| as a person who is always infatuated in fascinated with the way a criminal or villains mind works, I love coming across anime that have villains who on the surface are doing everything wrong but if you peel back the death and destruction in their wake you'll see that they are in fact looking to help the world, they just are doing it in the most ass backwards way possible. It's an intriguing thing to me bc with their "superior" knowledge they always seem to arrive to the same conclusion, "Kill a few to save millions". 2 Main examples for me would be Koko Hekmatyar and Shougo Makishima. Koko is an arms dealer, who sometime during her young age she realizes that with her insane amount of wealth, connections that can outreach and rival any top government agency, and strong intuition and wit she realizes that if she were put all this together she could come up with a plan that in the beginning would cause death and panic but in the long run she could "end all the wars and bring about peace" doing this of course would just make her a devil sitting on a Gods throne. Next is Shougo, A very intelligent and charismatic man who enjoys cruelty, savagery, and all the worst aspects of human nature. Shougo eventually uncovers the truth about the Sybil sytstem and devises a scheme to bring down the big brother-esq system but in the way he does it is just all wrong. (another interesting thing about Shougo is he reminds me of a bit of The Joker in the sense that he can cause a person, in this case Shinya Kougami to lose his insanity and become consumed with doing whatever it takes to catch or bring him down, interesting how a villain can turn a hero to a villain but rarely will a hero turn a villain into a hero) despite this I found myself sort of rooting for both these characters and always wishing they could have found a different way to go about their plans instead of causing so much death, chaos, savagery and destruction. Do any of you ever feel this way about a villainous character who has good intentions but their actions would lead you to believe otherwise? If so, who? |
| You have good intentions with this post but bad execution because of how long it is |
justcaolan said: Are you incapable of reading anything that is longer than a few sentences? You have good intentions with this post but bad execution because of how long it is |
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NickDen said: justcaolan said: Are you incapable of reading anything that is longer than a few sentences? You have good intentions with this post but bad execution because of how long it is Yeah, actually I'm blind and I don't appreciate you bringing it up |
justcaolan said: You have good intentions with this post but bad execution because of how long it is lul yea. I've seen longer, I didn't mean to write a long fuckin book. I was just trying to create a different post from the standard "list" posts or the ones that pop up every other day just worded differently. |
justcaolan said: Ah, how insensitive of me, very sorry to hear that.NickDen said: Are you incapable of reading anything that is longer than a few sentences? Yeah, actually I'm blind and I don't appreciate you bringing it up |
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| First person that came to mind is Madara Uchiha. |
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| I'd go with Light Yagami, although whether or not he's a villain character is up for debate. He wants to rid the world of evil but ironically in the process becomes pretty evil himself, gleefully killing off innocent people left and right who threaten his goal. |
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| Wouldn't the quicker phrase be "anti-villain"? As for anti-villains, they're a hit or miss for me. There are some that I find tasteful while there are some who get on my last nerves since they end up taking bad actions when there was a simpler and more moral alternative. I'm more interested the villains who are more dogmatic. The ones whose cognitions are so warped they believe that the bad things they do are justified or healthy (kinda like Accelerator from Magical Index or Envy from FMAB). |
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CHAMPIONOFDEATH said: First person that came to mind is Madara Uchiha. care to elaborate why or what he does that on the surface is viewed as evil or villainous but underneath it he's just trying to bring to light something better? if you like, and idc about spoilers as i'll probably never watch naruto. I'm always interested on how or why people at times root for the evil ones hoping they realize what they're trying to do. |
| The blond dude from Fist of the North Star had good intentions, but not a good execution of them though. |
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justcaolan said: NickDen said: Are you incapable of reading anything that is longer than a few sentences? Yeah, actually I'm blind and I don't appreciate you bringing it up next time I'll try to put this in braille for you bro sorry about the inconsideration :( |
NickDen said: I'd go with Light Yagami, although whether or not he's a villain character is up for debate. He wants to rid the world of evil but ironically in the process becomes pretty evil himself, gleefully killing off innocent people left and right who threaten his goal. I like the classic transition from good to evil of people who are given god like powers in a real world setting. This is a bit different as my question is about characters who are already evil or viewed as such but either have or later develop an idea to somehow better the world or society with the only skill, resources, and knowledge they have. pretty much the whole Kill 1 to save 1,000 idea. |
CHLO_JO007 said: Wouldn't the quicker phrase be "anti-villain"? As for anti-villains not really as an "anti-villlain" is more someone who is in the gray. they aren't good or bad. mine is more about the people who are already bad, that's why I listed Shougo Makashima. He is definitely not anti villain, i'll admit tho Koko might be more an anti villain but to me, an arms dealer who kills for their own personal gain is more a villain than hero in my eyes |
