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| Randal and Smart gonna have better careers than Wiggins confirmed |
RandomChampion said: Randal and Smart gonna have better careers than Wiggins confirmed Based on? |
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| i hope the Chicago Bulls become championship contenders again, a 70%-80% of the previous Derrick Rose explosiveness can still be good, im not seeing Derrick Rose getting back to his 100% anymore so the Bulls need another scorer like Carmelo Anthony (hopefully) or that new draft pick Doug McDermott |
| Fair and McCrea in the Mavs Summer League squad. |
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j0x said: i hope the Chicago Bulls become championship contenders again, a 70%-80% of the previous Derrick Rose explosiveness can still be good, im not seeing Derrick Rose getting back to his 100% anymore so the Bulls need another scorer like Carmelo Anthony (hopefully) or that new draft pick Doug McDermott Rose's speed/explosiveness was back after the ACL tear when he played the 10 regular season games this season, but his play/timing was horrible. I don't think many people are worried about whether his explosiveness is back; most are just worried that he'll get injured yet again. Damn I cannot wait until free agency... and summer league. |
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Gunbladewarrior said: RandomChampion said: Randal and Smart gonna have better careers than Wiggins confirmed Based on? it was more of a joke...cavs VS celtics and lakers all my life lakers and celtics have always been lucky and/or winners....while cavs always failed. then again, lakers are bumbling recently and celtics seem a bit aimless is it finally time for cavs to finally have a dynasty? to be honest, I'd try to go all in for LeBron and trade wiggins +others for love. the East is ripe for dominating Irving Waiters LeBron Love Thabeet/any center with a pulse Jarret Jack and Ray allen off the bench but then wiggins is on twovles... |
j0x said: i hope the Chicago Bulls become championship contenders again, a 70%-80% of the previous Derrick Rose explosiveness can still be good, im not seeing Derrick Rose getting back to his 100% anymore so the Bulls need another scorer like Carmelo Anthony (hopefully) or that new draft pick Doug McDermott If I had to bet on where Melo is going, I'd bet on Chicago. A) Chicago is like a small New York City (Melo likes cities) B) Melo likes a team full of hustlers who play defense so he can focus on what he does at an elite-level - score points C) Bulls play at a pace that magnifies Melo's offensive prowess D) He is a rich man's Boozer, and we all know how solid the Bulls were with a past-his-prime Boozer. Even if Rose doesnt play at his MVP level (which he probably will never play at again), all he has to do is change his game to more of a conventional point guard's game (rather than combo guard). |
RandomChampion said: all my life lakers and celtics have always been lucky and/or winners.... Err...What?! According to your profile, you were born in 1990.... Since that time the Celtics won ONE title.... BTW, before the Celtics ever landed the original "Big 3" they had 11 LOSING seasons between 1994 - 2007 In other words, of the 14 Seasons in that span, they only had 3 winning seasons... The Celtics were NOTHING before the "Big 3" and I don't know why we should expect them to do anything now that their "era" (if you want to call it that) is over. And yes, I understand they had a lot of history in the 60s-80s.... Doesn't really matter, what matters is the present. |
JustALEX said: RandomChampion said: all my life lakers and celtics have always been lucky and/or winners.... Err...What?! According to your profile, you were born in 1990.... Since that time the Celtics won ONE title.... BTW, before the Celtics ever landed the original "Big 3" they had 11 LOSING seasons between 1994 - 2007 In other words, of the 14 Seasons in that span, they only had 3 winning seasons... The Celtics were NOTHING before the "Big 3" and I don't know why we should expect them to do anything now that their "era" (if you want to call it that) is over. And yes, I understand they had a lot of history in the 60s-80s.... Doesn't really matter, what matters is the present. they were real lucky for landing KG lol. and i have a feeling theyll be back in contention real soon. i should have written considered lucky, though. even the lakers werent that successful for most of the 90s, although they had some decent teams hell, the cavs probably had more winning seasons than the celtics in my lifetime, technically speaking (didnt they have a very good team till 93?) |
| I dunno what's more crazy A broken down player walking away from 42 mil over 2 years he doesn't deserve or that he's gonna get like 4/60 instead he especially doesn't deserve |
