Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Gou Episode 17 Discussion

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Tsukumo_Yuuma said:

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Sorry my memory is bad, but what scene do you mean?

https://youtu.be/EsizI5fq8ak
At the end of the 2nd episode of Tataridamashi (episode 10) the voice acting was like she's faking it and she hit K1 hand before he touched her (that's kinda normal but the voice acting was very weird and me and @ssjokg said she probably was faking it)

Can I say how bad it feels for it to be so predictable since back then?

I really dont want Satoko to be like that because "She was lonely" but cant see a a proper in character reason other than that.

Jan 28, 2021 11:05 AM

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About damn time Rika figured something.

I mean, about everyone by now expected Satoko because she was SUS as hell through the whole thing.

Now, how to deal with this little shit!

Jan 28, 2021 11:07 AM

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Jin_uzuki said:

Moon_man2 said:

I actually thought the original was boring a lot of the time, because I didn't really enjoy the slice of life or the murders most of the time. But I kept watching because of the mystery, and when the senarios started to change in gou that's when it really got interesting for me.

... But literally half of Gou is the original story 1:1 without the original mysteries and extremely small changes...

It's the fact that the characters acted difrently and that led to difrently endings that I got fascinated with.

Jan 28, 2021 11:08 AM

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ssjokg said:

Tsukumo_Yuuma said:

https://youtu.be/EsizI5fq8ak
At the end of the 2nd episode of Tataridamashi (episode 10) the voice acting was like she's faking it and she hit K1 hand before he touched her (that's kinda normal but the voice acting was very weird and me and @ssjokg said she probably was faking it)

Can I say how bad it feels for it to be so predictable since back then?

I really dont want Satoko to be like that because "She was lonely" but cant see a a proper in character reason other than that.

Yeah i never thought that predicting the answers beforehand would feel this bad (i said that in a previous comment).
It's not like anyone uncovered a hidden clue and we solved the mystery with it, it was SO OBVIOUS and Satoko theories were all over the place i started to think it's just red herring and R07 won't just give the solution away.
I don't think he can give any reason that will make Satoko redeemable unless she is being mind controlled by some witch or some weird shit.
I guess there won't be another season, the next arc will just explain Satoko's motivations and how she fucked Rika in the previous loops (which is kinda obvious now too, she was holding the same gun she killed(or at least tried to kill) Mion with in Watadamashi).

Jan 28, 2021 11:09 AM

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Moon_man2 said:

Jin_uzuki said:

... But literally half of Gou is the original story 1:1 without the original mysteries and extremely small changes...

It's the fact that the characters acted difrently and that led to difrently endings that I got fascinated with.

That's...literally the whole basic premise of Higurashi...

Jan 28, 2021 11:12 AM

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My theory it is after Hannyu vanishes (or Featherine recovering), Lambdadelta change tactics and change her piece from Takano to Satoko. This why Takano abandons everything (and Rika observation that Takano would never abandon her plans in 100 years )

EDIT: And Satoko mentioning Oyashiro-sama several times was always suspect.

Jan 28, 2021 11:16 AM

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Considering the reveal of this ep, I think this meme of Tataridamashi is likely true XD

Jan 28, 2021 11:17 AM

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Tbh "witches made me do it" is almost as bad as "I put you through an inhuman torture because I was lonely :(".

Jan 28, 2021 11:17 AM

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ssjokg said:

Tsukumo_Yuuma said:

https://youtu.be/EsizI5fq8ak
At the end of the 2nd episode of Tataridamashi (episode 10) the voice acting was like she's faking it and she hit K1 hand before he touched her (that's kinda normal but the voice acting was very weird and me and @ssjokg said she probably was faking it)

Can I say how bad it feels for it to be so predictable since back then?

I really dont want Satoko to be like that because "She was lonely" but cant see a a proper in character reason other than that.

maybe someone is pulling the strings. Well, we will find out next episode

Jan 28, 2021 11:20 AM

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NANSHIRo said:

ssjokg said:

Can I say how bad it feels for it to be so predictable since back then?

I really dont want Satoko to be like that because "She was lonely" but cant see a a proper in character reason other than that.

maybe someone is pulling the strings. Well, we will find out next episode

That doesn't make it better, and ofc there's someone helping/controlling Satoko she can't just loop by herself.

Jan 28, 2021 11:21 AM

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Jin_uzuki said:
Tbh "witches made me do it" is almost as bad as "I put you through an inhuman torture because I was lonely :(".

