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| We arrived at the last episode ..... About animation/Staff:  - Script by Taku Kishimoto - (岸本卓) - (270, 271, 272, 274, 279, 280, 281 283, 284, 285, 299, 304, 305, 309, 310, 311A, 319, 320, 321, 322, 323, 334, 335, 336, 350, 351, 352): He did the last 3 episodes of Silver Soul. Veteran and really good. - Storyboard by Hirotaka Endo - (遠藤広隆) - (323, 346): Very weak storyboarder, same for episodes 323 and 346. He just know make action with still frames..... Poor. - Directed by Shuuji Miyahara - (宮原秀二) - (80, 91, 96, 102, 108, 117, 122, 131, 139, 147, 155, 162, 171, 181, 188, 207, 212, 219, 225, 230, 237, 244, 250, 257, 262, 269, 276, 328, 345): Shuuji directed the last episode again as was in Rakuyou. He is a veteran and great director, actually all of your episodes was well animated. Animation Directors: https://i.imgur.com/04LMJmg.png - Hitomi Tsuruta (鶴田仁美) - (55, 62, 67, 74, 81, 89, 94, 103, 111, 119, 128, 142, 150(half), 156(half), 332, 339(half)) - (Rank A): Veteran and great AD. - Mitsunori Yamaguchi (山口光紀) - (Solo eps: 127, 134, 141, 149, 157, 184 193, 200, 203, 218, 226, 242, 251, 254, 258, 263. Pieces of 163, 168, 177, 211, 234, 270, 276, 284, 298, 302, 309, 313, 322, 328, 333, 341, 347) - (Rank B): He is a very good AD and veteran, already wrong in the past, but in general, your work is good. - Mariko Ishikawa (石川真理子) - (Half of 268, 273, 278, 286, 304, 313, 316, 322, 328, 333, 341, 347) - (Rank S): Best AD of Gintama at the time. Your work in Gintoki vs Takasugi is just great! Mariko was Animation Director in the finale episode of past seasons (Gintama°, Rakuyou, Porori-hen). Fortunately, the tradition continues! In the Key Animation list has Youhei Sasaki (佐々木洋平) that worked in more another episode, your part probably is the fight in earth. Even the animation was static frames, was very good. The art style in this part is awesome, very detailed. The episode was very well animated, with expected, the consistency was great. Unfortunately the storyboarder not is one of the best, what created static fight scenes. Fortunately the animators of this episode are very good and made even these good scenes. About Gintama.: Shirogane no Tamashii-hen Animation: This season was better than others seasons (Rakuyou, Porori-hen) in animation question. Gintama staff did the best that this season deliver what Silver Soul arc is. I'm happy, for me, the animation was good, better than I expected. Bad episodes: 2 (346, 349) Good episodes: 10 Did you think the animation bad? Curiosities: - Sasaki Youhei worked in 8 episodes was Key Animator: 342, 344, 345, 347, 349, 350, 351, 353. Your cuts was usually the best of your episodes. - Subproduced episodes (In cooperation with another studio): 346: Studio AMO(?) (アモ) 349: Studio elle (スタジオエル) Best and Worse: - Episode: Best: 345 - Worse: 349 - Director: Best: Shuuji Miyahara (345, 353) - Worse: Matsuo Asami (346) - Storyboarder: Best: Shuuji Miyahara (345) - Worse: Hirotaka Endo (346, 353) - Animation Directors: Best: Mariko Ishikawa (347, 353) - Worse: Have many in episodes 346 and 349. - Assistant AD: Best: Best: Youhei Sasaki (345) - Worse: Takakura Kae (359, 350) (Need more experience). - Animator: Youhei Sasaki is the best, Mariko Ishikawa is the second. I can't credit a worse. What to expect next season: The animation should not get worse, I expect the same quality of this season. Chapters 660 to 668 will be hard to adapt because of the amount of action of those chapters, but I hype this! We'll still have bad episodes, but we'll have lots of good ones too. Thanks to everyone who read my comments on animation every week. Thanks to everyone who asked questions and discussed Gintama's animation. Talking about it is very interesting! Sometimes I post a few things about animation on Twitter if someone wants to read, ask or say something: https://twitter.com/YGP__ https://i.imgur.com/gu3kQsf.png Mod Edit: Unembedded extra pictures, please only embed one picture in Episode discussion threads |
Fleeting_DreamNov 25, 2019 12:29 PM
| Ayeee, Takasugi joins the fray! It sucks that this will be a split cour but it is what it is. Overall Gintama managed to make a great comeback from the terrible last season with a very good balance of action and comedy. Well done. 8/10. |
"At some point, I stopped hoping." |
| Full translation of the staff by Sakaki https://twitter.com/kiirobon/status/977965507558170624 |
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| ED instead of OP at the start nice. |
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MrMik1995 said: I said it before, i think they'll do the first half justice(because a certain fight will happen episode 4 most likely, and episode 4 of the 2017 Gintama always has the best animation) but they won't do the 2nd half justice(animation always falls apart in the 2nd half, and censoring)YGP said: We arrived at the last episode ..... About animation/Staff: - Script by Taku Kishimoto - (岸本卓) - (270, 271, 272, 274, 279, 280, 281 283, 284, 285, 299, 304, 305, 309, 310, 311A, 319, 320, 321, 322, 323, 334, 335, 336, 350, 351, 352): He did the last 3 episodes of Silver Soul. Veteran and really good. - Storyboard by Hirotaka Endo - (遠藤広隆) - (323, 346): Very weak storyboarder, same for episodes 323 and 346. He just know make action with still frames..... Poor. - Directed by Shuuji Miyahara - (宮原秀二) - (80, 91, 96, 102, 108, 117, 122, 131, 139, 147, 155, 162, 171, 181, 188, 207, 212, 219, 225, 230, 237, 244, 250, 257, 262, 269, 276, 328, 345): Shuuji directed the last episode again as was in Rakuyou. He is a veteran and great director, actually all of your episodes was well animated. Animation Directors: https://i.imgur.com/04LMJmg.png - Hitomi Tsuruta (鶴田仁美) - (55, 62, 67, 74, 81, 89, 94, 103, 111, 119, 128, 142, 150(half), 156(half), 332, 339(half)) - (Rank A): Veteran and great AD. - Mitsunori Yamaguchi (山口光紀) - (Solo eps: 127, 134, 141, 149, 157, 184 193, 200, 203, 218, 226, 242, 251, 254, 258, 263. Pieces of 163, 168, 177, 211, 234, 270, 276, 284, 298, 302, 309, 313, 322, 328, 333, 341, 347) - (Rank B): He is a very good AD and veteran, already wrong in the past, but in general, without work is good. - Mariko Ishikawa (石川真理子) - (Half of 268, 273, 278, 286, 304, 313, 316, 322, 328, 333, 341, 347) - (Rank S): Best AD of Gintama at the time. Your work in Gintoki vs Takasugi is just great! Mariko was Animation Director in the finale episode of past seasons (Gintama°, Rakuyou, Porori-hen). Fortunately, the tradition continues! In the Key Animation list has Youhei Sasaki (佐々木洋平) that worked in more another episode, your part probably is the fight in earth. Even the animation was static frames, was very good. The art style in this part is awesome, very detailed. The episode was very well animated, with expected, the consistency was great. Unfortunately the storyboarder not is one of the best, what created static fight scenes. Fortunately the animators of this episode are very good and made even these good scenes. About Gintama.: Shirogane no Tamashii-hen Animation: This season was better than others seasons (Rakuyou, Porori-hen) in animation question. Gintama staff did the best that this season deliver what Silver Soul arc is. I'm happy, for me, the animation was good, better than I expected. Bad episodes: 2 (346, 349) Good episodes: 10 Did you think the animation bad? Curiosities: - Sasaki Youhei worked in 7 episodes was Key Animator: 342, 344, 345, 347, 349, 350, 351. Your cuts was usually the best of your episodes. - Subproduced episodes (In cooperation with another studio): 346: Studio AMO(?) (アモ) 349: Studio elle (スタジオエル) Best and Worse: - Episode: Best: 345 - Worse: 349 - Director: Best: Shuuji Miyahara (345, 353) - Worse: Matsuo Asami (346) - Storyboarder: Best: Shuuji Miyahara (345) - Worse: Hirotaka Endo (346, 353) - Animation Directors: Best: Mariko Ishikawa (347, 353) - Worse: Have many in episodes 346 and 349. - Assistant AD: Best: Best: Youhei Sasaki (345) - Worse: Takakura Kae (359, 350) (Need more experience). - Animator: Youhei Sasaki is the best, Mariko Ishikawa is the second. I can't credit a worse. What to expect next season: The animation should not get worse, I expect the same quality of this season. Chapters 660 to 668 will be hard to adapt because of the amount of action of those chapters, but I hype this! We'll still have bad episodes, but we'll have lots of good ones too. Thanks to everyone who read my comments on animation every week. Thanks to everyone who asked questions and discussed Gintama's animation. Talking about it is very interesting! Sometimes I post a few things about animation on Twitter if someone wants to read, ask or say something: https://twitter.com/YGP__ https://i.imgur.com/gu3kQsf.png While its great that they have Sasaki around, it also sucks that he is the one who has to carry most of the weight and obviously since he can't manage to work for long cuts each episode his scenes don't last long (which action wise are the only ones making the best use of newer character design). First half of this arc had mix of action and comedy in the Four Devas style but second half is more like SA or FS where jokes are limited,its more serious and its just back to back action,so its kinda worrying how they'll handle the second half.Atleast they made a good decision by taking a break,its just 3 months but hope for the best. Mod Edit: Edited quoted post to reflect changes |
Fleeting_DreamNov 25, 2019 12:32 PM
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SenpaiJay98 said: MrMik1995 said: I said it before, i think they'll do the first half justice(because a certain fight will happen episode 4 most likely, and episode 4 of the 2017 Gintama always has the best animation) but they won't do the 2nd half justice(animation always falls apart in the 2nd half, and censoring)While its great that they have Sasaki around, it also sucks that he is the one who has to carry most of the weight and obviously since he can't manage to work for long cuts each episode his scenes don't last long (which action wise are the only ones making the best use of newer character design). First half of this arc had mix of action and comedy in the Four Devas style but second half is more like SA or FS where jokes are limited,its more serious and its just back to back action,so its kinda worrying how they'll handle the second half.Atleast they made a good decision by taking a break,its just 3 months but hope for the best. I personally think "that episode" won't hit till episode 5. But I also don't think the animation is THAT strict with its structure. So I think it's animation will still be very nice. Mod Edit: Edited quoted post to match earlier changes |
Fleeting_DreamNov 25, 2019 12:34 PM