This the main reason I think Hebi the best villain Ive ever seen.  His intentions are always for the greater good of his own people but not the world itself The fact he is a God and in fact the God of Creation, Desires and Forgiveness makes his character even more compelling as even if his own people desires things that will cause harm to the world he will put their current needs ahead of all else as all unforgivable actions one can take he will forgive with no hesitation I would like to quote what he said as his final words to Yuji after leaving him and knowing Yuji wanted to punish himself for all the actions he did in order to protect those he loved and changing the statuesque of the world that had been locked in war for thousands of years as it shows what kind of character he is when it comes to his villainly intentions  ”Sakai Yuji. Im fond of your strong philosophy and support it, as well. But in the end, you know what sort of God I am. So I will permit your actions since I approve of desires. Even if no else approves of them I will.” |
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| Meruem ? I mean.. well.. that kinda depends on pov ? also that villan from jojo pt 7 forgot his name |
9mm_Revy said: CHAMPIONOFDEATH said: First person that came to mind is Madara Uchiha. care to elaborate why or what he does that on the surface is viewed as evil or villainous but underneath it he's just trying to bring to light something better? if you like, and idc about spoilers as i'll probably never watch naruto. I'm always interested on how or why people at times root for the evil ones hoping they realize what they're trying to do. Madara's end goal was true peace through the Infinite Tsukuyomi. It would stop all conflict throughout the world, but at the same time, it would rob everyone in the world of their own free will by putting them in an infinite dream. Madara wasn't afraid to kill or use anyone in order to achieve his goal of peace. Which makes him a villain with good intentions. |
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| 1-Light Yagami 2-Madara Uchiha I don't think Makishima Shougo wants better of humanity. He just wanted people to act as what they feel. But that guy gave the chills. |
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| GRIFITH DID NOTHING WRONG... Yeah, I always like "the end justify the means" kind of characters, most of the time they are a bit deeper that most characters and more complex. The already named a few so another one that I may name is Lelouch, he killed innocent people too and forced people to do things against their will. And Sion from densetsu no yuusha, at least from what I got from the anime, I didn't read the LN. |
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| Does Vaccine Man from OPM count? He wanted to kill every Human for the sake of Earth and other Animals and save the Environment as far as I remember. |
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| 1. Manaka Kisaragi (kinda......? "The Kill a few to save millions" mindset doesn't really apply to her, though.) 2. Ryou from Devilman 3. Vanessa & Barry B. Benson from Bee Movie. Funnily enough, I think that L actually fits your description a lot better than Light. He is not a villain, obviously, but he certainly doesn't mind getting his hands dirty a little for the sake of convicting Kira eventually. He does a lot of questionable stuff in the long run without even batting an eyelid, and he's also always been this way mainly due to his upbringing and the way that he usually conducts himself. He only sees the grand scheme of things when it comes down to ethics, at least most of the time. I know he's not the character type you're asking for, but I found it interesting how many people immediately thought of Light Yagami, while L was the first person that I felt reminded of. |
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| +1 for Madara Also Gilgamesh comes to mind in F/SN, he wanted to save humanity from its own evil and corruption, but his plan involved wiping out a large portion of the world's population. |
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Erotama_NKO said: Does Vaccine Man from OPM count? He wanted to kill every Human for the sake of Earth and other Animals and save the Environment as far as I remember. yes that counts. There might be a movie or something but this sounds familiar. When someone who cares so much for the world they would kill all humans who inhabit it bc in their eyes it's the human races fault for destroying so much of what he loves, but tbh if it is a movie or show i'm thinking of then I think that person used this "reason" to justify what he was doing. of course this was more of an excuse than anything. |
-Mahesvara said: +1 for Madara Also Gilgamesh comes to mind in F/SN, he wanted to save humanity from its own evil and corruption, but his plan involved wiping out a large portion of the world's population. Sounds a lot like Koko from Jormungand. I won't try and spoil much more of that show but if you haven't watched it, I recommend maybe checking it out if you like or can. |
9mm_Revy said: Do any of you ever feel this way about a villainous character who has good intentions but their actions would lead you to believe otherwise? If so, who? 1. Sinbad - Magi 2. Madara Uchiha - Naruto 3. Light Yagami - Death Note 4. Archer (he's not a villain but still) - Fate UBW 5. The king (technically not a villain) from Seirei no Moribito |
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Johan_Liebert_ said: 9mm_Revy said: Do any of you ever feel this way about a villainous character who has good intentions but their actions would lead you to believe otherwise? If so, who? 1. Sinbad - Magi 2. Madara Uchiha - Naruto 3. Light Yagami - Death Note 4. Archer (he's not a villain but still) - Fate UBW 5. The king (technically not a villain) from Seirei no Moribito Bruh wouldn't Johan also be one? I've not seen Monster yet but my jack ass friends kind of spoiled it and it they way they put it it seems they subconsciously root or wish better for him? I may be wrong tho. Isn't he the classice "is evil born or made"? |
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| Can we all agree that we as a human being are itself the villain for lewding platelets-chan? |
