Tokyo Ghoul:re Chapter 125 Discussion

May 24, 2017 10:22 AM

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Fay207 said:

Shadow_Star_ said:

Don't read seinen, Kaneki's character needed to be fleshed out in every aspects of life (since he is the protagonist), sex is a part of life, it's not that difficult to understand.

Unless he was asexual but since chapter 1 we know that he isn't one.

As i said im not against the sex am against the method they delivered the massage
They could delevier the massage without putting porn style sex scenes
I prefer sticking to it general style

I think the reason for going so far with this scene was for impact. It is honestly a beautiful scene full of symbolism and doing something like skipping it and hinting something happened would not give us a true understanding of how strong their romantic relationship is. In comparison to other sex scenes I have seen in Manga this one is really innocent and not the porn you find in 90% other Manga with sex scenes.

It is also the moment in TG Ken finds Happiness and a reason to live so Ishida skipping that would have been torture for the fans like skipping the fight with Aura and Morgan at the prison which I hated seeing be skipped cause i was hyped a whole week to see that shit go down. Plus your reading a seinen not a shonen. This next battle is hinted to being an end game for :re so getting so see these two characters get this type of development is a amazing.

May 24, 2017 10:50 AM

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In all probability discussion about chapter 125 will go for a decade now.

May 24, 2017 10:59 AM

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brokenbutwhole said:
In all probability discussion about chapter 125 will go for a decade now.

It was better if this series wasn't so famous. Immature people shouldn't read this kind of story.

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May 24, 2017 11:11 AM

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Anime Remake by Ufotable or Madhouse when?

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May 24, 2017 3:14 PM

#255

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You're simply distorting reality on you own view, the genres of this manga is seinen so don't be surprised if there are sex scene. It's not a matter of taste. That's it.

And are you telling me that you didn't expect that at some point there would be a sex scene in TG? If so you don't understand what's this story about.

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May 24, 2017 4:12 PM

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Wasn't expecting a whole chapter of consummation.

May 24, 2017 10:10 PM

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Fay207 said:

Cyborg_Dragon said:

I think the reason for going so far with this scene was for impact. It is honestly a beautiful scene full of symbolism and doing something like skipping it and hinting something happened would not give us a true understanding of how strong their romantic relationship is. In comparison to other sex scenes I have seen in Manga this one is really innocent and not the porn you find in 90% other Manga with sex scenes.

It is also the moment in TG Ken finds Happiness and a reason to live so Ishida skipping that would have been torture for the fans like skipping the fight with Aura and Morgan at the prison which I hated seeing be skipped cause i was hyped a whole week to see that shit go down. Plus your reading a seinen not a shonen. This next battle is hinted to being an end game for :re so getting so see these two characters get this type of development is a amazing.

I know the difference between the manga types i've read manga like berserk which included way further than than these scenes, and I couldn't oppose to it as it seemed that it matched and was needed to hint the readers about the smallest details which effects the whole story, but for this manga, I didn't see the need and I felt like it didn't match therefore I preferred if it sticked to what it was. I hope you could understand what Im trying to indicates without losing respect to each of others view of point

It should still be expected we get a scene like this at some point since its a Seinen. The reason we have never seen anything like it before is because this stuff realistically does not happen all the time and I like that Ishida put it in the later parts of the story rather then have a sex scene or nudity every 3 or 5 chapters.

May 25, 2017 9:58 AM

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Cyborg_Dragon said:

Fay207 said:

I know the difference between the manga types i've read manga like berserk which included way further than than these scenes, and I couldn't oppose to it as it seemed that it matched and was needed to hint the readers about the smallest details which effects the whole story, but for this manga, I didn't see the need and I felt like it didn't match therefore I preferred if it sticked to what it was. I hope you could understand what Im trying to indicates without losing respect to each of others view of point

It should still be expected we get a scene like this at some point since its a Seinen. The reason we have never seen anything like it before is because this stuff realistically does not happen all the time and I like that Ishida put it in the later parts of the story rather then have a sex scene or nudity every 3 or 5 chapters.

Cyborg_Dragon said:

Fay207 said:

I know the difference between the manga types i've read manga like berserk which included way further than than these scenes, and I couldn't oppose to it as it seemed that it matched and was needed to hint the readers about the smallest details which effects the whole story, but for this manga, I didn't see the need and I felt like it didn't match therefore I preferred if it sticked to what it was. I hope you could understand what Im trying to indicates without losing respect to each of others view of point

It should still be expected we get a scene like this at some point since its a Seinen. The reason we have never seen anything like it before is because this stuff realistically does not happen all the time and I like that Ishida put it in the later parts of the story rather then have a sex scene or nudity every 3 or 5 chapters.

lololol, i put a sexual scene at eps 9 and some kissing scene at eps 15. and... the jerk off scene at the EoE, and my anime won some awards and still lit for a decade.

May 25, 2017 11:01 AM

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sonnestark said:
so tg:re is a hentai manga now...

nope they didn't show dick or vagina
But if it is it is most certainty the best hentia manga ever created

May 25, 2017 11:39 PM

#260

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l really didn't want to see this.

May 26, 2017 2:01 AM

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Tbh, I've been waiting for my Touka x Kaneki ship to sail since the very beginning, and yet, never did I ever imagine that Ishida Sui would make it happen like this... ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) hahah, but tbh, I'm not sure how to feel about this. This chapter is more of a guilty pleasure for me, but it does kinda suck that there wasn't really any plot progression, but oh well. Time for me to go on hiatus with this manga again, until I can binge it again.

♔

caught in the wonder

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May 26, 2017 2:51 AM

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I heard Ishida has been receiving death threats and "kill yourself" messages, along with some people calling him homophobic etc. This is beyond ridiculous.

As far as I remember, the whole Tokyo Ghoul started because Kaneki wanted to go on a date with a girl (Rize).

May 26, 2017 5:46 AM

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Shicchi said:
OH MY GOD IS THIS REAL WT OMG WHAT WAIT IT'S REAL? NO NO IT CAN'T BE? HOW?
IT'S REAL OMG OMG NO

Even though you knew it from the start but to have it blatantly explicitly shown in a full chapter it's like a slap in the face then a stab at your heart again and again and again every pages.. this never happened to me before tbh I'm shook and I'm not even that deep with my OTP in this fandom... Ishida is merciless oh god I can't... I forgot this is not a shounen... but oh god help me... where is my fellow hidekane shipper we n-need t-to regroup and stay strong don't let this sink our shi-p *chokes* we've been through so muchh oh god I-I thought with hide's gone it would be the worst pain we gotta endure but then this... why Ishida you could have just implied the aftermath in a panel or something but a full chapter I

I think I can't take it anymore I'm off the canon realm until the day hide come back my ray of sun shine
Ishida the least you can do now is bring my hide back, fuck touken I don't care anymore just bring. Hide. Back.

I FEEL YOU FAM THEY CANT JUST SHOW US TOUKEN CANON LIKE THAT
... my hidekane heart is breaking... but still gotta credit ishida sui for being savage af

May 26, 2017 8:24 AM

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GodYagami said:
I heard Ishida has been receiving death threats and "kill yourself" messages, along with some people calling him homophobic etc. This is beyond ridiculous.

As far as I remember, the whole Tokyo Ghoul started because Kaneki wanted to go on a date with a girl (Rize).

Wow they took it way too far. O.O

Pfft as if a simple date with a chick could dissuade us
It's just proof that Kaneki is not gay. There is other options such as "bi" or "gay for you" route *wink*

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May 26, 2017 8:25 AM

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sumusiko said:

Maledict said:
Credit where it's due - when he decided he'd illustrate it, Ishida didn't pussy out and showed as much as possible for publishing.

