CashMoney said: bigivelfhq said: I am just curious if you dont like Akame that much why is it in your Favorite anime list?If I'm disregarding different point of views as "bad taste" and "misconception" then I'm treating all point of views as "good taste" and "good understanding". You want to say REGARDING, not DISREGARDING. I'm regarding different point of views as "bad taste" and "misconceptions". You want to say the opposite. But no, I'm not putting it aside, I'm just disagreeing with you. Unlike you I didn't call you dumb for thinking what you think. Just that "in my opinion"(do I have really to put this?) I think you have bad taste in that point. "most people think Toei animatino is bad, not good or average, so I don't know why you are acting like this." - The majority of people you're talking is people in the internet, though. - Those people got blind by short seasonal high budget titles, and gained a syndrome of "animation and art" criticism, just like the one that exists in video games. Everything that isn't mega expensive and hightech is bad(unless is their favorite anime Every bad animation and problems go right past their eyes). - Those people don't watch basically no Toei animation titles, and forget or don't even know the other animes that they did see in the past and the movies that Toei made and makes. As simple as that! - Also those people love Death, because of the "sense of danger", and dark and edgy anime. Not saying those kind of animes are bad, but the obsession is in a level where they look at others animes, others that don't play by those rules and they complain about it and how it needs to be more "mature". - Also those people run away of the anime that are labeled "kids" like it is the plague, because their anime is so "mature", when everything they liked in the past are in fact those titles. And then after that, they come complaining about how there is no Long running anime. When in fact there are in the dozens. - Those people watch a ton of episodes of an anime and praise it like it is awesome, but than the last episodes are original content and than everything is ruined, all the anime is shit(Looking at you Toriko and Akame ga Kill(and I don't even like that much Akame, but is ridicule how there were so many fans and people praising it has the next big thing, and than so much hat for some few episodes, that weren't even that bad(or bad at all))). Those people are everything but reliable! And in the end because I'm not those people! In reality I should have already removed it, because I put there to be able to go faster to the news. Yep, was lazy like that, but given that you can only put 3 series in the favorites(It is 3 right?) I just gave up on the favorites of MAL. Thinking about it, I have so many titles to update in MAL :S Though One Piece and Haikyuu!! are correct in my favorites :), I don't know how it didn't ended it other titles. XD Also when I said I didn't enjoyed it that much I still liked it. I gave it only a 5, because I couldn't really make me give more to the story but I watched and enjoyed every week while it was airing. Even the original content at the end. And yep I read the manga way before the anime. |
| ^^It's 5 favoriite anime actually. OT: Toei is better in making movie but sucks when it comes to TV series, Pierrot is opposite, though, I never watch any Movies by Pierrot. |
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tsudecimo said: This isn't going anywhere. 1/ I don't know how you can even know what people outside of the internet think about animation. As evident by One Piece TV ratings and most of the high rated tv shows, animation quality is hardly the main concern. The story and the all package(the composite of all multimedia) is always the main concern in any series. But are you saying that out of those concerns for Sazae-san", "Chibi-Maruko-chan", "Doraemon", "Crayon Shin-chan", "Detective Conan", "One Piece", "Yokai-watch", "Precure", "Pokemon" animation quality is hardly the main concern? |
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bigivelfhq said: Its 5 favorites not 3CashMoney said: I am just curious if you dont like Akame that much why is it in your Favorite anime list? In reality I should have already removed it, because I put there to be able to go faster to the news. Yep, was lazy like that, but given that you can only put 3 series in the favorites(It is 3 right?) I just gave up on the favorites of MAL. Thinking about it, I have so many titles to update in MAL :S Though One Piece and Haikyuu!! are correct in my favorites :), I don't know how it didn't ended it other titles. XD Also when I said I didn't enjoyed it that much I still liked it. I gave it only a 5, because I couldn't really make me give more to the story but I watched and enjoyed every week while it was airing. Even the original content at the end. And yep I read the manga way before the anime. |
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bigivelfhq said: tsudecimo said: This isn't going anywhere. 1/ I don't know how you can even know what people outside of the internet think about animation. As evident by One Piece TV ratings and most of the high rated tv shows, animation quality is hardly the main concern. The story and the all package(the composite of all multimedia) is always the main concern in any series. But are you saying that out of those concerns for Sazae-san", "Chibi-Maruko-chan", "Doraemon", "Crayon Shin-chan", "Detective Conan", "One Piece", "Yokai-watch", "Precure", "Pokemon" animation quality is hardly the main concern? Yes. Aside from One Piece, I don't know why would anyone care for the animation, especially if most of the viewers are kids probably in (one piece, Pokemon, youkai watch) most of these aren't action show for it to matter. Hunter x Hunter (2011) has good animation (day and night difference from one piece), but I never seen it pass the 5mill when it had a prime time slot. |