crystalblade13 said: I don't see how it can reach episode 5 without dragging things out(i'm talking about the fight not the stuff that comes right after it because I think that'll be saved for episode 5)SenpaiJay98 said: I said it before, i think they'll do the first half justice(because a certain fight will happen episode 4 most likely, and episode 4 of the 2017 Gintama always has the best animation) but they won't do the 2nd half justice(animation always falls apart in the 2nd half, and censoring) I personally think "that episode" won't hit till episode 5. But I also don't think the animation is THAT strict with its structure. So I think it's animation will still be very nice. Mod Edit: Edited quote to match earlier changes |
Fleeting_DreamNov 25, 2019 12:35 PM
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| "The one to destroy this world. Will be me". That line with the opening playing gave me so many goosebumps. But for now Gintama is ending. This introduction to the SS arc was amazing. Seeing all the old characters come back to save the world. The comedy was really good, nothing new there. Action looked really good when it needed it to be. See you guys in July! |
  Katsura janai, Zura da |
| It was pure Gintama all the way through. Comedy, Action, and drama, an absolute Gintama masterclass. |
The Soviet Union will revive #communism |
| While I didn't laugh as much with the Kondo/Hanzo joke, I loved this episode. I like how they keep their tradition to switch the ending and opening for the last episode of an arc (and season in this case), it makes me remember how they did with Shura and Gin'iro no Sora back then with the Benizakura arc. As much I love Gintama, I didn't like Porori-hen as much. I enjoyed those arcs in the manga, but it felt really out of place in the anime after SA, FS and RDB. So I was really happy that they were back on track with this season. Anyways, the season itself was nice, the pacing was good. yet somewhat rushed in a few occassions, but not that big of a deal for me. The cliffhangers tho. Even as a manga reader, I'm hyped for the next part of Silver Soul! |
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| TAKASUGI..... NO. YOU CAN'T GO ON A BREAK NOW. WHY. JUST WHY. I NEED MORE EPISODES. Liked that they switched the OP and ED this week. The Kondo and Zenzou's poop and blood trail were hilarious lmao. That was great xD Loved the conversation between Soyo and Nobunobu. That was quite emotional. I really like the character development from Nobunobu this season. Has changed for the better. And finally, that ending with Takasugi. That was freaking amazing. I was literally jumping after he made his entrance. Even though we all knew he was gonna make an appearance in the end xD "A weapon of destruction that will erase earth? Sorry but it won't get a chance to shine. The one to destroy the world will be me"  Loved it. Loved every bit. Yet another amazing season of Gintama. Thoroughly enjoyed this. Sucks that we're going a break now. Thought I was gonna be okay with it but that cliffhanger has me craving for more. Haha. 10/10! |
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| Great season overall for me(8/10) though I was expecting more serious tones to it although we did have some great emotional and invigorating eps as well (Tama dying/ decommissioning ,return of Jirocho and other characters except Asaemon). Comedy was top notch, with some great running gags(Madao being Madao as ever, Zenzo's hemorrhoids , Tsuki's drinking tolerance) ,parodies (NGE) and some brief comedy cameos from past eps like Pandemonium-san and Timeskip arc (with Yamzaki being Rambo) and so much more F*cking hyped for the next final season. "If you have got time to fantasize about a beautiful ending, why not live beautifully till the end" :') |
| What I don't get is that since the manga has not finished and has no intention of ending any time soon (based on what I have heard-I haven't read the manga) ,how will they even end the silver soul arc in the next season or will they go ahead of the manga maybe ? |
MdotO said: What I don't get is that since the manga has not finished and has no intention of ending any time soon (based on what I have heard-I haven't read the manga) ,how will they even end the silver soul arc in the next season or will they go ahead of the manga maybe ? Probably split cour again, and the third part will be aired at Winter 2019. |
| "The night is in its darkest just before dawn. But keep your eyes open. If you avert your eyes from the dark, you'll be blinded by the rays of a new day. So keep your eyes open, no matter how dark the night ahead may be." - Gintoki Sakata |
| Full ed song for op are nice. Wish they will put more budget to second half. |
| Into the Internet! |
| @GoldenDevilGamer Is it right that gin× tskuyo not that popular in japan? Also who was the 2nd guy in the preview?..was that kamui? Do we even get to see him and umibozu? When takasugi said " the one to destroy the world will be me" i was kinda expecting him to say kono Dio da! XD I mean that's far fetched, but i atleast wished for kono ore da! Lol Great episode, and the ending was pretty good as well. I'm so hyped for summer, Aot s 3, grand blue, 2nd half of gintama..it's gonna be awesome |
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Salamak said: @GoldenDevilGamer Also who was the 2nd guy in the preview?..was that kamui? Do we even get to see him and umibozu? |