Guess that was that for the Uta clone theories, doubt he's that dedicated, lmao.

You mean like anyone that's not a (pre)teen and no longer thinks sex is the world? I mean, I'm seriously having trouble not cringing at the "best chapter ever" comments.

But it truly was the best chapter ever?

Not really because of the sex scenes but rather because of the meaning.

I hate MCs that cry during sex, never found a single anime / manga that actually justified MC crying just because he had sex but with Kaneki its completely different.

Everyone ITT knows exactly through how much shit this guy has went through, if you take your time to think about how you'd be feeling in his situation you'd understand.

It's not about the sex that he's crying, he's crying because he now knows that he finally found someone that can help him shoulder his responsibilities & help him endure all the emotions he kept boiling inside of him for all these years after all the shit hes been through.

The page where he cries & the last page were so damn fucking emotional that it truly made this to be one of the most important & amazing chapters I've ever read.

Watching Kaneki lay naked on Touka's thighs just shows how broken he really was and how much he needed someone to be by his side all along

Hah I'm seriously just stoked right now. The fans' ability to twist things to their own beliefs is as amazing as ever.

There were far more emotional, thought-provoking and symbolical chapters than this, counting both :re and the prequel. Literally all of the things you listed are just transformed points that have already been said for a dozen of other chapters, only in a different setting and done better. Can't even comprehend how someone who's (supposedly) read the entirety of this manga without only waiting for a trivial pairing to happen can make that statement. You're stretching out something you liked and blowing it out of proportion because you, subconsciously or not, just waited for and/or loved this scene, so your mind is searching for ways to make it more relevant than it is. I can understand how some of the things you wrote make this an okay/good chapter, but one of the better ones or the best? Can only roll my eyes and try to write a reply that would come off as remotely demeaning as possible.

Though you can keep believing yourself with that first sentence of your post - that's what opinions are for, after all. It can be the best chapter for you, doesn't mean it truly is.

Far from it, actually.

phxntomhiveghoul said:
ok i don't think anyone understands how loudly i was screaming. i've been waiting for this since chapter one of the original manga

^ .... Yeah.

All of you in a nutshell. Some rationalize it better than others, though with hollow arguments, others just say Ishida is a god or write a one-liner about how it's the best thing they've read.

Is what is, I guess.

MaledictMay 26, 2017 8:52 AM

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May 26, 2017 8:26 AM

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MimiJae said:

Shicchi said:
OH MY GOD IS THIS REAL WT OMG WHAT WAIT IT'S REAL? NO NO IT CAN'T BE? HOW?
IT'S REAL OMG OMG NO

Even though you knew it from the start but to have it blatantly explicitly shown in a full chapter it's like a slap in the face then a stab at your heart again and again and again every pages.. this never happened to me before tbh I'm shook and I'm not even that deep with my OTP in this fandom... Ishida is merciless oh god I can't... I forgot this is not a shounen... but oh god help me... where is my fellow hidekane shipper we n-need t-to regroup and stay strong don't let this sink our shi-p *chokes* we've been through so muchh oh god I-I thought with hide's gone it would be the worst pain we gotta endure but then this... why Ishida you could have just implied the aftermath in a panel or something but a full chapter I

I think I can't take it anymore I'm off the canon realm until the day hide come back my ray of sun shine
Ishida the least you can do now is bring my hide back, fuck touken I don't care anymore just bring. Hide. Back.

I FEEL YOU FAM THEY CANT JUST SHOW US TOUKEN CANON LIKE THAT
... my hidekane heart is breaking... but still gotta credit ishida sui for being savage af

*hugs*
Let's just live in fanfics and doujins for the time being until the day Hide is back and have an emotional reunion with Kaneki :>

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May 26, 2017 3:01 PM

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Maledict said:

sumusiko said:

But it truly was the best chapter ever?

Not really because of the sex scenes but rather because of the meaning.

I hate MCs that cry during sex, never found a single anime / manga that actually justified MC crying just because he had sex but with Kaneki its completely different.

Everyone ITT knows exactly through how much shit this guy has went through, if you take your time to think about how you'd be feeling in his situation you'd understand.

It's not about the sex that he's crying, he's crying because he now knows that he finally found someone that can help him shoulder his responsibilities & help him endure all the emotions he kept boiling inside of him for all these years after all the shit hes been through.

The page where he cries & the last page were so damn fucking emotional that it truly made this to be one of the most important & amazing chapters I've ever read.

Watching Kaneki lay naked on Touka's thighs just shows how broken he really was and how much he needed someone to be by his side all along

Hah I'm seriously just stoked right now. The fans' ability to twist things to their own beliefs is as amazing as ever.

There were far more emotional, thought-provoking and symbolical chapters than this, counting both :re and the prequel. Literally all of the things you listed are just transformed points that have already been said for a dozen of other chapters, only in a different setting and done better. Can't even comprehend how someone who's (supposedly) read the entirety of this manga without only waiting for a trivial pairing to happen can make that statement. You're stretching out something you liked and blowing it out of proportion because you, subconsciously or not, just waited for and/or loved this scene, so your mind is searching for ways to make it more relevant than it is. I can understand how some of the things you wrote make this an okay/good chapter, but one of the better ones or the best? Can only roll my eyes and try to write a reply that would come off as remotely demeaning as possible.

Though you can keep believing yourself with that first sentence of your post - that's what opinions are for, after all. It can be the best chapter for you, doesn't mean it truly is.

Far from it, actually.

phxntomhiveghoul said:
ok i don't think anyone understands how loudly i was screaming. i've been waiting for this since chapter one of the original manga

^ .... Yeah.

All of you in a nutshell. Some rationalize it better than others, though with hollow arguments, others just say Ishida is a god or write a one-liner about how it's the best thing they've read.

Is what is, I guess.

I'm kind of puzzled as to why people seem to think this is chapter is so amazing. It would've been amazing Kaneki and Touka being in love would actually make sense, which it doesn't.

As stated above, the pairing is trivial. They knew each other briefly, then didn't talk for over two years. Their only proper conversation happened a couple of chapters ago. It actually feels like shitty writing when you ram this down our throats like this.

Also, lol @

sumusiko said:
It's not about the sex that he's crying, he's crying because he now knows that he finally found someone that can help him shoulder his responsibilities & help him endure all the emotions he kept boiling inside of him for all these years after all the shit hes been through.

this.

So only after Kaneki has sex with someone can he talk to them about his troubles? lmao.

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May 26, 2017 3:47 PM

#268

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I finally don't just masturbate about Touka, I fucked her!

May 26, 2017 5:09 PM

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Oh man, haven't posted anything in a while now :o

Well, this chapter just gave me the feeling, which was absent for a long time, of wanting to skip a week and read the next publication right away!

Seriously though, it was well done. I always fear that this kind of scenes can be drawn with really no tact, but that wasn't the case here. The way it was drawn itself is honestly great, not just the composition of some of the larger frames and the artwork in general, but the layout of each box, just argh! More of this kind of designs, please!

And finally, what was teased back in the prequel finally came true. I kind of don't get this whole feeling of the chemistry between Touka and Kaneki being "out of nowhere". Damn, they've spent some good quality time together, been through many obstacles, but most importantly, cared for each other despite the absence of the other.

Even before the Owl Supression Arc it was hella confirmed that these two were not just friends and held much deeper feeling for one another (though not precised yet if these were romantic). Even when our Edge King left Anteiku, thoughts of him were present in Touka's mind pretty often. Not only that, but the point of :Re caffe was to, kind of, be a place where the lost ones (ie. Kaneki/Haise) can come back to once they've faced their past.