I think maybe in the case of "witches made me do it" they only made "pieces" do what is possible for them to do it in the first place. The motivations is already there. (Like in Umineko every accomplice have a motivation in the different episodes)

Jan 28, 2021 11:23 AM

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ssjokg said:

Moon_man2 said:

It's the fact that the characters acted difrently and that led to difrently endings that I got fascinated with.

That's...literally the whole basic premise of Higurashi...

I knew what loop they were in and I knew how it was gonna end but because someone did something difrently from how they did it in the original something different happend. The fact that I got to see a different varient of the same story was what fascinated me.

Jan 28, 2021 11:24 AM

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another interesting episode. was that opening scene like an alternate timeline? seemed like rika finally got a good ending but then satoko pulls a pistol outta nowhere lmao… i knew something was up, seemed way too sketchy

I think its just from the 2nd to last arc of kai

Jan 28, 2021 11:29 AM

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In this episode they show the briefcase with the syringes. Satoko probably in all the arcs prior to this, cause the Hinamizawa Syndrome in all the culprits in every arc using these?

Jan 28, 2021 11:29 AM

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Interesting episode. Satoko being the looper is confirmed. I didn't want her to be because I love her character (I love the whole club), but there was too much stacked against her. If she truly faked her abuse, breakdown and Hinamizawa Syndrome (which is likely), I'm going to hate Gou so much :(

I would have liked them to explain the reasons Takano had to regret what she did and turn around. Some people have been suspecting she is getting flashbacks, but it could also be her finding out what Nomura intended for her, or plain and simple regret. There's also the chance that Lambdadelta manipulated Takano into repenting as soon as she got her new piece Satoko.

As the Banken arrest Okonogi and the Yamainu on the grounds of unlawful execution of Emergency Manual 34, it means that people still believe that Rika's death will cause the village to go mad en masse. I'm wondering if this means that it was executed in the loops when Rika died before Takano had fled, i.e., Akasaka, Akane and Keiichi worlds.

Now we know that the sus men saying the clinic was remodeling were the Banken, not the Yamainu. This means that the ones we saw tailing Mion and Keiichi were probably the Banken as well. Killing Mion and Satoko is something I could see the Yamainu doing to cover up HS, but it seems too extreme for the Banken who seem more about maintaining the facade, e.g. not killing Satoshi but taking him for treatment instead. I wish we would get a little more clarifiaction on that front before the end.

I'm guessing that in the first arc, Satoko tried to convince Rika not to leave Hinamizawa, but Rika resisted and she ended up killing her with the knife and then herself to restart the loop. Either that, or Rika committed suicide and then Satoko did too. Stabbing another person in the neck with a knife seems pretty specific, in fact we only saw Akasaka do it because he thought that was where the parasites were. So that's why I don't rule out Rika committing suicide just yet.

I found interesting that Satoko mentioned Oyashiro-sama again when talking to Rika at the viewing platform. As we have mentioned in the discussion for episode 16, Satoko has never been an Oyashiro-sama fanatic. I wonder if that's because she knows of Rika's special connection with Hanyuu or because she's being controlled and looped either by Hanyuu herself or by someone pretending to be Hanyuu. More on that later.

Tbh, I found Satoko blowing her cover really stupid. As someone said above, it's not like that KO punch seemed extremely painful to warrant that reaction. And even if it did, Satoko could have brushed it all off and been like "I peeked into that box yesterday and it punched me real bad. You didn't see it because I went to wash my face off immediately". Sure, it would still have been damning evidence, but she didn't have to go and pull a gun on Rika. Why end everything like that when she has already achieved her endgame and she could still brush off the mistake? Speaking of which, it's the same gun that was found between Mion and Satoko in Watadamashi, so Satoko brought her gun confirmed.

What I'm really curious about is: how involved is Satoko in everything? And who is controlling her loop?

As for the first question, the glowy eyes got me thinking. Is she possessed by some being like Lambdadelta, or are those just looper eyes? As both Satoko and Rika's eyes are red, does that mean they are being possessed by the same being? If not, what are exactly the eyes supposed to mean? Both Rika and Satoko have had moments when they talk with the knowledge of the past and their eyes don't glow. So it can't be simply to express that the older conscience is speaking. I hope we get an answer to this.

Linked to this question is: how much does Satoko know? I don't think she knows that Rika is looping because, otherwise, revealing herself would have been even more stupid. If she doesn't know Rika is looping, is she going to act all normal when waking up in the next timeline? That would be extremely weid, but it's the only way I see for her to be taken down by surprise. How much does she know of the other fragments? Because people affected by HS in Nekodamashi have been talking about parasites and about toxic gas consuming the village, and the latter is specifically something they could have known from a failed world.

