Sanzoku no Musume Ronja Episode 24 Discussion

SaneSavantElla said:


But I think all this excitement about joining forces pales in comparison to the moment when Ronja offers an opposing view (it's best to quit being a robber), and when Skalle-Per later follows this up by telling Mattis that there are people who can make a living without having to steal.

NEONdust said:
I wonder what "The Secret" is? Also, did I hear Mattis call Borka "Borka-chan"?

**Edit - I just listened again. I swear he said "Borka-chan".

SaneSavantElla said:
Yeah, Mattis did. I thought that was a way to insult someone?

NEONdust said:
Okay, that makes sense.

I'm glad it looks like those two are going to really punish each other. But presentation wise, on the one hand it makes sense to say the children can't watch the Wild Beast fight, but in reality children are watching the Wild Beast Fight.

Also, I like how only one "punch" had to be thrown between Ronja and Birk so that they both understand how important they are to each other. On the other hand, Adults make things this complicated. Mattis and Borka will bloody each other up, and they used to be friends when they were kids!

NEONdust said:
They don't so much as come off as Childish, but it definitely seems they have complicated issues to work through before they can get to something simple. Mattis probably knew over the past winter that if he left things alone the Borka clan might starve to death, but instead of taking pity on them and helping them (Like Ronja with her uncomplicated way of thinking did) he just let things go. I find that adults are often like this. They have a lot of issues that get in the way of simple solutions. For instance, why is everyone insisting there has to be one leader of the larger group? Because they learned over time a way that things are done, and that gets in the way of simple solutions. Between Ronja and Birk it never once came up who was in charge. They just got busy living.

SaneSavantElla said:


Honestly I don't think Mattis even knew that they were starving, until spring, when Borka asked to share with the loot. XD I've always thought the story is partly about how children oftentimes make more mature choices than adults (and conversely). And it does that without coming off as too 'anti-adults' like a lot of other anime out there.

But I do believe that in general adults do complicate things (like how I am reading too much into this anime, for one :P).

NEONdust said:
I think it's worth thinking about, as opposed to reading too much into it. It's already an axiom among writers that the reason for an adult choosing to write "Children's literature" is because they sense that adults loose something important when they grow up. It takes strength to admit that as an adult one makes stupid mistakes. Sometimes you have to say to yourself "This thing I used to believe isn't worth it anymore", like thinking of people as less than human, for instance. We like to pretend we don't do that and don't believe it, but we do all the time.

SaneSavantElla said:


Of course it's worth it, else why would these discussions go on? :D
Exactly the point. Ask an adult to seriously think about this show and chances are they'll concoct something complex based on their accumulated experiences. Ask a child, and more likely you'll get one of two answers: 'fun' or 'boring'.

Whoops... did we just derail the thread? XD

SaneSavantElla said:
Even if the very title of the next episode, 'one strong band of robbers', does not spoil the outcome of the match, we know they're going to be one band by next ep