And if someone points at the lack of time to get this ship going... Well, I kind of don't see the connection between time having known each other and the quality of feelings towards one another. And it's not like they haven't spent much time together, they pretty much have in the prequel, as Haise was often visiting :Re, and after the Arima's death.

Besides that, it's a first time being in a relationship for each of them. How long have you known your first lover before things took on? Of course, it's a personal thing and will differ for many people, but the things is - whether it was a long or a short time, it's how you spent that time that matters. In this case, I buy this relationship, as not only have they spent more than enough time to know each other on somewhat engaging level, but also have shown to care for each other back in the original TG.

But what am I doing, defending fictional character's relationship? XD

Back to the artwork,
I love the way Ishida put some more light-hearted moments. It really felt like it was their first time, and I definitely got the vibe of how personal the whole act was.

And it's also the first time where I kind of don't mind having the MC cry during the sex scene. It just fits the whole narrative of wanting to protect people close to you and missing the point of it all completely for years, putting yourself in front of other's lives instead of thinking how it would affect those who care about you if you died.

Having finally found the reason to care not only about the others but also about yourself is what this chapter was really about for me. And the last page with the butterfly wings shape coming from Kaneki's back, ahh, the beauty of art and metaphors.

All in all, it was pretty damn good :)

BloodyJawMay 26, 2017 5:17 PM

May 26, 2017 5:53 PM

#270

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This chapter was very good.

May 26, 2017 7:19 PM

#271

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SeidouTZ said:

phxntomhiveghoul said:
ok i don't think anyone understands how loudly i was screaming. i've been waiting for this since chapter one of the original manga: that's 267 chapters ago. 5 years in the manga.
some people may say touka and kaneki rushed into having sex. but let me explain:
kaneki needed this. this chapter showed a MASSIVE change in kaneki's psychology. he has been denied love from people most important to him multiple times and now that he finally has what he's been searching for, his journey to discovering who he was is almost complete. touka was his Sun tarot, as the last page of chapter symbolized. the Sun tarot represents attained knowledge and bringing hope for the future as well as optimism, enlightenment, assurance, and splendor. but the sun reverse indicates that finding the positive aspects to a situation may be difficult. but the sun is never a negative card, so this is only temporary. i think when we see kaneki crying this may symbolize his struggle to find something he already has: love - something he's always been searching for. but now he's finally realizing that he's been loved for a long time.

ANYWAY....

there is NO WAY ishida-sensei would write an entire chapter of touken sex having no meaning AT ALL. he's never done that. he's always put every chapter, scene, and dialogue with meaning.
this is helping kaneki's development as a character. you have to remember that he is a suicidal person who feels alone and sad all the time but in this chapter he's crying because he feels loved and wanted.

so, the question remains: did touka and kaneki rush into having sex? yes. but that's the point - in no way does that make it meaningless.
kaneki and touka's hideout has been found. their faces have been revealed. kaneki is the most wanted ghoul in japan, and a war is about to start. people are going to die. and they both know it can be either one of them at any time. they don't have time to wait for the "perfect moment." because there's a good chance neither of them will get to see it.
touka has experienced enough loss to know that she has to live for the living and do whatever she can to keep those people alive. yeah she'll fight to protect kaneki, but that's not what it's always about: with kaneki being suicidal in the past, she's giving her best to give him a reason to live. she's letting him know that he is loved, even though she struggles to express her emotions. kaneki needs to know that he's loved right now.
kaneki has felt so lonely since hide disappeared. but now touka is there with him and for him and loving him and he's not alone anymore. yes, that doesn't mean they had to have sex to show their love but they've loved each other since the beginning. even when kaneki was haise he still had feelings for her.

what i'm trying to say is that this is part of the plot. ishida-sensei has a reason for doing this and not just for the fanservice. this is a seinen. most seinens only have characters having sex for the hell of it. but he did this for kaneki's development. i'm honestly so glad sensei chose to make this chapter the way it is bc it has a powerful meaning and not like other seinens, which just have sex for only the character's entertainment.

ps: i fucking loved this chapter. i love these characters and i've loved this story since the beginning. i woke up yesterday morning and immediately opened my manga app on my phone and started reading and actually thought i was reading the wrong manga for a second. but yeah. that's my view. let me know what you think.

That comment seems oddly directed towards what i said so let me refute some of your main points.
1- Apart from the last page (which also is tied with the butterfly in the beginning) there is no deeper meaning to anything else that was happening.
2- Contrary to what you said, kaneki is no longer a suicidal person, that is something has been already established long ago in his battle agains Arima, which made him realize there are people that care for him and want him to keep on living. Kaneki crying durring this chapter might be a way to reinforce that sentiment but overall was unnecessary.
3- Regardless of this being a seinen or not making a whole chapter centered around sex is still ludicrous. The plot did not move forward and we could very well just had read a actual vanilla doushinji that would had been the exact same.
Ishida should had either implied that they did it or had compress everything in ~10 pages max.

Chapter like this are a complete waste of time. But hey i guess going for purely shock value is worth applauding more than actually good writing apparently ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

i don't think you understand what i'm saying:
kaneki left touka twice, and now he's finally here to stay. when he looked at touka like he looked at rize three years ago, even as haise, that immediately told us that kaneki loved her. and when touka initiated the kiss, that had the same effect.
you have to remember that we have never seen ishida use anything just for the hell of it- it ALWAYS has some sort of effect to the plot.
he showed them having sex because it kinda needed to happen. yeah it may have been fanservice (i'm not complaining) but it shows how much kaneki has opened up since the beginning of his story.

May 27, 2017 2:02 AM

#272

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Maledict said:

sumusiko said:

But it truly was the best chapter ever?

Not really because of the sex scenes but rather because of the meaning.

I hate MCs that cry during sex, never found a single anime / manga that actually justified MC crying just because he had sex but with Kaneki its completely different.

Everyone ITT knows exactly through how much shit this guy has went through, if you take your time to think about how you'd be feeling in his situation you'd understand.

It's not about the sex that he's crying, he's crying because he now knows that he finally found someone that can help him shoulder his responsibilities & help him endure all the emotions he kept boiling inside of him for all these years after all the shit hes been through.

The page where he cries & the last page were so damn fucking emotional that it truly made this to be one of the most important & amazing chapters I've ever read.

Watching Kaneki lay naked on Touka's thighs just shows how broken he really was and how much he needed someone to be by his side all along

Hah I'm seriously just stoked right now. The fans' ability to twist things to their own beliefs is as amazing as ever.

There were far more emotional, thought-provoking and symbolical chapters than this, counting both :re and the prequel. Literally all of the things you listed are just transformed points that have already been said for a dozen of other chapters, only in a different setting and done better. Can't even comprehend how someone who's (supposedly) read the entirety of this manga without only waiting for a trivial pairing to happen can make that statement. You're stretching out something you liked and blowing it out of proportion because you, subconsciously or not, just waited for and/or loved this scene, so your mind is searching for ways to make it more relevant than it is. I can understand how some of the things you wrote make this an okay/good chapter, but one of the better ones or the best? Can only roll my eyes and try to write a reply that would come off as remotely demeaning as possible.

Though you can keep believing yourself with that first sentence of your post - that's what opinions are for, after all. It can be the best chapter for you, doesn't mean it truly is.

Far from it, actually.

phxntomhiveghoul said:
ok i don't think anyone understands how loudly i was screaming. i've been waiting for this since chapter one of the original manga

^ .... Yeah.

All of you in a nutshell. Some rationalize it better than others, though with hollow arguments, others just say Ishida is a god or write a one-liner about how it's the best thing they've read.

Is what is, I guess.