tsudecimoFeb 5, 2015 5:17 PM
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| The poster who started this thread must be Pierrot and Toei haters I think that the both are capable and can stand out among others like Madhouse. Some people hear only judge a studio 's quality by 1 or 2 shit titles. |
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| Toei has been a good studio in the past, talking about 90s. Nowdays, their adaptations are almost shitty. Recent example is World Trigger, I don't even know what the director is doing. |
FGAU1912 said: 5.0 i not five mill viwers is five percent of total viewers Okay, mean not bigger than %5 |
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| Both studios are not top tier, but I'd choose pierrot. Pierrot's animation isnt consistent but they deliver at crucial and important moments, while toei is just avarage passable animation. If Toei stops aiming at younger audiences, then I think their shows would be better. |
| Imagine a berserk anime by Yoshiaki kawajiri at Madhouse. Now take a look at Berserk (2016). YOU HAVE MY PERMISSION TO CRY. |
JumpinJC said: Toriko was a butchered adaptation of the source material, but Beelzebub is also a butchered adaptation too. So I think Studio Pierrot might be slightly better, because the anime they produced have good pacing (except Shippuden). Beelzebub is not from Studio Pierrot though! Beelzebub is from Pierrot+ that is a subsidiary of Studio Pierrot. You might say that it means they are the same, but it doesn't. Pierrot+ is of Pierrot the same Production I.G is to Tatsunoko, and the same has Xebec and Wit Studio is to Production I.G. Is also the same connection that Shogakukan(publisher of the magazine Weekly Shounen Sunday, where you can find the title Magi and Detective Conan) and Shueisha(publisher of the magazine Weekly Shounen Jump, where you can find the title One Piece and Assassination Classroom) have. The companies are totally different entities and have different staff, but due to the central company, that they come of, they have a bigger connection than any other company in the business. Just that. Toei and Pierrot subsidiaries have similar names to the main companies(Toei Animation Philippines and Pierrot+) but in the end is the same thing as any subsidiary. Though I don't believe Toei Philippines ever did an animation title alone, and is mainly used and assistance(even for other studios that aren't Toei animation). Strange that you say that Toriko is butchered when it had 3 to 5 episodes of original content in the end, but you don't say nothing of GTO. |
FGAU1912 said: the thing that irlks me people dont take industry as what it is it needs ot make money simple so toei should win every day of the week if any one has any sense Yeah, let's forget things like "Animation" and :Effort". It's money they make that matters right??? |
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| At least Toei is not getting themselves into the moe/harem business. Edit: Not that of I know. Love how people find excuse for Madhouse, with statement like "They had to take on a few generic catering shows like Mahouka, otherwise they will go bankrupt". So what if it's 10/10 animation? |
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FGAU1912 said: an d the fact is the GTO is week ocmpared to the lve action drama based on the same manga iv every way the drama did better hell the 1998 drama of GTO got run aravridge of 23.45 Don't all live action adaptation get higher ratings than their anime counterpart? ToG25thBaam said: At least Toei is not getting themselves into the moe/harem business. They don't need to. It's not a matter of principle. |
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ToG25thBaam said: At least Toei is not getting themselves into the moe/harem business. Edit: Not that of I know. Love how people find excuse for Madhouse, with statement like "They had to take on a few generic catering shows like Mahouka, otherwise they will go bankrupt". So what if it's 10/10 animation? Isn't Pretty Cure moe? |
SuperRed said: Not in the sense of what I had in mind. Isn't Precure for kids? I mean the ones aimed at teenagers, where people start claiming their waifus.Isn't Pretty Cure moe? |
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SuperRed said: ToG25thBaam said: At least Toei is not getting themselves into the moe/harem business. Edit: Not that of I know. Love how people find excuse for Madhouse, with statement like "They had to take on a few generic catering shows like Mahouka, otherwise they will go bankrupt". So what if it's 10/10 animation? Isn't Pretty Cure moe? Precure is as moe has Sailor Moon. It is totally targeted at young girls, not adult males. |
ToG25thBaam said: Love how people find excuse for Madhouse, with statement like "They had to take on a few generic catering shows like Mahouka, otherwise they will go bankrupt". So what if it's 10/10 animation? Whether Mahouka is crap or not, the Animation is at the very least noticeable, and that's like the most basic thing an animation/studio should accomplish Toei are just cheap on almost every front. so you can't even give them that benefit |
