Immahnoob said: highspot said: Woah, people use terms with different definitions by using other definitions, mothafuckas!But the point was brought up about tiptoeing around "argue" and using "debate" instead (which the OP commented on), you gave technical definitions and said that's the end, I explained that people use them differently regardless of what one dictionary says. No, that's not always true, and I said that it is the case of OP, which is why it is the end. Sarcasm aside, it may not always be true, but it's true here. So no, your dictionary definitions aren't the end because other points were brought up which you are ignoring. The OP uses them interchangeably. The question was "why the tiptoeing". The tiptoeing was explained. That's the end. I think this particular line of comments is a case-in-point of arguing/debating online being pointless. Especially when one person argues to their own point regardless of what others bring to the discussion. |
highspot said: Which are irrelevant to the topic, considering OP used it as the definitions that are synonymous.Sarcasm aside, it may not always be true, but it's true here. So no, your dictionary definitions aren't the end because other points were brought up which you are ignoring. highspot said: I don't think you get it. The guy that said they're not the same thing was irrelevant to the topic, and I ended him. The OP uses them interchangeably. The question was "why the tiptoeing". The tiptoeing was explained. That's the end. Get it? Kek, the puns. highspot said: That's because your stance is a whole strawman.I think this particular line of comments is a case-in-point of arguing/debating online being pointless. Especially when one person argues to their own point regardless of what others bring to the discussion. |
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Immahnoob said: Which are irrelevant to the topic, considering OP used it as the definitions that are synonymous. The OP even joined in on the discussion, giving Wikipedia definitions. It may be irrelevant to the initial question, but this is a discussion. Discussions have a way of bringing in new topics. Immahnoob said: I don't think you get it. The guy that said they're not the same thing was irrelevant to the topic, and I ended him. But you didn't end it and it has already been explained why. You don't get to ignore other points in a discussion and end a conversation just because you think you "won" or whatever. Well, I guess you can, but it doesn't mean you're correct. I get it, you think his question was irrelevant. But your response to him didn't answer his question. If you had just said that it was irrelevant then that would've been the end, but you didn't do that. You said they're the same. They're not always. Immahnoob said: That's because your stance is a whole strawman. So you're going to throw out logical fallacies now? Then explain the strawman. What point am I talking about that was not brought up in this discussion? I think I've been pretty clear on what the question I was answering (which was brought up as part of this discussion). Why the tiptoeing? Tiptoeing explained. |
highspot said: That doesn't change my point, does it now?The OP even joined in on the discussion, giving Wikipedia definitions. It may be irrelevant to the initial question, but this is a discussion. Discussions have a way of bringing in new topics. highspot said: By the scope of this debate I am though.But you didn't end it and it has already been explained why. You don't get to ignore other points in a discussion and end a conversation just because you think you "won" or whatever. Well, I guess you can, but it doesn't mean you're correct. highspot said: That's like going into a debate where X and Y and then saying "X isn't always Y, you know.", you'd probably get told your memory is that of a hamster.I get it, you think his question was irrelevant. But your response to him didn't answer his question. If you had just said that it was irrelevant then that would've been the end, but you didn't do that. You said they're the same. They're not always. highspot said: Actually, I meant red herring, sorry. So you're going to throw out logical fallacies now? And yeah, it being irrelevant to my stance is a red herring. |
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Immahnoob said: That doesn't change my point, does it now? It doesn't change mine either. What is your point? This seems pointless. I've already said I understand what you were saying. Immahnoob said: By the scope of this debate I am though. By the scope of your own debate which does not match the scope of the question put forth. Immahnoob said: That's like going into a debate where X and Y and then saying "X isn't always Y, you know.", you'd probably get told your memory is that of a hamster. Sorry, but what is that even supposed to mean? Immahnoob said: Actually, I meant red herring, sorry. And yeah, it being irrelevant to my stance is a red herring. So new topics are distractions? |
highspot said: I think I've already told you but:By the scope of your own debate which does not match the scope of the question put forth. Immahnoob said: Which means, OP said he used them interchangeably, as I said too before him, X is Y in this case, then someone comes in and says X isn't always Y, which is irrelevant to us and the topic. That's like going into a debate where X and Y and then saying "X isn't always Y, you know.", you'd probably get told your memory is that of a hamster. If they're irrelevant to my stance, yes. |
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Immahnoob said: If they're irrelevant to my stance, yes. YOUR stance, not the question asked. I know your stance. I know the original question by the OP. I've said I understand what you're saying. But, did I or did I not answer the question put forth, the difference between the usage of "debate" and "argue"? |
highspotMay 4, 2015 2:16 PM
highspot said: The question was irrelevant. As OP used them interchangeably, as I claimed before.YOUR stance, not the question asked. highspot said: There is no difference in our case, you merely interjected when not needed.But, did I or did I not answer the question put forth, the difference between the usage of "debate" and "argue"? |
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Immahnoob said: There is no difference in our case, you merely interjected when not needed. You really don't like answering simple questions, do you? I'm not talking about the original comment as I've clearly stated. Regardless of whether or not you thought my comment was needed, did I or did I not answer the question posed? |