| LEGENDARY ! I've had shivers from the start to the end.That Nobunobu redemption scene served some feels. Seeing Katsura in his Joui outfit was also exciting. The final Takasugi scene was simply magnificent, but it serves as the season's cliffhanger. So much hype for the next part of the arc. |
| ''I'm fine with being a beast, I neither want nor need anything to protect. I just want to destroy everything, until the beast stops whining.'' Takasugi Shinsuke |
SenpaiJay98 said: crystalblade13 said: I don't see how it can reach episode 5 without dragging things out(i'm talking about the fight not the stuff that comes right after it because I think that'll be saved for episode 5)I personally think "that episode" won't hit till episode 5. But I also don't think the animation is THAT strict with its structure. So I think it's animation will still be very nice. theres 12 chapters between where we are now and that fight. And many of them are very dialogue heavy (flashbacks). 3 chapters an episode is normal pacing. 12 chapters will be 4 episodes. And then that fight will be chapters 344-346, on episode 5. Mod Edit: Edited quoted post to match earlier changes |
Fleeting_DreamNov 25, 2019 12:36 PM
| Well, it exists, but it's not popular in Japan. Most of Gin's pairings from the fanbase tends to be shounen ai ones, mainly because Gintama's Japanese fanbase primarily consists of a female demograpic. OkiKagu is super, super popular among the fanbase though. Salamak said: Yep, that's Kamui, and Umibouzu... Also who was the 2nd guy in the preview?..was that kamui? Do we even get to see him and umibozu? |
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crystalblade13 said: I see 3 chapters for the first episode, but not the 2nd and 3rd since they have a lot of action in themSenpaiJay98 said: I don't see how it can reach episode 5 without dragging things out(i'm talking about the fight not the stuff that comes right after it because I think that'll be saved for episode 5) theres 12 chapters between where we are now and that fight. And many of them are very dialogue heavy (flashbacks). 3 chapters an episode is normal pacing. 12 chapters will be 4 episodes. And then that fight will be chapters 344-346, on episode 5. Mod Edit: Edited quote to match changes made in earlier posts |
Fleeting_DreamNov 25, 2019 12:37 PM
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| ok nice I really liked how they ended...nice waiting for more |
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GoldenDevilGamer said: Well, it exists, but it's not popular in Japan. Most of Gin's pairings from the fanbase tends to be shounen ai ones, mainly because Gintama's Japanese fanbase primarily consists of a female demograpic. OkiKagu is super, super popular among the fanbase though. Salamak said: Yep, that's Kamui, and Umibouzu... Also who was the 2nd guy in the preview?..was that kamui? Do we even get to see him and umibozu? Okikagura is so popular that there's a new series kid sougo, and i sooo want a spin off of this. It's the cutest thing ever. Gin×tskuyo is the best pair, man i wished they get together somehow.. EtoileSosso said: Salamak said: @GoldenDevilGamer Also who was the 2nd guy in the preview?..was that kamui? Do we even get to see him and umibozu? Thanks |
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crystalblade13 said: I agree, though I think episode 5 should go up to chapter 647. There's not much dialogue and chapter 646 was only 15 pages.SenpaiJay98 said: I don't see how it can reach episode 5 without dragging things out(i'm talking about the fight not the stuff that comes right after it because I think that'll be saved for episode 5) theres 12 chapters between where we are now and that fight. And many of them are very dialogue heavy (flashbacks). 3 chapters an episode is normal pacing. 12 chapters will be 4 episodes. And then that fight will be chapters 344-346, on episode 5. Mod Edit: Edited quoted post to match earlier changes |
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| [quote=GoldenDevilGamer] crystalblade13 said: SenpaiJay98 said: I agree, though I think episode 5 should go up to chapter 647. There's not much dialogue and chapter 646 was only 15 pages.theres 12 chapters between where we are now and that fight. And many of them are very dialogue heavy (flashbacks). 3 chapters an episode is normal pacing. 12 chapters will be 4 episodes. And then that fight will be chapters 344-346, on episode 5. I agree with that, it can definitely be one of the 4 chapter exceptions, I was thinking that myself as I typed it, but said "eh, no biggie", so I'm glad you pointed it out. |
| I can't believe that I'm saying this but I hated this season. It is the worst one so far and it came after two godlike arcs that left me craving for more Gintama over and over again. I can write a full composition about how each episode fucked up in multiple ways but I don't see any point. All I'm gonna say is that this season was barely animated at all. Most episode were still images swapping at very slow pace. Also all episodes were full comedy and full serious at the same time and... it didn't work out. Adding a little comedy on a serious episode or adding an emotional moment at a comedic episode is awesome when you do it right. And Gintama did that a lot of times in the past. But this season... Everything was so serious all the time yet the made fun of everything again and again. I can't believe that within all this there was an episode all about two guys taking a poop and another one about an alien's race forehead penis. To sum it up I love Gintama besides this season. I really hope that the story picks up again after the break and that THEY WILL ACTUALLY ANIMATE THE REST. At this point it's just the manga colored with music in the background. |
