre as a whole gets a shitton of flak. Way more than your violent titles. How often do you see threads proclaiming that anime has declined and every season is just full of violent anime these days? Never. But it happens a LOT with moe. Multiple times every single season since, well, forever almost. And that shows you that people really just mindless hate on the genre, no matter how good or bad the individual show is and usually without even watching them at all. Unlike your examples, where people actually criticize an individual show they watched for stuff they didn't like in it. In comparions, that's pretty fair. You don't really know how it is to be a fan of a genre that is collectively shit on for no reason by so many people. You only know how it is to be fan of a type of show that spawned a bunch of mediocre-at-best shows that get criticized for being pretty bad because of their individual (de)merits, while other shows with similar elements get extremely well received. So sorry, but no pity for you from me. Most genres have to deal with much more generalized and unfair prejudices. |
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FacelessVixen said: If I'm given the opportunity to shit on harems and some of the people who like them, I'll take it almost every single time. Fuck harems. What's wrong with a good Harem? It's a fantasy for most guys. |
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Y-White said: FacelessVixen said: If I'm given the opportunity to shit on harems and some of the people who like them, I'll take it almost every single time. Fuck harems. What's wrong with a good Harem? It's a fantasy for most guys. Aside from me being monogamous and not having that multi-girl fantasy after being disillusioned to relationships and women, I also want to claim "fuck harems" as a Google search result. I'm almost there. |
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TenjouinGX said: What do you think, should people just stay in their preferred genres instead of branching off on crusades expecting the same out of shows which are not intended for them? Then do they have the right to complain for something which is obviously not intended for their target demographic and is entirely their fault they got into it in the first place? I won't say they should just get stuck up on their preferred genres because each person wants to discover new things but it's more on they should know "things that they don't like in first look" first before getting started. If they don't generally like dark stuff such as rape, any intelligent person should avoid that series beforehand after learning it. Pretty sure, in Goblin Slayer's case rape was already mentioned quite a lot before it's aired. |
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TenjouinGX said: If you dislike gore/rape why watch it just so you could play the victim I like the way u said "dislike rape". I get your point though but i guess people wouldn't complaint about something they don't like so much if it weren't for cancerous fanbases that think their favorite anime/manga is "objectively" the best |
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| The big irony is, everyday we have a new thread complaining about people who complain about Goblin Slayer, while I've seen just a few threads created to actually complain about it. I guess this shows who's actually offended and can't move on. |
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| Generally, if there's an Anime out there that looks like I would be offended by it, I simply won't watch it. There are cases however, where I thought there was nothing offensive in a certain Anime, for example, "Made in Abyss," and while watching it, I encountered an episode that almost made me drop it due to how incredibly disturbing it was. The only reason I finished it, is because there was only 3 episodes left to it. I never read the Manga, so I didn't really know what to expect, but many Anime will tone down things from the Manga. I was going to avoid watching it altogether when I saw the "seinen" tag, but it looked so innocent, so I gave it a chance. I partially regret watching it. I'm not certain if I'll watch the 2nd season when it comes out. |
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| Maybe you should stop pretending that people just criticize these shows because they don't like the genre or stuff like that. Maybe they have actual problems with these shows in particular and just want to voice them. |
| Wait, people can't be offended by Takamura in Hajime no Ippo for being such an asshole but the characters in the anime can? OP, all I get from this topic is, "I don't like the volume of hate my favorite anime is getting, can you all lay off?". More often than not, I find that this is usually the root cause of these type of topics, especially if the person who had a dissenting opinion happens to be a person of import whose opinion apparently carries weight (like a critic). Don't ask the world for the impossible. YOU move on. Just look at SAO, Black Clover, Ballroom e Youkoso, Flowers of Evil, Evangelion... the list of criticized anime goes on. |
TenjouinGX said: I put GS just as an example, right next to a much more offensive and gory series (Berserk), and still all most got from this thread was "Stop hating on GS", lmao. Berserk actually has a compelling story and characters, so that all the violence and despair seems to be there for a reason. GS doesn't have that, it's just a mindless action manga not worried about plot or character, the latter being evident when the elf mentions she is 2000yo and yet acts like a teenage girl, so people are more likely to take instances where something as rape is used only for shock without plot or character relevance with a grain of salt. So yeah, the problem is that from the beginning you misunderstand both the reason as to why people like Berserk, and to why people dislike GS. Your comparison was dumb. |
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| Most of the anime that ends up offending me (Steins;Gate, Elfen Lied, Narutaru, Seven Deadly Sins) are still enjoyable enough for me to go through with finishing it, and are never really something that I'd go out of my way to tell people about it. |
| It isn't an issue to get offended or bothered by something in the slightest, and criticism isn't necessarily reflecting taking offense at something. "How dare a show portray these things!" is an entirely different beast from "This show portrayed these things poorly!" and that should definitely not be forgotten anytime soon - and "How dare a show portray these things!" is an entirely different beast from "Things must be portrayed like this to be acceptable!" or "These things should not be allowed to be displayed!" in a context-dependant way at that. So yeah, somebody being offended can be safely ignored for the most part. I might silently think to myself that they're a pussy depending on the circumstances, but I'm generally fine with it enough to treat merely taking offense with passivity, without a second look. The only time I think it even becomes an issue is when people begin pushing for restrictions or limiting what's allowed to be shown within something, based on that they find it offensive. That's pushing things too far and I tend to draw a line there. Be disgusted, annoyed, offended, whatever though. That's not an issue in of itself, it's more how it extends outwardly from there that becomes the issue. |
ManabanOct 22, 2018 9:47 AM
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| Woah! It's really a wonder feminist-chan hasn't reacted to this thread already. |
| The beauty of humans is that they say one thing then do another, but at the same time that can also be their ugliest side. |
Striker-3649 said: Seiya said: pardon me but based on your recent activities on forums, you dont sound like a 28 years old lol.Generally, if there's an Anime out there that looks like I would be offended by it, I simply won't watch it. There are cases however, where I thought there was nothing offensive in a certain Anime, for example, "Made in Abyss," and while watching it, I encountered an episode that almost made me drop it due to how incredibly disturbing it was. The only reason I finished it, is because there was only 3 episodes left to it. I never read the Manga, so I didn't really know what to expect, but many Anime will tone down things from the Manga. I was going to avoid watching it altogether when I saw the "seinen" tag, but it looked so innocent, so I gave it a chance. I partially regret watching it. I'm not certain if I'll watch the 2nd season when it comes out. Actually, I'm 30, and I'm not sure of what you're talking about. |
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| Nope, it makes no sense getting offended by anime. |
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Striker-3649 said: Seiya said: i mean the way adward elric's metal arc freaks you out etc is really something else, you are way too light hearted for the lack of words.Actually, I'm 30, and I'm not sure of what you're talking about. I'm not a fan of most modern Anime, and I hate the character designs. Do you have a problem with that? |
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