9mm_Revy said: Johan_Liebert_ said: 1. Sinbad - Magi 2. Madara Uchiha - Naruto 3. Light Yagami - Death Note 4. Archer (he's not a villain but still) - Fate UBW 5. The king (technically not a villain) from Seirei no Moribito Bruh wouldn't Johan also be one? I've not seen Monster yet but my jack ass friends kind of spoiled it and it they way they put it it seems they subconsciously root or wish better for him? I may be wrong tho. Isn't he the classice "is evil born or made"? Well, Johan's intentions weren't good. He wanted Kenzou Tenma to see the true desperation, the hell in life. |
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PentagramShogoki said: 9mm_Revy said: Bruh wouldn't Johan also be one? I've not seen Monster yet but my jack ass friends kind of spoiled it and it they way they put it it seems they subconsciously root or wish better for him? I may be wrong tho. Isn't he the classice "is evil born or made"? Well, Johan's intentions weren't good. He wanted Kenzou Tenma to see the true desperation, the hell in life. it was probably the way they worded it, but it did lead me to see him under that light, either way I should watch that damn show soon smh |
9mm_Revy said: PentagramShogoki said: Well, Johan's intentions weren't good. He wanted Kenzou Tenma to see the true desperation, the hell in life. it was probably the way they worded it, but it did lead me to see him under that light, either way I should watch that damn show soon smh You will enjoy Monster, is great. Johan is different of Light. He had good intentions (except the part of becoming a God). Not Johan, he was pure evil. I love that mf, though. |
| Not really an anime character but one from a videogame: Artorius from Tales of Berseria (he did a small appearence in the Zestiria anime in a flashback, however). |
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| Dessler - Yamato 2199 he wants to unify the universe but he goes about it with a iron fist. He always talks about kyuusei (salvation). |
zieek said: I will think of some and get back to you. lol yea man, I honestly was trying to think of more but I don't know of the others I'm thinkin of are what I was asking or if they're more of an anti-villain or anti-hero. |
Illyricus said: Not really an anime character but one from a videogame: Artorius from Tales of Berseria (he did a small appearence in the Zestiria anime in a flashback, however). I bought this game about 2 weeks ago and am really enjoying it. I know this is a bit of topic but I think that Kill La Kill game should have been made into a game like this and not really that 3D fighter, but that's just me. |
Villains with good intentions but bad executions. are not villains they are antagonists. a villain has no good motive. for example DIO Brando is a villain char aznable is an antagonist. he just wanted to see freedom for the spacenoids, but his vision got corrupted along the way. (for the record i still dislike char. hes a pedo) light from death note is called a villian protagonist. while L is called a heroic antagonist. so for examples of antagonists i like. Fate from nanoha season 1. the knights from nanoha season 2 from index and railgun. a large chunk of the cast Kiyama Harumi Aureolus Izzard, Kaori Kanzaki, Stiyl Magnus. Awaki Musujime Accelerator his motive is actually not villainous. the show makes him look like a villain but in the end he was an antagonist with a motive that wasn't exactly villainous. Roberta from black lagoon possibility one of the few non villainous characters while still being an antagonist. |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus  |
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| I don't see the bad execution part from your examples. So I can't answer your question since I don;t think I get what you mean Am I alone here? |
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| Almost all Naruto Shippuden villain cast. +1 Madara Uchiha Obito Uchiha Pain All the three above wanted to create a world without sorrow but their ways went wrong. Also, Emiya Kritsugu from fate zero. |
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| char from msg, at least in the beginning |
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| Definitely Madara. To be honest, when I was reading about his plan, I thought it was a pretty good idea. Other circumstances caused it to go awry in the end, but on the surface, he probably wasn't wrong. But yeah, like others mentioned, a lot of Naruto villains fit this thread. |
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CrimsonResonance said: Stain/Dabi: wants hero society to make a return to form to the good old days, where heroes were motivated by doing what's right first and foremost, rather than securing more clout I kind of get where you're standing on this but I also implore that neither of those characters see themselves as heroes. As far as Stain stands, his methods actually worked to reduce crime and cause change. And they're mostly combating the fact that the mass or better yet publicised society puts heroes on a pedestal that emphasizes their selfish celebrity status rather than heroes for the people because heroes don't save the villains before they go bad, which is essentially how the cycle starts; this is a great case to be cynical of the society that wronged you and blame the heroes that were suppose to save you, Kouta is also a great non-villan example of this issue. |
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NickDen said: justcaolan said: Are you incapable of reading anything that is longer than a few sentences? You have good intentions with this post but bad execution because of how long it is Well, I'd imagine it would help if it wasn't a block of text. Break something into paragraphs and it becomes easier to read. OT: I think he's more of an anti-hero than a villain, but Kiritsugu from Fate/Zero. He definitely went about his "ways" in the most brutal ways possible, but it was all to "save the world". One of my overall favorite characters to this day. |
| Also.. I think this thread might be the only time I've ever seen someone mention Jorumangand, despite having a pretty high watched number. Been ages since I've seen it, might consider a re-watch soon. |
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