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Jan 9, 2015 5:30 PM
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I mean use the CGI used in newer Disney and Pixar films, while keeping it in "anime form", this way, it wouldn't take from the identity we're familiar with, but will have a more advanced visual appeal, while not trying to go "full realistic CGI" that people consider 'unemotional'.

Because honestly, it feels as really outdated, and coupled with the lazy 2-frame animation as opposed to the classic hand-drawn sakuga bliss we used to have, I think it's time for this change.

Wouldn't it be nice to have graphics like these

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Jan 9, 2015 5:31 PM
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I liked Advent Children, but I'd rather not have a TV series full blown CGI. Rather, I wished they stop using it in their 'current form'.
Jan 9, 2015 5:34 PM
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Paul said:
I liked Advent Children, but I'd rather not have a TV series full blown CGI. Rather, I wished they stop using it in their 'current form'.


Current form? You mean like those out of place Berserk scenes or Mecha CG? I'm not talking about that. That's also very cheap but crappy as hell. But at least it's fluid.



AC was amazing from a visual standpoint, and the perfect choreography was a sight to behold, but I wouldn't use Final Fantasy CGI as an example of story, the characters don't have... emotions for the most part. Same with FF-13's animated CG.
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Jan 9, 2015 5:40 PM
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I fail to see how is that animation better than the one used in anime
Jan 9, 2015 5:44 PM
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Straight up NO!

Have a nice day :)
Jan 9, 2015 5:45 PM
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orario said:
I fail to see how is that animation better than the one used in anime


This one is 3d. And in a good way. While still having the colorful charm of an animation.



This is from a fight considered one of the highlights of fluid animation in modern times.
And if there are more fluid animations than this, they have worse art.

That's like what? 2 or 3 frames? Effects just don't work with this kind of art/animation. It'll never be fluid enough.

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Jan 9, 2015 5:46 PM
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I'd like to see one made by something like UFOtable or Makoto Shinkai then I'll see whether I'll like it or not.


Jan 9, 2015 5:49 PM
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No, please go.
Jan 9, 2015 5:51 PM
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No, they don't have the budget to make it look good.
Jan 9, 2015 5:51 PM
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No.
Jan 9, 2015 5:53 PM

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Yeah, let's deteriorate the already waning identity of anime to the point of phasing it out. That's smart.
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Jan 9, 2015 5:53 PM

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Milk_is_Special said:
Straight up NO!

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I wanna hear explanations :)

Feaor said:
No, they don't have the budget to make it look good.


Maybe they need to take a risk? Spend money on one project and it might succeed and boom, you have a new era.

It can even help attract more fans from Dis/Pix who prefer to watch in 3D modernity, for example.

@emo I already said they keep their traditional style whatever that is (be it big moe eyes or spikey hair or highschool cliches) though it is getting lame to be honest
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Jan 9, 2015 5:54 PM

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If only anime can adopt the animation consistency and budget that most western cartoons have
Jan 9, 2015 5:54 PM

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I think CGI is fitting in anime at certain points like for objects or perhaps builds or landscapes, basically anything that doesn't affect the story telling. I'm definitely against the idea of everything having CGI in it or going completely CGI though, simply because I like anime as a 2D digital medium. I've also never seen CGI in anime even attempt to go "full realistic". I wonder what you've been watching... :o
Jan 9, 2015 5:55 PM

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Mikasa said:
Feaor said:
No, they don't have the budget to make it look good.


Maybe they need to take a risk? Spend money on one project and it might succeed and boom, you have a new era.

It can even help attract more fans from Dis/Pix who prefer to watch in 3D modernity, for example.

