| I thought it was the other way around, people disliked yuri but not yaoi, guess I was wrong. (?) |
tsudecimo said: Sapewloth said: Eh, I'd say at this point it's really just a matter of personal experience, because I believe there are quite a few examples of anime/manga that have yuri undertones which aren't in detrimental to the characters in the way you described. Not that I know a lot of them, but I do have some counter-examples in mind: -Utena and Anthy in the TV series (I've seen some fans deny the romantic/sexual aspect of their relationship more than once, even though the movie completely debunks the theory that they weren't gay for each other) -Neptune and Uranus in Sailor Moon (as well as a few other relationships with homosexual undertones) -Saber and Irisviel in F/0 : very subtle and not really romantic (then again romance is not 100% necessary in yuri) but doesn't detract either characters from the role they're being given in the story. etc. I suppose. Yeah, also for me it's definitely a personal preference. One of the reasons why I dropped Utena was because I didn't care or want to see yuri stuff the yuri interest of Utena in particular seemed like the type of character I would find annoying. Along with how Utena the characters and the male antagonists seem to be the reverse of their stereotypical gender roles. Iris and Saber o_o Tbh, I've never seen them like this. Sure Saber looked like a Knight that always escorted Iris, but I didn't feel it was more than friendship and mutual respect, not to mention that Iris was in love with Kerry. Very subtle indeed and proves your point about it not being detrimental to the characters. But how can yuri be non-romantic? I can understand platonic counting but non-romantic as well? About your SnK example. This is exactly what I actually want to happen. In contrast to Madoka, their relationship is much more clearer, and especially considering the world they live in, it only makes their desire to protect each other that much believable. I don't even consider it an undertone, it's pretty much canon like you said. That a good example of Yuri outside a yuri series, one that I don't have a problem with, but I think is good. Although there are quite a lot of fanarts out there, I knew you'd be surprised about SaberxIri, haha. It's probably because as Ikuhara pointed out, female-female relationships are usually harder to detect and as a result we tend not pay as much attention to interactions between two girls when it's not purposefully emphasized. But even if shippers get a little crazy at times, pairings rarely come out of nowhere; so I guess that most fans were attracted by the knight/princess aspect of Saber and Iri's relationship dynamics. Now to answer your question, yuri is, contrary to yaoi, not only focused on romance and thus lesbianism: it refers to any kind of work that focuses on any kind of intimate relationship between women, whether they be emotional, sentimental, sexual etc. So it encompasses a lot of things, actually. I get what you mean about SnK (compared with how it's handled in Madoka Magica). Openly lesbian relationships is also something I wouldn't mind seeing more in anime. MortalMelancholy said: That's a pretty reductive view of both genres.Mayuka said: implying LGBT shows involve sexual content Both "Yaoi" and "Yuri" imply it (to me, at least). As opposed to "Shounen Ai" and "Shoujo Ai." |
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| I could careless about either. |
| Because anime is dominated by males and these people think that yuri is pure while yaoi is more sexually focused. |
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| Because many people are male. |
| If you generalize, you're wrong. |
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sedmelluq said: Because many people are male. And many people are female. |
Claoxy said: There are more males on this forum, therefore less yaoi fans lolThat's not true, there are a lot of yaoi fans. There's just a lot more yuri anime than yaoi. ixaa said: Many people on this forum*sedmelluq said: Because many people are male. And many people are female. |
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| For me and this is coming from a female perspective it's because yaoi has a lot of terrible troupes that need to die. Every time I watch a shounen ai it's almost always one guy molesting the other into a relationship. Why can't I just have a nice gay romance without rape in it(That being said there are exceptions like Love Stage which did have one rapey scene which was immediately dismissed as bad). That being said there are yuri troupes I don’t like either the girls are either portrayed as innocent school girls who will "grow out of it" or creepy stalkers that have something wrong with them(Why YuriKuma is so great it takes those two lesbian stereotypes to the extreme and smashes them). Japan needs to fix it's skewed views of homosexuals. |
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Sarahtoga104 said: For me and this is coming from a female perspective it's because yaoi has a lot of terrible troupes that need to die. Every time I watch a shounen ai it's almost always one guy molesting the other into a relationship. Why can't I just have a nice gay romance without rape in it(That being said there are exceptions like Love Stage which did have one rapey scene which was immediately dismissed as bad). That being said there are yuri troupes I don’t like either the girls are either portrayed as innocent school girls who will "grow out of it" or creepy stalkers that have something wrong with them(Why YuriKuma is so great it takes those two lesbian stereotypes to the extreme and smashes them). Japan needs to fix it's skewed views of homosexuals. IIRC, japanese females have some sort of rape fetish. Literally, almost 90% of all yaoi mangas that I've read have a seme that forces the uke to have sex with him in a rapey manner. |
