Chihayafuru
| @flowersorothers Ofcourse if these characters were real people you could be very right. Just don't forget this is fiction. I'm not sure RL rules will really apply at the end of this story. What is wrong with Chihaya ultimately choosing one of the boys. Kana and Komano are dating and no one seems to find it strange. Rion and Makoto are going out in the end. Hiro and Nishida's sister. Taichi's mom and dad met in highschool.....so it's not like in canon no one of their age is dating. They are all almost going on 19 at this stage of the story. Again Sensei can choose not to resolve the romance and just go for a friendship end but her manga is published in a magazine for young women where almost all stories revolve around romance/slice of life called Be Love. Suetsugu san's ulterior mangas are all about romance. The title of this manga is Chihayafuru based on a love poem from the Hyankunin Isshu....which is a collection of poems 80% about romance. Ofcourse Sensei can just leave it.....I can't help but find it a bit strange, and seen how hard she milked the Love triangle... Chihayafuru is more than romance ofcourse but underestimating the importance of romance in this manga seems strange to me. It's not published in Shonen Jump. It's published in a magazine for women of an older catagory than Shoujo. It's up to Sensei in the end. I just hope she has it in her to make the ending as good as some of the emotional climaxes in this story were. |
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| Romance isn't all in this manga but definitely is a very endearing part the mangaka is pushing herself.....if it really was only about friendship or no romance I don't think I would be shipping. Watched enough anime or read mangas where romance isn't relevant and enjoyed very much. Can't be helped, people ship everywhere, even in the SnK fandom where tbh I never got into any shipping at all because indeed there was nothing very romantic going on....very surprised how fierce peeps were ranting about Historia and Mikasa, but I'm digressing. This story romance plot has been there from the start and has certainly been an important leimotiv. It hardly can be otherwise because many of the poems presented by Sensei throughout the years in the story are about love, painful longing etc etc. About Taichi, personally I could have thrown away his romance plot for karuta, that's how invested I was in his karuta but 205 happened. (I have no desire discussing this again here). So it still looks like something isn't resolved with Taichi. It's not only about romance, I hope things will work out for him, finding his own passion...but since this thread is about romance.... let's keep to the subject. I simply think Chihaya has slowly had a change of heart and found out what the true importance of someone in your life means. This love isn't the superficial blushing akwardness you find in shoujo but seems to me be more about a companion in life, someone she found out she is unhappy with out.... the way they support eachother, cry for eachother and want the other to smile has all the ingredients for me to be a great romance and couple in life. I feel Sensei is picturing just that, how she finally realised the love she had was right by her side while she was looking far away, when she only needed to grab his hand. He was always there. As I said this is fiction so Sensei can or not resolve the romance but since she definitely is hiding this and stalling, everyone is just waiting to see if there will be a resolution. Personally I'm not invested in the outcome of the Meijin match, just what it means to Suou(235!!!). I don't like Arata's way of playing karuta, his plotarmour is so thick....it just blew my excitement for the Meijin match. I do want Chihaya to win, because of all the peeps that supported her, Mizusawa and Taichi. If she doesn't it doesn't matter either for me. I'm fine with her winning or losing. It isn't really important anymore. More what she realised is touching.... how she came to be there because of all the people around her. Her passion, having fun, being free. I'll just let Sensei figure that out and sit back and enjoy. If there must be a romance resolution..... I just prefer Chihaya to choose Taichi for my above reasons..I prefer romance having the dynamics Taichihaya have. t8/19 is a pretty reasonable age to go out with eachother, find out about romance.... doesn't mean they will have to marry or anything. They still have careers to think about but I don't see why they would have to condemn themselves to celibate for all their college years. They can combine both. By all means, fans who don't want to ship or not invest themselves in the romance part of the story can just do as they like. I'm the last person who has a problem with that as long as they let me be free to do and think as I like as well. |
chiakimagotoMay 7, 2021 12:25 AM
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| I remembered sth and I wanted to ask.😊 1- in episode 23 of S3, when Taichi confessed to Chihaya, the bell rings and Taichi says that (I didn't hear you). maybe she really didn't reject him? Are we sure what she really says there, is about rejecting?? 2-if you remember, Hiro once told Chihaya that, Thaichi is stronger without you. maybe this is why CHihaya is rejecting Taichi, although I am not sure about the whole rejection.  |
| She did say something *unheard* because Taichi can't hear as well as Chihaya. Even the animators picked up on it. It's pretty ironic that Chihaya hears very well though, hearing Taichi speaking about his fading feelings. Between hearing and not hearing, I hope these 2 will get a chance to talk while listening carefully to eachother. |
