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Like, thought they were straight and even had these regular 'heterosexual feelings' for a long time but after a period of time figure out they're asexual? Like lose attraction ?

I'm thinking it's because sexuality is fluid.
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Hello from the other thread.

Yes. For about five years, I thought I was straight. I was extremely confused the entire time, though, because I couldn't find my "type" at all. I mean, I'd constantly been told that it was just normal to be straight, and if you're not straight, you're gay. And neither gender appealed to me in that way, so I was left with extremely conflicting emotions, because I would think about people in romantic ways, but I always thought sex was something that was "supposed" to be present in a relationship, and I couldn't care less for it. Honestly, I'm still not sure how to approach anyone in real life about it. I have a feeling my family would say they understood, then would ask me if I found random people attractive even more often than they do now.

I was extremely encouraged by one of the other threads on here, "Would you date an asexual?", because almost 50% of the people who voted said they would. So, at least I know sex isn't a requirement for a lot of people, so long as the romantic attraction is there.

How about you, OP?
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I think I am straight....but I had experience with same sex before does that count fir something...... Honestly It's up to you in the end
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VagueClarity said:
Hello from the other thread.

Yes. For about five years, I thought I was straight. I was extremely confused the entire time, though, because I couldn't find my "type" at all. I mean, I'd constantly been told that it was just normal to be straight, and if you're not straight, you're gay. And neither gender appealed to me in that way, so I was left with extremely conflicting emotions, because I would think about people in romantic ways, but I always thought sex was something that was "supposed" to be present in a relationship, and I couldn't care less for it. Honestly, I'm still not sure how to approach anyone in real life about it. I have a feeling my family would say they understood, then would ask me if I found random people attractive even more often than they do now.

I was extremely encouraged by one of the other threads on here, "Would you date an asexual?", because almost 50% of the people who voted said they would. So, at least I know sex isn't a requirement for a lot of people, so long as the romantic attraction is there.

How about you, OP?


Yep I'm asexual, even had sex a few times, didn't really do much for me...-o-
I wish I'd of known more about asexuality before that, cause many people say 'we're this way, we don't need to 'try' it.'
I kind of live in my head, and I saw that topic too, and got kind of happy about it, but it is an anime website, so most of us are really withdrawn anyways and don't radiate with sexuality/understand it. Some asexuals aren't romantic one bit and might forever be a lone. But that's not me and having romantic feelings towards people usually is made up by me in my own head, and has nothing to do with sexual attraction. It also used to confuse me a lot. But when I hear that most people 'lust' after people instead of just wanting to know them, hold hands, or whatever, then I know i'm not like most people.

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I think I am straight....but I had experience with same sex before does that count fir something...... Honestly It's up to you in the end

Sounds like you're bi curious; XD
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I have been bisexual my whole life. My teens were just sex for sex sake, and depth of relationships did not matter until I was in my twenties.

After that I began seeking satisfaction rather than sex for sex sake.

This is when I moved more to heterosexual orientation, I also became a christian, and ended up getting married.

So as far as fluidity is concerned, the more I aged, the more hetero I became.

I may never be 100% straight, but I have moved from bisexuality to heterosexuality, some of it by choice, some of it by trial and error, some of it by thinking it through heavily and considering what gives me satisfaction, and what will never satisfy, so why bother giving it time and space in my mind and body?
idk about you but the closer a girl gets to looking like ronald mcdonald, the more aroused i become. CAV

where can we cast our eyes to @PoruMairu who thinks of himself a member of the true church. Helion.
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Lol wtf is this thread?

Sounds like a bad translation of a korean manga. Anyway nah. Only ladies have been able to make my member engorge with blood.

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Nope, can't say I've lost my sexual attraction to the opposite sex. I still feel hopeless at finding a girlfriend though.
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Lol wtf is this thread?

Sounds like a bad translation of a korean manga. Anyway nah. Only ladies have been able to make my member engorge with blood.


It's merely me asking if there are any other asexual/demisexual people out there that are still romantically attracted to people or if there are people who figured out they like both men and woman, or figured out they were full on gay.
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I'm only attracted to someone if they catch my attention enough.
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LoneWolf said:
Lol wtf is this thread?

Sounds like a bad translation of a korean manga. Anyway nah. Only ladies have been able to make my member engorge with blood.


Then wat was what happened last night bruh?
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traed said:
I'm only attracted to someone if they catch my attention enough.