As for second question, Satoko has mentioned Oyashiro-sama, including talking to her, so maybe this means she's being controlled by Hanyuu. Of course, that would mean that Hanyuu was lying to Rika about being gone and what not. The fact that Hanyuu knows each failed fragment and the people who are the most important to Rika gives weight to Hanyuu's involvement, but... if she were looping Satoko too, why would she tell Rika about Onigari-no-ryou? Unless this is a super machiavellian plan where she uses Satoko to accomplish her means and then has her killed, but that doesn't seem like Hanyuu. But then, Satoko killing her best friend/orchestrating her death all because she left Hinamizawa with Satoko, if the flashbacks mean anything, doesn't seem like her either, so who knows at this point.

Besides Hanyuu, the loop controllers could be either Lambdadelta or Featherine. But unlike OG, if they're going to be behind the loops, they need be introduced somehow into the story, maybe with a Hanyuu-like avatar. Their motive is probably to have fun because they're bored, and they manipulated Satoko into doing the muscle work by playing into her feelings of abandonment... which, again, seems weird since Satoko appeared to be with Rika during a high school flashback. This further begs the question of how much does Satoko know.

Overall, this episode was much better than the previous two, but not better than 14, which is still my favourite Gou episode. Now I'm going to go and feel heartbroken about Satoko being a villain.

Edit: is there a possibility that Irie is complicit with Satoko? I think the suitcase with the H173 syringes is implicating that Satoko was injecting people to go insta-L5, but I don't think it's possible for her to get that suitcase on her own...
I would doubly hate them for ruining Irie :(

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Considering the reveal of this ep, I think this meme of Tataridamashi is likely true XD

Now we need a "Do it for him" pic for Teppei.

Jan 28, 2021 11:32 AM

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R07: "Newcomers can watch this series."

So that was a fucking lie.

Other than that, for an old fan, amazing episode. I loved that twist and how, to the very end, you can feel that something is wrong with Satoko, but you can't really be sure until Rika got that box out and Rika reacted to it the way she did.

well he said they can watch it but didn't say they can understand it lol bamboozled

Jan 28, 2021 11:32 AM

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So Takano is remembering what she did in Minagoroshi through all these arcs? Rika doesn't even remember Minagoroshi lmao. I thought Nomura was bailing, but Takano was bailing instead. What interested me was already revealed, about what happened in Tokyo.

And some people were saying we were still on the question arcs lol. The answer arcs also end up badly. Ngl, Rika was pretty clever this time. She was sus, but needed evidence that Satoko was looping. Now all that is needed is restrain her and hammer down that shard on her neck. They both have weak bodies, but Satoko is at advantage though. I really hope that what happened in St. Lucia is shown at any part of the last arc.

Honestly, they should have let Satoko be dissected at the second year.

So I watched the og higurashi + kai, I know that st Lucia has been mentioned a few times this series. Is there another ova or something where we see her time at st Lucia?

Jan 28, 2021 11:32 AM

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ssjokg said:

Jin_uzuki said:

Was Takano explained? We only know she chose to give up, but as Rika said, the "Takano she knew" would never do that. Unless she has post Matsuribashi's memories, but how?

I mean her motive for leaving was explained.

Now why she made a 180? Who knows....Seems like the series doesn't really care. Or maybe this is also a trick and after "defeating" Satoko, Takano returns as the true final boss.

Since this world the "new" pawn's doing, makes sense that Satoko talked sense into Takano 🤣

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Jan 28, 2021 11:35 AM

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rafaelfserafim said:
So Takano is remembering what she did in Minagoroshi through all these arcs? Rika doesn't even remember Minagoroshi lmao. I thought Nomura was bailing, but Takano was bailing instead. What interested me was already revealed, about what happened in Tokyo.

And some people were saying we were still on the question arcs lol. The answer arcs also end up badly. Ngl, Rika was pretty clever this time. She was sus, but needed evidence that Satoko was looping. Now all that is needed is restrain her and hammer down that shard on her neck. They both have weak bodies, but Satoko is at advantage though. I really hope that what happened in St. Lucia is shown at any part of the last arc.

Honestly, they should have let Satoko be dissected at the second year.

So I watched the og higurashi + kai, I know that st Lucia has been mentioned a few times this series. Is there another ova or something where we see her time at st Lucia?

There isn't an ova for that

Jan 28, 2021 11:35 AM

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man this best anime japan offered for like 10 year

recently I start to restore my hope for the anime industry

can't wait for the next episode

Jan 28, 2021 11:36 AM

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swordmaster2551 said:

rafaelfserafim said:
So Takano is remembering what she did in Minagoroshi through all these arcs? Rika doesn't even remember Minagoroshi lmao. I thought Nomura was bailing, but Takano was bailing instead. What interested me was already revealed, about what happened in Tokyo.

