| Oh my God OP what did you just did. I mean youre right but Jesus damn.  |
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| The bait is too strong in this one. This video doesn't even tell us who the characters themselves are. Anyone watching the series from the start would already have an idea of who is who. I don't know which anime this is in the first place, forget enjoying a random 1 min video of a cutscene from some anime xD. |
KreatorXAug 21, 2018 7:50 AM
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| Moe to trolley real quick. I watched hellsing in dub and I gave it 9. |
MoeAnimeFan said: KreatorX said: The bait is too strong in this one. This video doesn't even tell us who the characters themselves are. Anyone watching the series from the start would already have an ideo of who is who. I don't know which anime this is in the first place. You miss a good Anime named Tokyo Ravens, you better watch it now. Thanks for the heads up. Will check it out. However my point was that, if I was already watching that show, I would have known who was who. The dub vs sub would have made no difference in that scene in particular, given the context. |
| Truly a Divine Comedy |
 This bait is definitely excellent. |
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| The voice acting for both is pretty great, where is the loss exactly? |
MoeAnimeFan said: jal90 said: The voice acting for both is pretty great, where is the loss exactly? Did you even heard why they said? Or maybe you don't understand Japanese language. I don't understand Japanese language, I know that they are saying different stuff. Dubbing and translation are completely different processes. If you want to make a point about English dubs being worse than original dubs picking the script as a comparison is quite wrong. |
| The bait on this site got even worse..... |
MoeAnimeFan said: This is not just about who is who but also even change the story, Suzuka is a tsundere type girl but making her say "why was not it me" on someone's died scene are changing her personality into something else. Look, I get the angle you are coming from. You like subs, that is a good thing that you are able to enjoy something. However, your criteria for choosing between the two is way off the mark. You are telling me she is supposedly a tsundere character. Understood, with that information in hand, her saying 'why was not it me' doesn't change the fact that she is still a tsundere. This can't even be classified as a change in story. :D edit : grammar. |
| Truly a Divine Comedy |
MoeAnimeFan said: hazecloud said: Moe to trolley real quick. I watched hellsing in dub and I gave it 9. Maybe because you haven't see the original Anime yet, Or maybe you haven't seen the Hellsing dub yet. MoeAnimeFan said: so far almost all dubbed Anime I see never get a word like "oniichan" right and have to translate it into something else or to just the person's name which literaly make the story out of focus. I agree, as opposed to when the Japanese try to speak English, which isn't jarring at all. |
kingcity20 said: Oh for the love of -_- nvm gotta love MAL |
jal90 said: Right.I know that they are saying different stuff. Dubbing and translation are completely different processes. Wait a second... If you want to make a point about English dubs being worse than original dubs picking the script as a comparison is quite wrong. ...What? I thought you're the type that thinks before they write. The revoicing process does not necessarily include 'the script must be changed' in its definition. A change in script means a deviation from what was meant to be portrayed, that will always happen to a degree in translation, that doesn't suddenly mean that any type of loss in translation is ok. The moment there's a change in how the characters are perceived despite the original writing being spot-on in it's explanation, then there's something wrong going on. Even if revoicing (or dubbing, as we all love to call it) really did have that as part of its process, it wouldn't make any of this better, you're just proving that revoicing is inferior. |
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MoeAnimeFan said: A character personality are also represented by their words, and the dub did change the story because no one knows why she cried. I am not disagreeing with you. But explain to me how she stopped being a tsundere with just those words. Also as a viewer, I doubt you were unaware that person was the brother even if you watched it in dubs. I highly suspect that the rest of the characters have no clue as to why she cried but I will go with what you said, as I haven't watched it yet. I am simply smelling sub-elitism here, nothing more than that :D Especially when you write stuff like ' English dubbed Anime fans will never able to fully enjoy Anime'. You don't even know when I choose to watch an anime between dub or sub. For me it has always been the timbre of the voice. If I like the sound of the voice actors, I will stick with that. I've rewatched plenty of shows in both dub and sub, neither of them had any impact on the story nor personalities for me. Sure, there were some cases where I felt the script of the sub was better, at times I felt the script of the dub was better than the sub. Yet I have been able to 'fully' enjoy anime regardless. |