Actually, there weren't. There are far too few happy moments for Kaneki in this manga.

This IS the chapter where Kaneki will most likely have stopped his suicidal thoughts that hes had since TG Part 1.

His friends were never capable of "helping" him enough to make him give a go at life without any type of sadness or suicidal thoughts, yet this chapter, actually, Touka is the one who made him change after expressing her love for him, the fact that he could reciprocate that love helped him immensely with his mental fortitude.

I'm way too busy lately with my job to be typing huge ass messages like last weekend but thats the a nice resume of what I wanted to say.

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May 27, 2017 2:10 AM

#273

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Kvothe51 said:

Maledict said:

Hah I'm seriously just stoked right now. The fans' ability to twist things to their own beliefs is as amazing as ever.

There were far more emotional, thought-provoking and symbolical chapters than this, counting both :re and the prequel. Literally all of the things you listed are just transformed points that have already been said for a dozen of other chapters, only in a different setting and done better. Can't even comprehend how someone who's (supposedly) read the entirety of this manga without only waiting for a trivial pairing to happen can make that statement. You're stretching out something you liked and blowing it out of proportion because you, subconsciously or not, just waited for and/or loved this scene, so your mind is searching for ways to make it more relevant than it is. I can understand how some of the things you wrote make this an okay/good chapter, but one of the better ones or the best? Can only roll my eyes and try to write a reply that would come off as remotely demeaning as possible.

Though you can keep believing yourself with that first sentence of your post - that's what opinions are for, after all. It can be the best chapter for you, doesn't mean it truly is.

Far from it, actually.

^ .... Yeah.

All of you in a nutshell. Some rationalize it better than others, though with hollow arguments, others just say Ishida is a god or write a one-liner about how it's the best thing they've read.

Is what is, I guess.

I'm kind of puzzled as to why people seem to think this is chapter is so amazing. It would've been amazing Kaneki and Touka being in love would actually make sense, which it doesn't.

As stated above, the pairing is trivial. They knew each other briefly, then didn't talk for over two years. Their only proper conversation happened a couple of chapters ago. It actually feels like shitty writing when you ram this down our throats like this.

Also, lol @

sumusiko said:
It's not about the sex that he's crying, he's crying because he now knows that he finally found someone that can help him shoulder his responsibilities & help him endure all the emotions he kept boiling inside of him for all these years after all the shit hes been through.

this.

So only after Kaneki has sex with someone can he talk to them about his troubles? lmao.

But it does?

It's been foreshadowing ever since TG Part 1? Especially Touka's feelings.

Kaneki was a lot more reserved but still showed protective instincts over her in TG 1 which he didn't for anyone else.

Sure they haven't really talked that much ever since he became Sasaki Haise, but is there really a need for that? She clearly waited for him all these years, plus, it's said that Sasaki would often visit the coffee shop & take sneek peeks at her like he used to do with Rize.

Not only that but also this:

https://i.imgur.com/ByGt8u1.jpg

Now don't come and tell me that it doesn't make sense when it does make perfect sense.

& No, like I said it's not about the Sex, it's about loving and feeling loved. His friends were never enough to make Kaneki feel "at home" or "comfortable" with his life. He has always had suicidal thoughts since TG part 1 and only after these emotionals scenes will he be able to forget about his suicidal thoughts and give life another try, together with Touka.

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May 27, 2017 5:04 AM

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I'm happy but Kaneki crying was a little too much but I understand why he did tho.

May 27, 2017 5:30 AM

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phxntomhiveghoul said:

SeidouTZ said:

phxntomhiveghoul said:
ok i don't think anyone understands how loudly i was screaming. i've been waiting for this since chapter one of the original manga: that's 267 chapters ago. 5 years in the manga.
some people may say touka and kaneki rushed into having sex. but let me explain:
kaneki needed this. this chapter showed a MASSIVE change in kaneki's psychology. he has been denied love from people most important to him multiple times and now that he finally has what he's been searching for, his journey to discovering who he was is almost complete. touka was his Sun tarot, as the last page of chapter symbolized. the Sun tarot represents attained knowledge and bringing hope for the future as well as optimism, enlightenment, assurance, and splendor. but the sun reverse indicates that finding the positive aspects to a situation may be difficult. but the sun is never a negative card, so this is only temporary. i think when we see kaneki crying this may symbolize his struggle to find something he already has: love - something he's always been searching for. but now he's finally realizing that he's been loved for a long time.

ANYWAY....

there is NO WAY ishida-sensei would write an entire chapter of touken sex having no meaning AT ALL. he's never done that. he's always put every chapter, scene, and dialogue with meaning.
this is helping kaneki's development as a character. you have to remember that he is a suicidal person who feels alone and sad all the time but in this chapter he's crying because he feels loved and wanted.

so, the question remains: did touka and kaneki rush into having sex? yes. but that's the point - in no way does that make it meaningless.
kaneki and touka's hideout has been found. their faces have been revealed. kaneki is the most wanted ghoul in japan, and a war is about to start. people are going to die. and they both know it can be either one of them at any time. they don't have time to wait for the "perfect moment." because there's a good chance neither of them will get to see it.
touka has experienced enough loss to know that she has to live for the living and do whatever she can to keep those people alive. yeah she'll fight to protect kaneki, but that's not what it's always about: with kaneki being suicidal in the past, she's giving her best to give him a reason to live. she's letting him know that he is loved, even though she struggles to express her emotions. kaneki needs to know that he's loved right now.
kaneki has felt so lonely since hide disappeared. but now touka is there with him and for him and loving him and he's not alone anymore. yes, that doesn't mean they had to have sex to show their love but they've loved each other since the beginning. even when kaneki was haise he still had feelings for her.

what i'm trying to say is that this is part of the plot. ishida-sensei has a reason for doing this and not just for the fanservice. this is a seinen. most seinens only have characters having sex for the hell of it. but he did this for kaneki's development. i'm honestly so glad sensei chose to make this chapter the way it is bc it has a powerful meaning and not like other seinens, which just have sex for only the character's entertainment.

ps: i fucking loved this chapter. i love these characters and i've loved this story since the beginning. i woke up yesterday morning and immediately opened my manga app on my phone and started reading and actually thought i was reading the wrong manga for a second. but yeah. that's my view. let me know what you think.

That comment seems oddly directed towards what i said so let me refute some of your main points.
1- Apart from the last page (which also is tied with the butterfly in the beginning) there is no deeper meaning to anything else that was happening.
2- Contrary to what you said, kaneki is no longer a suicidal person, that is something has been already established long ago in his battle agains Arima, which made him realize there are people that care for him and want him to keep on living. Kaneki crying durring this chapter might be a way to reinforce that sentiment but overall was unnecessary.
3- Regardless of this being a seinen or not making a whole chapter centered around sex is still ludicrous. The plot did not move forward and we could very well just had read a actual vanilla doushinji that would had been the exact same.
Ishida should had either implied that they did it or had compress everything in ~10 pages max.

Chapter like this are a complete waste of time. But hey i guess going for purely shock value is worth applauding more than actually good writing apparently ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

i don't think you understand what i'm saying:
kaneki left touka twice, and now he's finally here to stay. when he looked at touka like he looked at rize three years ago, even as haise, that immediately told us that kaneki loved her. and when touka initiated the kiss, that had the same effect.
you have to remember that we have never seen ishida use anything just for the hell of it- it ALWAYS has some sort of effect to the plot.
he showed them having sex because it kinda needed to happen. yeah it may have been fanservice (i'm not complaining) but it shows how much kaneki has opened up since the beginning of his story.