Yeah you sound asexual to be honest....
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dakotasapphire said:
traed said:
I'm only attracted to someone if they catch my attention enough.


Yeah you sound asexual to be honest....

Nah, Im just depressed and fed up with how most people are.
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dakotasapphire said:
Like, thought they were straight and even had these regular 'heterosexual feelings' for a long time but after a period of time figure out they're asexual? Like lose attraction ?

I'm thinking it's because sexuality is fluid.


Well technically Asexuality is still classified as a disorder whereas homosexuality is not. Just saying.
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So.. If you can't reach an orgasm during sex your asexual now? Is that a new trend?

rofl
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Pirating_Ninja said:
dakotasapphire said:
Like, thought they were straight and even had these regular 'heterosexual feelings' for a long time but after a period of time figure out they're asexual? Like lose attraction ?

I'm thinking it's because sexuality is fluid.


Well technically Asexuality is still classified as a disorder whereas homosexuality is not. Just saying.


Is it really? That's interesting.

Edited to add: I thought it was something similar to other sexual orientations, being a spectrum (some asexuals are non-romantic while some are romantic, and to varying degrees, for example), but apparently each "type" is classified as its own disorder. That's odd.

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So.. If you can't reach an orgasm during sex your asexual now? Is that a new trend?

rofl


Who said anything about that? Your comment makes no sense. Being asexual means not being sexually attracted to someone in the first place. Rather than being a problem with being able to have sex, it's a mentality, generally accompanied by a biological reaction, that just means that you simply don't desire sex in any way, shape, or form. People who are asexual can still have sex. They just have no desire to and derive no emotional benefit from it (under normal circumstances).
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I do not think you can really lose your sexuality I think if you just did not have any in the first place


Also to answer your question I did not lose my sexuality I am even hornier than I was before
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As long as I hold certain values, I would never lose my sexuality. Losing one's sexuality is tantamount to losing one's sense of value.
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Pirating_Ninja said:
dakotasapphire said:
Like, thought they were straight and even had these regular 'heterosexual feelings' for a long time but after a period of time figure out they're asexual? Like lose attraction ?

I'm thinking it's because sexuality is fluid.


Well technically Asexuality is still classified as a disorder whereas homosexuality is not. Just saying.


WHO classified it as a disorder? It's not wtf are you even saying?
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Say OP, were you abused in childhood or something?
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dakotasapphire said:
Pirating_Ninja said:


Well technically Asexuality is still classified as a disorder whereas homosexuality is not. Just saying.


WHO classified it as a disorder? It's not wtf are you even saying?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypoactive_sexual_desire_disorder

Just fyi, the DSM is usually the go-to authority on mental disorders. Also, just as a side note, unlike Homosexuality or Heterosexuality, modern research has started looking at asexuality, or rather the brain chemistry, and has already started developing drugs than can return sexual desire in people with HSDD. Therefore, classifying it as a disorder means that those who want treatment, will be capable of getting it without having to pay $1,000 per pill, after all if it isn't in the DSM no insurance will cover any treatment options, so I'm getting rather sick of people trying to take out certain disorders out of the DSM as if they think they are helping people. Same with things like Gender Dysphoria, do you think you are doing anyone any favors by trying to get this stricken from the DSM? Do you have any idea how much testosterone treatment will cost if it isn't covered by health insurance? Sorry for the rant.
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Pirating_Ninja said:
dakotasapphire said:


WHO classified it as a disorder? It's not wtf are you even saying?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypoactive_sexual_desire_disorder

Just fyi, the DSM is usually the go-to authority on mental disorders. Also, just as a side note, unlike Homosexuality or Heterosexuality, modern research has started looking at asexuality, or rather the brain chemistry, and has already started developing drugs than can return sexual desire in people with HSDD. Therefore, classifying it as a disorder means that those who want treatment, will be capable of getting it without having to pay $1,000 per pill, after all if it isn't in the DSM no insurance will cover any treatment options, so I'm getting rather sick of people trying to take out certain disorders out of the DSM as if they think they are helping people. Same with things like Gender Dysphoria, do you think you are doing anyone any favors by trying to get this stricken from the DSM? Do you have any idea how much testosterone treatment will cost if it isn't covered by health insurance? Sorry for the rant.