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JumpinJC said: bigivelfhq said: Beelzebub is not from Studio Pierrot though! Beelzebub is from Pierrot+ that is a subsidiary of Studio Pierrot. You might say that it means they are the same, but it doesn't. Pierrot+ is of Pierrot the same Production I.G is to Tatsunoko, and the same has Xebec and Wit Studio is to Production I.G. Is also the same connection that Shogakukan(publisher of the magazine Weekly Shounen Sunday, where you can find the title Magi and Detective Conan) and Shueisha(publisher of the magazine Weekly Shounen Jump, where you can find the title One Piece and Assassination Classroom) have. The companies are totally different entities and have different staff, but due to the central company, that they come of, they have a bigger connection than any other company in the business. Just that. Toei and Pierrot subsidiaries have similar names to the main companies(Toei Animation Philippines and Pierrot+) but in the end is the same thing as any subsidiary. Though I don't believe Toei Philippines ever did an animation title alone, and is mainly used and assistance(even for other studios that aren't Toei animation). Strange that you say that Toriko is butchered when it had 3 to 5 episodes of original content in the end, but you don't say nothing of GTO. I'm just going by how MAL has it as: "Producers: Studio Pierrot, Dentsu, Yomiuri Telecasting Corporation, Pierrot Plus". And I assume that it's a butchered adaptation because I've seen people call it that. I've only ever seen the first episode. And yeah, Great Teacher Onizuka had a filler ending, and some filler episodes, but it still ranks in the Top 30 on MAL, so I assume it's a good anime and not a butchered adaptation. Toriko was heavily censored compared to the source material, which is the main reason why I hear it being called a bad adaptation. Given that Pierrot + is a subsidiary of Pierrot his possible that it had some kind of contribution, just like in Attack on Titan between Production I.G and Wit studio. Though I would still consider Pierrot+ as the animation studio of the anime. Toriko just removed majority blood and detached limbs. That is hardly butchering. People that love the edgy and gore stuff(that now is a trend) thought that it would have it and got disappointed. Also they thought the title would get a lot more popular, so because it didn't got, they think that is the cause, when in fact is just the story. Other than that the anime follows exactly the anime, with the addition of a character, a reporter, that in fact improved the story. GTO first episodes, the ones that I watched are butchered. Is the same thing that happened with Tokyo Ghoul. Super fast speed that make them remove a lot of stuff and reorganize a lot of stuff(even stuff that doesn't need it). Given that it only has a small number of episodes for the content of the source material, I believe that it has that pacing all throughout the anime. The reason the series is high rated is the same of Tokyo Ghoul, their source material is really good to begin with. That doesn't mean they aren't butchered though. Note: GTO was the biggest title on its time. Even competing with One Piece. Probably a lot of times getting on top of it. And Pierrot was only able to do 43 episodes out of it. |
bigivelfhqFeb 6, 2015 10:57 AM
| Neither are evil. Haters gonna hate. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
bigivelfhq said: Pierrot lately has been speeding through stuff. I think it really just depends on what you're referencing here when you say this. Akatsuki no Yona actually has a pretty slow pace, enough so that I almost wish it went faster. Soredemo Sekai wa Utsukushii was pretty okay, too. |
dream_eater1012 said: bigivelfhq said: Pierrot lately has been speeding through stuff. I think it really just depends on what you're referencing here when you say this. Akatsuki no Yona actually has a pretty slow pace, enough so that I almost wish it went faster. Soredemo Sekai wa Utsukushii was pretty okay, too. I personally didn't watched/am watching those titles. So is good to hear! |
| Pierrot adapting TG in 1 cour was not their fault. It what the publisher, production team wanted, to promote the manga. And in an interview, the author of the manga said, he wanted to have an original story made by him in the second cour. Is what I read, dunno if it's rumors or actually true. |
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Higashi_no_Kaze said: Neither are evil. Haters gonna hate. |
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| Toei! Toei! Toei! |
FireEmblemIke24 said: Higashi_no_Kaze said: Neither are evil. Haters gonna hate. |