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| [quote=crystalblade13] GoldenDevilGamer said: I dont see 3 chapters clean lol, like they haven't done that before in the 2017 anime or even the 2015 anime, and when its action centric(which has less dialogue than the early SS stuff) I dont see that happening(maybe it's just more of being scared since I'd rather have the Episode 4 of this season go to the best fight in the series, because the episode 5 of the series is usually underwhelimg for all the gintama 2017 anime so farcrystalblade13 said: I agree, though I think episode 5 should go up to chapter 647. There's not much dialogue and chapter 646 was only 15 pages. I agree with that, it can definitely be one of the 4 chapter exceptions, I was thinking that myself as I typed it, but said "eh, no biggie", so I'm glad you pointed it out. |
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| Gintama vomit over Shinpachi, hilarious!!!! |
| [quote=SenpaiJay98] crystalblade13 said: GoldenDevilGamer said: I dont see 3 chapters clean lol, like they haven't done that before in the 2017 anime or even the 2015 anime, and when its action centric(which has less dialogue than the early SS stuff) I dont see that happening(maybe it's just more of being scared since I'd rather have the Episode 4 of this season go to the best fight in the series, because the episode 5 of the series is usually underwhelimg for all the gintama 2017 anime so farI agree with that, it can definitely be one of the 4 chapter exceptions, I was thinking that myself as I typed it, but said "eh, no biggie", so I'm glad you pointed it out. They've done 3 chapters clean multiple times, like the first episode of this season for example. And once again, I don't believe there's any evidence for this "4 episode rule". Episode 4 of SA was the worst episode it had, and FSs 4th episode was just average. You are overthinking it. I honestly think they'de have to rush like crazy to hit episode 4 for that fight, and I'd take slow pacing over rushing every day of the week. |
| [quote=crystalblade13 message=54737063] SenpaiJay98 said: I said Episode 4 for the 2017 anime, and they have done 3 chapters a episode before, but not consist(especially for action based chapters like chapter 635 and onward)crystalblade13 said: I dont see 3 chapters clean lol, like they haven't done that before in the 2017 anime or even the 2015 anime, and when its action centric(which has less dialogue than the early SS stuff) I dont see that happening(maybe it's just more of being scared since I'd rather have the Episode 4 of this season go to the best fight in the series, because the episode 5 of the series is usually underwhelimg for all the gintama 2017 anime so far They've done 3 chapters clean multiple times, like the first episode of this season for example. And once again, I don't believe there's any evidence for this "4 episode rule". Episode 4 of SA was the worst episode it had, and FSs 4th episode was just average. You are overthinking it. I honestly think they'de have to rush like crazy to hit episode 4 for that fight, and I'd take slow pacing over rushing every day of the week. |
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| [quote=SenpaiJay98] crystalblade13 said: There's no such thing as an episode 4 rule. It's just pure luck.SenpaiJay98 said: I said Episode 4 for the 2017 anime, and they have done 3 chapters a episode before, but not consist(especially for action based chapters like chapter 635 and onward)They've done 3 chapters clean multiple times, like the first episode of this season for example. And once again, I don't believe there's any evidence for this "4 episode rule". Episode 4 of SA was the worst episode it had, and FSs 4th episode was just average. You are overthinking it. I honestly think they'de have to rush like crazy to hit episode 4 for that fight, and I'd take slow pacing over rushing every day of the week. |
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| [quote=GoldenDevilGamer message=54737671] SenpaiJay98 said: I know it's just a unoffical thing, but history has shown so far with the 2017 Gintama and if history repeats again for a 4th time then it's not a fluke lolcrystalblade13 said: There's no such thing as an episode 4 rule. It's just pure luck.I said Episode 4 for the 2017 anime, and they have done 3 chapters a episode before, but not consist(especially for action based chapters like chapter 635 and onward) |
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| [quote=SenpaiJay98] GoldenDevilGamer said: SenpaiJay98 said: I know it's just a unoffical thing, but history has shown so far with the 2017 Gintama and if history repeats again for a 4th time then it's not a fluke lol There's no such thing as an episode 4 rule. It's just pure luck. I think it just happened to be that high-level animation worthy moments have popped up in episode 4 of the 2017 seasons. The best general fight (zura's) in rakuyo, the best half of the most serious arc in porori, and the meeting of utsuro again for the 2nd time in SS. I think it's just coincidence that these great moments have happened in episode 4, and as such- have gotten good animation. Do you think, hypothetically, if a full blown utsuro battle were to happen in episode 5 of a season, they wouldn't do it justice cause it's not an arbitrary certain episode number? |