KreatorXAug 21, 2018 8:25 AM
| Truly a Divine Comedy |
| Bad video for proofing your theory OP... and if you consider this less enjoyment then subs also have mistakes and you never fully enjoy an anime if you can't understand/speak Japanese |
MoeAnimeFan said: mhkr said: Bad video for proofing your theory OP... and if you consider this less enjoyment then subs also have mistakes and you never fully enjoy an anime if you can't understand/speak Japanese To fully enjoy something then you must process it as long as to the original if you can't process the original yourself. This is like if an anime isn't completely a copy and paste of manga then anime is worse... But we have lots of examples (like this season of Attack on Titan) that anime isn't copy and paste of manga and the anime is better... |
MoeAnimeFan said: KreatorX said: I am not disagreeing with you. But explain to me how she stopped being a tsundere with just those words. Also as a viewer, I doubt you were unaware that person was the brother even if you watched it in dubs. I highly suspect that the rest of the characters have no clue as to why she cried but I will go with what you said, as I haven't watched it yet. I am simply smelling sub-elitism here, nothing more than that :D You still don't get it, the english dub fans who watch that Anime will not know she is a tsundere, a personality not only represented by action but mainly by words especially in Anime. Look, I get it. I understand Japanese to the point where I can POINT out errors in the subs because the fan translation wasn't exactly correct and I can understand basic sentences, enough to hold a 10-15 second conversation of my own. It is not something exceptional to brag about but I'm just driving a point here. Having watched both subs and dubs for the past 15 years, I do have a fair bit of confidence in my spoken Japanese language skills. I haven't seen a single show till date where I couldn't tell if the person was tsundere or not, doesn't matter if I watched it in dub or sub. My contention with you is that you cherry-picked an example to show that us anime fans can't enjoy a show fully just because of a language barrier. Don't take this the wrong way, but if I start watching this show, I would have picked up on the fact that the yellow haired chick would be a tsundere regardless whether you told me or not. Refer to my previous post as to how I decide between dub or sub. |
KreatorXAug 21, 2018 8:34 AM
| Truly a Divine Comedy |
| Making a tsundere not be a tsundere would actually objectively be an improvement since they are the worst archetype. But setting that aside, this is not a topic you can generalize. I know a few cases where I definitely enjoyed the dub MORE than the original version because it was just a perfect fit for the characters or there were some things about the original audio that bothered me. In general, anyone who confidently pretends they can speak for how much other people enjoy something, is a disingenious prick tbh. You don't get to decide how much other people enjoy something, and you especially don't get to generalize that based one example that made you salty. That's just unreflected egocentrism at its finest. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
Immahnoob said: jal90 said: Right.I know that they are saying different stuff. Dubbing and translation are completely different processes. Wait a second... If you want to make a point about English dubs being worse than original dubs picking the script as a comparison is quite wrong. ...What? I thought you're the type that thinks before they write. The revoicing process does not necessarily include 'the script must be changed' in its definition. A change in script means a deviation from what was meant to be portrayed, that will always happen to a degree in translation, that doesn't suddenly mean that any type of loss in translation is ok. This conclusion doesn't really stem from what I say. Of course bad translations can ruin the work. They are just not the same issue as voice acting, they are not done by the same people, and if they fail it's for different reasons. Good dubs exist with bad translations. Bad dubs exist with faithful translations. But if all OP does is showing a video that plays two little and very specific clips out of context, even if their texts are different, the only thing I can infer here is the quality of the voice acting. I don't know why the character not saying "oniichan" in the second clip is a loss, what did it mean to the character in the original and why it's so tragic that it wasn't kept in the translated text. |
| fma brotherhood is my favorite anime of all time and i watched it dubbed lol |
Edward Elric > your waifu  |