It doesn't matter, do you have any idea about how much time and money goes into Disney and Pixar movies? There is no way they could do it half as well in a TV series with the paper thin budgets and time constraints they have now.
Jan 9, 2015 5:57 PM

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Snakes said:
I think CGI is fitting in anime at certain points. I'm definitely against the idea of everything having CGI in it. I've also never seen CGI in anime even attempt to go "full realistic". I wonder what you've been watching... :o



I mean stuff like Advent Children, Spirits Within, FF13's?Ass Creed's cutscenes, as opposed to the mroe silly out-of-proportion styles like Up, How to train your Dragon, Tangled, and such.
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Jan 9, 2015 5:58 PM

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No because I'm already sick of 3d CGI in american Disney and Pixar movies. Its a fad that's being dragged much like Super hero flicks and updated versions of fairy tales.
Jan 9, 2015 6:05 PM

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Because 2D animation at its best looks significantly better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t26m_Q6ENo
Jan 9, 2015 6:06 PM
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Mikasa said:
orario said:
I fail to see how is that animation better than the one used in anime


This one is 3d. And in a good way. While still having the colorful charm of an animation.



This is from a fight considered one of the highlights of fluid animation in modern times.
And if there are more fluid animations than this, they have worse art.

That's like what? 2 or 3 frames? Effects just don't work with this kind of art/animation. It'll never be fluid enough.

there aren't too many people who care about such details. As long as the characters' design is beautiful and the voice casting and soundtrack is good, this is more than enough to please a filthy casual like me.
Animation's fluidity and and that stuff about frames...there is only a small amount of elitists like you who actually care.

And if you're asking me, I avoided to watch HxH until there aired about 100 episodes because I thought the artwork was crappy. Characters' design is more important than fluidity or whatever.

but that's just a filthy casual speaking here...I might be wrong
Jan 9, 2015 6:09 PM
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i will like that, have you seen the CGI movies of Captain Harlock and Saint Seiya Legend of Sanctuary? ye i like more anime like that
Jan 9, 2015 6:13 PM

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No.
Jan 9, 2015 6:18 PM

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It's not really a solution for declining budgets, you know.
Jan 9, 2015 6:18 PM

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Seems to me it all comes down to $$$. Anyone have insight on what such a move would do to the expense side? With what it costs to make a single episode and how pitifully most sell...is there a financial incentive?
Jan 9, 2015 6:24 PM
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hand drawn looking better cgi fir exaple look ar the human faces in toy story hye look like thy been suckking a balloons while you look at somthine sazae san she look more human than theCGI face on the Human in o=pixar movies
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Jan 9, 2015 6:27 PM

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No but I would love to see more anime which story takes place outside of Japan and its cultures.
Jan 9, 2015 6:30 PM

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Gymkata said:
Seems to me it all comes down to $$$. Anyone have insight on what such a move would do to the expense side? With what it costs to make a single episode and how pitifully most sell...is there a financial incentive?
I can't say for certain but the biggest barrier is the upfront cost of getting servers so they actually have enough computing power that the rendering times are reasonable. And then the major issue becomes time, even for Pixar each final frame takes on average 3 hours or so to render so each episode would take weeks to just render and there just isn't the time for that.
Jan 9, 2015 6:31 PM
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Extreme3708 said:
No but I would love to see more anime which story takes place outside of Japan and its cultures.


how man us catoons in the real world[per say] take place in non us or na settings one epiodes of Simpoms ha wa sbanned in Japan does not count since ther eyou go
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Jan 9, 2015 6:33 PM
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god no I hate CGI (if its used all the time) keep the classic anime style please
just make the animation better (like Ufotable does)
Jan 9, 2015 6:35 PM

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FGAU1912 said:
Extreme3708 said:
No but I would love to see more anime which story takes place outside of Japan and its cultures.


how man us catoons in the real world[per say] take place in non us or na settings one epiodes of Simpoms ha wa sbanned in Japan does not count since ther eyou go


How many U.S cartoons outwardly/expressly state their specific setting? Most cartoons in the U.S. have fictional settings--so the pool of outwardly NA/EU cartoons is extremely small.

