| http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/02/10/tpp-is-not-dead-its-now-called-the-trade-in-services-agreement/ I fucking told you so..... |
| Let's see if Trump stops this one. |
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| The title is click bait. A few sections of overlap aren't enough to make them the same, even if those sections are literally identical. |
JoshFeb 10, 2017 7:28 PM
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
Josh said: The title is click bait. They aren't the same agreement, even if a few sections of the TPP were transferred to TISA. Of course it's not exactly the same. It's same in principal and effect with some differences. I dont know if the differences are enough to make a difference or not. |
| The problem is that you're always negative, so any time that something doesn't exactly go according to plan you can claim "I told you so". |
Thrashinuva said: The problem is that you're always negative, so any time that something doesn't exactly go according to plan you can claim "I told you so". Stop making shit up. Literally first time I said that. Also Im not always negative im realistic. Im an optimist actually. |
traed said: Never said that you said "I told you so" before. And by "negative" I meant in terms of opposition vs. Trump, his policies, and his administration, not in terms of being pessimistic about life overall.Thrashinuva said: The problem is that you're always negative, so any time that something doesn't exactly go according to plan you can claim "I told you so". Stop making shit up. Literally first time I said that. Also Im not always negative im realistic. Im an optimist actually. |
| No, TISA existed when TPP existed, it's the last of the bad trade bills. |
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Thrashinuva said: traed said: Never said that you said "I told you so" before. And by "negative" I meant in terms of opposition vs. Trump, his policies, and his administration, not in terms of being pessimistic about life overall.Stop making shit up. Literally first time I said that. Also Im not always negative im realistic. Im an optimist actually. I didn't say anything about Trump here. I also think certain good things come indirectly from the administration. |
traed said: I didn't say you said anything about Trump.Thrashinuva said: Never said that you said "I told you so" before. And by "negative" I meant in terms of opposition vs. Trump, his policies, and his administration, not in terms of being pessimistic about life overall. I didn't say anything about Trump here. I also think certain good things come indirectly from the administration. |
Thrashinuva said: traed said: I didn't say you said anything about Trump.I didn't say anything about Trump here. I also think certain good things come indirectly from the administration. heh what do you mean then, its obvious you think traed is fully anti-Trump with those replies of yours you are using gaslighting tactics again |
j0x said: I never said I didn't think traed is fully anti-Trump.Thrashinuva said: I didn't say you said anything about Trump. heh what do you mean then, its obvious you think traed is fully anti-Trump with those replies of yours you are using gaslighting tactics again Are you sure gaslighting is a term you properly understand? I've seen you use it questionably for the past few months. |
Thrashinuva said: j0x said: I never said I didn't think traed is fully anti-Trump.heh what do you mean then, its obvious you think traed is fully anti-Trump with those replies of yours you are using gaslighting tactics again Are you sure gaslighting is a term you properly understand? I've seen you use it questionably for the past few months. yep you do it a lot that gaslighting thing whenever you argue with someone here discuss the topic dude and not discuss your opponents mental stability |
j0x said: I am discussing the topic:Thrashinuva said: I never said I didn't think traed is fully anti-Trump. Are you sure gaslighting is a term you properly understand? I've seen you use it questionably for the past few months. yep you do it a lot that gaslighting thing whenever you argue with someone here discuss the topic dude and not discuss your opponents mental stability traed said: I fucking told you so..... I'm not trying to get anyone to question their sanity, I'm just trying to get him to realize the error of his ways. When your parents scolded you did you always just assume that they were calling your sanity into question? You throw that argument out quite a lot, but you don't have the foggiest idea of what it means or when it applies. |
Thrashinuva said: traed said: I didn't say you said anything about Trump.I didn't say anything about Trump here. I also think certain good things come indirectly from the administration. You brought up trump -.- |
Thrashinuva said: j0x said: I am discussing the topic:yep you do it a lot that gaslighting thing whenever you argue with someone here discuss the topic dude and not discuss your opponents mental stability traed said: I fucking told you so..... I'm not trying to get anyone to question their sanity, I'm just trying to get him to realize the error of his ways. When your parents scolded you did you always just assume that they were calling your sanity into question? You throw that argument out quite a lot, but you don't have the foggiest idea of what it means or when it applies. so your a parent now? showing error of his ways is not an argument, you like implying the only sane people are the trump supporters so i will show you all how the psychological process behind anti-trump people even you have to ask at times if your parents are right with their disciplinary actions especially if its repeated/excessive already if you want to correct anti-Trump people then argue about the policies of Trump and not argue about the thinking process of your opponent |
degFeb 10, 2017 10:26 PM
| Can someone break it down in layman's terms as to what the TPP is/was? |
SpamuraiSensei said: Can someone break it down in layman's terms as to what the TPP is/was? TPP is a trade deal that will give businesses especially big corporations more power than the government the most worrying things about TPP on top of my head - patents will be longer especially for medicine so cheaper generic medicines will be longer to obtain - businesses like hollywood can sue you with piracy in the court of USA even if you live in another country with different laws, heck any business can sue any government that is under TPP (so ye an example of businesses having more power than the government) trade deals are great no doubt but TPP trade deal is anti-consumer |
| Yes I did bring up Trump. |