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chiakimagoto said: yeah I hope that happens.She did say something *unheard* because Taichi can't hear as well as Chihaya. Even the animators picked up on it. It's pretty ironic that Chihaya hears very well though, hearing Taichi speaking about his fading feelings. Between hearing and not hearing, I hope these 2 will get a chance to talk while listening carefully to eachother. |
flowersorothers said: first of all thanks for quick response😅. I know that Taichi accepted that conversation as a reject. But what I asked was that, according to manga and anime , are we 100% sure that she really rejected him in the way taichi thinks???chiakimagoto said: About Taichi, personally I could have thrown away his romance plot for karuta, that's how invested I was in his karuta but 205 happened. (I have no desire discussing this again here). About Taichi, personally I could have thrown away his romance plot for karuta, that's how invested I was in his karuta but 205 happened. (I have no desire discussing this again here). So it still looks like something isn't resolved with Taichi. Personally it wouldn’t have mattered if he had lost by 2 cards or 18 cards. Well, if you don’t want to discuss it it’s fine anyway. Of course something isn’t resolved with Taichi. Isn’t that what the void Chitose was talking about? chiakimagoto said: By all means, fans who don't want to ship or not invest themselves in the romance part of the story can just do as they like. I'm the last person who has a problem with that as long as they let me be free to do and think as I like as well. “As long as they let you be free (…)”? Is this implying that I do not? I did say that both Taichi and Arata have good foundation for a relationship with her and that it isn’t impossible. What I was trying to point out in my first post is that I don’t get why the posts in this thread are so over the edge about who she will end up with when both of the guys have more or less the same chance. Shinkiroshi said: I remembered sth and I wanted to ask.😊 1- in episode 23 of S3, when Taichi confessed to Chihaya, the bell rings and Taichi says that (I didn't hear you). maybe she really didn't reject him? Are we sure what she really says there, is about rejecting?? She said “sorry” in a really quiet voice. It’s in the manga, and in the anime she was mouthing the word. Whether she meant it as a rejection or in a “sorry I didn’t notice” way, Taichi did take it as a rejection (his conversation with Chitose where Chitose asked him if he liked Chihaya, and he said “I’ve been rejected though”.). |
| @Shinkiroshi I have no idea what Chihaya was really thinking. I have some ideas but I guess we will have to be patient and see if Sensei ever goes back to that moment. She has been hammering alot about listening and not hearing one's own feelings so I wonder where this is going to lead. Especially cause there is alot going on about special hearing qualities. Btw Taichi is maybe the only one who tried to understand that special ability and hone it while training with Suou. Listening to the poems, or "songs" as said in Japanese, you can sometimes listen to a song without really hearing the words and understanding the feelings expressed in them. You know you understand when it emotionally hits you, that the feelings have been conveyed. This happens several times in the story in such an awesome way, that you kind of break down in tears. @flowersorothers, "why everyone is so over the edge"?, Probably because of the subject of this thread? Just ignore me if my posts bother you, that sort of works out pretty well for everyone. Being free is not directed to you on a personal level, I reassure you. I hope you feel free as well. I just want to exchange opinions in a peaceful passionate way because I love this story. It's true at this point of the story both boys have an important role in eachother's and Chihaya's life....I just think each role is very different seen the different facets of Chiha and how each of the trio has made a special attachment to Chiha. The only thing I do think is that the heroine of the manga should at least deeply understand the background, meaning and feelings of her poem. The love in the poem isn't a light crush. It's a pretty heavy love story....the love is a fringed with alot of pain and longing, trying to hide it in an autumn scenery to tell his beloved one just how much he loves her... Passion comes in different ways, passion for karuta, passion for ones team, passion in love..... Chihayafuru will probably be a climax of all of them. About that void talk with Chitose, which was very interesting because you can't live off someone else's passion and have to fill that up yourself if you want to really find inner happiness. Someone else's love definitely can't fill that. You have to fill that special place yourself. I do fervently hope Taichi will feel a true passion awaken inside of him. His karuta was always such a desperate exciting part of the story for me, the part that made me look deeper. I do think Chitose also pushed him to go back because she saw right through him, how much he really wanted to be there. He went back because he really did what he wanted in the moment he turned back, listening to his own heart for once, going back for karuta, Suou, Arata.......Chihaya and himself. |
chiakimagotoMay 7, 2021 5:03 AM
