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Feb 23, 2015 3:09 AM
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What do you define as masculine? What makes someone a man? Do you think it's as simple as going through puberty? What qualities or traits does a man possess as opposed to a boy. Can you be physically grown but still have a boy mentality? Can you be a boy physically but possess manly qualities?
What is your take on it?
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Feb 23, 2015 3:19 AM
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Who knows.
I guess you should look at some classical literature and see what a Real man was back in those times. (Basically the qualities of a man of those times)
Feb 23, 2015 3:19 AM
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Your Jojo avatar doesn't look that manly to me.

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Feb 23, 2015 3:41 AM
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shintai88 said:
Who knows.
I guess you should look at some classical literature and see what a Real man was back in those times. (Basically the qualities of a man of those times)
I have been looking into our history lately because you can rarely see real masculinity these days, you might get glimpses of it but the whole idea of what a real man is has been fragmented in modern society. Alot of men, myself included to an extent are confused to what a real man is. The reason for this confusion is because we're unsure of the role we play in society. A man who asks what makes a man asks it because he is trying to find his place in life. That said paradoxically I also think we're more masculine than our grandparents because we have more freedom but only few of us exercise that freedom. The rest are slaves to the world which is very emasculating, that's one way of looking at it.
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Feb 23, 2015 3:48 AM
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My definition? A job, responsibilities, muscles, and a very distinct jawline.
Feb 23, 2015 3:49 AM
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"What do you define as masculine?"


"What makes someone a man?"


"Do you think it's as simple as going through puberty?"
no
"What qualities or traits does a man possess as opposed to a boy."
physically: taller, broader, stronger
mentally: more patience, better tempered emotions, protective nature, calm desire to push for improvement
"Can you be physically grown but still have a boy mentality?"
yes
"Can you be a boy physically but possess manly qualities?"
yes... or a girl

"What is your take on it?"


everyone has a mix of masculine and feminine qualities, which themselves are only defined here by opinions, and vary from person to person
the most attractive partner for either sex is probably edging towards androgyny
as an example:
'protective' is a desirable masculine quality, i think, and has been considered so for a long time
the feminine equivalent is 'caring'...
but people probably want some degree of both things from their partner
probably more today than before

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Feb 23, 2015 3:50 AM
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Feb 23, 2015 3:51 AM
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Lost_Future said:
Well... It's complicated.
I served in special forces, and as opposed to the war hardened men you'd expect to see there, it was assembled of (mainly) exceptionally durable and talented kids.
Most people would define them as "men", all had muscles, determination, "fire in the blood", and a steel set of backbone + dick & balls.
Everyone had combat experience and confirmed kills.
But back in the barracks when we saw each others faces and behave naturally, you could tell they're still kids.
And I was too lol. Probably the most childish among them.

I don't think there's a way to explain it... You simply "poof" and become a man one day. Some after they realize something, some after a certain accomplishment, some after a tragic incident, etc.
That's interesting, do you think having having an element of innocence makes you less of a man? Those you described sounded like men, or do you think being war hardened means you can never smile again? I'd say it takes real strength to do you guys job and still retain an element of childishness, it deserves respect.
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Feb 23, 2015 3:51 AM
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This what defines a man (Chuck Norris)

Feb 23, 2015 3:54 AM
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The opposite of a fuckboy
Feb 23, 2015 3:56 AM

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Masculinity for me was, I was able to think about tomorrow and smile.
Feb 23, 2015 4:02 AM

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A proper beard.
Feb 23, 2015 4:08 AM

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The ability to amaze and walk away like nothing even happened.
Feb 23, 2015 4:10 AM

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Something feminists are trying hard to corrupt and destroy.
Feb 23, 2015 4:16 AM
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Being so swole that you look like an actual rock, shit bricks and throw it around like a baboon while screaming. Yeah, fuck that's manly.