Everything you are saying is nothing more than mindless conjecture.
Kaneki is here to stay? What page in this pointless chapter guarantees you that he, as the leader of the organization, will survive everything or stay with her to the bitter end?
If he left her twice more reason as to why their pairing makes no sense. There was no major dialogue after everyone got reunited or anything that lead to the idea that both might still had feeling for one another.

Plz stop putting Ishida in a pedestal as if he is this god-like writer, he really isn't...
I will reaffirm what i said in my last comment: this chapter is just pointless sex with some mindless symbolism thrown in the last page, that depending on how you interpreted can either mean Kaneki "rebirth" or his dead (which i am leaning towards the last because i am growing sick and tired of seeing Kaneki reinvent himself again and again).

Showing two character having sex is never something necessary to the plot, the only purpose it serves is to shock the audience.

May 27, 2017 7:07 AM

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SeidouTZ said:

phxntomhiveghoul said:

SeidouTZ said:

phxntomhiveghoul said:
ok i don't think anyone understands how loudly i was screaming. i've been waiting for this since chapter one of the original manga: that's 267 chapters ago. 5 years in the manga.
some people may say touka and kaneki rushed into having sex. but let me explain:
kaneki needed this. this chapter showed a MASSIVE change in kaneki's psychology. he has been denied love from people most important to him multiple times and now that he finally has what he's been searching for, his journey to discovering who he was is almost complete. touka was his Sun tarot, as the last page of chapter symbolized. the Sun tarot represents attained knowledge and bringing hope for the future as well as optimism, enlightenment, assurance, and splendor. but the sun reverse indicates that finding the positive aspects to a situation may be difficult. but the sun is never a negative card, so this is only temporary. i think when we see kaneki crying this may symbolize his struggle to find something he already has: love - something he's always been searching for. but now he's finally realizing that he's been loved for a long time.

ANYWAY....

there is NO WAY ishida-sensei would write an entire chapter of touken sex having no meaning AT ALL. he's never done that. he's always put every chapter, scene, and dialogue with meaning.
this is helping kaneki's development as a character. you have to remember that he is a suicidal person who feels alone and sad all the time but in this chapter he's crying because he feels loved and wanted.

so, the question remains: did touka and kaneki rush into having sex? yes. but that's the point - in no way does that make it meaningless.
kaneki and touka's hideout has been found. their faces have been revealed. kaneki is the most wanted ghoul in japan, and a war is about to start. people are going to die. and they both know it can be either one of them at any time. they don't have time to wait for the "perfect moment." because there's a good chance neither of them will get to see it.
touka has experienced enough loss to know that she has to live for the living and do whatever she can to keep those people alive. yeah she'll fight to protect kaneki, but that's not what it's always about: with kaneki being suicidal in the past, she's giving her best to give him a reason to live. she's letting him know that he is loved, even though she struggles to express her emotions. kaneki needs to know that he's loved right now.
kaneki has felt so lonely since hide disappeared. but now touka is there with him and for him and loving him and he's not alone anymore. yes, that doesn't mean they had to have sex to show their love but they've loved each other since the beginning. even when kaneki was haise he still had feelings for her.

what i'm trying to say is that this is part of the plot. ishida-sensei has a reason for doing this and not just for the fanservice. this is a seinen. most seinens only have characters having sex for the hell of it. but he did this for kaneki's development. i'm honestly so glad sensei chose to make this chapter the way it is bc it has a powerful meaning and not like other seinens, which just have sex for only the character's entertainment.

ps: i fucking loved this chapter. i love these characters and i've loved this story since the beginning. i woke up yesterday morning and immediately opened my manga app on my phone and started reading and actually thought i was reading the wrong manga for a second. but yeah. that's my view. let me know what you think.

That comment seems oddly directed towards what i said so let me refute some of your main points.
1- Apart from the last page (which also is tied with the butterfly in the beginning) there is no deeper meaning to anything else that was happening.
2- Contrary to what you said, kaneki is no longer a suicidal person, that is something has been already established long ago in his battle agains Arima, which made him realize there are people that care for him and want him to keep on living. Kaneki crying durring this chapter might be a way to reinforce that sentiment but overall was unnecessary.
3- Regardless of this being a seinen or not making a whole chapter centered around sex is still ludicrous. The plot did not move forward and we could very well just had read a actual vanilla doushinji that would had been the exact same.
Ishida should had either implied that they did it or had compress everything in ~10 pages max.

Chapter like this are a complete waste of time. But hey i guess going for purely shock value is worth applauding more than actually good writing apparently ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

i don't think you understand what i'm saying:
kaneki left touka twice, and now he's finally here to stay. when he looked at touka like he looked at rize three years ago, even as haise, that immediately told us that kaneki loved her. and when touka initiated the kiss, that had the same effect.
you have to remember that we have never seen ishida use anything just for the hell of it- it ALWAYS has some sort of effect to the plot.
he showed them having sex because it kinda needed to happen. yeah it may have been fanservice (i'm not complaining) but it shows how much kaneki has opened up since the beginning of his story.

Everything you are saying is nothing more than mindless conjecture.
Kaneki is here to stay? What page in this pointless chapter guarantees you that he, as the leader of the organization, will survive everything or stay with her to the bitter end?
If he left her twice more reason as to why their pairing makes no sense. There was no major dialogue after everyone got reunited or anything that lead to the idea that both might still had feeling for one another.

Plz stop putting Ishida in a pedestal as if he is this god-like writer, he really isn't...
I will reaffirm what i said in my last comment: this chapter is just pointless sex with some mindless symbolism thrown in the last page, that depending on how you interpreted can either mean Kaneki "rebirth" or his dead (which i am leaning towards the last because i am growing sick and tired of seeing Kaneki reinvent himself again and again).

Showing two character having sex is never something necessary to the plot, the only purpose it serves is to shock the audience.

LMAO at this cope. How mad are you after chapter 125?

"The pairing makes no sense" "Pointless sex" "No obvious hints that support the idea that they still had feelings for each other"

Okay

http://68.media.tumblr.com/5461db04537f00af0526db14af3f3d00/tumblr_o9z9tmuuAB1uwvfloo1_1280.jpg

>Literally takes everyone with him in Tokyo Ghoul Part 1 besides Touka to avoid having her be in danger

>Suffers his whole life since he became a ghoul, has had suicidal thoughts ever since Tokyo Ghoul Part 1 and none of his friends were able to make him "happy" or help him with his suicidal tendencies until chapter 125

Also this:
https://i.imgur.com/HVQYcLv.jpg

There's several other moments & pages that will further deny your inconsistent argument however I can't find them from the top of my head, nor do I have the patience to search hundreds of pages. Go for a re read session if u honestly think there's no basis for this relationship lmao

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May 27, 2017 8:36 AM

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Finally. It happened.

May 27, 2017 8:44 AM

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sumusiko said:
Anime Remake by Ufotable or Madhouse when?

Well I can't wait for this to be animated :D :D

May 27, 2017 1:28 PM

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Seriously though, I'm amazed they actually dedicated a whole chapter to characters making love... I don't get why people are calling it fan service, I'm also not a fan of shoehorned fan service but this seems to me more like character development.

May 27, 2017 1:30 PM

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sumusiko said:

SeidouTZ said:

phxntomhiveghoul said:

SeidouTZ said:

phxntomhiveghoul said:
ok i don't think anyone understands how loudly i was screaming. i've been waiting for this since chapter one of the original manga: that's 267 chapters ago. 5 years in the manga.
some people may say touka and kaneki rushed into having sex. but let me explain:
kaneki needed this. this chapter showed a MASSIVE change in kaneki's psychology. he has been denied love from people most important to him multiple times and now that he finally has what he's been searching for, his journey to discovering who he was is almost complete. touka was his Sun tarot, as the last page of chapter symbolized. the Sun tarot represents attained knowledge and bringing hope for the future as well as optimism, enlightenment, assurance, and splendor. but the sun reverse indicates that finding the positive aspects to a situation may be difficult. but the sun is never a negative card, so this is only temporary. i think when we see kaneki crying this may symbolize his struggle to find something he already has: love - something he's always been searching for. but now he's finally realizing that he's been loved for a long time.