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Shinkiroshi said: I remembered sth and I wanted to ask.😊 1- in episode 23 of S3, when Taichi confessed to Chihaya, the bell rings and Taichi says that (I didn't hear you). maybe she really didn't reject him? Are we sure what she really says there, is about rejecting?? 2-if you remember, Hiro once told Chihaya that, Thaichi is stronger without you. maybe this is why CHihaya is rejecting Taichi, although I am not sure about the whole rejection. "Sorry" is a known rejection in Japan. Taichi was just being a bit petty because of how low and quiet her voice was when rejecting him. The manga makes it more clear and adds a note about how his line can be translated differently such as " I'm nasty so I can't hear you" and "Your quiet voice is creepy so I can't hear you". |
| The desire to be loved is the last illusion. Give it up and you will be free. |
| In many romantic stories the guy is rejected first, the most known that comes to mind is Pride and Prejudice. Jane Austen liked that trope and also used it in Persuasion. Being rejected in a story might not be a definite conclusion at all. Taichi definitely took it as a rejection, but his departure gave Chihaya a cold shower probably making her start looking at her feelings and the boys from a different angle. In that departure scene they both were a mess for sure...neither was probably thinking straight. I'm no fan of this demon mode stuff but this behaviour of Arata is actually threaded through the manga. He never was as calm as was suggested at the start. They all 3 had/have issues to take head on |
chiakimagotoMay 8, 2021 1:31 AM
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| @flowersorothers, nice post "Over the edge", I'm afraid I don't understand what that means.... English isn't my first language...can you explain? What I really hope, is that the mangaka won't lose her cool with the ending nearing and be able to write/draw the finale with the emotional climax she has sometimes pictured in this manga. I guess she must have thought the ending through many times and now must carefully place and connect the details to make it some memorable, something you keep coming back to, like many of the parts of the manga I have read and revisited over the years. Every time you reread you can actually find new connections, it's really a good story. Gomen for this long rant...I think I lost the thread of thought a bit. There is so much going on, I find it hard to organise in a short post so I cropped it the tag, lol. |
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| At the challenger both boys were there. |
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| So far rn no one yet but I’m personally rooting for arata but I shouldn’t get my hopes up since in every Love triangle anime I watch the person I’m always rooting for always looses. Also rn in the manga Taichi looks like he caught Chihaya eye SorryItIsTaichi said: Sorry guys but it's Taichi. He has an underdog story, coming up from the bottom, and literally devoting all his time on Karuta just to get Chihaya to notice him. Not to mention he actually spends time with Chihaya, unlike Arata. You may counter with something like "but when Arata said he loved her she felt like she'd melt!" She feels the same way about anyone who was good at Karuta, she said she tried to make Dr. Hanada her valentines every year, except for the years where Taichi was back. Taichi is now good at Karuta and he has a bond with Chihaya that goes further than Karuta. Arata just can't compete. P.S. Arata is probably going to end up with his next-door neighbour that keeps cooking him food. You literally created a new account just to say it’s Taichi |
| If there's a hole there's a goal-Master Oogway |
| I personally don't give a damn about the romance, I can't really consider Chihayafuru a romance since that aspect is really subtle throughout the whole series. But rn nobody (ik this is a 4 yr old thread lol) |
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| @kokoronashigumi, was he really that unreachable at the challenger? Her dream came true: they were reunited as a trio on the tatami. Taichi came back to karuta even if he left and was there with Arata and her. What could she want more of Taichi tbh? He obviously is still her friend, helped her at the challenger as a teammate should, wished her and Arata well in the most sincere way. Shouldn't she be satisfied? Why does she want him to be at the finals so desperately, enough to imagine him there?? Why was she bothered by his fading romantic feelings....!? Shouldn't she be relieved? She knows she can't have him back like before....she can be friends with him, which he obviously still is but be her closest person? What does she want? For him to come and watch? To be her support? She has all her support there plus Arata...why be so upset? Why think such things as she did in 234? Did she only now realise to which extent he was important to her? |
chiakimagotoMay 18, 2021 2:51 AM
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And he did wish the best for her and Arata, but not to her face, just to Arata and Sensei and other people around her. Considering the time they spent together, her attending all his important matches and him attending hers, him just "wishing" doesn't feel complete to their usual dynamics for me. @kokoronashigumi, how can their usual dynamics got back to like before??? That's impossible. Before their dynamics was of a boy in an unrequited love with his best friend, and her basking in that love without knowing. That can never be anymore Or she reciprocates that love because she misses it terribly. Or she has to accept that their dynamics have changed and he is no more than a friend. He did wish her directly well *and you become the best in the world*! With all his heart he wished it. His heart is broken but he wished her well with a smile. With the declaration of the eventual fading of his romantic feelings for her, yes she lost "that love". If she doesn't want to reciprocate it, she must be able to accept