According to the wiki HSDD is:

A person with ISD will not start, or respond to their partner's desire for, sexual activity.[1] Other terms used to describe the phenomenon include sexual aversion and sexual apathy.[1]

Huh. BUT i was speaking about sexual attraction, not being able to figure out whether or not to have sex or not, but I guess that's the same thing?

"There has been little investigation of the impact of individual factors on female sexual dysfunction. Such factors include stress, levels of fatigue, gender identity, health, and other individual attributes and experiences, such as dysfunctional sexual beliefs[3] that may affect sexual desire or response. Over exposure to pornography-style media is also thought to lead to poor body image, self-consciousness and lowered self-esteem.[4] An individual's sexual activity is disrupted by overwhelming emotional distress resulting in inability to attain sexual pleasure. Sexual dysfunction can also occur secondary to major psychiatric disorders, including depression.[5]" I guess this might be my issue... But it's not going to be easy to fix.
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VagueClarity said:
Pirating_Ninja said:


Well technically Asexuality is still classified as a disorder whereas homosexuality is not. Just saying.


Is it really? That's interesting.

Edited to add: I thought it was something similar to other sexual orientations, being a spectrum (some asexuals are non-romantic while some are romantic, and to varying degrees, for example), but apparently each "type" is classified as its own disorder. That's odd.

JunkYardHiro said:
So.. If you can't reach an orgasm during sex your asexual now? Is that a new trend?

rofl


Who said anything about that? Your comment makes no sense. Being asexual means not being sexually attracted to someone in the first place. Rather than being a problem with being able to have sex, it's a mentality, generally accompanied by a biological reaction, that just means that you simply don't desire sex in any way, shape, or form. People who are asexual can still have sex. They just have no desire to and derive no emotional benefit from it (under normal circumstances).


It makes perfect sense. I was making fun of all the new age sexual preferences you think you all have.
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dakotasapphire said:
Like, thought they were straight and even had these regular 'heterosexual feelings' for a long time but after a period of time figure out they're asexual? Like lose attraction ?

I'm thinking it's because sexuality is fluid.
Depends on the person you want to be and with.

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VagueClarity said:
Hello from the other thread.

Yes. For about five years, I thought I was straight. I was extremely confused the entire time, though, because I couldn't find my "type" at all. I mean, I'd constantly been told that it was just normal to be straight, and if you're not straight, you're gay. And neither gender appealed to me in that way, so I was left with extremely conflicting emotions, because I would think about people in romantic ways, but I always thought sex was something that was "supposed" to be present in a relationship, and I couldn't care less for it. Honestly, I'm still not sure how to approach anyone in real life about it. I have a feeling my family would say they understood, then would ask me if I found random people attractive even more often than they do now.

I was extremely encouraged by one of the other threads on here, "Would you date an asexual?", because almost 50% of the people who voted said they would. So, at least I know sex isn't a requirement for a lot of people, so long as the romantic attraction is there.

How about you, OP?
Hey you asexual? So can I ask something - what happens if you masterbate?
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I was normal, but in a excursion something happened in the shower. Now I am confused. I neved had anything in my butt, and it was strange.
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you know it's actually considered normal not to think about sexuality 100% of the time, op?
doesn't make you asexual
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Have you looked under the couch pillows or under the bed. Many things get lost there.
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i thought i was asexual for a short period of time but nah i'm straight
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I don't think that someone can lose their sexuality.In my case,I'd say that my sexuality is in some way "suppressed".I hold certain values about it and I cannot get sexually attracted to anyone,if I don't develop romantic feelings about someone first.This is how it works for me.
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Well, I'm really confused and have no idea what I am now, but as a little, little kid I was the straightest thing imaginable. My #1 past time was flipping to a page of a girl in a bikini in one of my mom's magazines and just smiling.

I have trouble feeling a sexual attraction to either gender unless I'm thinking about them involved with one of my fetishes. I don't know if I'm asexual or just gross.
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@CatSoul list of said fetishes or we can't help you. Don't worry, we're all certified sexologists here.
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clandestine said:
you know it's actually considered normal not to think about sexuality 100% of the time, op?
doesn't make you asexual


but if it is near 100% of the time she's not thinking about sex, like she's close to never thinking about it at all, then no, it is not normal.
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Closest I've lost my sexuality was after a promiscuous few years I lost interest in just sex without an emotional connection and quite frankly I haven't found that connection in awhile. So while I do still get sexually attracted I haven't been as interested on acting on my urges.
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VagueClarity said:
Hello from the other thread.