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hybreezy said: I dunno what's more crazy A broken down player walking away from 42 mil over 2 years he doesn't deserve or that he's gonna get like 4/60 instead he especially doesn't deserve I know what's crazier.... Paying another broken down player $48 million for 2 years....KOBE. At this point of their careers, it's not about paying what they're worth, it's about paying for what they've done in the past and what they mean to the franchise and team. I wish the Heat didn't have to pay Wade the absurd amount of money he's going to get....but that's just how these things are. However, I AM very thankful that Wade did in fact opt out in order to give the Heat some breathing room to try to keep Lebron and improve the roster. |
| What their worth is what the team is willing to pay. You're thinking only about basketball, when it's not just about that. Kobe Bryant is still one of the biggest names in the NBA. If not for a league screw job(Chris Paul), and Laker management stupidity(not hiring Phil), Kobe might have his 6th ring |
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| Well, Kobe was healthy, Pau was still effective, Bynum was still playing well, they got Artest/MWP as an effective defender, Fisher was less old, he had a reliable backup in Blake, Odom was still a good 6th man, Shannon Brown was a good backup, Barnes was useful, and they were the 2-time defending champs....they got swept. lol |
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| here are some rumor Sources: As James plans for max deal, Bosh, Wade and Haslem will opt-out of deals with hopes of staying together. source - https://twitter.com/wojyahoonba/status/482975770600419328 some people are saying this is blatant collusion and should not be allowed by the NBA association so is this really illegal? because for me this seems reasonable considering they are just team mates and just compromising each others wants/needs |
Pau was still effective If you ignore his collapse due to gf trouble, sure. he had a reliable backup in Blake Did you laugh when you wrote this? Phil + Kobe + Howard(healthy) + Paul > The 2010-11 Lakers. |
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entropy13 said: Well, Kobe was healthy, Pau was still effective, Bynum was still playing well, they got Artest/MWP as an effective defender, Fisher was less old, he had a reliable backup in Blake, Odom was still a good 6th man, Shannon Brown was a good backup, Barnes was useful, and they were the 2-time defending champs....they got swept. lol That team is nothing compared to the Mavericks championship team. That team was deep as hell and had a transcendent scorer just like the Lakers did. The mavs were balling out of their minds also. Jason Terry was going nuts that playoffs lol I still give the mavs the advantage even with Kobe, Dwight, Paul, but the Lakers wouldnt have gotten swept and it could probably go either way |
| People seem to forget the 2011 Lakers were also coming off 3 straight Finals appearances (and having to go through the West to do it no less). It's understandable they collapsed in a big way with all that mileage. An actual offseason to recharge and reload with Paul and Howard would have been cash. |
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| Oh didn't realized this thread was already made. Spurs Repeat! I do like their chances especially since Tim Duncan ain't retiring yet. But they are playing in the West so its gonna be hard. Houston is doing everything they can to land another star to add to their roster. And looks like Lakers trying to get a star to make their championship dream seem attainable. This is gonna be a good offseason. |
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| Oh well, there's really no sure-fire way of knowing how Random and Gunblade really felt in the past, i.e. no benefit of hindsight. Everybody and his dog/cat/lizard/mouse/parrot were "CERTAIN" that the most likely upset to happen back then was the Blazers against the Mavs...then the Grizzlies won against the 1st seeded Spurs and the Mavs handled Portland 4-2. It would be 4-1 if not for a literally out-of-this-world performance from Brandon Roy (which have never played like that before, and have never played like that ever since). Then the Mavs are about to match up with the 2-time defending champs...No chance for the Mavs, they always "collapse when the going gets rough", most probably even a sweep...the defending champs got swept. But because they got swept, rather than the other way around, that Lakers squad is actually a "weak" one compared to having Howard and Paul, despite the fact that they were the same team that won 2-straight championships? So it's not just hindsight at work, it's also the ascendancy of "what could have been" compared to "what was"... @hybreezy: Again, hindsight. The 2011 Lakers weren't "tired" before the sweep...after the sweep, they're now "tired"? After finally winning against the Pacers, the Heat weren't "tired"...but now that they lost the Finals, they're now "tired"? The only credible way you can determine if the team is "tired" is if for example the 2014 Heat is still the exact same as the 2015 Heat, and then they perform poorly. But of course that scenario wouldn't happen so you wouldn't really know if they were "tired" or not. |
