| Hm , so i was reading a manga where the mc was like " No matter how hard you try , if you have no talent you won't surpass me " , so i'm wondering , is it really impossible to pass the level of a talented one with hard work ? |
| I personally think if anyone tries hard enough in something, they can surpass even a professional/talented person. |
| Depends. A talented hard worker will always surpass an equally hard working but untalented person. But ambition and determination itself are talents if you ask me. You have no choice on how naturally smart you are. Likewise you don't really have much of a choice on how naturally hardworking and ambitious you are. Everyone is born with different levels of talent as well as emotional strength and willpower. |
| Because I believe that work will get you everything, because human capacity is infinite. I consider talent as a head start compared to those with none, however, with certain effort given by the hard worker, I'm definitely sure he/she can surmount the talented one (that is, if he doesn't work hard) |
| "A dropout can surpass a genius through hardwork" --Rock Lee (funny coz it never happened to him) In reality, if we say just talented but not hardworking in comparison to hardworking but not talented, it is possible that the latter can surpass the former. |
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DarkAngel035 said: "A dropout can surpass a genius through hardwork" --Rock Lee (funny coz it never happened to him) In reality, if we say just talented but not hardworking in comparison to hardworking but not talented, it is possible that the latter can surpass the former. À Rock lee is a good example, the thing is he's an anime character, sorry. |
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| depends on the level of talent and hard work really, if the level of talent is so high then an average level of hard work will not able to surpass the genius and vice versa but i think there is just those rare high level geniuses that are above anyone else really |
Fuchsia said: DarkAngel035 said: "A dropout can surpass a genius through hardwork" --Rock Lee (funny coz it never happened to him) In reality, if we say just talented but not hardworking in comparison to hardworking but not talented, it is possible that the latter can surpass the former. À Rock lee is a good example, the thing is he's an anime character, sorry. Yeah, just made mention about it coz I like his principle but never came true to him. |
| That feeling when you feel you know the feeling of not feeling any feel at all. Get the feeling? |
DarkAngel035 said: Fuchsia said: Rock lee is a good example, the thing is he's an anime character, sorry. Yeah, just made mention about it coz I like his principle but never came true to him. I mean he was pretty strong, maybe even stronger than neji who represented talent. nonetheless, anime. |
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Fuchsia said: DarkAngel035 said: Yeah, just made mention about it coz I like his principle but never came true to him. I mean he was pretty strong, maybe even stronger than neji who represented talent. nonetheless, anime. It's not an issue who quotes it, anime or not. But the statement still holds true in life. "A dropout can surpass a genius through hardwork" Also I added another opinion in relation to the OP. |
| That feeling when you feel you know the feeling of not feeling any feel at all. Get the feeling? |
| Talent almost always beats hard work, because in the end the talented individual can achieve the same as a very hardworking individual with much less effort. If the talented individual works as hard as the less talented individual, he will never achieve less. The natural affinity for a specific field can never be outshone by a hard working individual unless the talented individual in question is very lazy. |
| If talent doesn't put in the hard work, then yeah they'll get surpassed. |
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| As long as someone isnt mentally impaired they can easily work hard enough to gain more skills than a gifted person. As for actual aptitude and creativity, that I dont know. |
| I've been here way too long... |
| Its not possible to surpass a genius. Genius LITERALLY means "better than you in some way", so no, you cant beat genius with hard work no matter for how long or how hard you try. However, that in no way means that you should stop giving it your 100% because otherwise, that would just be a waste of potential. Yes OP, not all people are born with equal potential. |
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| To a certain extent, yes. I mean, will always be some people who can do a lot more with the same resources, and obviously resources are limited. |
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| Why is everyone assume that this 'talented' would NEVER work hard and give bullshit about hark worker without talent can surpass them. Elder people telling fairytale that hard worker always surpass talent encourage people, but in the end, it is just a fairytale. |
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| Talent and hard work aren't separate: they go hand in hand. |
| If you are talented each step takes much less time and effort, and some things are nearly impossible for the other person.But everybody is talented at something, it's just that our society doesn't need some talents at all. |
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| hey this same thing again? why cant people use the fucking search? its annoying. |
| Talent definitely exists. A talented person learns better and faster than an untalented one. But I also think that with hard work you can achieve almost anything (with some exceptions). |
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| Hardwork is everything. Talent ain't shit.. Talking from personal experience. |