| [quote=crystalblade13 message=54738045] SenpaiJay98 said: They didn't do the Ougai, Yato, Utsuro vs Umibozu(2nd half), Kamui(I thought this one was just ok, like it's not even better animated than Kagura vs Abuto or any of the Hosen fight episodes) fight justice, so I have no reason why they would do the a Utsuro fight that's not even the final one(and I don't even think they'll do the final one justice either since it's in the 2nd half of the season when usually the animation declines each 2017 season and censoring reasons) justice after a big sakuga episode happened, and like I said pacing wise I don't see why they would have three clean 3 chapters per episode when the content from 635 onward is mostly action heavyGoldenDevilGamer said: I know it's just a unoffical thing, but history has shown so far with the 2017 Gintama and if history repeats again for a 4th time then it's not a fluke lol I think it just happened to be that high-level animation worthy moments have popped up in episode 4 of the 2017 seasons. The best general fight (zura's) in rakuyo, the best half of the most serious arc in porori, and the meeting of utsuro again for the 2nd time in SS. I think it's just coincidence that these great moments have happened in episode 4, and as such- have gotten good animation. Do you think, hypothetically, if a full blown utsuro battle were to happen in episode 5 of a season, they wouldn't do it justice cause it's not an arbitrary certain episode number? |
SenpaiJay98Mar 27, 2018 10:39 AM
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| [quote=SenpaiJay98] crystalblade13 said: SenpaiJay98 said: They didn't do the Ougai, Yato, Utsuro vs Umibozu(2nd half), Kamui(I thought this one was just ok, like it's not even better animated than Kagura vs Abuto or any of the Hosen fight episodes) fight justice, so I have no reason why they would do the a Utsuro fight that's not even the final one(and I don't even think they'll do the final one justice either since it's in the 2nd half of the season when usually the animation declines each 2017 season and censoring reasons) justice after a big sakuga episode happened, and like I said pacing wise I don't see why they would have three clean 3 chapters per episode when the content from 635 onward is mostly action heavyI think it just happened to be that high-level animation worthy moments have popped up in episode 4 of the 2017 seasons. The best general fight (zura's) in rakuyo, the best half of the most serious arc in porori, and the meeting of utsuro again for the 2nd time in SS. I think it's just coincidence that these great moments have happened in episode 4, and as such- have gotten good animation. Do you think, hypothetically, if a full blown utsuro battle were to happen in episode 5 of a season, they wouldn't do it justice cause it's not an arbitrary certain episode number? Don't see why we have to limit it to 2017 here since it's still BNP. But they did takasugi vs gin (middle/ late part of SA), and kagura vs kamui justice. They did the first utsuro fight justice when it came to him and gin fighting anyway, and most of the top class animation in FS was in the later half (though episode 1 of FS was gorgeous). Rakuyo's late game fights looked better than it's early game fights minus the Katsura episode. So that's still the later 6 episodes looking better than the first 6 episodes overall. Plus rakuyo's final episode was its best looking episode outside the Katsura one. With SS, there aren't that many large scale fights in this cour. The most important was the first utsuro encounter battle, and the first 2 battles against the 3 great races. Obviously ougais battle wasn't adapted very well, but the shinra fight was pretty nice looking, though it's still beaten out by the utsuro encounter fight. As far as the episodes overall, it's been consistent, throughout the whole run there were some nice fully animated battles against the fodders, but also some parts with still frames. Arts been great throughout though, so I certainly wouldn't say the first half of SS blows the second half out of the water or anything like that. |
| [quote=crystalblade13] SenpaiJay98 said: I talked about 2017 since it's the most consistent so far with having episode 4 be the best 3 cours in a row, and stop comparing stuff from the 2015 anime(because 2015 had a stronger staff compared to the 2017 anime production)crystalblade13 said: They didn't do the Ougai, Yato, Utsuro vs Umibozu(2nd half), Kamui(I thought this one was just ok, like it's not even better animated than Kagura vs Abuto or any of the Hosen fight episodes) fight justice, so I have no reason why they would do the a Utsuro fight that's not even the final one(and I don't even think they'll do the final one justice either since it's in the 2nd half of the season when usually the animation declines each 2017 season and censoring reasons) justice after a big sakuga episode happened, and like