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BRSxIgnition said: I think that Aikuro was Souichirou's brother - and after his brother's death at the hands of revocs, he decided to fight back by protecting Ryuko and working with Matoi Isshin until it was time for Nudist Beach to make their move. Aikuro's name litterally means "9th Son" and Souichirou has the characters in it for "First Son" - so I think them being related is more likely than them being the same people. ^This I was thinking that Aikuro was Souichirou's brother as well as avenging his older brother's & leader's death while protecting Ryuko in their stead (place). Might also be the reason why the Nudist Beach members seems to respect him so. And what you said about their names makes me believe this is more likely the case. Though I wouldn't be surprised if it takes a sudden turn. I also kind of was thinking that maybe Isshin was more like a father figure (or older relative) to Souichirou & most possibly the only other person that he trusted with his secrets about the life fibers & about protecting his daughter that was not really dead. |
| Good development. I was not expecting these twists. I just really want to see everything wrap up now.. |
minouneetzoe said: Holy shit, what a twist! Trigger, they did it again!! xD To think that Matoi is Ragyou daughter... In some way, I had suspicion, since Matoi ''father'' seemed really old and that we had never heard of her mother, but it was still unexpected. So Satsuki is her sister, that why they had such a weirdly good chemistry :P When Ragyou beated Satsuki, it was so brutal... I love that nudist beach mecha, Trigger imagination :P Nui seemed really scared while fighting Ryuuko, it show how much she have assimilated Senketsu. I guess that in the latest episode, Satsuki will fight Ryuuko because she will consider Senketsu as an abomination. I also think that because they are fighting in the OP :P The scene where Ryuuko pulled that thread off her head reminded me that scene from FLCL where Haruko pulled off a guitar of Naota head xD Also, that invasion remind me of the last arc of Gurren Lagann. Finally, Ragyou was still so lewd when she was rubbing Satsuki crotch xD YES! MY WORDS EXACTLY! Ever since like 16 the suspicion was there. But it was confirmed. Once when they said they threw away the first baby and again when their mother was all "SATSUKI YOU CANNOT KILL ME WITH UR PETTY LITTLE KNIFE YOU CALL A SWORD. YOU SILLY PLEBEIAN!" (Thats how I interpreted it anyways.) But we know the scissors can... (O.o right?) -nose bleed- Even still... I don't...know how many more plot twists I can take. On a different note... I think Nui is gonna be another child of theirs. It'd make sense, cuz it'd almost be like "Lets go tease sister Satsuki" and Satsukis like -.-" Annoyed. But...if they were siblings: She lost her left(?) eye and Ryuuko's dad was a eyepatch man. But then .....if that was true Nui would have committed patricide---oh god... I can't think anymore. >_> THOSE DAUGHTERS (I'm just gonna assume they are.) THEYRE CRAZY SCARYBADASSMOFOS! asdfghjkl;' |
| Saw it coming, but in a good way. Had the suspicion for a while, suspicion confirmed. Very good episode. Bumped the show up to a 10, let's see if it can keep it till the finish. |
| Let's go bowling. |
ollythirteen said: Poor Ryuuko: Just like that she's saddled with three family members she can't stand. Ahahaha, pretty much - everyone around her annoys her. Though I do hope that she ends up getting along with or at least making up with Satsuki.. |
| "Evidently... There's no such thing as 'meaning' in this world. But that in itself is wonderful... isn't it? Since if there isn't a set meaning, then you can just find one on your own." - Filicia Heideman, So Ra No Wo To |
| Theory Time! I've found a theory that matches up with my adoption theory over on 4 Chan. In my opinion, it's one of the most likely back-story explanations that makes sense. It explains Isshin's age, as well as the "Son" kanji in both Aikurou's and Soichirou's names. Matoi Isshin was neither the father of Souichirou and Aikurou nor related to Ryuuko in any way However in much the same way Satsuki has always known Soroi as an important figure in her life Matoi Isshin had always worked for the Kiryuiin family exploring the potential of the original life fiber and in particular he came to know Kiryuiin Ragyo from the time she was a little girl, watching over her as a godfather figure. Ultimately Souichirou and Isshin eventually discovered the ability to sow life fibers into specific people in order to give them more-than-human abilities and at the request of a Ragyo always yearning to be stronger they perform the procedure on her Ragyo becomes like a second protege to Isshin and eventually marries Souichirou, but by this point the life fibers are continuously whispering in her head and her experiments become more and more cruel and unethical. Isshin retires but secretly moves