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| Because majority are straight. Yaoi isn't that bad tbh ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) |
| Because Yuri fans are not cancerous like the yaoi ones are |
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spike12ify said: Because Yuri fans are not cancerous like the yaoi ones are both fanbases can be pretty disgusting tbh of course not all of them are but there's just some yuri/yaoi fans who are super cancerous |
Tenshi_Shura said: more like 60%IIRC, japanese females have some sort of rape fetish. Literally, almost 90% of all yaoi mangas that I've read have a seme that forces the uke to have sex with him in a rapey manner. the older ones use the rape trope really badly but there's a lot of new series that are consensual and i'm loving that change spike12ify said: neither are cancerousBecause Yuri fans are not cancerous like the yaoi ones are |
Mayuka said: spike12ify said: neither are cancerousBecause Yuri fans are not cancerous like the yaoi ones are From my experience, they're both cancerous. |
Tenshi_Shura said: Good thing that not all japanese females are into yaoi, then.Sarahtoga104 said: <br />For me and this is coming from a female perspective it's because yaoi has a lot of terrible troupes that need to die. Every time I watch a shounen ai it's almost always one guy molesting the other into a relationship. Why can't I just have a nice gay romance without rape in it(That being said there are exceptions like Love Stage which did have one rapey scene which was immediately dismissed as bad). That being said there are yuri troupes I don’t like either the girls are either portrayed as innocent school girls who will "grow out of it" or creepy stalkers that have something wrong with them(Why YuriKuma is so great it takes those two lesbian stereotypes to the extreme and smashes them).<br /> <br /> Japan needs to fix it's skewed views of homosexuals. <br /> IIRC, japanese females have some sort of rape fetish. Literally, almost 90% of all yaoi mangas that I've read have a seme that forces the uke to have sex with him in a rapey manner. |
| Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
| It's funny, after all that (which i didn't read), the answer is actually philosophical. Well most simply put, if you were to take a vote from all humans on which sex they thought was more beautiful, majority would say female, females included. As a race, most people prefer the female form (sometimes even gays admit women are prettier). Then there's also a biological (and tested factor) that female sexuality is a lot more flexible than males. A guy is more likely to oppose that which outside their set fetishes, whereas a girl is more likely to have a lot more flexibility. Again tested: it's a lot easier to arouse a woman than it is to arouse a man. Thus yuri is more universally accepted. Also, it's more cute. PS: japanese media is completely centred around glorifying girls. It's almost always either by girls or about girls. Stuff that doesn't concern girls or at least guys who like girls, is rare. So girls are more appreciated all around. |
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| Because yuri evolves two females. Unlike yaoi which evolves two males? With that being said its all base on sexual preference. Do you like seeing two girls go at? Yes. Then watch yuri. Do you like seeing to guys go at it? Yes. Then watch yaoi. If you like one you mostly inclind to dislike the other, or you may even enjoy both. It all goes back to sexual preference. Nothing more nothing less. |
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Sapewloth said: Implying being into Yaoi means you like rape....................Good thing that not all japanese females are into yaoi, then. |
AltoRoark99 said: Mayuka said: <br />neither are cancerous From my experience, they're both cancerous. For me finding a Yuri fan is pretty rare, let alone them being cancerous. Yaoi fans make every male in an anime gay and you see it EVERYWHERE. Fucking annoying. Then there would be that one kid (if any) that would make a Yuri ship, at least it ain't everywhere. |
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Mayuka said: didn't mean to imply that at all. I'm just making a dumb reply to a dumb post.Sapewloth said: Implying being into Yaoi means you like rape....................Good thing that not all japanese females are into yaoi, then. |
| Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
| Guys in yaoi, I say, are too sensitive. Girls in yuri-- well... They are quite aggressive. |
spike12ify said: Yaoi fans make every male in an anime gay and you see it EVERYWHERE. Fucking annoying. Then there would be that one kid (if any) that would make a Yuri ship, at least it ain't everywhere. Both yaoi and yuri fans have homo goggles on though It's not that surprising At least they're not making characters heteronormative |
15poundfish said: Yaoi is just female rape fantasies with gorillas. Yuri is often innocent, lots of rainbows and love. Its clear which one is superior. Junjo Romantica tho |
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Paintedsongbird said: but Junjou Romantica is a rape fantasy15poundfish said: Yaoi is just female rape fantasies with gorillas. Yuri is often innocent, lots of rainbows and love. Its clear which one is superior. Junjo Romantica tho |
Noxious_ said: hoopla123 said: Straight men don't like gay sex/porn/romance. Simple as that. I beg to differ. I am a straight man that loves to watch hardcore gay porn, yaoi, and I also jerk off to hot guys. |
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| Because we live in a sexist society. And pls, the anime may be gross, but love someone else? Get off. |