I said pacing wise I don't see why they would have three clean 3 chapters per episode when the content from 635 onward is mostly action heavy Don't see why we have to limit it to 2017 here since it's still BNP. But they did takasugi vs gin (middle/ late part of SA), and kagura vs kamui justice. They did the first utsuro fight justice when it came to him and gin fighting anyway, and most of the top class animation in FS was in the later half (though episode 1 of FS was gorgeous). Rakuyo's late game fights looked better than it's early game fights minus the Katsura episode. So that's still the later 6 episodes looking better than the first 6 episodes overall. Plus rakuyo's final episode was its best looking episode outside the Katsura one. With SS, there aren't that many large scale fights in this cour. The most important was the first utsuro encounter battle, and the first 2 battles against the 3 great races. Obviously ougais battle wasn't adapted very well, but the shinra fight was pretty nice looking, though it's still beaten out by the utsuro encounter fight. As far as the episodes overall, it's been consistent, throughout the whole run there were some nice fully animated battles against the fodders, but also some parts with still frames. Arts been great throughout though, so I certainly wouldn't say the first half of SS blows the second half out of the water or anything like that. And I'm not saying that the Utsuro fight will look bad just that it won't do it justice because of censoring reasons and the production so far |
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| [quote=SenpaiJay98] crystalblade13 said: SenpaiJay98 said: I talked about 2017 since it's the most consistent so far with having episode 4 be the best 3 cours in a row, and stop comparing stuff from the 2015 anime(because 2015 had a stronger staff compared to the 2017 anime production)Don't see why we have to limit it to 2017 here since it's still BNP. But they did takasugi vs gin (middle/ late part of SA), and kagura vs kamui justice. They did the first utsuro fight justice when it came to him and gin fighting anyway, and most of the top class animation in FS was in the later half (though episode 1 of FS was gorgeous). Rakuyo's late game fights looked better than it's early game fights minus the Katsura episode. So that's still the later 6 episodes looking better than the first 6 episodes overall. Plus rakuyo's final episode was its best looking episode outside the Katsura one. With SS, there aren't that many large scale fights in this cour. The most important was the first utsuro encounter battle, and the first 2 battles against the 3 great races. Obviously ougais battle wasn't adapted very well, but the shinra fight was pretty nice looking, though it's still beaten out by the utsuro encounter fight. As far as the episodes overall, it's been consistent, throughout the whole run there were some nice fully animated battles against the fodders, but also some parts with still frames. Arts been great throughout though, so I certainly wouldn't say the first half of SS blows the second half out of the water or anything like that. And I'm not saying that the Utsuro fight will look bad just that it won't do it justice because of censoring reasons and the production so far But I answered the episode 4 thing by saying that those episodes were just coincidentally important moments that deserved good animation. Sorachi put the events in the early chapters and they happened to be important enough to produce as well as possible. Though the sorachi thing doesn't account for porori obviously. And comparing 2015 is perfectly valid, as all I'm showing is that BNP opted to use their best resources on later battles in those arcs, which is simply a decision they'de make before production on the episodes began. The stronger staff doesn't matter at all here. I'm just showing evidence that they decided to sacrifice early episodes (like episode 4 of SA) to make later episodes have the time/ resources they needed. It's just a directing decision. And this is still BNP and many of the same people involved. |
| [quote=crystalblade13] SenpaiJay98 said: and the events next season are episode 4(whether it's the fight or the things before the fight...u know what happend) and based off the track record(from the 2017 anime production) one of those things will be the best animated things from next courcrystalblade13 said: I talked about 2017 since it's the most consistent so far with having episode 4 be the best 3 cours in a row, and stop comparing stuff from the 2015 anime(because 2015 had a stronger staff compared to the 2017 anime production) And I'm not saying that the Utsuro fight will look bad just that it won't do it justice because of censoring reasons and the production so far But I answered the episode 4 thing by saying that those episodes were just coincidentally important moments that deserved good animation. Sorachi put the events in the early chapters and they happened to be important enough to produce as well as possible. Though the sorachi thing doesn't account for porori obviously. And comparing 2015 is perfectly valid, as all I'm showing is that BNP opted to use their best resources on later battles in those arcs, which is simply a decision they'de make before production on the episodes began. The stronger staff doesn't matter at all here. I'm just showing evidence that they decided to sacrifice early episodes (like episode 4 of SA) to make later episodes have the time/ resources they needed. It's just a directing decision. And this is still BNP and many of the same people involved. And the reason I saying 201 doesn't count is because 2017 is a different production(like the animator that did the best parts of takasugi vs gintoki in episode 305, episode 214 shines right, saito vs katsura, and utsuro vs gintoki doesnt work in the 2017 production |