to form Nudist Beach to counter the increasing power and insanity of the Kiryuuin family. while the young Souichirou, who views Ragyo's extremities as necessary to advance science continues on and even consents to having both of their daughters experimented on but ultimately leaves Ragyo after he believes she killed his second daughter after deeming her a failure. By this point Ragyo is no longer recognizable to Souichirou as the woman he fell in love with and tasks Satsuki with taking her down. Ryuuko is rescued by Isshin or Soichirou, and adopted by Isshin, who views raising her as atonement for his sins in creating the monster that is Kiryuuin Ragyo. Meanwhile Souichirou is assassinated and his brother Aikurou joins Nudist Beach to seek revenge against the Kiryuuin family for his brother's sake. Thoughts? |
| "Evidently... There's no such thing as 'meaning' in this world. But that in itself is wonderful... isn't it? Since if there isn't a set meaning, then you can just find one on your own." - Filicia Heideman, So Ra No Wo To |
| It's an amazing episode. Lots revelations stun me. I can't wait ep.19! |
| cml-p |
| wow, this was crazy |
| My jaw was dropped since beginning to the end Can't wait for the next episode!!! |
| Freaking awesome episode. |
Zetsubo667 said: You know when Satsuki was getting beaten up by Ragyo why didn't Nonon just fly over to help her?, like she did back in episode 15 no one would of been able to stop her. Well it was still a good episode I guess, Satsuki obviously didn't do enough research. Because if that happened there would be no plot. Gawd. |
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svpejQ1I7Z0 ^^^This is all of you people t(^-^t) |
| dat twist |
| Don't forget. Always, somewhere, someone is fighting for you. As long as you remember her, you are not alone. |
| holy , i cant even. Im freakin shaking from the awesome ness, plot twist, and everything else. like its so awesome there are no words. im literally sitting here with my jaw just hanging. |
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YurikoRaine said: http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lg74tfPLHY1qafrh6.gif >> mfw everything in this episode My absolute reaction |
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amazingsil said: How could they know any more than you? The furthest content we've seen into the next episode is the 30 second preview. The manga was inspired by the anime original, there is no spoilers to be had any further. That information was taken from a TRIGGER staff tweet. Early on in the series, they stated: "Ryuuko and Satsuki, these two share a rivalry that only one will walk away alive from!" Or something to that effect. People are assuming it still applies now - which we don't know. I do feel as if they will kill one of them off by the end though, which is sad... |
| "Evidently... There's no such thing as 'meaning' in this world. But that in itself is wonderful... isn't it? Since if there isn't a set meaning, then you can just find one on your own." - Filicia Heideman, So Ra No Wo To |
penguindrum264 said: I liked most of the episodes of this series before this, but this episode was on a whole other level in comparison to the previous ones. i was cruising through this show, not too crazy about it but still holding my interest, and then these last couple episodes come up.. i'm just like holy shit, this has gotten crazy! this episode was amazing. these last couple episodes sealed the deal for me. |
wow |
| @ Olly13 Well of course - that line was to market the show more and make it sound more exciting - but TRIGGER hasn't lied yet about what would happen, everything they've sayd has come true. By the way - do you really think Ryuuko is dead? I think Tsumugu may use the life fiber bullet to get Ragyou away from her and buy them all time to escape. It's the only way I see them getting out of this situation... We'll just have to wait and see. 48 hours remain. |
| "Evidently... There's no such thing as 'meaning' in this world. But that in itself is wonderful... isn't it? Since if there isn't a set meaning, then you can just find one on your own." - Filicia Heideman, So Ra No Wo To |
| I had a really random thought/theory on the way home today - and if the show wants to go darker, I could see them doing this.. What if Ragyo uses the thread again, but this time directly on Ryuuko's heart? Ryuuko has a ton of insecurities that she could use to her advantage, and Ragyo is heartless (pun not intended) enough to do it. Ugh that would be so dark. Then again, it's just a random theory - and Trigger is known to surprise with developments in times like these. Let's just hope they use that bullet, hm? |
BRSxIgnitionFeb 19, 2014 9:45 AM
| "Evidently... There's no such thing as 'meaning' in this world. But that in itself is wonderful... isn't it? Since if there isn't a set meaning, then you can just find one on your own." - Filicia Heideman, So Ra No Wo To |