And some people were saying we were still on the question arcs lol. The answer arcs also end up badly. Ngl, Rika was pretty clever this time. She was sus, but needed evidence that Satoko was looping. Now all that is needed is restrain her and hammer down that shard on her neck. They both have weak bodies, but Satoko is at advantage though. I really hope that what happened in St. Lucia is shown at any part of the last arc.

Honestly, they should have let Satoko be dissected at the second year.

So I watched the og higurashi + kai, I know that st Lucia has been mentioned a few times this series. Is there another ova or something where we see her time at st Lucia?

No we didnt even know she went there till ep2 of Gou.

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ssjokg said:

I mean her motive for leaving was explained.

Now why she made a 180? Who knows....Seems like the series doesn't really care. Or maybe this is also a trick and after "defeating" Satoko, Takano returns as the true final boss.

Since this world the "new" pawn's doing, makes sense that Satoko talked sense into Takano 🤣

Nah Takano just accepted defeat after a random "broccoli or cauliflower" test.

Jan 28, 2021 11:37 AM

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HOLY SHIT AMAKUSA IS THAT YOU

And as suspected, Satoko is the culprit. Which explains how people like Oishi and Akasaka caught the syndrome

My understanding is that Takano is obviously not being used as a piece by Lambdadelta anymore, but someone is obviously using Satoko. Who? My best guess would be Featherine, especially seeing as Hayuus horn was growing back the last time we saw her

Sasuga Ryukishi, never fails to dissapoint

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Jan 28, 2021 11:38 AM

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So Satoko was the looper all along? Damn that came out of nowhere. The reveal was great.

There was some hints on the previous arcs, people started to give that kind of theories since 2 o 3 arcs before, and in this one started to be quite obvious when Satoko knows a lot on the "removing guts" scene.

Jan 28, 2021 11:41 AM

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kofmaster said:

z00nex said:
So Satoko was the looper all along? Damn that came out of nowhere. The reveal was great.

There was some hints on the previous arcs, people started to give that kind of theories since 2 o 3 arcs before, and in this one started to be quite obvious when Satoko knows a lot on the "removing guts" scene.

I was the only one who didn't think about it then I guess. I know how dumb I am so it's no surprise lol.

Jan 28, 2021 11:42 AM

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Jin_uzuki said:

Moon_man2 said:

I actually thought the original was boring a lot of the time, because I didn't really enjoy the slice of life or the murders most of the time. But I kept watching because of the mystery, and when the senarios started to change in gou that's when it really got interesting for me.

... But literally half of Gou is the original story 1:1 without the original mysteries and extremely small changes...

I bet a lot of those small changes were just hints that satoko was looping. Pretty ballsy to spend a whole cour to just sprinkle 5 mins worth of hints.

Jan 28, 2021 11:46 AM

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swordmaster2551 said:

So I watched the og higurashi + kai, I know that st Lucia has been mentioned a few times this series. Is there another ova or something where we see her time at st Lucia?

There isn't an ova for that

Damn so we never get to see that? I was wondering how after her win she ended up back in hinamizawa looping again

Jan 28, 2021 11:50 AM

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Where did she hide the weapon? WHY WAS SHE CARRYING A WEAPON IN THE FIRST PLACE? That was so dumb lmao.

I went on the forum just to ask that lol.

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Jan 28, 2021 11:50 AM

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SUDDENLY, AMAKUSA: 10/10
Satoko forma de naruto 10/10

Overall rating: extremely kino

Jan 28, 2021 11:58 AM

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Tsukumo_Yuuma said:
Honestly i hated how predictable this episode was, we knew from Watadamashi that Satoko was sus and there was millions of Satoko looper theories and now it's just confirmed?! WTC was never this predictable. And the Takano stuff we kinda knew about too (we knew from Onidamashi that she isn't planning GHD this time).

This is how I feel. It's as if OG had had the Sonozakis as culprits. And as if it hadn't cast almost any suspicion on Takano and Ooishi.

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It is previous obvious now, the masterming is Lambdadelta using Satoko as proxy. All the discussion about someone rolling the dice and everything good happening sounds "Certainty" (Lambdadelta attribute) to me.

But I think Satoko it is a looper not in the same sense than Rika. She does not remember everthing like Rika, but remember when Lambda (her master) makes her remember and this trigger the red eye Satoko. Remembering the trap box trigger the transformation in this episode and Rika did all this to confirm her hypothesis.

