| Why do some people watch like 50 episodes of an anime that they hate, give it a 3/10 or a 4/10, and still have it on their Currently Watching list, and still watch it for the next 3 or 4 years? I see this with so many people and it really is confusing... why do people do this? mod-edit: please make your thread titles less ambiguous next time |
kei-cloneMar 16, 2008 9:28 PM
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| Maybe they're bored? Or maybe they forgot about it....why don't you just ask them? |
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| Maybe they watch it hoping for good episodes even though most are crappy? Or perhaps they just follow them to keep up with the fandom and participate in discussion about the series. |
| Hmmm... I guess... :O |
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| For sake of completing? Least they actually watched the shows before hating. Some people watch 1 episode of some show, rates it low and drops it without even giving it a chance. =/ |
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| If theres an anime I don't particularly like but its broadcasting on TV, chances are I'll watch it anyway. Especially if at some point it was part of an 'anime block' on a TV channel. As an example (I don't hate it, but) I'm not a huge fan of Cowboy Bebop and yet I've still watched it multiple times (it used to be on during one of Cartoon Networks blocks along with Outlaw Star and some other stuff, and recently its been in Anime Central's block, so I've watched it again) Sometimes theres nothing better on. Sometimes I might watch something I'm not overly fond of it one of my friends is a rabid fan - after all, it will help me understand what they're talking about at the least (sort of like Soaps on regular TV) Sometimes it wouldn't even necessarily need to be a friend that was a rabid fan :P There are occasions when I've watched anime that wasn't really my sort of thing, or read manga that wasn't my sort of thing, just because people were raving about it and I wanted to see why. Then, even if it doesn't grab me straight off the bat, I'll often give it some leeway and watch quite a bit more as I try to work out why people like it so much. (Some of it could also be hindsight. I mean, there are series that I loved when I first watched them, but if I were to watch them again now theres every chance they could drop in rank. I don't think any of them would drop to 'hated' status overnight though) And as Kionniko said, sometimes it might be for completions sake. In my opinion the manga (Yeah, I know we're talking anime, but its close enough) of Gundam SEED is awful. If anything, picking up the second volume recently made me remember why I'd dropped it after the first volume all those years ago. I still plan to finish it (albeit mainly because I liked the anime and I want to believe the manga isn't as bad as I currently feel it is. Had it been another series I'd not heard of, it would probably have been dropped and it would have stayed dropped.) The majority of the stuff I drop is actually stuff I consider decidedly average, as opposed to stuff I consider bad. If its bad, it means that at the least its memorable. A lot of the stuff I drop is stuff I think wasn't. |
Kionniko said: For sake of completing? Least they actually watched the shows before hating. Some people watch 1 episode of some show, rates it low and drops it without even giving it a chance. =/ Yeah. I've downloaded batches and bought box sets of series (on special) on whims before, and since I have the whole series, I'll watch it all, even if I don't particularly like it. Same goes for series given to me by friends or family. They kind of obligate me to watch them so I can talk about it with them. Granted the above cases are rare, and why I have so few series 6 or under on my list, comparatively. But I never drop a series I have in full, and even new series, I'll give at least three episodes to decide if it's worth continuing. Stuff like Naruto, I follow because I love a couple of the characters and have to sit through the majority of it to see them, though Bleach I dropped (again) because there are no chars in it I'm particularly attatched to and the story has gone nowhere since the soul society arc ended. >.< At the moment I'm forcing myself through Kannazuki no Miko, even though I dislike it, and I dropped it after three eps when it first aired, I was recently given the whole series, so now I have to finish it... though I'm taking my time =p Everybody has different reasons, though. Everybody scores differently, too. If I had to give Shippuuden a score atm (though I don't rate incomplete series) it'd probably only get a 4 or 5. Points for some pretty animation, and good fight scenes, but the pacing is horrid. But I keep watching because I know what's to come, and I want to see it in pretty colour and with epic Yasuharu music. :D |