But this argument is pretty arbitrary in general--why go to a medium based on a foundation of Japanese culture expecting a different culture to be present? Same goes for any country/nation producing media.
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Extreme3708 said:
No but I would love to see more anime which story takes place outside of Japan and its cultures.


can't agree with that we already have so many movies and tv shows taking place in America (like I'm almost sick of cities like Los Angeles) just no

Europe wouldn't be that bad (still sounded weird in Monster that everyone was speaking japanese even though they were in Germany)
I would rather they stay in Japan or entirely fictional settings

the japanese culture is unique and makes anime what it is
thats why I only watch anime with english subs, with dub its already too american and we already have enough of that
Jan 9, 2015 6:41 PM

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No. 3D CG is overused in the west and it should not serve as a replacement for traditional animation but rather simply be one of many different possible styles of animation that studios should have at their fingertips. The same goes for anime.

It's true that you can typically cram more detail into a 3D CG scene and moving objects can be rendered at higher FPS more consistently but that doesn't always translate to being more aesthetically pleasing.
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Jan 9, 2015 8:44 PM

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No, leave the damn CGI to Pixar.
Jan 9, 2015 8:50 PM
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why cgi? why not something similar to the amazing world of gumball, or gravity falls, adventure time, or steven universe?

cgi can be nice, but it's not like it's the only thing seen in western animation.
Jan 9, 2015 8:52 PM

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Honestly it's really hard to find good 2d to 3d CG transitions in anime. The only good one I've seen is aikatsu season 2 and on because in season 3 it's phenomenal.

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Sure, if you increase their budget to the same level of those studios it would be awesome. Otherwise it'd just look like the 3dcgi we already have in anime.
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Jan 9, 2015 9:09 PM

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Sound expensive
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Jan 9, 2015 9:12 PM

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It would be tainted if that happened, Anime must be strictly Japanese style to maintain purity and soundness of the medium.


Jan 9, 2015 9:17 PM

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No. Why would anyone want that?

Imagine anime looking like Frozen.
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Honestly it's really hard to find good 2d to 3d CG transitions in anime. The only good one I've seen is aikatsu season 2 and on because in season 3 it's phenomenal.



This one looks fine, though not my preference.
Jan 9, 2015 9:45 PM

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Some anime (mainly movies) are full 3d CGI already. I really don't see the benefit in anime fully switching to 3d CGI.
Jan 9, 2015 9:50 PM

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Please, just no.
Jan 9, 2015 9:51 PM

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Call your Disney or the thing that make Simson family to do your western cartoon, western fags
Jan 10, 2015 2:17 AM

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I do want something like Fate/ Stay Night UBW art style and sound effects.

BUT!!!! IMO: somehow hearing Japanese language makes me 'connect' and 'feel' the emotions much more than in English animated movies / shows .
Jan 10, 2015 2:20 AM

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I don't like 3d in anime so much, so I would have to say no on this one.
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AnimeSoap said:
No. Why would anyone want that?

Imagine anime looking like Frozen.


That. Would be amazing.

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i will like that, have you seen the CGI movies of Captain Harlock and Saint Seiya Legend of Sanctuary? ye i like more anime like that



I saw the trailer for Harlock and then I forgot, was it released or canceled or something

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Sound expensive


Well yeah but it could also attract new audiences and the revenues will make up for the budget+
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Jan 10, 2015 2:23 AM

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If anime began to look more like Disney, it'd lose its identity. If anything, popularity might decrease.
Jan 10, 2015 2:57 AM

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We need more Arpeggio and Sidonia.
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Okashi_sama said:
We need more Arpeggio and Sidonia.


Arpeggio looked really bad at times though.
Jan 10, 2015 3:02 AM
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If anime began to look more like Disney, it'd lose its identity. If anything, popularity might decrease.

In fact I tend to avoid studios who go with more 'cartoony' styles, like studio Trigger who tend to go for the more blobby form of animation. For example I dislike Little Witch Acadamia because it has very little of the stylistic elements I would associate with anime, it's pretty indistinguishable from Disney in some places.

I don't think that variation of style is bad (even if I chose not to watch some styles) but I don't think the medium as a whole should try to meld with western animation style - in 2d at least.

As for 3d...well if anything shows like Kantai and Sidonia have showed that 3d can be done to an okay standard. But it does still feel to rigid right now and it loses a lot of the freedom that 2d art provides (not sticking to proportions is easier with no model)
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