ANYWAY....

there is NO WAY ishida-sensei would write an entire chapter of touken sex having no meaning AT ALL. he's never done that. he's always put every chapter, scene, and dialogue with meaning.
this is helping kaneki's development as a character. you have to remember that he is a suicidal person who feels alone and sad all the time but in this chapter he's crying because he feels loved and wanted.

so, the question remains: did touka and kaneki rush into having sex? yes. but that's the point - in no way does that make it meaningless.
kaneki and touka's hideout has been found. their faces have been revealed. kaneki is the most wanted ghoul in japan, and a war is about to start. people are going to die. and they both know it can be either one of them at any time. they don't have time to wait for the "perfect moment." because there's a good chance neither of them will get to see it.
touka has experienced enough loss to know that she has to live for the living and do whatever she can to keep those people alive. yeah she'll fight to protect kaneki, but that's not what it's always about: with kaneki being suicidal in the past, she's giving her best to give him a reason to live. she's letting him know that he is loved, even though she struggles to express her emotions. kaneki needs to know that he's loved right now.
kaneki has felt so lonely since hide disappeared. but now touka is there with him and for him and loving him and he's not alone anymore. yes, that doesn't mean they had to have sex to show their love but they've loved each other since the beginning. even when kaneki was haise he still had feelings for her.

what i'm trying to say is that this is part of the plot. ishida-sensei has a reason for doing this and not just for the fanservice. this is a seinen. most seinens only have characters having sex for the hell of it. but he did this for kaneki's development. i'm honestly so glad sensei chose to make this chapter the way it is bc it has a powerful meaning and not like other seinens, which just have sex for only the character's entertainment.

ps: i fucking loved this chapter. i love these characters and i've loved this story since the beginning. i woke up yesterday morning and immediately opened my manga app on my phone and started reading and actually thought i was reading the wrong manga for a second. but yeah. that's my view. let me know what you think.

That comment seems oddly directed towards what i said so let me refute some of your main points.
1- Apart from the last page (which also is tied with the butterfly in the beginning) there is no deeper meaning to anything else that was happening.
2- Contrary to what you said, kaneki is no longer a suicidal person, that is something has been already established long ago in his battle agains Arima, which made him realize there are people that care for him and want him to keep on living. Kaneki crying durring this chapter might be a way to reinforce that sentiment but overall was unnecessary.
3- Regardless of this being a seinen or not making a whole chapter centered around sex is still ludicrous. The plot did not move forward and we could very well just had read a actual vanilla doushinji that would had been the exact same.
Ishida should had either implied that they did it or had compress everything in ~10 pages max.

Chapter like this are a complete waste of time. But hey i guess going for purely shock value is worth applauding more than actually good writing apparently ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

i don't think you understand what i'm saying:
kaneki left touka twice, and now he's finally here to stay. when he looked at touka like he looked at rize three years ago, even as haise, that immediately told us that kaneki loved her. and when touka initiated the kiss, that had the same effect.
you have to remember that we have never seen ishida use anything just for the hell of it- it ALWAYS has some sort of effect to the plot.
he showed them having sex because it kinda needed to happen. yeah it may have been fanservice (i'm not complaining) but it shows how much kaneki has opened up since the beginning of his story.

Everything you are saying is nothing more than mindless conjecture.
Kaneki is here to stay? What page in this pointless chapter guarantees you that he, as the leader of the organization, will survive everything or stay with her to the bitter end?
If he left her twice more reason as to why their pairing makes no sense. There was no major dialogue after everyone got reunited or anything that lead to the idea that both might still had feeling for one another.

Plz stop putting Ishida in a pedestal as if he is this god-like writer, he really isn't...
I will reaffirm what i said in my last comment: this chapter is just pointless sex with some mindless symbolism thrown in the last page, that depending on how you interpreted can either mean Kaneki "rebirth" or his dead (which i am leaning towards the last because i am growing sick and tired of seeing Kaneki reinvent himself again and again).

Showing two character having sex is never something necessary to the plot, the only purpose it serves is to shock the audience.

LMAO at this cope. How mad are you after chapter 125?

"The pairing makes no sense" "Pointless sex" "No obvious hints that support the idea that they still had feelings for each other"

Okay

http://68.media.tumblr.com/5461db04537f00af0526db14af3f3d00/tumblr_o9z9tmuuAB1uwvfloo1_1280.jpg

>Literally takes everyone with him in Tokyo Ghoul Part 1 besides Touka to avoid having her be in danger

>Suffers his whole life since he became a ghoul, has had suicidal thoughts ever since Tokyo Ghoul Part 1 and none of his friends were able to make him "happy" or help him with his suicidal tendencies until chapter 125

Also this:
https://i.imgur.com/HVQYcLv.jpg

There's several other moments & pages that will further deny your inconsistent argument however I can't find them from the top of my head, nor do I have the patience to search hundreds of pages. Go for a re read session if u honestly think there's no basis for this relationship lmao

How often you confuse criticism with anger? :O I'm not "mad" i'm simply responding to some false claims.

Even if in TG part 1 might had been hinted that they both shared some romantic feeling for one another a lot of time has passed and those type of sentiments are subjected to change. Furthermore right after they all got reunited there was never a slight bit of dialogue that reaffirmed that they both still had feeling for eachother.

Do i realy need to repeat myself again? I already told you Kaneki not being a suicidal individual is something that was already established in his battle against Arima where he realized that there are a lot of people that care for him, not now with chapter 125.
The way you speak makes it seem like sex is the only solution to a person suicidal tendencies, which is false.

What is the point you trying to make with that second image? Sasaki crying unconsciously at that time was represented that Kaneki was still alive and he missed Touka. That on itself has nothing to do with this current chapter.

Be my guest, up until now all you did was put some similar panels side by side and claim that there is some deeper meaning to it where there isn't none.

May 27, 2017 1:40 PM

#281

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SeidouTZ said:

sumusiko said:

SeidouTZ said:

phxntomhiveghoul said:

SeidouTZ said:

phxntomhiveghoul said:
ok i don't think anyone understands how loudly i was screaming. i've been waiting for this since chapter one of the original manga: that's 267 chapters ago. 5 years in the manga.
some people may say touka and kaneki rushed into having sex. but let me explain:
kaneki needed this. this chapter showed a MASSIVE change in kaneki's psychology. he has been denied love from people most important to him multiple times and now that he finally has what he's been searching for, his journey to discovering who he was is almost complete. touka was his Sun tarot, as the last page of chapter symbolized. the Sun tarot represents attained knowledge and bringing hope for the future as well as optimism, enlightenment, assurance, and splendor. but the sun reverse indicates that finding the positive aspects to a situation may be difficult. but the sun is never a negative card, so this is only temporary. i think when we see kaneki crying this may symbolize his struggle to find something he already has: love - something he's always been searching for. but now he's finally realizing that he's been loved for a long time.