Zarin said: As for giving them a rating of 3/4, don't forget that a 5 means "average". Now can you tell me what's so special about the average of something is? Yes, that's right: Half of all anime shoud be given scores under 5. A 3 or 4 just means "below average", or in other words "it's not good but it's still perfectly watchable". Now when you put that into the perspective of the opening post's question, there's absolutely nothing strange of watching a series that's below average. Another very good point. Personally if I dislike something enough to give it less than a 5 (ie I find it below average) I won't continue watching it, generally. Aside from with the above exceptions; when I get the entire series. I have a bunch of 5s and 6s on my list which is stuff I wouldn't recommend to people, but isn't generally terrible. (Hentai aside, but few people watch hentai for the story, so scores are probably different there.) anything 7+ I'd be happy to recommend to people as a whole, but I'd only ever suggest things I rate 6 or below to people looking specifically for things in the respective genres. I'm quite liberal with my scores, though. I also have very broad tastes and will watch almost anything. Almost 10% of my list I rate 10. Another ~20% I rate 9. Then about 50% is 8-6. So there's ~80% of my completed list that I have to choose from to generally recommend to people. Obviously I'd work my way down my list, but it just goes to show, there's roughly 20% of series I've seen that I wouldn't openly recommend to people unless they were specifically after something of their nature. I try to make this known to people when discussing anime, and I've received more than a few 'omg u rate so hi' type comments, but the fact is, I don't watch crap, I don't list dropped series, I only rate stuff I complete, and I only complete stuff I like, generally, so... it's fair enough, neh? |
| Hm...does anyone think MAL users are more likely to put themselves through a bad series than others who don't use MAL or keep track any other way? And I never rate lower than 6...apparently :P |
Zarin said: As for giving them a rating of 3/4, don't forget that a 5 means "average". Now can you tell me what's so special about the average of something is? Yes, that's right: Half of all anime shoud be given scores under 5. A 3 or 4 just means "below average", or in other words "it's not good but it's still perfectly watchable". Now when you put that into the perspective of the opening post's question, there's absolutely nothing strange of watching a series that's below average. Ah I rate a different way, I like the school way better where everything below a 5/10 is a fail (crap), and then 5/10 is a D- (bad), 6/10 is a C- (decent I guess), 7/10 is a B- (pretty good with some flaws), 8/10 is A- (great), 9/10 is A (amazing), and 10/10 is A+ (flawless). What you said makes sense though if they're rating it that way. |
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death919 said: Zarin said: As for giving them a rating of 3/4, don't forget that a 5 means "average". Now can you tell me what's so special about the average of something is? Yes, that's right: Half of all anime shoud be given scores under 5. A 3 or 4 just means "below average", or in other words "it's not good but it's still perfectly watchable". Now when you put that into the perspective of the opening post's question, there's absolutely nothing strange of watching a series that's below average. Ah I rate a different way, I like the school way better where everything below a 5/10 is a fail (crap), and then 5/10 is a D- (bad), 6/10 is a C- (decent I guess), 7/10 is a B- (pretty good with some flaws), 8/10 is A- (great), 9/10 is A (amazing), and 10/10 is A+ (flawless). What you said makes sense though if they're rating it that way. Because making up our own rules are better than following the ones set in place.  |
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TheWestExit said: death919 said: Zarin said: As for giving them a rating of 3/4, don't forget that a 5 means "average". Now can you tell me what's so special about the average of something is? Yes, that's right: Half of all anime shoud be given scores under 5. A 3 or 4 just means "below average", or in other words "it's not good but it's still perfectly watchable". Now when you put that into the perspective of the opening post's question, there's absolutely nothing strange of watching a series that's below average. Ah I rate a different way, I like the school way better where everything below a 5/10 is a fail (crap), and then 5/10 is a D- (bad), 6/10 is a C- (decent I guess), 7/10 is a B- (pretty good with some flaws), 8/10 is A- (great), 9/10 is A (amazing), and 10/10 is A+ (flawless). What you said makes sense though if they're rating it that way. Because making up our own rules are better than following the ones set in place. That spectrum assumes that half of the animes one watches are Bad. For me the average anime that I watch I find to be very good. Thus "average" for me would be about an 8. Furthermore, I consider Bad animes to be unwatchable, since why would someone watch something they think is bad? I find that spectrum does not comply with my opinion so I use the letter grade system that I use when rating video games on gamespot (only at gamespot they let you do 0.5 incriments, which is better), because I dislike the system in your picture there. :P |