That's an interesting possibility. But her constant reminding Rika to be happy and to love Hinamizawa and her seem to indicate she always remembers. Still, being possessed by Lambda would explain why she suddenly had her eyes glow red and pointed her gun at Rika. It almost seemed like someone was acting for her because, seriously, you want Rika to stay with you forever and when she does, you kill her over a small slip?

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ssjokg said:

Probably, maybe, we will find out. Or not. Who knows?

This could very well end up as "Satoko was lonely cause Rika went to a proper school and some higher power gave her looping powers", so it is anyone's guess till the series amazes us or disappoints us with an explanation.

Maybe we will get that Satoko was always a looper and just misses those good old days where everyone was dying.

It would honestly make Satoko one of the most irremediable characters in this franchise to be honest. I really wonder if R07 can get out of this situation without making you feel like everything in the original didn't matter and Teppei was the hero we deserved.

That's what I have been worrying about ever since the Satoko looper theories started. We can forgive Satoko for attempting to kill Keiichi in Tatarigoroshi because she's not herself at L5. But coldly calculating and planning gruesome deaths for Rika is a different level.

On the other hand, I'm still giving them the benefit of doubt because Matsuribayashi made me feel sorry for Takano at times. So who knows if they will make me feel sorry for Satoko. Admittedly, having your parents die early in life, then being physically and psychologically abused for months and then seeing the only person who had ever shown her kindness be mercilessly mocked for his life's work seems a better motive than "my best fwiend moved away and I felt wonewy".

Also, it's sad that this is the impression newcomers are going to get from Satoko. Not the girl who went through so much shit in life but still managed to stay strong and smile, not the girl who learned from her mistake with Satoshi and endured so much because she wanted to be strong for him, not the girl who learnt that being strong meant facing your problems and asking for help... but the loli who tortured and killed her best friend repeatedly because she moved away.

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Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaattattttttt!!!!!!!!!!

Ok, when Rika went to the shrine and started remembering what Hanyuu said, it automatically made me think that there was another looper besides her. Then, her conversation with Satoko made the latter look very suspicious and finally.... BAM! That happened, damn. You could see it coming but it was still shocking.

And again... whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaattt!!!

So, 2 military forces were behind all this? Tomitake, Takano, the lolicon doctor, that group of workers we had seen in previous arcs... Now that I remember, hadn't those people gone to attack Mion's place in her arc? We also have Hinamizawa syndrome in drug form, Satoko's brother alive in an underground lab but with the syndrome.... my brain is going to explode haha. This episode has too much to process for a first timer xD.

I'm so sorry to hear that :( there is a lot of information to process in one single episode. Of course I know you must be tired of hearing this, but I would recommend you to read the OG series (or watch the two first seasons of the anime if you don't want to read the VNs). While many of the mysteries are already resolved in Gou and you won't get as many surprises, there are many things that are explained in more detail and you can understand everything better, not only of the things you have mentioned, but also about the characters' motivations and personalities. Besides, even if you already have the answer to many mysteries, there are also some that aren't addressed in Gou and that can keep you interested in the story.

Jan 28, 2021 11:59 AM

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I watched this without watching any of the previous installment, and I'm lost and confused as fuck. I feel like there's so many things unexplained yet but the plot is already moving on and new audience like me are left going in blind and wondering what the actual fuck is going on. I also feel that the first 3 arcs or the first ~10 episodes were unnecessarily long and practically useless if they were just there to set up for this part about Rika/Satako being loopers. Like what's the fucking point in starting and up til the middle of the story from Keiichi's perspective?

I'm just gonna tank the rest of the episodes to the end and hope things will get explained because my enjoyment on this series so far is definitely low.

Jan 28, 2021 12:02 PM

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Xystus said:
I watched this without watching any of the previous installment, and I'm lost and confused as fuck.

Shouldn't have..

Jan 28, 2021 12:04 PM

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byams_pa said:

Xystus said:
I watched this without watching any of the previous installment, and I'm lost and confused as fuck.

Shouldn't have..

Maybe, but we were practically lied to. Author/writer whoever that was that posted the twitter that say this is a new reboot say that we can go in as new watcher.

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random_weirdo said:

Tsukumo_Yuuma said:
Honestly i hated how predictable this episode was, we knew from Watadamashi that Satoko was sus and there was millions of Satoko looper theories and now it's just confirmed?! WTC was never this predictable. And the Takano stuff we kinda knew about too (we knew from Onidamashi that she isn't planning GHD this time).

This is how I feel. It's as if OG had had the Sonozakis as culprits. And as if it hadn't cast almost any suspicion on Takano and Ooishi.

Thanos_ said:
It is previous obvious now, the masterming is Lambdadelta using Satoko as proxy. All the discussion about someone rolling the dice and everything good happening sounds "Certainty" (Lambdadelta attribute) to me.