HeyHarp said: Guys in yaoi, I say, are too sensitive. Girls in yuri-- well... They are quite aggressive. don't really see why that's a problem. Sarahtoga104 said: For me and this is coming from a female perspective it's because yaoi has a lot of terrible troupes that need to die. Every time I watch a shounen ai it's almost always one guy molesting the other into a relationship. Why can't I just have a nice gay romance without rape in it(That being said there are exceptions like Love Stage which did have one rapey scene which was immediately dismissed as bad). That being said there are yuri troupes I don’t like either the girls are either portrayed as innocent school girls who will "grow out of it" or creepy stalkers that have something wrong with them(Why YuriKuma is so great it takes those two lesbian stereotypes to the extreme and smashes them). Japan needs to fix it's skewed views of homosexuals. ^^^ true. a quite reasonable answer as to why somebody might dislike yaoi |
| homophobia by straight males :^) same reason why lesbian porn is considered "hot" while gay porn is taboo. |
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slicesofcake said: Mayuka said: They do though They probably emphasize character development more than any fan If you read doujins (the non sexual ones) and fanfiction, you'd be surprised by how well written they are I'm amazed how female fans (esp fujoshi) can make a simple shounen sausagefest show into something really complex and well written Really? Well, maybe I could try reading them sometime. I'm just talking about what I've seen on Twitter, for example. Whenever there's a new episode of Haikyuu!!, everyone (who's fujoshi) is talking about how Akaashi and Bokuto are so gay for each other, who's uke and who's seme, or about Kenma and Kuroo, or Hinata and Kageyama... but it's always about the ships, how they're gay, how they should be together. No one talks about their character development, especially between Hinata and Kageyama. That's why I got that impression. what is up with people (sorry, fangirls, they're the only creatures who'd do this) gaying up haikyuu and kuroko? fair enough, i haven't seen basket, but there is absolutely no air of that in haikyuu. i honestly don't get it. everyone knows free has that air but everyone also knows that it's geared towards fangirls who eat that stuff up anyway. but that's like the only one. |
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| I never realized how popular yaoi was until looking up the numbers here on MAL. Anime: >Yaoi (38) >Yuri (37) Manga: >Yaoi (4,631)!! >Yuri (478) There's almost 10x more yaoi manga than yuri manga...as a yuri fan I am jealous of you girls who get endless amounts of yaoi. |
PhannDec 24, 2015 7:46 PM
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| Huh? Is that the majority? I actually enjoy yaoi much more then yuri. |
| I don't dislike yaoi or yuri (just hentai versions). Why do people dislike yaoi but not yuri? Because most of the people who like yuri are men, and most men who are into yuri will most likely not be into dudes. However, I think it's fucking stupid when people debate which one is better. I mean come on, really? How can you debate if yuri is better than yaoi? |
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BadAppleWhite said: homophobia by straight males :^) same reason why lesbian porn is considered "hot" while gay porn is taboo. your comment wins comment of the day! |
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Phann said: don't y'all get more longer yuri series though?Manga: >Yaoi (4,631)!! >Yuri (478) There's almost 10x more yaoi manga than yuri manga...as a yuri fan I am jealous of you girls who get endless amounts of yaoi. have you tried comparing shounen-ai to shoujo-ai? also, there's way more shoujo-ai anime to the other.. i think |
Mayuka said: also, there's way more shoujo-ai anime to the other.. i think Shoujo Ai (51) < Shounen Ai (61) Yuri (37) < Yaoi (38) |
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| No wonder that people dislike it. To be fair, yaoi is generally an ecchi for girls. It's poorly written, has lots of tropes and fanservice is everywhere... I though which that was the reason, but then I recalled that n°6 was pretty decent and people was bitching because "it has gays". But nobody has problems with Urobuchi lesbians. How hypocrite. TL;DR: People is more homophobic towards men than women. |
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Vindstot said: Compare episode length + series length.Mayuka said: also, there's way more shoujo-ai anime to the other.. i think Shoujo Ai (51) < Shounen Ai (61) Yuri (37) < Yaoi (38) Most BL are OVAs as in 1-2 episodes long. |
KonaKoffee4 said: homophobia by straight males :^) lol, being scared of gays Zenosara said: I'm not the biggest fan of yaoi. I'm happy that others enjoy watching it, but it's not for me. And I prefer yuri. I mean have you seen Strawberry Panic?! Great lesbian show. I just want more girl love in anime.. not a fan of either, but i'd choose yuri in a heartbeat before yaoi. and that's only if i had a choice. on my own...yea not touching that stuff lol |
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| This has been already answered, but I'll repeat it anyway. Most anime fans (Otaku) are male, which means that yuri/lesbianism is popular among us. Why? Because we're already attracted to females, so having double the female is almost double the fun. Likewise, the females in our fanbase are drawn to yaoi for the same reason, double the male is almost double the fun. Most otakus dislike yaoi because frankly, they aren't Gay. In other words, they're not turned on at the sight of a male. |
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Talidin1337 said: This has been already answered, but I'll repeat it anyway. Most anime fans (Otaku) are male, which means that yuri/lesbianism is popular among us. Why? Because we're already attracted to females, so having double the female is almost double the fun. Likewise, the females in our fanbase are drawn to yaoi for the same reason, double the male is almost double the fun. Most otakus dislike yaoi because frankly, they aren't Gay. In other words, they're not turned on at the sight of a male. >lesbianism I stopped reading there. |
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