OT: Yeah I dunno and don't really care.
Feb 23, 2015 4:35 AM
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I think of the typical swedish man. Stoic, hard-working, practical and not very sympathatic towards weakness. "It's better to not say anything, than to say something stupid".

In modern society, you became a man after you had done military conscription, when the officers taught you how to be a man.

My personal opinion, is that I don't really care. What matters to me is maturity.


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Rarusu_ said:
I think of the typical swedish man. Stoic, hard-working, practical and not very sympathatic towards weakness. "It's better to not say anything, than to say something stupid".


Now when you say stoicism, are you referring to the "stiff upper lip"/"chin up my boy!" business, or are we talking Titus "real men don't care if their wife or child dies" Lucretius level shit?
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Lost_Future said:
Rarusu_ said:
I think of the typical swedish man. Stoic, hard-working, practical and not very sympathatic towards weakness. "It's better to not say anything, than to say something stupid".

In modern society, you became a man after you had done military conscription, when the officers taught you how to be a man.

My personal opinion, is that I don't really care. What matters to me is maturity.

Military conscription does not guarantee anything.
Read what I told Guus a few posts ago.


It wasn't my opinion. People here used to say that you became a man after military service. People who chose jail were weak and unmanly.


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Rarusu_ said:
I think of the typical swedish man. Stoic, hard-working, practical and not very sympathatic towards weakness. "It's better to not say anything, than to say something stupid".


Now when you say stoicism, are you referring to the "stiff upper lip"/"chin up my boy!" business, or are we talking Titus "real men don't care if their wife or child dies" Lucretius level shit?


Kinda both I guess, but I was more thinking of the latter.


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Rarusu_ said:
I think of the typical swedish man. Stoic, hard-working, practical and not very sympathatic towards weakness. "It's better to not say anything, than to say something stupid".

In modern society, you became a man after you had done military conscription, when the officers taught you how to be a man.

My personal opinion, is that I don't really care. What matters to me is maturity.
Being afraid of saying something stupid is in itself a weakness though. You can only learn through mistakes whether your own or someone elses. I used to be the guy who was afraid to speak his mind, it didn't get me much of anywhere. I don't see much stoicism in swedish men personally, what you just described was desperation, a person trying to cope with his reality.
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Lost_Future said:

Why would you state some one else's opinion?
What jail?
I think you need some sleep, friend.


Because it's essential, that's been the opinion of my country the last century.
People which refused military service got into jail. When Sweden started with a conscript army int the early 20th century, they had a manual how to create a man. And it's from that manual, our modern idea of what it means to be a man comes from. They wanted to recruit young men between 16 - 25, because that's a sensitive age when you still can "shape" people into a role.
It wasn't that long ago since Sweden was a democratic North Korea.

Op said he had read some history.


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GuusWayne said:
Rarusu_ said:
I think of the typical swedish man. Stoic, hard-working, practical and not very sympathatic towards weakness. "It's better to not say anything, than to say something stupid".

In modern society, you became a man after you had done military conscription, when the officers taught you how to be a man.

My personal opinion, is that I don't really care. What matters to me is maturity.
Being afraid of saying something stupid is in itself a weakness though. You can only learn through mistakes whether your own or someone elses. I used to be the guy who was afraid to speak his mind, it didn't get me much of anywhere. I don't see much stoicism in swedish men personally, what you just described was desperation, a person trying to cope with his reality.


It means, if you dont have anything important to say, then it's unnecessary.
If you have something important to say, you should though. There's another proverb to complement the first statement, which says "those who don't speak - do consent".


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Being rugged and tough isn't explicitly manly, it's a common view of a man. To me, being a proper man is about being honourable, committing to your duty and always trying to help people who need your help.
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This is what the fuck I call masculinity.
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This is what the fuck I call masculinity.

Raccoon eyes?