Yes. For about five years, I thought I was straight. I was extremely confused the entire time, though, because I couldn't find my "type" at all. I mean, I'd constantly been told that it was just normal to be straight, and if you're not straight, you're gay. And neither gender appealed to me in that way, so I was left with extremely conflicting emotions, because I would think about people in romantic ways, but I always thought sex was something that was "supposed" to be present in a relationship, and I couldn't care less for it. Honestly, I'm still not sure how to approach anyone in real life about it. I have a feeling my family would say they understood, then would ask me if I found random people attractive even more often than they do now.

I was extremely encouraged by one of the other threads on here, "Would you date an asexual?", because almost 50% of the people who voted said they would. So, at least I know sex isn't a requirement for a lot of people, so long as the romantic attraction is there.

How about you, OP?
Hey you asexual? So can I ask something - what happens if you masterbate?


Yes, I am. And to answer that question, it doesn't affect me. I mean, I don't feel anything at all emotionally, and the physical sensation isn't particularly pleasurable.

Edit: To clarify, I cannot think of people as sexually attractive. As such, there is no benefit for me to imagine sex. It just isn't something I'm interested in, so I don't care.
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'Lose'? Not quite. More like 'understood'.

Growing up in a moderately sheltered lifestyle (Caused more by the environment then by parents), I wasn't even aware of the concept of 'gender fluditiy', and I assumed myself to be 'straight', because all I understood was 'straight' and 'asexual/non-sexual' for the few people that supposedly have no sexual interest.

Once I actually obtained the ability to freely use and understand the internet, that all changed. Blame it on pornography, blame it on me spending to much time reading about psychology, or on me being up-to-date on whatever LGBT right battles were starting to creep up around that time. But over a few years, I realized something about myself:
I love the very concept of intercourse. Regardless of gender. Male, female, Transgendered, Transhuman, etc.
And to an extent, that somewhat extends to me. I honestly believe that intercourse between two intelligent, sentient, consenting beings is absolutely wonderful, a physical/chemical realization of something that originated as a psychological/chemical bond. And I would love to eventually partake in such acts. I still have a strong preference for human women, yes, but that's likely because it is what was instilled into me via 'nurture' during the important developmental years of my life. But I'm open to any gender or identity within reason (Because seriously, how on earth are you identifying as a Boeing 747!?), with the only possible exception of 'asexual' merely because I do desire to experience the full tier of such bonds.

If I do have to rely on an 'identifying term', I guess it would be Pansexual, with a lean toward Heterosexuality.
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I've been sexual all my life but in my emo/cringe phase I went around saying I was asexual even though I wasn't. It's also related to the story of how I fapped to a tree. It's surprising how well you can convince yourself you're something you're not when you want to. I now spend my time pondering another aspect of my sexuality, but I'm not too comfortable posting it here
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I am what you call "andro-romantic" which basically means I am attracted to men or masculinity. Somehow I learned that when I developed a crush on Link from LoZ when I was 9 years old.
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I am straight, plain and simple.I had a phase when I considered myself an asexual up until the age of 12 but in all honesty I wasn't really asexual since the subject of sex itself does not even directly effect somenoe of that age(or maybe it does nowadays but that's a whole different story).Anyway that phase was probably caused by me looking incredibly girlish until that age and people mistook me for a girl a lot so I suppose I hated anything even vaguely related to the concept of genders.
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Erg_Orgy said:
I am straight, plain and simple.I had a phase when I considered myself an asexual up until the age of 12 but in all honesty I wasn't really asexual since the subject of sex itself does not even directly effect somenoe of that age(or maybe it does nowadays but that's a whole different story).Anyway that phase was probably caused by me looking incredibly girlish until that age and people mistook me for a girl a lot so I suppose I hated anything even vaguely related to the concept of genders.


Lol, girlish? man i bet you're pretty cute.

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you know it's actually considered normal not to think about sexuality 100% of the time, op?
doesn't make you asexual


Wasn't the question though. I guess women might think even less about it than men? But maybe i'm not asexual and just haven't really made that connection yet, and maybe i'm too in my own head to notice. You know, dense?
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Asexuality is not real, you merely have a low sex drive, like pretending to be a made up sexuality because you're a special snowflake or are being childish in regards to sex, aka, you're scared of "cooties."