| Damn the plot twist was really predictable. Enjoyed this episode though, loved the soundtrack. The elite four are so annoying, at first I thought they were meh but now I dislike them a bit. They take too much screen time, they are boring and predictable at everything. Overall I think Kill la Kill would have been better in a lower episode count. |
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tsudecimo said: Overall I think Kill la Kill would have been better in a lower episode count. I agree. Half of the show was filler, if it had like 13 episodes the pacing would've been much more enjoyable. |
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Litrydow said: tsudecimo said: Overall I think Kill la Kill would have been better in a lower episode count. I agree. Half of the show was filler, if it had like 13 episodes the pacing would've been much more enjoyable. I don't know, I don't think the show could have fully explored its ideas, characters, and worldbuilding in only 13 episodes. It just would make KlK far too shallow. |
| Powerful eyebrows. |
migohunter said: I don't know, I don't think the show could have fully explored its ideas, characters, and worldbuilding in only 13 episodes. It just would make KlK far too shallow. What world building? and what characters? I like the two leads and Mako but there have been no noticeable character development/depth or extra dimension to most of the characters, Ryouko got some but it's nothing worthy of a lot of screen time. Many characters are just stupid and are not worth the screen time like the elite four and the nipple teacher. There were actual filler episodes, episodes that looked like fillers and didn't contribute greatly to the plot and unnecessary ones. Now I like KLK but a lot of things felt repetitive and trite. The actual plot only started a couple of episodes ago. The slow pace and slow plot progression hurt the big reveals and made the plot twists predictable, people were predicting that the two leads are sisters for ages now and that they will team up to fight a greater foe. Which exactly what happened. I'm thinking 14-15 would have been enough and would have made this series way better. I can't help but feel that some episodes were simply there, lacking direction and purpose in the grand scheme of things. Maybe trigger are just having fun and being creative with stuff but I can't really enjoy something that doesn't add anything to the plot in a significant way and is simply there to maybe entertain. |
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tsudecimo said: I'm thinking 14-15 would have been enough and would have made this series way better. I can't help but feel that some episodes were simply there, lacking direction and purpose in the grand scheme of things. Maybe trigger are just having fun and being creative with stuff but I can't really enjoy something that doesn't add anything to the plot in a significant way and is simply there to maybe entertain. As I've said before in this thread... I agree with you, it didn't need 18 episodes to reach this point. It could have fit about this much of the main story into 12 episodes if completely necessary. But the thing is, if you count the number of episodes that had developments necessary to reach this point alone, you'd be at 12 or 13 episodes. This means 12 - 13 episodes for: But we'd still have 6 more until we reach the conclusion. In total, this would mean 18 episodes, which means Studio TRIGGER had to make a decision; lengthen it to be a 2-Cour show, or cut content and such to fit it into a 1-Cour show. Studio TRIGGER likely chose the latter because: If you think about it, this explains the rather slow pacing of plot developments at the beginning of the story - that's the only place where they could add content before things got too serious story-wise. Tweets, Magazine Interviews, and other information from Studio TRIGGER all point to this being the case. Once they had decided on the length, they had fun putting what they could into the extra space given to them at the beginning; But as they got into the second half - which had already been mostly planned - their "faces went white at meetings." The second half really is where things get serious - as I'm sure we've all seen. I personally prefer that they added more to KILL la KILL, rather than shortening it and cutting content. Regardless, ratings are going up, and they've still got 6 more episodes to wow us. |
BRSxIgnitionFeb 19, 2014 6:51 PM
| "Evidently... There's no such thing as 'meaning' in this world. But that in itself is wonderful... isn't it? Since if there isn't a set meaning, then you can just find one on your own." - Filicia Heideman, So Ra No Wo To |
| The new pacing is too much, compared to what it was for like the first 13,14 episodes. If Ryuuko is related to Ragyo and Satsuki, then why doesn't she have the GLOW!?!?!? |