the change in their dynamics. There is a chance she doesn't want to lose that love, because she wants to share it with him, she wants to share that important moment with him. Because she has realised he is her closest person. Chihaya has already felt so bad about crushing his feelings, she's not the clueless girl she used to be....she now knows better. How can she want him to come and only break his heart more. She can be friends with him. They always will be, just not like before if she has Arata in the first place in her heart. Does she? They still can be friends all 3....but they never will be 12 years old again. Life is ever changing,and their teenage almost stepping into adult selves can only cherish those childhood memories warmly because they never will be the same. There will always be a new dynamic..... it's simply life and growing up that makes it like that... It also can simply be she understand the great importance of Taichi in her life, and has maybe started to look at him in a different way than her best friend of the past, but something new: It's Taichi, but a Taichi she doesn't fully know yet, but is open to meet now. |
chiakimagotoMay 18, 2021 7:06 AM
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| Ofcourse Taichi will always be Chihaya's friend but just not as close as he was before if she ends up with Arata. If they end up together they will be best friends and more. Arata can also stay friends with them if Taichi and Chihaya end up together, he'll probably get over it too, especially because he never was as close as Taichi was with Chihaya. Whatever happens the dynamics of their childhood selves will change. I don't think Chihaya will always be clueless. She has matured in the meantime and it all has sunk in. Probably her heart will speak for itself....which I think is already happening since the challenger. "He was always here" right by her side, 16/17 |
chiakimagotoMay 23, 2021 5:02 AM
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| Actually, it's easy, you look at the chapters that sucite the most comments and on a little scale here you already know. |
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| as i have said before taichi deserves way better han chihaya, taichi my boi, shouldn't lump himself with losers like chihaya or arata, i mean who gives a damn about karuta, taichi should just leave karuta and focus on something he is good at |
TokuchiToua123 said: lmao, laughed at the "i mean who gives a damn about karuta"as i have said before taichi deserves way better han chihaya, taichi my boi, shouldn't lump himself with losers like chihaya or arata, i mean who gives a damn about karuta, taichi should just leave karuta and focus on something he is good at |
Cazqui-09 said: just kidding hahah, i mean i know the manga is about karuta but still it just hurts seeing taichi struggle, cuz i have been in a similar situation not long agoTokuchiToua123 said: lmao, laughed at the "i mean who gives a damn about karuta"as i have said before taichi deserves way better han chihaya, taichi my boi, shouldn't lump himself with losers like chihaya or arata, i mean who gives a damn about karuta, taichi should just leave karuta and focus on something he is good at |
TokuchiToua123 said: yeah, i totally get it. i've liked a friend before, and not even halfway through but from the start. i've been knew that chihayafuru isn't about romance, chihaya makes that obvious enough with her intense fixation on karuta. but every time i look at taichi, that miserable fk... 100% if chihaya didn't exist, he wouldn't be playing karuta. i do see him as wasting his time on a fruitless endeavor, especially when he's a catch. that's just me tho.Cazqui-09 said: just kidding hahah, i mean i know the manga is about karuta but still it just hurts seeing taichi struggle, cuz i have been in a similar situation not long agolmao, laughed at the "i mean who gives a damn about karuta" |
| The fairest ending would be that one between Arata and Taichi becomes the Meijin, and the other one gets Chihaya. But, you know, life isn't fair... Arata getting both and Taichi nothing doesn't feel right, though. I think it's more likely that the romance will be left unresolved, something like "we'll see how things work out when Arata moves to Tokyo". Basically a 99% Arata x Chihaya, while also leaving a 1% glimmer of hope for Taichi shippers. |
| she ends up with, by far the best boy of the series |
Suntears said: she ends up with, by far the best boy of the series So true 😭😭😭 |
| Yeah gosh, it happened 😭😭😭💓 |
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 I almost had an attack when it happened, I wasn't expecting this at all, have giving up years ago. |
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| As Sensei said: if you think that the endgame doesn’t make sense, reread the whole story. Apparently you did it wrong 😉😉 |
| lets go Taichi! My boy didnt get Vampire Knight'd! I hope to see this animated |
| I’m so happy for my boy 😭 |
   “Don’t cry. Not yet. Just feeling the frustration is enough” |
| I don't like Taichi and I think I figured out why. The characters' struggles in Chihayafuru are often depicted in an indirect and poetic way through karuta, but Taichi is the only one to have such raw, heavy, real and ugly emotions on display for all of us readers to see. So while that might make Taichi the most relatable and best written character in the manga, 90% of the drama in Chihayafuru came from him so it kinda felt like he was spoiling my fun. So the problem, to me, is that Taichi has been written differently from the other characters. He's a romance/drama character in a sports/slice of life manga. |
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