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| [quote=SenpaiJay98] crystalblade13 said: SenpaiJay98 said: and the events next season are episode 4(whether it's the fight or the things before the fight...u know what happend) and based off the track record(from the 2017 anime production) one of those things will be the best animated things from next courBut I answered the episode 4 thing by saying that those episodes were just coincidentally important moments that deserved good animation. Sorachi put the events in the early chapters and they happened to be important enough to produce as well as possible. Though the sorachi thing doesn't account for porori obviously. And comparing 2015 is perfectly valid, as all I'm showing is that BNP opted to use their best resources on later battles in those arcs, which is simply a decision they'de make before production on the episodes began. The stronger staff doesn't matter at all here. I'm just showing evidence that they decided to sacrifice early episodes (like episode 4 of SA) to make later episodes have the time/ resources they needed. It's just a directing decision. And this is still BNP and many of the same people involved. And the reason I saying 201 doesn't count is because 2017 is a different production(like the animator that did the best parts of takasugi vs gintoki in episode 305, episode 214 shines right, saito vs katsura, and utsuro vs gintoki doesnt work in the 2017 production It's possible, the Katsura fight was the 10-12th chapter of its arc. And it was episode 4. But the "big fight we are taking about will be the 13-15 or 16th chapter of its cour in this case. So maybe it'll hit episode 4, maybe it'll hit 5. Just consider this: we are gonna be covering 36 chapters this cour most likely. I personally don't think it's a good idea to cover 15 to 16 chapters of that in the first 3rd of the cour (episode 4). Pacing wise, if we do go for an average of 3 chapters an episode, that'd be perfect. 3x12=36. |
| Beautiful as always. Gintama is always the perfect combination of comedy, action, drama and exciting events. The entrance of Takasugi husbando is always breathtaking. Thank you Sorachi. |
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| [quote=crystalblade13] SenpaiJay98 said: at least chapters 641-644 would be getting amazing animation(since it's one of the most critical moments of that mini arc)crystalblade13 said: and the events next season are episode 4(whether it's the fight or the things before the fight...u know what happend) and based off the track record(from the 2017 anime production) one of those things will be the best animated things from next cour And the reason I saying 201 doesn't count is because 2017 is a different production(like the animator that did the best parts of takasugi vs gintoki in episode 305, episode 214 shines right, saito vs katsura, and utsuro vs gintoki doesnt work in the 2017 production It's possible, the Katsura fight was the 10-12th chapter of its arc. And it was episode 4. But the "big fight we are taking about will be the 13-15 or 16th chapter of its cour in this case. So maybe it'll hit episode 4, maybe it'll hit 5. Just consider this: we are gonna be covering 36 chapters this cour most likely. I personally don't think it's a good idea to cover 15 to 16 chapters of that in the first 3rd of the cour (episode 4). Pacing wise, if we do go for an average of 3 chapters an episode, that'd be perfect. 3x12=36. |
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| [quote=SenpaiJay98] crystalblade13 said: SenpaiJay98 said: at least chapters 641-644 would be getting amazing animation(since it's one of the most critical moments of that mini arc)It's possible, the Katsura fight was the 10-12th chapter of its arc. And it was episode 4. But the "big fight we are taking about will be the 13-15 or 16th chapter of its cour in this case. So maybe it'll hit episode 4, maybe it'll hit 5. Just consider this: we are gonna be covering 36 chapters this cour most likely. I personally don't think it's a good idea to cover 15 to 16 chapters of that in the first 3rd of the cour (episode 4). Pacing wise, if we do go for an average of 3 chapters an episode, that'd be perfect. 3x12=36. So you'd be willing to throw the whole season under the bus pacing wise, to get that episode to be episode 4, even though there's a high chance that being episode 4 means nothing. They're gonna animate things however they want. Even going by the 2017 seasons, there's no evidence that they run out of money/ time part way through or anything like that. Once again, rakuyo's best looking episode outside the Katsura one, was its final episode. And late game SS looked fine outside of 1 episode. And I doubt very heavily that they won't put a lot of time and effort into the late game battle of the upcoming cour. |
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