j0x said: I did not say that I was being a parent.so your a parent now? j0x said: OP never gave anything to argue against.showing error of his ways is not an argument, you like implying the only sane people are the trump supporters so i will show you all how the psychological process behind anti-trump people j0x said: So your point is that one side is not exclusively wrong? But you of course don't believe that it would be wrong for one side to call out when the other side is indeed wrong, do you?even you have to ask at times if your parents are right with their disciplinary actions especially if its repeated/excessive already j0x said: I like correcting people that are being overly stupid. Immahnoob is clearly pro-Trump but sometimes the things he says throw logic out the window, and so I get on him too.if you want to correct anti-Trump people then argue about the policies of Trump and not argue about the thinking process of your opponent In the case here I merely responded to something that did not provide any context for argument, and was merely an "I told you so", that wasn't aimed at anyone specific and didn't provide any details of the referenced discussion that supposedly took place. It doesn't really seem like I could have gotten off the hook with you if I posted anything other than "You were right traed, you know better", as there isn't anything that could clearly be stated as the topic for argument. Is it that he was right? Is it the proposed trade deal? Is it the old trade deal? Is it the failing of the people who let the proposed trade deal come to light? I think most intelligent people could figure out what the real answer is here, but you can claim anything as nothing concrete is given. |
traed said: You told us what? This trade deal isn't something new, it's been a thing since the TPP.http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/02/10/tpp-is-not-dead-its-now-called-the-trade-in-services-agreement/ I fucking told you so.....  |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
Thrashinuva said: j0x said: I did not say that I was being a parent.so your a parent now? j0x said: OP never gave anything to argue against.showing error of his ways is not an argument, you like implying the only sane people are the trump supporters so i will show you all how the psychological process behind anti-trump people j0x said: So your point is that one side is not exclusively wrong? But you of course don't believe that it would be wrong for one side to call out when the other side is indeed wrong, do you?even you have to ask at times if your parents are right with their disciplinary actions especially if its repeated/excessive already j0x said: I like correcting people that are being overly stupid. Immahnoob is clearly pro-Trump but sometimes the things he says throw logic out the window, and so I get on him too.if you want to correct anti-Trump people then argue about the policies of Trump and not argue about the thinking process of your opponent In the case here I merely responded to something that did not provide any context for argument, and was merely an "I told you so", that wasn't aimed at anyone specific and didn't provide any details of the referenced discussion that supposedly took place. It doesn't really seem like I could have gotten off the hook with you if I posted anything other than "You were right traed, you know better", as there isn't anything that could clearly be stated as the topic for argument. Is it that he was right? Is it the proposed trade deal? Is it the old trade deal? Is it the failing of the people who let the proposed trade deal come to light? I think most intelligent people could figure out what the real answer is here, but you can claim anything as nothing concrete is given. you are not really correcting people if you are only showing the error of their ways correcting others the proper way is by doing constructive criticism from your recent replies you just enjoy destroying/shaming/blaming others through arguments, ye i do that sometimes and same with others but you do it so frequently and why did you mention trump in this thread anyway? |
Josh said: The title is click bait. A few sections of overlap aren't enough to make them the same, even if those sections are literally identical. Typical Trump supporters on here, downplaying every bit of criticism of President Trump. You should get a life "Josh". HEY, WAIT A SECOND. Do you have any particular insight as to the differences between them, or are you just being diplomatic? |
| Losing an Argument online? Simply post a webpage full of links, and refuse to continue until your opponents have read every last one of them! WORKS EVERY TIME! "I was debating with someone who believed in climate change, when he linked me to a graph showing evidence to that effect. So I sent him a 10k word essay on the origins of Conservatism, and escaped with my dignity intact." "THANK YOU VERBOSE WEBPAGES OF QUESTIONABLE RELEVANCE!" |
| Hope you guys are ready to be sued for all your anime avatars. |
j0x said: Having the opportunity to adjust your own thinking is usually a much more effective method of changing than for someone else to tell you how to change. Not only that, but it's very unlikely that someone will change just because someone told them to. That command has to come from someone that person respects, or else it just breeds defiance. At least with the claim that they are wrong they can at least internally accept the possibility of that being the case, and then reflect on it.you are not really correcting people if you are only showing the error of their ways correcting others the proper way is by doing constructive criticism from your recent replies you just enjoy destroying/shaming/blaming others through arguments, ye i do that sometimes and same with others but you do it so frequently and why did you mention trump in this thread anyway? There's a reason "reflect on your actions" has always been a popular phrase when scolding someone who is wrong, with or without punishment. Your claim that my criticism wasn't constructive is your own baseless opinion. I have no intention of shaming anyone who is not trying to deceive people. You often intentionally deceive people, and so shaming you is the best possible deterrent. Traed doesn't deceive that often and so my objective here was not to shame him. As for the blame game, I can't recall blaming anyone for anything that they didn't do, I really feel you just pulled that one out of nowhere, a bit like the gaslighting claim that you're no longer making. As for destroying, the only thing I intend to destroy are misconceptions and preconceptions. If a persons ego should be in the way then so be it. Your ego has nothing to do with the truth, and the truth is essential in political discussion. As for frequency, I haven't been posting at all here much since about December, picking back up only a little bit and very recently, so this also feels entirely baseless. My posting frequency here has been rather small, let alone what percentage of those posts even consists of arguments. |