But I think Satoko it is a looper not in the same sense than Rika. She does not remember everthing like Rika, but remember when Lambda (her master) makes her remember and this trigger the red eye Satoko. Remembering the trap box trigger the transformation in this episode and Rika did all this to confirm her hypothesis.

That's an interesting possibility. But her constant reminding Rika to be happy and to love Hinamizawa and her seem to indicate she always remembers. Still, being possessed by Lambda would explain why she suddenly had her eyes glow red and pointed her gun at Rika. It almost seemed like someone was acting for her because, seriously, you want Rika to stay with you forever and when she does, you kill her over a small slip?

Jin_uzuki said:

It would honestly make Satoko one of the most irremediable characters in this franchise to be honest. I really wonder if R07 can get out of this situation without making you feel like everything in the original didn't matter and Teppei was the hero we deserved.

That's what I have been worrying about ever since the Satoko looper theories started. We can forgive Satoko for attempting to kill Keiichi in Tatarigoroshi because she's not herself at L5. But coldly calculating and planning gruesome deaths for Rika is a different level.

On the other hand, I'm still giving them the benefit of doubt because Matsuribayashi made me feel sorry for Takano at times. So who knows if they will make me feel sorry for Satoko. Admittedly, having your parents die early in life, then being physically and psychologically abused for months and then seeing the only person who had ever shown her kindness be mercilessly mocked for his life's work seems a better motive than "my best fwiend moved away and I felt wonewy".

Also, it's sad that this is the impression newcomers are going to get from Satoko. Not the girl who went through so much shit in life but still managed to stay strong and smile, not the girl who learned from her mistake with Satoshi and endured so much because she wanted to be strong for him, not the girl who learnt that being strong meant facing your problems and asking for help... but the loli who tortured and killed her best friend repeatedly because she moved away.

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Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaattattttttt!!!!!!!!!!

Ok, when Rika went to the shrine and started remembering what Hanyuu said, it automatically made me think that there was another looper besides her. Then, her conversation with Satoko made the latter look very suspicious and finally.... BAM! That happened, damn. You could see it coming but it was still shocking.

And again... whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaattt!!!

So, 2 military forces were behind all this? Tomitake, Takano, the lolicon doctor, that group of workers we had seen in previous arcs... Now that I remember, hadn't those people gone to attack Mion's place in her arc? We also have Hinamizawa syndrome in drug form, Satoko's brother alive in an underground lab but with the syndrome.... my brain is going to explode haha. This episode has too much to process for a first timer xD.

I'm so sorry to hear that :( there is a lot of information to process in one single episode. Of course I know you must be tired of hearing this, but I would recommend you to read the OG series (or watch the two first seasons of the anime if you don't want to read the VNs). While many of the mysteries are already resolved in Gou and you won't get as many surprises, there are many things that are explained in more detail and you can understand everything better, not only of the things you have mentioned, but also about the characters' motivations and personalities. Besides, even if you already have the answer to many mysteries, there are also some that aren't addressed in Gou and that can keep you interested in the story.

So its possible that satako's looping buddy doesn't know that rika retains her memories 100% now and is just gonna kill them all to try again next world.

Jan 28, 2021 12:08 PM

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I also feel that the first 3 arcs or the first ~10 episodes were unnecessarily long and practically useless if they were just there to set up for this part about Rika/Satako being loopers. Like what's the fucking point in starting and up til the middle of the story from Keiichi's perspective?

To be fair, in OG, starting out with Keiichi's perspective made sense. It was the way you were introduced to the mystery, because you saw things through the eyes of a newcomer. After that, you started to expand the POVs to other characters and you started learning new things and seeing different perspectives. And finally, when you got Rika's POV, it seemed like a natural progression of the story.

Jan 28, 2021 12:09 PM

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swordmaster2551 said:

random_weirdo said:

This is how I feel. It's as if OG had had the Sonozakis as culprits. And as if it hadn't cast almost any suspicion on Takano and Ooishi.

That's an interesting possibility. But her constant reminding Rika to be happy and to love Hinamizawa and her seem to indicate she always remembers. Still, being possessed by Lambda would explain why she suddenly had her eyes glow red and pointed her gun at Rika. It almost seemed like someone was acting for her because, seriously, you want Rika to stay with you forever and when she does, you kill her over a small slip?

That's what I have been worrying about ever since the Satoko looper theories started. We can forgive Satoko for attempting to kill Keiichi in Tatarigoroshi because she's not herself at L5. But coldly calculating and planning gruesome deaths for Rika is a different level.