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| I think you'll find that it doesn't refer to the 'average anime that you watch' but rather to the 'average of all anime' (to put it very roughly). 'The state of being average', common or unremarkable. ("Being intermediate between extremes", "Usual or ordinary in kind or character", "lacking exceptional quality or ability") Something that doesn't stand out as being especially great, but it doesn't stand out as being especially bad either. Its the middle ground. Watchable but (maybe) not especially memorable. (Not the average of all the stuff you watch, which might be higher in quality (in your opinion anyway. And in any case, if the 'average' anime you watch is better described as 'good' or 'high quality' by you, then you can just rank it as that instead. There is a 'good' and 'very good' option after all...). Even if the majority of the anime that you watch is very good, you've also surely seen in passing some really bad anime that would bring the average (or rather, the mean) of the anime that you've watched down, if you use the word the way you're trying to) |
EphidelMar 16, 2008 9:16 AM
| Completing a show gives you full right and credibilty to say it sucks. |
Faust721Mar 16, 2008 10:22 AM
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Faust721 said: completeling a show gives you full right and credibilty to say it sucks. Exactly, if you watch 4 episodes of a series andfully give it a 2/10 score and ttry and rag on it and whenever it comes up, you're an idiot who doesn't have a right to sayanything until it's finished, you can still hate it all you want, butyou need to realize you have nothing on it. For currently watching for years, it says something similat in the About Me part of my profile, that I don't ever drop anything nor put it on hold, and thus if I have started it, I inted to finish it at somepoint, athe fact that there is crap load of animeis what keeps me from finishing some things for a LONG time. |
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| Of course there's something to be said about that person who constantly demeans a long running series but still spends the time to watch every episode. I'm not saying it's right for them to watch a few episodes and say it sucks, but if a person has watched 225 episodes out of a 500 epesode series and hates every second of it... well there either complaining just to complain, or their masochists. |
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| I kinda rate it the letter way too. A 10 - 9 for me are like my favorites, 8-7s are decent, 6-5s are ugh and I don't think I've rated anything under that .. because technically, if its been made an anime series it probably shouldn't be below average anyways in the eyes of the majority. Or so my misguided logic tells me. Skewing MAL results ftw? In response to the actual topic, I agree with people changing the scores with time. Although in my case, I rarely drop the score of an anime as I progress, the only exception being Shippuuden which started as a 9 I think, and dropped to a 7. It's bordering on the 6 mark but hey, I love naruto T.T. Normally I raise my scores as I watch the anime more and become more attached to it. |
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| for me personally, a lot of the shows i didnt like i watched simply because i started them. Once i start something it takes a lot for me to stop watching it (especially if i have all the episodes downloded because then its like a marathon to me.) but that happens with TV too. i get sucked into watching trashy shows like i love new york, and flavor of love, just because there are marathons of it.... lol sometimes i've watched series hoping they get better. Kiminozo comes to mind. The first episode got me hooked and i was really excited to watch it, but it just got worse and worse with each episode. School days was similar, but the end made it worth it. oh and for rating, i think it does depend on how they choose to rate their shows. for me most of the anime i watch is "fine" (6)or "good"(7) because its entertaining so i rate it as such. also, people do change their rate as they get further into the show. i know i do. |
| I feel the same way. |
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| Whenever I watch a series, I always complete it, even if I don't like it, and I don't rate it until I've seen every episode. There are a few series I didn't complete, but they're not exactly notable, so I didn't bother adding them to my list. I could list them as "dropped" if I wanted to, but I don't remember the details, such as the number of episodes I watched. As for my method of rating, 10-9 are for my favourites, 8-7 are good, 6-5 are average, and anything lower is bad. I gave some series a 10, not because they're perfect or "masterpieces", but because it's simply the highest score I can give. |
SubstanceDMar 16, 2008 11:33 AM