You are either homosexual, heterosexual or bi.
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Asexuality is not real, you merely have a low sex drive, like pretending to be a made up sexuality because you're a special snowflake or are being childish in regards to sex, aka, you're scared of cooties.

You are either homosexual, heterosexual or bi.


Lmao shut the fuck up you weeb XD

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WHO classified it as a disorder? It's not wtf are you even saying?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypoactive_sexual_desire_disorder

Just fyi, the DSM is usually the go-to authority on mental disorders. Also, just as a side note, unlike Homosexuality or Heterosexuality, modern research has started looking at asexuality, or rather the brain chemistry, and has already started developing drugs than can return sexual desire in people with HSDD. Therefore, classifying it as a disorder means that those who want treatment, will be capable of getting it without having to pay $1,000 per pill, after all if it isn't in the DSM no insurance will cover any treatment options, so I'm getting rather sick of people trying to take out certain disorders out of the DSM as if they think they are helping people. Same with things like Gender Dysphoria, do you think you are doing anyone any favors by trying to get this stricken from the DSM? Do you have any idea how much testosterone treatment will cost if it isn't covered by health insurance? Sorry for the rant.
You know, homosexuality used to be classified as a disorder in the DSM as well.
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Nope, I always knew I was asexual. I just didn't have a term to encapsulate my feelings on the matter. But now I do, so yay
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Pirating_Ninja said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypoactive_sexual_desire_disorder

Just fyi, the DSM is usually the go-to authority on mental disorders. Also, just as a side note, unlike Homosexuality or Heterosexuality, modern research has started looking at asexuality, or rather the brain chemistry, and has already started developing drugs than can return sexual desire in people with HSDD. Therefore, classifying it as a disorder means that those who want treatment, will be capable of getting it without having to pay $1,000 per pill, after all if it isn't in the DSM no insurance will cover any treatment options, so I'm getting rather sick of people trying to take out certain disorders out of the DSM as if they think they are helping people. Same with things like Gender Dysphoria, do you think you are doing anyone any favors by trying to get this stricken from the DSM? Do you have any idea how much testosterone treatment will cost if it isn't covered by health insurance? Sorry for the rant.
You know, homosexuality used to be classified as a disorder in the DSM as well.
That is true.

Although, too be fair, that was over 40 years ago. Not too mention at the time the DSM was fundamentally different, based primarily on psychoanalytic theory, it was mostly centered around what is now referred to as "armchair psychology", more interested in the theoretical (and I use this term very loosely) cause of disorders.

Hell, scientific evidence to determine something as a disorder, as well as the symptoms of it, were not widely used until the DSM - IV published in 1994 . . . Whereas the DSM II (which classified homosexuality as a disorder) was wildly useless since their was no check for validity / reliability of disorders and their diagnosis.

In short, while each version does come out with new disorders (as well as remove others), that is not at all the reason for the release of a new version, and in fact has very little to do with it. I think you are thinking something along the lines of - "Homosexuality was once considered a disorder, and then they were wrong, so that is probably the case with asexuality" however the reality is that DSM 1 and 2 were heavily reliant on "guesses" made by "psychiatrists" most likely blitzed out of their mind on cocaine like their predecessor. Needless to say, something is no longer considered a disorder because someone thinks it makes sense for it to be. Similarly, the symptoms that determine someone has a particular disorder is also no longer guessed.
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Pirating_Ninja said:
quukii said:
You know, homosexuality used to be classified as a disorder in the DSM as well.
That is true.

Although, too be fair, that was over 40 years ago. Not too mention at the time the DSM was fundamentally different, based primarily on psychoanalytic theory, it was mostly centered around what is now referred to as "armchair psychology", more interested in the theoretical (and I use this term very loosely) cause of disorders.

Hell, scientific evidence to determine something as a disorder, as well as the symptoms of it, were not widely used until the DSM - IV published in 1994 . . . Whereas the DSM II (which classified homosexuality as a disorder) was wildly useless since their was no check for validity / reliability of disorders and their diagnosis.

In short, while each version does come out with new disorders (as well as remove others), that is not at all the reason for the release of a new version, and in fact has very little to do with it. I think you are thinking something along the lines of - "Homosexuality was once considered a disorder, and then they were wrong, so that is probably the case with asexuality" however the reality is that DSM 1 and 2 were heavily reliant on "guesses" made by "psychiatrists" most likely blitzed out of their mind on cocaine like their predecessor. Needless to say, something is no longer considered a disorder because someone thinks it makes sense for it to be. Similarly, the symptoms that determine someone has a particular disorder is also no longer guessed.