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| Kyrie gets 5 years, 90 million. |
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| So much drama about Kidd, I honestly don't understand why the Bucks wanted him so badly... |
Nefarious said: So much drama about Kidd, I honestly don't understand why the Bucks wanted him so badly... He was done in BK. His friend co-owns team. This is potentially better than the BK job. Instead of a bunch of ol' guys who I have played against for years. Let me farm and grow with these young players. I swear Jabari Parker will be a better player because of J Kidd. Not too sure about the whole Bucks org though lol. Watching highlights from before Kobe's knee and whether he has explosion or whatever nobody I an mean nobody shots better than Kobe Bryant maybe MJ "Ties", but man when he decides to shoot he does it. |
| Dr. Sheldon Cooper " It is no way to make new humans. People coming out of people. Some kind of dirty magic show. |
entropy13 said: Oh well, there's really no sure-fire way of knowing how Random and Gunblade really felt in the past, i.e. no benefit of hindsight. Everybody and his dog/cat/lizard/mouse/parrot were "CERTAIN" that the most likely upset to happen back then was the Blazers against the Mavs...then the Grizzlies won against the 1st seeded Spurs and the Mavs handled Portland 4-2. It would be 4-1 if not for a literally out-of-this-world performance from Brandon Roy (which have never played like that before, and have never played like that ever since). Then the Mavs are about to match up with the 2-time defending champs...No chance for the Mavs, they always "collapse when the going gets rough", most probably even a sweep...the defending champs got swept. But because they got swept, rather than the other way around, that Lakers squad is actually a "weak" one compared to having Howard and Paul, despite the fact that they were the same team that won 2-straight championships? So it's not just hindsight at work, it's also the ascendancy of "what could have been" compared to "what was"... @hybreezy: Again, hindsight. The 2011 Lakers weren't "tired" before the sweep...after the sweep, they're now "tired"? After finally winning against the Pacers, the Heat weren't "tired"...but now that they lost the Finals, they're now "tired"? The only credible way you can determine if the team is "tired" is if for example the 2014 Heat is still the exact same as the 2015 Heat, and then they perform poorly. But of course that scenario wouldn't happen so you wouldn't really know if they were "tired" or not. Hype of the team at the time has nothing to do with whether or not the Kobe, Howard, Paul team would be better than the 2011 Lakers. 2011 Lakers had probably the worst starting point guard out of all playoff teams. Replacing him with elite talent in the league is much better. 2011 Lakers frontcout rotation of 3 players over 6'10" was impressive on paper, but dilapidated, especially after Gasol's complete meltdown. Replacing him with THE premier bigman of the league = a big deal. The reason the Lakers won those 2 championships before was because Kobe was balling out of his mind. Gasol went ham in 2010 too, but Kobe has been the constant factor drawing double teams so that the bigmen could dominate in the paint 1-on-1. 2011 Kobe WAS tired and injured, like hybreezy said. Those to previous championships were definitely over-achieving for the lakers team, as Kobe was entering Jordan territory during then and was keeping the Lakers contenders himself much of the time. Adding Paul and Howard = adding MVP-quality talent. Paul + Bryant backcourt = 2 of the Top-10 perimeter defenders. If the opposition somehow managed to get by, 4x DPOTY is waiting in the paint, anchoring quality bigmen. Howard himself would draw double teams like Kobe. Howard and even Oldbe would cause so many problems, especially if Paul is there to run the offense for everywhere else. I still dont think they'd have beaten the 2011 mavs, but it wouldnt be so lopsided. |
| Cmon Melo choose to come to the Bulls already so every other free agent can fall into place. + I'm glad Lowry is choosing to re-sign with the Raptors |
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| boozer's amnestied and i hear they going after gasol now.... edit: probably amnestied |