You insult the Dothraki culture, a crime that is punishable by death.
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Lash_ said:


This is what the fuck I call masculinity.
Being dead is masculine? Teeheehee
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Faith, Discipline and selfless devotion to duty is what makes a guy a 'man' for me.
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By each let this be heard,
Some do it with a bitter look,
Some with a flattering word,
The coward does it with a kiss,
The brave man with a sword!''
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Lash_ said:
Lost_Future said:

Raccoon eyes?


You insult the Dothraki culture, a crime that is punishable by death.

I'm pretty sure the Dothraki "culture" is still nonexistent...
But yeah he was pretty hot :3
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i honestly think it lies in the eye of the beholder and what you personally think is attractive? like i personally perceive somebody as masculine if they have a lot of aura/self-confidence. somebody who is good at making decisions and not what we usually call a 'wimp'. somebody you dont forget after they leave the room and is very... present. sure there is also the physical side of it but i truly do believe that it's more of an 'aura' kinda thing... if you can call it like that.
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GuusWayne said:
shintai88 said:
Who knows.
I guess you should look at some classical literature and see what a Real man was back in those times. (Basically the qualities of a man of those times)
I have been looking into our history lately because you can rarely see real masculinity these days, you might get glimpses of it but the whole idea of what a real man is has been fragmented in modern society. Alot of men, myself included to an extent are confused to what a real man is. The reason for this confusion is because we're unsure of the role we play in society. A man who asks what makes a man asks it because he is trying to find his place in life. That said paradoxically I also think we're more masculine than our grandparents because we have more freedom but only few of us exercise that freedom. The rest are slaves to the world which is very emasculating, that's one way of looking at it.


Thats another take on it. Its no different than you aren't a man till you've slept with a women, or your not a man till you've killed another person.
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Lash_ said:


You insult the Dothraki culture, a crime that is punishable by death.

I'm pretty sure the Dothraki "culture" is still nonexistent...
But yeah he was pretty hot :3


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Lash_ said:


This is what the fuck I call masculinity.


omg lmfao i was actually just thinking about jason momoa when answering this thread but back when he still used to have threads looooool yeah he's masculine af
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omg lmfao i was actually just thinking about jason momoa when answering this thread but back when he still used to have threads looooool yeah he's masculine af

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chuuzenjis said:


omg lmfao i was actually just thinking about jason momoa when answering this thread but back when he still used to have threads looooool yeah he's masculine af

Ronon Dex FTW!


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chuuzenjis said:
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Ronon Dex FTW!


the only reason i ever watched stargate atlantis.......

Oh, and there I thought Sheppard was playing the ladies' eyecandy part ;)
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nothing can take the manliness away from my gw2 character

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Lost_Future said:
incisorr said:
nothing can take the manliness away from my gw2 character


Noice character outfit.
But wtf is gw2?


Its a mmorpg which im currently playing (altho it wouldnt be my first choice, im kinda forced here..) and its probably the only mmorpg where male characters can look badass and manly enough because usually games have crappy armors for males and everybody just goes to play a hot chick

heres his usual clothing!



for me real men are armored head to toe and show no skin and those are the most badass~ this mmo is the only one where you have plenty of helmet/armor choices tho

but what do i know about masculinity..
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TyraMisoux said:
chuuzenjis said:


the only reason i ever watched stargate atlantis.......

Oh, and there I thought Sheppard was playing the ladies' eyecandy part ;)


well he was alright but ;)
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Having a dick.
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Pretty much this. Honestly, when I think of someone as a 'man' it doesn't have much to do with any physical attributes. I think of a 'man' the same way as I think of a 'woman' and I guess for both it's just...being an adult. Someone who is respectful, works hard, has responsibilities, tries to do the right thing, works to be better. I don't think weakness or showing emotions makes someone un-manly. We're human and we all have our weaknesses and emotions.
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What defines a man? Having an X and a Y chromosome. Don't really care to look any deeper into what defines a Gender than Biological factors, psychological factors are almost completely influenced by society and change from culture to culture and era to era.

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