| In response to the original question (get this back on topic), many people are completists. I, for example, have nerves of steel and can sit through almost any kind of crap (I managed things like S.I.C.K. & Titanic, and I've found no non-hentai anime I despise as much as those). And once I start something, I have this desire to finish it, even if I'm not too thrilled. If nothing else, I have more credibility as a detractor, and can always get a group of friends together and MST3K it. Really, I rarely find a title, anime or otherwise, than I can't find something to like about. In the end, you can get entertainment value from just about anything if you actually TRY. Yes, I firmly believe that "I couldn't watch it" and similar excuses are merely cop-outs. On the other hand, a lot of us actually support the industry (GASP!), and I'm sure there are plenty of others like me who graciously watched anything that popped up on TV simply to show support. It didn't matter if we didn't like it - the point was to let the networks know that we watch anime. |
ErwinJAMar 16, 2008 12:55 PM
Kionniko said: That's it for me there. I didn't really like how Eureka Seven started off, but it was pretty decent after I watched the whole thing.For sake of completing? Least they actually watched the shows before hating. Some people watch 1 episode of some show, rates it low and drops it without even giving it a chance. =/ |
| They're stupid darling, that's why. I have many Currently Watching, but I will continue to currently watch them and then if I realise that they suck, I DROP them with the lowest score of 4. Never lower. I think. |
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| yeah....i agree |
| I watch a lot of stuff that I think isn't so great, even some shows I would even consider bad. I usually continue with them because I hate dropping shows, and that I hope they'll become better. As for other people, everyone is different, and some people are more objective than others. Some people may consider a show to not be of the greatest quality from an objective standpoint, but still enjoy watching it. |
| I will usually watch about 20 episodes of a long series before making up my mind. The reason for me is because the first 12 episodes of Sailor Moon are horrible, but from then on they get better (except for most of SuperS in my opinion.). So maybe they just want to give it a chance. Or...there is also the fact that a lot of people want to watch a whole anime people talk about all the time, even if they don't like it, just so they know what people are talking about. |
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| I know people who don't believe in dropping series; why people would ever think this way is beyond me. I know I've downloaded some mediocre series, KNOWING they were mediocre, for various reasons. i.e. Pita Ten because it's a happy-go-lucky show that acts as depression medicine when used in small doses. |
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| Optimism, perhaps thinking that hopefully it'll get better as it goes along, which may or may not be the case for a lot of anime out there that start off slow but get progressively stronger as they develop. I personally used to do it for completion's sake; but later realized that I was wasting my time on a lot of shows that never got better. Though nearly everything I've dropped (the few exceptions on the list are only because I never got back to them, not because I didn't enjoy them) I've followed after with blogs and realized that I wouldn't have enjoyed it regardless, saving myself a load of time that is then better spent on more quality shows and the like. |
| In my case, when I started watching anime, I didn't really know what was good and what was bad, so I watched everything I got my hands on. As I got exposed to more anime, I realized how much some of the shows sucked, so my opinion (and scores) of them changed. As for completing shows you know you're not going to like, I have finished watching a series just because one of my favorite fansubbers worked on the project and I downloaded the batch torrent before previewing the show. Since I had already downloaded them, I kept watching, hoping the show would get better. Once I got past the halfway point, I was too far in to drop it =). Nowadays, if I go through 3 or more episodes and I'm unimpressed, I'll put the series on hold and just keep up with story developments through anime bloggers. If I don't get interested within a month, I just drop the show completely. |
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| i have watched a long 2-5 anime.. i hate not seeing the end:D |
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| it's simple. I don't rate things I've dropped at such a small amount.... I just drop it. :P and as for rating.. our rating system is kind of fucked up... everything is around a 7/8 for everyone. Those who try to use the full spectrum get messed up compatibility and then others are like "why do you rate so harshly". Thus, I go with the school system. back on topic: after watching 100 eps of naruto, I feel I am allowed to rate it :P (unlike most I have dropped) |
| I think a better question is why do people drop series that they rate > 7? Seen it on numerous people's lists now. |
| I dunno, ask my friend, he watches all kind of crap and says it alright. :S I once tried to complete X tv but it was too horrible. |