KreatorX said: MoeAnimeFan said: A character personality are also represented by their words, and the dub did change the story because no one knows why she cried. I am not disagreeing with you. But explain to me how she stopped being a tsundere with just those words. Also as a viewer, I doubt you were unaware that person was the brother even if you watched it in dubs. I highly suspect that the rest of the characters have no clue as to why she cried but I will go with what you said, as I haven't watched it yet. I am simply smelling sub-elitism here, nothing more than that :D Especially when you write stuff like ' English dubbed Anime fans will never able to fully enjoy Anime'. You don't even know when I choose to watch an anime between dub or sub. For me it has always been the timbre of the voice. If I like the sound of the voice actors, I will stick with that. I've rewatched plenty of shows in both dub and sub, neither of them had any impact on the story nor personalities for me. Sure, there were some cases where I felt the script of the sub was better, at times I felt the script of the dub was better than the sub. Yet I have been able to 'fully' enjoy anime regardless. *up voting this bitch* nicely put. I've seen so many dub and sub of the same show and and at no point has the main story or it's underlying tones or themes (if any) ever been drastically changed or have it's story muddled or "out of focus." idk wtf this dude is on about. |
| Japanese dubs are usually better than English dub. If you try claiming it being always better, then you're just bullshitting... |
KatsutoSakiAug 21, 2018 9:42 AM
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| the sole existence of Black Clover is enough to prove you wrong. the watching experience with that show changes dramatically for better in the dub. |
| Baccano dub is superior to baccano sub |
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Dlwuik said: fma brotherhood is my favorite anime of all time and i watched it dubbed lol I've watched fma brotherhood both dubbed and subbed and the dub for that show is better by far imo |
| Who cares? It's just anime. I personally never liked the Japanese voice acting so dubs will always be an essential for when I watch anime. |
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jal90 said: No, they don't. Dubs are inherently bad if their script is wrong. Good dubs exist with bad translations. |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
| Sometimes this can be true, depending of how faithful the USA adaptation was. Both FMA series are positive examples, you can watch the dubbed versions without worries. As for negative... I´ll use the most explicit example possible: Any anime adaptation made by 4Kids. |
| "Could you not talk with me? I'm busy breathing." |
Immahnoob said: jal90 said: No, they don't. Dubs are inherently bad if their script is wrong. Good dubs exist with bad translations. Throw your inherence somewhere else, I have watched them. |
jal90 said: That's irrelevant, you're still wrong. Immahnoob said: No, they don't. Dubs are inherently bad if their script is wrong. Throw your inherence somewhere else, I have watched them. |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
Master_of_Lies said: As for negative... I´ll use the most explicit example possible: Any anime adaptation made by 4Kids. True. I have no problems watching English dubbed. But if it's from 4Kids..... ugh the cringe is crawling in my skin when I remember watching shows dubbed by 4Kids. |
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Immahnoob said: That's irrelevant, you're still wrong. We can keep throwing one liners at one another for a long while if you want. |
jal90 said: You're correct, at least for once. In the end though, the conclusion has been reached anyway. Go on, struggle. Immahnoob said: That's irrelevant, you're still wrong. We can keep throwing one liners at one another for a long while if you want. |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
| That's not true, if the anime series is properly dubbed and the background music does not drown out the dialogue. Yet, when I watched anime on Netflix, I used the close captioning function because it's just easier to watch subbed anime, sometimes it's hard to understand what some of the characters are saying. |
justcaolan said: Dlwuik said: fma brotherhood is my favorite anime of all time and i watched it dubbed lol I've watched fma brotherhood both dubbed and subbed and the dub for that show is better by far imo agreed. the voices for the main characters in the sub weren't even that bad (of course the eng is better), it was the background characters voices that made it unwatchable in japanese. |
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Dlwuik said: I agree completeley with u because I love you and we do share the same opinions time to time even in the bathroom and yeah dubs are better than subs time to time but fullmetal is greatjustcaolan said: I've watched fma brotherhood both dubbed and subbed and the dub for that show is better by far imo agreed. the voices for the main characters in the sub weren't even that bad (of course the eng is better), it was the background characters voices that made it unwatchable in japanese. |
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| 1.) Why is a 3-hour dead topic of an attention-starved troll being resuscitated? 2.) A noob actually got his self-diagnosis right and seems to be ignorant of the concept of dynamic equivalence as a preferable approach in translation. That, or his "triggered"-style gif avatar points to him being a troll doing troll things. So, in conclusion, trolls galore. Kill this thread. |
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