On the other hand, I'm still giving them the benefit of doubt because Matsuribayashi made me feel sorry for Takano at times. So who knows if they will make me feel sorry for Satoko. Admittedly, having your parents die early in life, then being physically and psychologically abused for months and then seeing the only person who had ever shown her kindness be mercilessly mocked for his life's work seems a better motive than "my best fwiend moved away and I felt wonewy".

Also, it's sad that this is the impression newcomers are going to get from Satoko. Not the girl who went through so much shit in life but still managed to stay strong and smile, not the girl who learned from her mistake with Satoshi and endured so much because she wanted to be strong for him, not the girl who learnt that being strong meant facing your problems and asking for help... but the loli who tortured and killed her best friend repeatedly because she moved away.

I'm so sorry to hear that :( there is a lot of information to process in one single episode. Of course I know you must be tired of hearing this, but I would recommend you to read the OG series (or watch the two first seasons of the anime if you don't want to read the VNs). While many of the mysteries are already resolved in Gou and you won't get as many surprises, there are many things that are explained in more detail and you can understand everything better, not only of the things you have mentioned, but also about the characters' motivations and personalities. Besides, even if you already have the answer to many mysteries, there are also some that aren't addressed in Gou and that can keep you interested in the story.

So its possible that satako's looping buddy doesn't know that rika retains her memories 100% now and is just gonna kill them all to try again next world.

I think this is possible. Satoko does not know Rika is a looper. Maybe she will discover this next.

Jan 28, 2021 12:09 PM

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lol'd at the random ass gun

assuming this is lambda, i wonder if they are going to be explicit about her character

Jan 28, 2021 12:12 PM

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Xystus said:
I watched this without watching any of the previous installment, and I'm lost and confused as fuck. I feel like there's so many things unexplained yet but the plot is already moving on and new audience like me are left going in blind and wondering what the actual fuck is going on. I also feel that the first 3 arcs or the first ~10 episodes were unnecessarily long and practically useless if they were just there to set up for this part about Rika/Satako being loopers. Like what's the fucking point in starting and up til the middle of the story from Keiichi's perspective?

I'm just gonna tank the rest of the episodes to the end and hope things will get explained because my enjoyment on this series so far is definitely low.

I could explain some non spoiler stuff.

Well, since this is a sequel a lot of stuff have sense just if you know the whole thing, I'm 100% sure that Takano thing was a WTF for new watchers for example.

The first 3 arcs was thinking for old watchers, those arcs are "remakes" of previous loops with some twists and hints pointing on a different direction.

About the Keiichi perspective, that's how Higurashi always worked, the "main character" is Rika, but that wasn't revelated until later, in the first arc, Keiichi was infected and he looked everyone as an enemy that wanted to kill him, that was the started bait in order to make you reach to a wrong conclusion (thinking that the whole town was crazy and stuff like that to get you away from the truth).

So Keiichi being the main character on the first Question arc is a bait and a help for mistery issues for the readers, since Keiichi is a newcomer he needs info about what's happening or the characters/town's past.

Jan 28, 2021 12:14 PM

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swordmaster2551 said:

random_weirdo said:

This is how I feel. It's as if OG had had the Sonozakis as culprits. And as if it hadn't cast almost any suspicion on Takano and Ooishi.

That's an interesting possibility. But her constant reminding Rika to be happy and to love Hinamizawa and her seem to indicate she always remembers. Still, being possessed by Lambda would explain why she suddenly had her eyes glow red and pointed her gun at Rika. It almost seemed like someone was acting for her because, seriously, you want Rika to stay with you forever and when she does, you kill her over a small slip?

That's what I have been worrying about ever since the Satoko looper theories started. We can forgive Satoko for attempting to kill Keiichi in Tatarigoroshi because she's not herself at L5. But coldly calculating and planning gruesome deaths for Rika is a different level.

On the other hand, I'm still giving them the benefit of doubt because Matsuribayashi made me feel sorry for Takano at times. So who knows if they will make me feel sorry for Satoko. Admittedly, having your parents die early in life, then being physically and psychologically abused for months and then seeing the only person who had ever shown her kindness be mercilessly mocked for his life's work seems a better motive than "my best fwiend moved away and I felt wonewy".

Also, it's sad that this is the impression newcomers are going to get from Satoko. Not the girl who went through so much shit in life but still managed to stay strong and smile, not the girl who learned from her mistake with Satoshi and endured so much because she wanted to be strong for him, not the girl who learnt that being strong meant facing your problems and asking for help... but the loli who tortured and killed her best friend repeatedly because she moved away.