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tsudecimo said: Pierrot adapting TG in 1 cour was not their fault. It what the publisher, production team wanted, to promote the manga. And in an interview, the author of the manga said, he wanted to have an original story made by him in the second cour. Is what I read, dunno if it's rumors or actually true. Technical stuff about a series is decided by the animation committee, if there is one, where the animation studio is always included. The animation studio has the most say about this(Is the producer job to gather budget and resources and decide where and how they will be spent in the project), given that they are the ones doing the anime. Also an anime being like this because is just for promotion, is bullshit that people use just to excuse the problems of an anime(Low budget would be a better excuse). In every anime production, the source material publisher main objective for accepting the project is for expansion of audience, promotion. The other entities have also always the main objective of earning money with the concept of the story, but taking advantage of their respective areas. People talk of the results of the adaptation, big boost in the manga sales and low sales in the DVDs/BDs like that was the objective of the project from the beginning. If for some reason Tokyo Ghoul had a small anime boost and a huge anime sales, people would start screaming that the anime wasn't made for promotion. Tokyo Ghoul has 5 sponsors(Marvelous, TCI entertainment, Bandai, Crown, Sony Music) that have nothing to do with Shueisha, the manga publisher. Those sponsors will earn only a little, and that if Shueisha makes part of the studio committee, of the money earned by the source material. Also in a title as popular as Tokyo Ghoul, one of the "big 3" titles of a magazine that is the most popular Seinen magazine right now, would be stupid to go look for someone to adapt your series and take the risk of having to pay a lot of money from your own pocket. Is way better and wiser to just to announce that you are open for propositions. In that way you can choose for many project propositions(that potentially are better than the other way due to the competition) and given that they are the interested party, you can invest less many in the project. about the author wanting something. The author gave the rights of adaptation. If the studio or the publisher want, they can totally not listen to the demands of the author. So even if the idea came from the author, the fact that the animation studio accepted to go along, is their responsibility. Oda could suddenly come to Toei and say. "Do you know, I want that the anime now goes for a parallel of the manga". Toei doesn't have any obligation to hear him. |
FGAU1912 said: How tv works in japan is very diffents ot the us you need ti know that abd you not it seams and yes toei does have obligatio ot hear him manga ka has alot of rright over there work more than say us comic book wreithers have over theres when theyu get ssnpped up Don't you have a Spell-Checker? You probably write faster than you should, but at least correct your phrases after writing them, please. I'm not from US so I don't really know how it works there. No, you're wrong about Toei obligation. The ones that have obligation is Shueisha and it is only obligation toward the manga and to whom it gives the title rights and for what. So basically Oda can reject a proposition of adaptation and revoke by force a afterwards, though he have to pay a fine for that. But after giving the rights of adaptation, the entity adapting doesn't have to do nothing that he tells them, because it is an adaptation of his work and not his work, and he gave his permission. While is that in theory, in practice majority of animation studios still talk to the mangakas of the stories, ask for help and take in consideration their demands. This also happens with movies where authors of books are given supervision rights in the movie adaptations of their works. The only total control that Oda ever had with Toei, was Strong World movie where he was the writer. Oda even said that he thinks of Toei has a friendly rival in an SBS. |
| Pierrot easy. I watch more of their shows. Kingdom ftw |
| Perriot, they've done some alright animation with Tokyo Ghoul. PLus, eve though I don't watch Naruto, I've seen a few tidbits of fine animation from it. Toei, on the other hand, has been consistently pretty blergh with their animation, and the quality has only decrease as of late. |
| Pierrot. |
| If the main factors of the matter are One Piece and Tokyo Ghoul,I say it could go either way. I think the bigger problem in OP is the lack of inbetweens and the recycling of footage. But in Tokyo Ghoul, I'd say its the inconsistency in keyframe drawing and in general the character design is mediocre when compared to the source material. But then again I haven't really watched much of Pierrot and Toei's other shows |
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| Toei is good if they try, at least they didn't skip loads of the original source material like Pierrot did with Tokyo Ghoul. |
Shadow-Senpai said: Toei is good if they try, at least they didn't skip loads of the original source material like Pierrot did with Tokyo Ghoul. Have you seen what Toei did to world trigger? |
Z4k said: Just weird pauses and poor animation, right?Shadow-Senpai said: Toei is good if they try, at least they didn't skip loads of the original source material like Pierrot did with Tokyo Ghoul. Have you seen what Toei did to world trigger? |
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ToG25thBaam said: Z4k said: Just weird pauses and poor animation, right?Have you seen what Toei did to world trigger? You make it sound like its not a big problem. |
Z4k said: At least they didn't skip original material as that's what Shadow senpai was talking about.ToG25thBaam said: Just weird pauses and poor animation, right? You make it sound like its not a big problem. |
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