While I agree that it may be valid to classify it as a disorder because it is probably caused by hormonal imbalance or insufficiency, I don't think it's necessarily a negative thing. Not caring about and not thinking about sex seems to me like it encourages productivity in other, more practical areas of life. I honestly don't think I would want to change this part of myself, because I'm more comfortable now than I was when I thought I was heterosexual.
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VagueClarity said:
Pirating_Ninja said:
That is true.

Although, too be fair, that was over 40 years ago. Not too mention at the time the DSM was fundamentally different, based primarily on psychoanalytic theory, it was mostly centered around what is now referred to as "armchair psychology", more interested in the theoretical (and I use this term very loosely) cause of disorders.

Hell, scientific evidence to determine something as a disorder, as well as the symptoms of it, were not widely used until the DSM - IV published in 1994 . . . Whereas the DSM II (which classified homosexuality as a disorder) was wildly useless since their was no check for validity / reliability of disorders and their diagnosis.

In short, while each version does come out with new disorders (as well as remove others), that is not at all the reason for the release of a new version, and in fact has very little to do with it. I think you are thinking something along the lines of - "Homosexuality was once considered a disorder, and then they were wrong, so that is probably the case with asexuality" however the reality is that DSM 1 and 2 were heavily reliant on "guesses" made by "psychiatrists" most likely blitzed out of their mind on cocaine like their predecessor. Needless to say, something is no longer considered a disorder because someone thinks it makes sense for it to be. Similarly, the symptoms that determine someone has a particular disorder is also no longer guessed.


While I agree that it may be valid to classify it as a disorder because it is probably caused by hormonal imbalance or insufficiency, I don't think it's necessarily a negative thing. Not caring about and not thinking about sex seems to me like it encourages productivity in other, more practical areas of life. I honestly don't think I would want to change this part of myself, because I'm more comfortable now than I was when I thought I was heterosexual.
In order for something to be severe enough to be classified as a clinical disorder it needs to:

1.) cause behavioral, psychological or biological dysfunction
2.) cause distress, disability, or a significantly increased risk of suffering death, pain, disability, or an important loss of freedom.
3.) Be culturally abnormal.

Because you note that it does not cause you distress, then it is not a disorder for you. You only meet 2/3 base criteria needed for it to be treated as a clinical disorder. Because you do not experience distress over it, there is no reason to seek help as it does not harm you in any way.

The most recent version also did something about putting everything on a spectrum, and I honestly have no idea how that works with Asexuality but that may be relevant too. Too be honest, the push back against it being labeled as a disorder doesn't do any good since it is still culturally abnormal (abnormal = whatever is not statistically average) so having it be called a disorder or not does little in people treating it as abnormal, and can only do harm since if it is not a disorder then insurances will no longer cover any type of treatment for those who do feel distressed (even if that is only 1/1,000,000). It would also likely kill 99% of any future research into asexuality, since if it cannot make drug companies money, then their is no point.
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I wonder if I even meet 2/3 of those criteria. Is it really that dysfunctional? I don't think it really is--not only are there concerns about overpopulation, but it's not like I couldn't have children if necessary. I don't think it's really a dysfunction on the level of a disorder unless the person has an active aversion to sex.

Asexuality is caused, I think, by either a biological abnormality or by trauma. If we don't call it a disorder, then who's losing out? If someone biologically has no desire for sex, I can't imagine it would cause them distress, because even if they didn't get anything out of it for themselves, they could still have that connection with a lover if they wanted it. If it's from a traumatic experience, they don't need medicine, but therapy. And for those who are biologically unable to have sex, that's a different issue entirely. The only time I can think of it having that effect is if it was a traumatic experience that caused the person physical injury such that they became physically asexual, but again, that isn't necessarily asexuality but rather an injury that should be treated differently from a disorder.

I think any medicines drug companies make for this "disorder" would make them no money in any case, because although there are certainly exceptions to what I described above, as you said, it is very likely extremely rare among people identifying as asexual, so people wouldn't be buying that medicine anyway. I can't see anyone not personally invested in this researching medicines for it, honestly, simply because its cost-efficiency is probably far into the negatives.
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