ANYWAY....

there is NO WAY ishida-sensei would write an entire chapter of touken sex having no meaning AT ALL. he's never done that. he's always put every chapter, scene, and dialogue with meaning.
this is helping kaneki's development as a character. you have to remember that he is a suicidal person who feels alone and sad all the time but in this chapter he's crying because he feels loved and wanted.

so, the question remains: did touka and kaneki rush into having sex? yes. but that's the point - in no way does that make it meaningless.
kaneki and touka's hideout has been found. their faces have been revealed. kaneki is the most wanted ghoul in japan, and a war is about to start. people are going to die. and they both know it can be either one of them at any time. they don't have time to wait for the "perfect moment." because there's a good chance neither of them will get to see it.
touka has experienced enough loss to know that she has to live for the living and do whatever she can to keep those people alive. yeah she'll fight to protect kaneki, but that's not what it's always about: with kaneki being suicidal in the past, she's giving her best to give him a reason to live. she's letting him know that he is loved, even though she struggles to express her emotions. kaneki needs to know that he's loved right now.
kaneki has felt so lonely since hide disappeared. but now touka is there with him and for him and loving him and he's not alone anymore. yes, that doesn't mean they had to have sex to show their love but they've loved each other since the beginning. even when kaneki was haise he still had feelings for her.

what i'm trying to say is that this is part of the plot. ishida-sensei has a reason for doing this and not just for the fanservice. this is a seinen. most seinens only have characters having sex for the hell of it. but he did this for kaneki's development. i'm honestly so glad sensei chose to make this chapter the way it is bc it has a powerful meaning and not like other seinens, which just have sex for only the character's entertainment.

ps: i fucking loved this chapter. i love these characters and i've loved this story since the beginning. i woke up yesterday morning and immediately opened my manga app on my phone and started reading and actually thought i was reading the wrong manga for a second. but yeah. that's my view. let me know what you think.

That comment seems oddly directed towards what i said so let me refute some of your main points.
1- Apart from the last page (which also is tied with the butterfly in the beginning) there is no deeper meaning to anything else that was happening.
2- Contrary to what you said, kaneki is no longer a suicidal person, that is something has been already established long ago in his battle agains Arima, which made him realize there are people that care for him and want him to keep on living. Kaneki crying durring this chapter might be a way to reinforce that sentiment but overall was unnecessary.
3- Regardless of this being a seinen or not making a whole chapter centered around sex is still ludicrous. The plot did not move forward and we could very well just had read a actual vanilla doushinji that would had been the exact same.
Ishida should had either implied that they did it or had compress everything in ~10 pages max.

Chapter like this are a complete waste of time. But hey i guess going for purely shock value is worth applauding more than actually good writing apparently ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

i don't think you understand what i'm saying:
kaneki left touka twice, and now he's finally here to stay. when he looked at touka like he looked at rize three years ago, even as haise, that immediately told us that kaneki loved her. and when touka initiated the kiss, that had the same effect.
you have to remember that we have never seen ishida use anything just for the hell of it- it ALWAYS has some sort of effect to the plot.
he showed them having sex because it kinda needed to happen. yeah it may have been fanservice (i'm not complaining) but it shows how much kaneki has opened up since the beginning of his story.

Everything you are saying is nothing more than mindless conjecture.
Kaneki is here to stay? What page in this pointless chapter guarantees you that he, as the leader of the organization, will survive everything or stay with her to the bitter end?
If he left her twice more reason as to why their pairing makes no sense. There was no major dialogue after everyone got reunited or anything that lead to the idea that both might still had feeling for one another.

Plz stop putting Ishida in a pedestal as if he is this god-like writer, he really isn't...
I will reaffirm what i said in my last comment: this chapter is just pointless sex with some mindless symbolism thrown in the last page, that depending on how you interpreted can either mean Kaneki "rebirth" or his dead (which i am leaning towards the last because i am growing sick and tired of seeing Kaneki reinvent himself again and again).

Showing two character having sex is never something necessary to the plot, the only purpose it serves is to shock the audience.

LMAO at this cope. How mad are you after chapter 125?

"The pairing makes no sense" "Pointless sex" "No obvious hints that support the idea that they still had feelings for each other"

Okay

http://68.media.tumblr.com/5461db04537f00af0526db14af3f3d00/tumblr_o9z9tmuuAB1uwvfloo1_1280.jpg

>Literally takes everyone with him in Tokyo Ghoul Part 1 besides Touka to avoid having her be in danger

>Suffers his whole life since he became a ghoul, has had suicidal thoughts ever since Tokyo Ghoul Part 1 and none of his friends were able to make him "happy" or help him with his suicidal tendencies until chapter 125

Also this:
https://i.imgur.com/HVQYcLv.jpg

There's several other moments & pages that will further deny your inconsistent argument however I can't find them from the top of my head, nor do I have the patience to search hundreds of pages. Go for a re read session if u honestly think there's no basis for this relationship lmao

How often you confuse criticism with anger? :O I'm not "mad" i'm simply responding to some false claims.

Even if in TG part 1 might had been hinted that they both shared some romantic feeling for one another a lot of time has passed and those type of sentiments are subjected to change. Furthermore right after they all got reunited there was never a slight bit of dialogue that reaffirmed that they both still had feeling for eachother.

Do i realy need to repeat myself again? I already told you Kaneki not being a suicidal individual is something that was already established in his battle against Arima where he realized that there are a lot of people that care for him, not now with chapter 125.
The way you speak makes it seem like sex is the only solution to a person suicidal tendencies, which is false.

What is the point you trying to make with that second image? Sasaki crying unconsciously at that time was represented that Kaneki was still alive and he missed Touka. That on itself has nothing to do with this current chapter.

Be my guest, up until now all you did was put some similar panels side by side and claim that there is some deeper meaning to it where there isn't none.

"I already told you Kaneki not being a suicidal individual is something that was already established in his battle against Arima where he realized that there are a lot of people that care for him, not now with chapter 125."

Actually, Hide Tulpa told Kaneki to not give up on life that he would soon find his reason to live. Kaneki has always had friends and they didn't make him "happy" or have him avoid his suicidal thoughts, what would be the point of him saying that he will soon find the reason when he's always had friends his whole life, do you even think about what you're writing?

"The way you speak makes it seem like sex is the only solution to a person suicidal tendencies, which is false."
Not sure if serious or autist.
I've mentioned at least 3 times in this thread that the point of this chapter isn't the sex but the scene where he cried & Touka smiled as well as the last panel where he's lying on her lap. Clear signs of how broken he was and how much he needed someone to be by his side all along, he missed being loved. BEING LOVED is the solution.

"What is the point you trying to make with that second image? Sasaki crying unconsciously at that time was represented that Kaneki was still alive and he missed Touka. That on itself has nothing to do with this current chapter."

Yea I mean Ishida doesn't like parallels at all right? Oh and yea Haise really did cry when he saw Tsukiyama or anyone else for that matter.

Let me guess, you would prefer Hide to stay with Kaneki, only people this delusional could still be in denial

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May 27, 2017 2:10 PM

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ok i don't think anyone understands how loudly i was screaming. i've been waiting for this since chapter one of the original manga: that's 267 chapters ago. 5 years in the manga.
some people may say touka and kaneki rushed into having sex. but let me explain:
kaneki needed this. this chapter showed a MASSIVE change in kaneki's psychology. he has been denied love from people most important to him multiple times and now that he finally has what he's been searching for, his journey to discovering who he was is almost complete. touka was his Sun tarot, as the last page of chapter symbolized. the Sun tarot represents attained knowledge and bringing hope for the future as well as optimism, enlightenment, assurance, and splendor. but the sun reverse indicates that finding the positive aspects to a situation may be difficult. but the sun is never a negative card, so this is only temporary. i think when we see kaneki crying this may symbolize his struggle to find something he already has: love - something he's always been searching for. but now he's finally realizing that he's been loved for a long time.