| I don't know, I remember hearing Kevin Durant saying "Hard work beats talent when talent fails to do hard work", otherwise, no. I always saw that having raw, gifted talent means you struggle less naturally doing something compared to other less talented people, and maybe have a higher ceiling than someone who doesn't have the natural ability. |
| Talent is something you create. Some people have the right genes and have a better starting. However, for most things in life you have to work for. You don't become a comedian or an actor or an artist in a day. You practice your skills constantly, look for sources of inspiration and so forth. Sometimes things just 'happen' to you, like how Deftones suddenly wrote "Change" but they had a string of songs before that one. Hard work doesn't always pays off but it raises the probability. |
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| "Practice makes perfect, but only the right kind of practice", "10,000 hours in any field is enough to achieve mastery in that field". Some people are born with a natural talent for something, but generally hard work is what makes you better at something. |
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| Hard work can beat talent, if the talent doesn't work at all. If we envision that the maximum level of someone's ability is set in stone, someone with talent will always have a higher maximum level of ability than someone without talent, going with the assumption that talented and gifted people have a higher max potential. If A has a max of 100 but B has a max of 120, it's very possible for A to beat B if both of them are under 100, but as soon as B overtakes A's max, it's no longer possible for A to beat B. That's my take on talent. A talented person can work just as hard as an untalented person, but an untalented person is, as the name suggests, untalented and therefore cannot make the reverse true. |
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| Effort will never betray you!!!!!! |
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| No Talent + no work < No Talent + work = Talent + no work < Talent + work. |
| Surely we all have different attitudes, anyway also a genius have to work intensely if he/she wants to obtain results, so the hard work is always the best |
Dessembrae said: hardwork+talent>hardwork+no talent>no hardwork+talent>no hardwork+no talent Basically this ^ Although dependent on the topic, it eventually will cap off and who you are will play the bigger factor. |
| Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard. That being said, if talent decides to work hard, then just hard work will never compare. That's life. |
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| You can try to achieve anything you want through hard work. If you don't put in the hours it'll lead nowhere. |
TippitakJun 10, 2016 4:55 PM
| At the lower and mid-levels of competition it's possible to outwork and outperform talent, as this is when the biggest gains can be made. But at the elite levels, the gifted own the day because in that strata everyone is working their asses off. Unfortunately, you're only going so far without natural talent - doesn't matter how hard you work. I'm sorry, but this "you can achieve anything if you want it" meme is rubbish, especially in sport... |
DouluoJun 10, 2016 5:14 PM
| In my opinion, talent without hard work is nothing, while hard work can help you to reach a good level in whatever you do, although you don't have natural talent. Obviously, the best combination is talent+hard work, but if I have to choose which is more important, I'll say that it's hard work. |
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| As far as things like sports go Talent always, hard work can only do so much but when you're performing at the highest level you can't rely on effort alone you need the technical skills as well as good decision making to be great. |
Dessembrae said: Shaheen- said: No Talent + no work < No Talent + work = Talent + no work < Talent + work. Nice copypasta. :^) I guess I should have added >=between hardwork+no talent and no hardwork+talent. We are the minions. Our job is to copy-pasta as it is. You have defiled the sanctity of our brotherhood. You'll be punished accordingly. But seriously, you aint even worth punishment. |
| The thing is most skills can only be developed so much... While a talented person may reach that level of skill a lot faster there's no difference when both parties have hit the ceiling. |
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AxBattler said: Agreed with the poster above. You can go from below average to above average with hard work, but once you compete at the highest level, chances are you can't outtrain others without getting injured. And even outside sports I think that it is possible to become great at something if you put the effort. To be at the top of the other 7B people in the world at something though, you are going to need to be very blessed (and put the effort). We are all bound by the same number of hour per day and the amount of hard work we can put is bound by that. But pretty much everyone in those major leagues worked hard, no? Is there any athlete that was simply born fit, and didn't have to go through crazy training for this? |
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| If people don't have any immediate talent, then they try to make up for it through hard work. Though there are talented people who can't be easily outmatched by someone who does everything through hard work. |
| I think talented people will always carry some sort of charm in what they do. Its why some people are more famous in a certain field than others. |
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| work hard all you want because a talented person will end up shitting on you and without much effort :p |
| Talent. Better if the talent works hard |
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