| I did that with "Tsubasa Chronicle" and "Tsubasa Chronicle second season" they were complete and utter crap, and I could tell that before I finished. Still, since Tsubasa RESERVoir CHRoNiCLE is my favorite manga I kept thinking "maybe it'll get better." It didn't, but I finished the entire series. I still stand by my rating. Utter crap. |
iwatch2muchanime said: Faust721 said: completeling a show gives you full right and credibilty to say it sucks. Exactly, if you watch 4 episodes of a series andfully give it a 2/10 score and ttry and rag on it and whenever it comes up, you're an idiot who doesn't have a right to sayanything until it's finished, you can still hate it all you want, butyou need to realize you have nothing on it. If your stupid enough to watch something you dont like. I dont think you have much of a right to bitch about the series either, because no one forced that person to be that stupid. |
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| I disagree that a person's average rating ought to be a 5. For me, 5 denotes an average show, but if it doesn't have more substance than that it probably won't hold my interest. If it's any worse, chances are I won't finish it unless it's really short. So while 4 and 5 aren't bad, rating-wise, they aren't usually good enough for me to watch and enjoy. The way people use the rating system here bothers me a bit though - beyond not making sense, considering 5 and even 6 a "bad" score really throws off the averages. It's incredibly rare to see a show below a 6 or much above an 8... the average score range is so compressed that they're a lot less useful than they should be for gauging a show's quality. Anyway, I guess that's all kinda off-topic. I don't really understand watching a show you don't like, but that's because I always have so much else waiting for me - I'm not lacking in other things to entertain myself with, so time spent on something I don't enjoy would be a waste. |
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| because when you run outa things to watch animes like digimon and maple story are fun to watch ... lol i just looked back and i wonder why did i watch all 3 seasons of beyblade. |
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Asako said: I think a better question is why do people drop series that they rate > 7? Seen it on numerous people's lists now. I've dropped animes I've thought were fairly good, just because I don't have any time and don't see myself seeing them anytime in the near future, considering my on hold section is pretty filled up. Sometimes, I might just choose an anime I rated 6 over an anime rated 7 just because I feel it has more potential than the other as a whole series or if it's a genre I don't have too much in my list (like choosing an action anime over a shoujo anime) |
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Sandgolem said: iwatch2muchanime said: Faust721 said: completeling a show gives you full right and credibilty to say it sucks. Exactly, if you watch 4 episodes of a series andfully give it a 2/10 score and ttry and rag on it and whenever it comes up, you're an idiot who doesn't have a right to sayanything until it's finished, you can still hate it all you want, butyou need to realize you have nothing on it. If your stupid enough to watch something you dont like. I dont think you have much of a right to bitch about the series either, because no one forced that person to be that stupid. But they do have the right to do so, they can bitch about it all they want if they finished it, they're not complaining about them having to watch it, they're complaining about how much they hate it, and if they finished it they can say how much they hate it all they want. IF they're complaining about having to watch it, then your point becomes true. |
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TheBastid said: Why do people go to McDonalds?? It's high class food. |
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| Some people might not be very fond of dropping anime, no matter how much they might suck. They will force themselves to finish it (I had to do that with some, but I am a bit more lenient with my ratings). |
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emrfish6 said: Some people might not be very fond of dropping anime, no matter how much they might suck. They will force themselves to finish it (I had to do that with some, but I am a bit more lenient with my ratings). That's my friend in a nutshell. He's seen every single episode so far of Naruto. He's come to hate it after all the filler and drawn out episodes but whenever I ask why he doesn't drop it he says he's basically forcing himself through it since he's invested so much time into it already. I can't do that personally. I do drop series but there are some that I'm able to see all the way through if it's not a ton of episodes. If a bad series drags on 40, 50 60+ episodes, chances grow higher that I'll drop it. |
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| Most of the stuff I've rated low were 1 episode OVAs or something, but there is a series I saw through to the end (okay, 13 episodes..but still) which I still think sucked. I just didn't want to drop it because I felt like I was dropping a lot. |
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