ANYWAY....

there is NO WAY ishida-sensei would write an entire chapter of touken sex having no meaning AT ALL. he's never done that. he's always put every chapter, scene, and dialogue with meaning.
this is helping kaneki's development as a character. you have to remember that he is a suicidal person who feels alone and sad all the time but in this chapter he's crying because he feels loved and wanted.

so, the question remains: did touka and kaneki rush into having sex? yes. but that's the point - in no way does that make it meaningless.
kaneki and touka's hideout has been found. their faces have been revealed. kaneki is the most wanted ghoul in japan, and a war is about to start. people are going to die. and they both know it can be either one of them at any time. they don't have time to wait for the "perfect moment." because there's a good chance neither of them will get to see it.
touka has experienced enough loss to know that she has to live for the living and do whatever she can to keep those people alive. yeah she'll fight to protect kaneki, but that's not what it's always about: with kaneki being suicidal in the past, she's giving her best to give him a reason to live. she's letting him know that he is loved, even though she struggles to express her emotions. kaneki needs to know that he's loved right now.
kaneki has felt so lonely since hide disappeared. but now touka is there with him and for him and loving him and he's not alone anymore. yes, that doesn't mean they had to have sex to show their love but they've loved each other since the beginning. even when kaneki was haise he still had feelings for her.

what i'm trying to say is that this is part of the plot. ishida-sensei has a reason for doing this and not just for the fanservice. this is a seinen. most seinens only have characters having sex for the hell of it. but he did this for kaneki's development. i'm honestly so glad sensei chose to make this chapter the way it is bc it has a powerful meaning and not like other seinens, which just have sex for only the character's entertainment.

ps: i fucking loved this chapter. i love these characters and i've loved this story since the beginning. i woke up yesterday morning and immediately opened my manga app on my phone and started reading and actually thought i was reading the wrong manga for a second. but yeah. that's my view. let me know what you think.

That comment seems oddly directed towards what i said so let me refute some of your main points.
1- Apart from the last page (which also is tied with the butterfly in the beginning) there is no deeper meaning to anything else that was happening.
2- Contrary to what you said, kaneki is no longer a suicidal person, that is something has been already established long ago in his battle agains Arima, which made him realize there are people that care for him and want him to keep on living. Kaneki crying durring this chapter might be a way to reinforce that sentiment but overall was unnecessary.
3- Regardless of this being a seinen or not making a whole chapter centered around sex is still ludicrous. The plot did not move forward and we could very well just had read a actual vanilla doushinji that would had been the exact same.
Ishida should had either implied that they did it or had compress everything in ~10 pages max.

Chapter like this are a complete waste of time. But hey i guess going for purely shock value is worth applauding more than actually good writing apparently ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

i don't think you understand what i'm saying:
kaneki left touka twice, and now he's finally here to stay. when he looked at touka like he looked at rize three years ago, even as haise, that immediately told us that kaneki loved her. and when touka initiated the kiss, that had the same effect.
you have to remember that we have never seen ishida use anything just for the hell of it- it ALWAYS has some sort of effect to the plot.
he showed them having sex because it kinda needed to happen. yeah it may have been fanservice (i'm not complaining) but it shows how much kaneki has opened up since the beginning of his story.

Everything you are saying is nothing more than mindless conjecture.
Kaneki is here to stay? What page in this pointless chapter guarantees you that he, as the leader of the organization, will survive everything or stay with her to the bitter end?
If he left her twice more reason as to why their pairing makes no sense. There was no major dialogue after everyone got reunited or anything that lead to the idea that both might still had feeling for one another.

Plz stop putting Ishida in a pedestal as if he is this god-like writer, he really isn't...
I will reaffirm what i said in my last comment: this chapter is just pointless sex with some mindless symbolism thrown in the last page, that depending on how you interpreted can either mean Kaneki "rebirth" or his dead (which i am leaning towards the last because i am growing sick and tired of seeing Kaneki reinvent himself again and again).

Showing two character having sex is never something necessary to the plot, the only purpose it serves is to shock the audience.

LMAO at this cope. How mad are you after chapter 125?

"The pairing makes no sense" "Pointless sex" "No obvious hints that support the idea that they still had feelings for each other"

Okay

http://68.media.tumblr.com/5461db04537f00af0526db14af3f3d00/tumblr_o9z9tmuuAB1uwvfloo1_1280.jpg

>Literally takes everyone with him in Tokyo Ghoul Part 1 besides Touka to avoid having her be in danger

>Suffers his whole life since he became a ghoul, has had suicidal thoughts ever since Tokyo Ghoul Part 1 and none of his friends were able to make him "happy" or help him with his suicidal tendencies until chapter 125

Also this:
https://i.imgur.com/HVQYcLv.jpg

There's several other moments & pages that will further deny your inconsistent argument however I can't find them from the top of my head, nor do I have the patience to search hundreds of pages. Go for a re read session if u honestly think there's no basis for this relationship lmao

How often you confuse criticism with anger? :O I'm not "mad" i'm simply responding to some false claims.

Even if in TG part 1 might had been hinted that they both shared some romantic feeling for one another a lot of time has passed and those type of sentiments are subjected to change. Furthermore right after they all got reunited there was never a slight bit of dialogue that reaffirmed that they both still had feeling for eachother.

Do i realy need to repeat myself again? I already told you Kaneki not being a suicidal individual is something that was already established in his battle against Arima where he realized that there are a lot of people that care for him, not now with chapter 125.
The way you speak makes it seem like sex is the only solution to a person suicidal tendencies, which is false.

What is the point you trying to make with that second image? Sasaki crying unconsciously at that time was represented that Kaneki was still alive and he missed Touka. That on itself has nothing to do with this current chapter.

Be my guest, up until now all you did was put some similar panels side by side and claim that there is some deeper meaning to it where there isn't none.

"I already told you Kaneki not being a suicidal individual is something that was already established in his battle against Arima where he realized that there are a lot of people that care for him, not now with chapter 125."

Actually, Hide Tulpa told Kaneki to not give up on life that he would soon find his reason to live. Kaneki has always had friends and they didn't make him "happy" or have him avoid his suicidal thoughts, what would be the point of him saying that he will soon find the reason when he's always had friends his whole life, do you even think about what you're writing?

"The way you speak makes it seem like sex is the only solution to a person suicidal tendencies, which is false."
Not sure if serious or autist.
I've mentioned at least 3 times in this thread that the point of this chapter isn't the sex but the scene where he cried & Touka smiled as well as the last panel where he's lying on her lap. Clear signs of how broken he was and how much he needed someone to be by his side all along, he missed being loved. BEING LOVED is the solution.

"What is the point you trying to make with that second image? Sasaki crying unconsciously at that time was represented that Kaneki was still alive and he missed Touka. That on itself has nothing to do with this current chapter."

Yea I mean Ishida doesn't like parallels at all right? Oh and yea Haise really did cry when he saw Tsukiyama or anyone else for that matter.

Let me guess, you would prefer Hide to stay with Kaneki, only people this delusional could still be in denial

False, Hide was the only person that Kaneki classified as a friend. Everyone else he had a hard time open himself and he never came to the realization that they truly cared for his well being up until his battle agains Arima.

There are better ways to reciprocate love apart from sex. Him getting reunited with everyone from the cafe for example could be viewed as Kaneki finally being reunited with people that care for him, yet he shown no emotion or even cried for that matter.

Some parallel yeah, in this case? No.
His encounter with Nishiki as Sasaki striked a core with him, however i will agree with you on the fact that his relationship towards Touka might be stronger since she was the first person that help him once he became a ghoul.

No im just not a fan of this chapter overall and the lack of dialogue prior to this events.

May 27, 2017 2:13 PM

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