I'm so sorry to hear that :( there is a lot of information to process in one single episode. Of course I know you must be tired of hearing this, but I would recommend you to read the OG series (or watch the two first seasons of the anime if you don't want to read the VNs). While many of the mysteries are already resolved in Gou and you won't get as many surprises, there are many things that are explained in more detail and you can understand everything better, not only of the things you have mentioned, but also about the characters' motivations and personalities. Besides, even if you already have the answer to many mysteries, there are also some that aren't addressed in Gou and that can keep you interested in the story.

So its possible that satako's looping buddy doesn't know that rika retains her memories 100% now and is just gonna kill them all to try again next world.

It's the most likely explanation. Otherwise, Satoko would need now to keep on spawnkilling Rika forever now that her cover is blown.

Still, the mistake was so incredibly stupid (a punch in the box shouldn't be that painful) and easy to cover up that it seems like whoever it was finally decided to reveal themselves.

I am wondering about Onigari-no-ryou, though. I'm guessing that Satoko has it to prevent someone from killing her? But she probably broke it of while taking it out of the statue and kinda forgot the shard. Will we ever see the whole sword again? Or will we have to do with Rika's shard?

Jan 28, 2021 12:17 PM

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bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh

Jan 28, 2021 12:22 PM

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Jin_uzuki said:
Tbh "witches made me do it" is almost as bad as "I put you through an inhuman torture because I was lonely :(".

It's called "Lazy plot called for it"

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Jan 28, 2021 12:24 PM

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Nah Takano just accepted defeat after a random "broccoli or cauliflower" test.

Mindblown! 😯😯😯

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Jan 28, 2021 12:29 PM

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Can someone here on MAL finally approve the change to SEQUEL, please? I submitted that change like 5 times by now and Kai has not only been completely spoiled, but nothing that happened makes sense if you haven't seen the OG + Kai or read the VN ._.

So we were right about Satoko after all, it was kinda obvious cause she's been acting so extremely weird ever since this new show started. Ah by the way, this is also something no one who's new to Higurashi would've picked up on :)

I'm honestly kinda mad that this was marketed as a reboot and nobody listend to everyone who told them that this wasn't great for newcomers. I've seen so many people regret not watching the previous seasons by now.

StormxNightmareJan 28, 2021 12:40 PM

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I want to drown in this sweet Melancholy

Jan 28, 2021 12:36 PM

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I almost screamed at the end because I swear upon Oyashiro sama that is fucking Lambda. Knew I was smelling Witch ever since the anime aired.

(If anyone is interested in doing Umineko go fuck with the manga or visual novel. The anime is trash)

Jan 28, 2021 12:40 PM

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Re: Umineko stuff, I still feel like even after this episode, other than the Featherine(?) silhouette in the OP, nothing has hinted at Umineko at all (unless "spooky red eyes" is supposed to mean something).

Jan 28, 2021 12:41 PM

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Ah, I forgot to mention this, but this is my prediction:
It's Satoko and Hanyuu. She left Rika to work with Satoko to get her to stay. It's dumb, but wouldn't suprise me at this point. Even tho her telling Rika about the shard wouldn't make sense then, so scratch that ig.
And where is Shion? She hasn't really been there except for the lake scene.

Also, @jaw201
Literally 90% of the people who are familiar with Higurashi suspected Satoko sice like 3 arcs ago, so get off your high horse. I didn't say anything in the last few discussions, but the way you're acting like everyone else is just to dumb to get it is pretentious at best ._.

StormxNightmareJan 28, 2021 12:56 PM

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Jan 28, 2021 12:44 PM

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Probably one of my favorite episodes from this season both context and progression wise. At this point if you don t have at least a bit of understanding about Umineko s gimmiks its like watching this from an anime only's perspective even if you're like an OG watcher of the series (but with more context on the characters and overall target)
Ryukishi u sly fox...
Can't wait to see how this will be going further from now on.

Ushiromiya Battler, right now, on this island, no one exists except for you. You're the only one alive in this island. However I'm here right now, and i'm about to kill you. Who... am I?

Jan 28, 2021 12:45 PM

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One other thing man, whatever happened between kai and gou really fucked with hanyuu

Jan 28, 2021 12:46 PM

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swordmaster2551 said:

ManWild said:

There isn't an ova for that

Damn so we never get to see that? I was wondering how after her win she ended up back in hinamizawa looping again

Sadly. The only times we saw the Rika St. Lucia stuff was only the very small flashback bits of Gou. I'm interested in that as well so I'm hoping for an eventual ova or perhaps more context for that stuff in the future of Gou. Might be unlikely but it would definitely be interesting

Jan 28, 2021 12:59 PM

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