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yaiba064 said: Why can't we just agree to disagree that faggots are evil, niggers have small minds, and slavery is a right to property? What is the point of trying to put our own ideology before the terrorists? Just accept that they think differently and move on.Even in real life, there is little chance one can persuade others that their view is more rooted in logic, has more legitimacy than others'. So what is the point of even doing it online? Why can we just agree to disagree instead of trying to put ourselves before everyone else? |
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katsucats said: yaiba064 said: Why can't we just agree to disagree that faggots are evil, niggers have small minds, and slavery is a right to property? What is the point of trying to put our own ideology before the terrorists? Just accept that they think differently and move on.Even in real life, there is little chance one can persuade others that their view is more rooted in logic, has more legitimacy than others'. So what is the point of even doing it online? Why can we just agree to disagree instead of trying to put ourselves before everyone else? What you have listed were not achieved by simply arguing on the internet. And I stress, the Internet. |
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v8 said: Nothing. Just makes you look stupid. I respectfully disagree |
Shiny_Goomy said: v8 said: Nothing. Just makes you look stupid. I respectfully disagree I disagree with you disagreeing |
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| There's just no point, at all. The thing about "winning the audience" does make some sense, if one doesn't want to feel "defeated", but it's got more to do with rhetoric than logic. |
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yaiba064 said: The internet is not a significant factor. Ideas exist across any medium.katsucats said: What you have listed were not achieved by simply arguing on the internet. And I stress, the Internet.Why can't we just agree to disagree that faggots are evil, niggers have small minds, and slavery is a right to property? What is the point of trying to put our own ideology before the terrorists? Just accept that they think differently and move on. |
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katsucats said: yaiba064 said: The internet is not a significant factor. Ideas exist across any medium.What you have listed were not achieved by simply arguing on the internet. And I stress, the Internet. Oh yes it is. Being anonymous gives people the pertinent factor, they tend to think higher of themselves more often than behind the screens. |
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Shiny_Goomy said: v8 said: Nothing. Just makes you look stupid. I respectfully disagree Liar |
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| I like debating. It helps me articulate my opinion in say, anime reviews or political debates. Got to look educated ya know. |
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FGAU1912 said: v8 said: Nothing. Just makes you look stupid. i disagree as long as its a debate on something worthwhile Depends on what the debate is being based on. For all you know they could be getting their information off bootleg sites and still looking stupid. |
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| I don't see any point in it, that's why I don't engage in it. |
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| Arguing causes banter. Banter makes people happy. |
| What, and sitting in silence is somehow better? No one is going to change their mind quickly, but if you always argue and debate, expose yourself to different viewpoints your views will get more solid. You will gain more experience, and be better at explaining yourself. I don't get into a debate with hoping one of us willdo a 180. I just hope I can expand my horizons a little, see how my views hold up to others and learn how others think. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: What, and sitting in silence is somehow better? No one is going to change their mind quickly, but if you always argue and debate, expose yourself to different viewpoints your views will get more solid. You will gain more experience, and be better at explaining yourself. I don't get into a debate with hoping one of us willdo a 180. I just hope I can expand my horizons a little, see how my views hold up to others and learn how others think. Not wanting to sound bad, but I really cannot grasp why time - or insistence - would have anything to do with another one's change of mind. The "experience part" seems somewhat legit though :) |
| I suppose it's way more entertaining than everyone just replying to an OP's question with little to no interaction/engagement resulting in a locked thread and a waste of nobody's time. |
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MaiTai said: I suppose it's way more entertaining than everyone just replying to an OP's question with little to no interaction/engagement resulting in a locked thread and a waste of nobody's time. We have something called discussion. It's great. Just exchanging ideas does not mean you are not actively engaged in the topic, knowing more about fellow users, and 'extend the horizon'. |
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yaiba064 said: What does people thinking higher of themselves have to do with people being wrong?katsucats said: Oh yes it is. Being anonymous gives people the pertinent factor, they tend to think higher of themselves more often than behind the screens.The internet is not a significant factor. Ideas exist across any medium. |
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katsucats said: yaiba064 said: What does people thinking higher of themselves have to do with people being wrong?Oh yes it is. Being anonymous gives people the pertinent factor, they tend to think higher of themselves more often than behind the screens. I did not say anything about being in the wrong or right. Right or wrong is not a concept known to others but human so it's not objective. It simply means that when people think higher of themselves, they are more stubborn and less reasonable, thus leads to unnecessary provocations. |
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