| Patty's a great guy he could've got maybe 4 more mil somewhere else, but he knows what he has at home. A ring and a championship team. I personally believe that Gasol is a bigger free agency fish than Melo. I am not a fan of his by any stretch, but if he can play at least 25 mins, get 10, 12, and 5 throw in a few blocks every now and again he's a good fit anywhere. |
| Dr. Sheldon Cooper " It is no way to make new humans. People coming out of people. Some kind of dirty magic show. |
| Melo is one of the greatest scorers of all time with an elite game that will last him another 4-or-so years probably. Wiggins and Parker will be lucky to become as good as Melo. Gasol is a 33 y/o skilled big man but is known for being a Mr. Softee. Bulls, Mavs, Rockets, and maybe even Spurs are all much better off with Melo. Only the Thunder might find more value for Gasol off the bench since they already have the offensive juggernaut of the league and another Top 10 offensive player in ChuckBrick. |
| Gasol still knows how to score the basketball whether or not he's "soft" has anything to do with it. Perkins is "tough", but hasn't taken more than 3 jumpers in years, never gets 10 rebs or 2 or more blocks. |
| Dr. Sheldon Cooper " It is no way to make new humans. People coming out of people. Some kind of dirty magic show. |
| You said 25 min though lol. If you have Perkins and Gasol on your team, you should be starting Perkins since you want to keep Gasol healthy and effective. Gasol being soft is not that important, but he has had his meltdowns/disappearances (to be fair, any recent struggle was primarily due to D'Antoni/injury). I meant to compare it to melo, who not only is better, but also will give you 27/8 night after night |
RandomChampion said: You said 25 min though lol. If you have Perkins and Gasol on your team, you should be starting Perkins since you want to keep Gasol healthy and effective. Gasol being soft is not that important, but he has had his meltdowns/disappearances (to be fair, any recent struggle was primarily due to D'Antoni/injury). I meant to compare it to melo, who not only is better, but also will give you 27/8 night after night At this point wouldn't it be better to just start Adams and dump Perkins? I personally believe that Gasol is a bigger free agency fish than Melo. Not for Chicago. |
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| Rumors are saying Mirotic will be joining the Bulls next season. I've been waiting for this guy, very excited if it's true. |
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| What players do you guys want to see in the summer league most? As a Philly fan I'm really excited to finally see Nerlens Noel |
Immahnoob said: They say Jesus walked on water. People are made out of 79% water. I can walk on people. So I am 79% Jesus. Sourire said: I once fucked an apple pie. |
| [/spoiler] Gunbladewarrior said: [/spoiler]RandomChampion said: You said 25 min though lol. If you have Perkins and Gasol on your team, you should be starting Perkins since you want to keep Gasol healthy and effective. Gasol being soft is not that important, but he has had his meltdowns/disappearances (to be fair, any recent struggle was primarily due to D'Antoni/injury). I meant to compare it to melo, who not only is better, but also will give you 27/8 night after night At this point wouldn't it be better to just start Adams and dump Perkins? I personally believe that Gasol is a bigger free agency fish than Melo. Not for Chicago. I did say "IF" he can play 25. If they lose Perkins and collison. Let Adams start, Gasol can do 15-17 mins. Melo is bigger for Chicago and Chicago only. The Mavs, Rockets, or Lakers wouldn't be as great with Melo as people believe. Dirk is not a dribbler, but he's the offensive ball-dominant player. Melo is BALL-dominant. James Harden COMPLETELY ball-dominant, Dwight Howard has never played with someone who would space the floor like Melo it would be a weird fit for Dwight. Lakers. Do I even need to say anything? While Gasol possibly no longer a starter. He's a terrific rotational big on any team. These managements be playing more 2k than we do. They believe in super teams first, money 2nd, and chemistry after all the media hype. |
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Gunbladewarrior said: RandomChampion said: You said 25 min though lol. If you have Perkins and Gasol on your team, you should be starting Perkins since you want to keep Gasol healthy and effective. Gasol being soft is not that important, but he has had his meltdowns/disappearances (to be fair, any recent struggle was primarily due to D'Antoni/injury). I meant to compare it to melo, who not only is better, but also will give you 27/8 night after night At this point wouldn't it be better to just start Adams and dump Perkins? Actually yea, it would. Especially if Pau is there too. Rizeberry said: ITT: People thinking an aged Gasol is more worth than Melo still in his prime You're the first, RandomChampion. Knicks