Thrashinuva said: j0x said: Having the opportunity to adjust your own thinking is usually a much more effective method of changing than for someone else to tell you how to change. Not only that, but it's very unlikely that someone will change just because someone told them to. That command has to come from someone that person respects, or else it just breeds defiance. At least with the claim that they are wrong they can at least internally accept the possibility of that being the case, and then reflect on it.you are not really correcting people if you are only showing the error of their ways correcting others the proper way is by doing constructive criticism from your recent replies you just enjoy destroying/shaming/blaming others through arguments, ye i do that sometimes and same with others but you do it so frequently and why did you mention trump in this thread anyway? There's a reason "reflect on your actions" has always been a popular phrase when scolding someone who is wrong, with or without punishment. Your claim that my criticism wasn't constructive is your own baseless opinion. I have no intention of shaming anyone who is not trying to deceive people. You often intentionally deceive people, and so shaming you is the best possible deterrent. Traed doesn't deceive that often and so my objective here was not to shame him. As for the blame game, I can't recall blaming anyone for anything that they didn't do, I really feel you just pulled that one out of nowhere, a bit like the gaslighting claim that you're no longer making. As for destroying, the only thing I intend to destroy are misconceptions and preconceptions. If a persons ego should be in the way then so be it. Your ego has nothing to do with the truth, and the truth is essential in political discussion. As for frequency, I haven't been posting at all here much since about December, picking back up only a little bit and very recently, so this also feels entirely baseless. My posting frequency here has been rather small, let alone what percentage of those posts even consists of arguments. what makes you think im deceiving people? i do not remember doing that sure reflecting on your own actions is so wise and all but what are you are doing is just either gaslighting or destructive criticism that will not make the person reflect on his/her ways at all what i mean by frequency and blaming is whenever you argue here on CE about Trump matters, rather than you defend the policies of Trump you more tend to attack/blame your opponent's thought process in general and not just with Trump dude defend Trump's policies with valid arguments and not with your gaslighting tactics or even ad hominem that is all im saying to you here |
j0x said: That is your opinion, and I disagree with it. And I would again like to point out that you don't seem to have any idea what gaslighting actually entails.what are you are doing is just either gaslighting or destructive criticism that will not make the person reflect on his/her ways at all j0x said: How can I possibly blame someone without actually detailing what they were responsible for? Often times a persons assessment of something like a policy is fully inclusive of all factual information, but merely has extraneous misconceptions tacked on. When something like that is presented, a defense of the policy would merely be stating what it is, which they've already outlined and understand, and then further the defense would discredit those extraneous details that don't realistically apply. Under your watch, such a defense would be called an attack.what i mean by frequency and blaming is whenever you argue here on CE about Trump matters, rather than you defend the policies of Trump you more tend to attack/blame your opponent's thought process in general and not just with Trump j0x said: I don't think you understand when ad hominem applies either.dude defend Trump's policies with valid arguments and not with your gaslighting tactics or even ad hominem that is all im saying to you here j0x said: Referring to something as a Muslim ban, even when you know it's not, without revealing that your name for it is a generalization and not strictly to the truth is in itself deception. You make a habit of employing these deceptive tactics, and it would be a shame if anyone fell for your traps.what makes you think im deceiving people? i do not remember doing that |
| @Thrashinuva it is a muslim ban considering its base on a religious grounds like christians are exempled from the ban and only the muslims of those muslim countries are banned looks like its hopeless to change your mind about your tactics of defending Trump huh, i gave up |
j0x said: And now you're flat out lying (or you're just disgustingly misinformed). The ban doesn't single out muslims at all. It's a general ban from specific countries that pose a threat. Whether they claim they're Christian, Muslim, or of no religion, they'll still be barred from entering the country.@Thrashinuva it is a muslim ban considering its base on a religious grounds like christians are exempled from the ban and only the muslims of those muslim countries are banned looks like its hopeless to change your mind about your tactics of defending Trump huh, i gave up The ban wouldn't make sense otherwise, when people can decide at the drop of a hat whether they're Muslim or Christian. |
Thrashinuva said: j0x said: And now you're flat out lying (or you're just disgustingly misinformed). The ban doesn't single out muslims at all. It's a general ban from specific countries that pose a threat. Whether they claim they're Christian, Muslim, or of no religion, they'll still be barred from entering the country.@Thrashinuva it is a muslim ban considering its base on a religious grounds like christians are exempled from the ban and only the muslims of those muslim countries are banned looks like its hopeless to change your mind about your tactics of defending Trump huh, i gave up The ban wouldn't make sense otherwise, when people can decide at the drop of a hat whether they're Muslim or Christian. here are my arguments on why i think its a muslim ban https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1591616 inform me and everyone else on why its not a muslim ban then |
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