offered Melo max contract, ohohoho dis gon b gud I am the one arguing that Melo is a bigger free agent fish than Pau... I only said Gasol is probably more valuable to the Thunder than Melo is. What I mean by this is that it fills Thunder's holes better. Thunder is not, by any means, in need of elite scorers. Skilled bigman to complement the raw Adams/cumbersome perkins though? That will help a lot. Yondy375 said: I did say "IF" he can play 25. If they lose Perkins and collison. Let Adams start, Gasol can do 15-17 mins. Melo is bigger for Chicago and Chicago only. The Mavs, Rockets, or Lakers wouldn't be as great with Melo as people believe. Dirk is not a dribbler, but he's the offensive ball-dominant player. Melo is BALL-dominant. James Harden COMPLETELY ball-dominant, Dwight Howard has never played with someone who would space the floor like Melo it would be a weird fit for Dwight. Lakers. Do I even need to say anything? While Gasol possibly no longer a starter. He's a terrific rotational big on any team. These managements be playing more 2k than we do. They believe in super teams first, money 2nd, and chemistry after all the media hype. We already agree on chicago Dallas - Do you realize the offensive powerhouse mavs would become with Melo on top of Dirk and Ellis? Dirk would have a much better time scoring. There is a reason Chandler and Dirk want Melo on the team. They arent winning another ring if Dirk is the best player on the team. Current melo is a better defender and passer than he gets credit for. He had the bad luck of being on circus team for the last few years. Pau would be solid on the Mavs too, though. But the Mavs need a better player to win a championship. Carlisle is no Popovich Rockets - Melo + Dwight frontcourt = rebounding galore and top level defense. Melo is actually a very good post defender with his quick hands and footwork. Now that he has Dwight Howard over Tyson "I have da flue" Chandler, things wont be as bad. James Harden made it to to the finals when he was paired with not 1, but 2 scorers. This is very good for houston since Melo can turn into the No.1 scoring option, especially come playoff time when Harden is shut down. However, it seems that theyre going after bosh now, who I think is even better fit than melo is. Lakers - Melo is easily better than Pau for the lakers. If Melo is there to take the load off of Oldbe (who knows what he's capable of now anyway), things like 2012-2013 season wont happen again. What is a 33 year old gasol going to do for the lakers? Melo is better for most teams than Gasol would be. Melo almost carried the collapsed knicks team into the playoffs last season, in which everything that went wrong did go wrong. There's a raeson Kobe, Dirk, Noah, Howard all want to lay with him. I do agree that Gasol is an excellent rotation bigman....a rare commodity nowadays. He's valuable, but, in most cases, if you can get Anthony, you get him. Hell, even if he's not as valuable this year, you have him for 4 years |
RandomChampionJul 4, 2014 1:54 PM
| yea i was responding to this Yondy375 said: I personally believe that Gasol is a bigger free agency fish than Melo. I am not a fan of his by any stretch, but if he can play at least 25 mins, get 10, 12, and 5 throw in a few blocks every now and again he's a good fit anywhere. |
RandomChampion said: yea i was responding to this Yondy375 said: I personally believe that Gasol is a bigger free agency fish than Melo. I am not a fan of his by any stretch, but if he can play at least 25 mins, get 10, 12, and 5 throw in a few blocks every now and again he's a good fit anywhere. Do you understand IF? |
| Dr. Sheldon Cooper " It is no way to make new humans. People coming out of people. Some kind of dirty magic show. |
| your "if" refers to your second statement, not your first statement. and if you want to change your stance to "if gasol gets 10/12/5 in 25 minutes, he's a bigger fish than melo", then obviously he'd be, because those are ridiculous numbers that we really have no reason to believe he'll achieve It's like saying "if melo puts up 30/10/5 on 60% TS and 32 PER, he's a bigger fish than lebron james" |
RandomChampionJul 4, 2014 2:28 PM
| Gortat's deal wasn't that bad it was mostly market value. The final two years could be brutal but he also doesn't have a lot of mileage like most big men would at 30. Now Kaman on the other hand got a brutal deal, dunno what Portland was thinking there. Anyway, the Heat are running out of FA options because LeBron is holding them hostage. |
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| Lebron back to Cleveland, Bosh to Houston. Pls... |
| SAS just got called to duty by ESPN ~11:30 EST probably gonna drop some news edit: either that or he gonna scream for 10 minutes without providing any info |
| Les Go Dubs !!! |
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