BRSxIgnition said: [...] That makes sense. It might be even worse in 12 episodes, since it would be rushed. But nonetheless the length lowered my enjoyment and I didn't really appreciate the creativity and how they stretched the first half of the story. They did manage to make low budget animation fun and made the best they could do with it though, I will give them that. |
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RazingPhoenix said: The new pacing is too much, compared to what it was for like the first 13,14 episodes. If Ryuuko is related to Ragyo and Satsuki, then why doesn't she have the GLOW!?!?!? The glow is stylistic, not canon. It's meant to show willpower/strength. tsudecimo said: BRSxIgnition said: [...] That makes sense. It might be even worse in 12 episodes, since it would be rushed. But nonetheless the length lowered my enjoyment and I didn't really appreciate the creativity and how they stretched the first half of the story. They did manage to make low budget animation fun and made the best they could do with it though, I will give them that. I feel the exact same. I like that they added instead of taking away stuff, but they added that stuff under a more constrained budget than the rest of the show. It's rather easy to tell which episodes/scenes were added, and which were planned. They likely budgeted what they needed for the main plot, then used what was left afterwards to create the 6 extra episodes worth of scenes needed to lengthen the show, and it does show at some points. Regardless - I'm loving the show. It's something anime has needed for a while; it just feels fresh. |
| "Evidently... There's no such thing as 'meaning' in this world. But that in itself is wonderful... isn't it? Since if there isn't a set meaning, then you can just find one on your own." - Filicia Heideman, So Ra No Wo To |
RazingPhoenix said: The new pacing is too much, compared to what it was for like the first 13,14 episodes. If Ryuuko is related to Ragyo and Satsuki, then why doesn't she have the GLOW!?!?!? Actually she has a GLOW , a light red one in ep 18 right after when Ragyo mind stitched Ryuko , She shined in the sky looks like they need Mama's touch to activate the dormant GLOW gene |
BRSxIgnition said: RazingPhoenix said: The new pacing is too much, compared to what it was for like the first 13,14 episodes. If Ryuuko is related to Ragyo and Satsuki, then why doesn't she have the GLOW!?!?!? The glow is stylistic, not canon. It's meant to show willpower/strength. tsudecimo said: BRSxIgnition said: [...] That makes sense. It might be even worse in 12 episodes, since it would be rushed. But nonetheless the length lowered my enjoyment and I didn't really appreciate the creativity and how they stretched the first half of the story. They did manage to make low budget animation fun and made the best they could do with it though, I will give them that. I feel the exact same. I like that they added instead of taking away stuff, but they added that stuff under a more constrained budget than the rest of the show. It's rather easy to tell which episodes/scenes were added, and which were planned. They likely budgeted what they needed for the main plot, then used what was left afterwards to create the 6 extra episodes worth of scenes needed to lengthen the show, and it does show at some points. Regardless - I'm loving the show. It's something anime has needed for a while; it just feels fresh. I agree with you for the most part. What is with the constrained mentality to want EVERY single moment and EVERY single second to have some relevance to continuity that I keep hearing about? Why so many people want the anime to be rushed (when it already has an incredibly fast pace) and over and quick like it is a chore rather than joy to watch is beyond me. The series ain't all about the action and plot twists people. It's a comedy series, so of course you'd expect a lot of time to be devoted to comedy just as well as action and drama. I love the fact that we get more episodes than a paltry 12-13 which is too fleeting to have much of an impact or build much suspense. Episode 4 is still one of my favourite episodes right up there with this one. People need to learn to put on the brakes, grab a drink and chillax to watch anime. If you are complaining that every single second is not providing you with twists and turns, then you are watching the wrong anime. Go look up an elitist's list or something. |
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RedRoseFring said: [The series ain't all about the action and plot twists people. It's a comedy series, so of course you'd expect a lot of time to be devoted to comedy just as well as action and drama. I'd say that in this case, it's more about action than comedy; as it is the "main" genre. If KlK was mainly a comedy series, you'd see a lot more jokes and gags. But hey, whatever floats your boat. |
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ollythirteen said: So yeah, I hate that it's come to this week after week but it's come to this: Any news on delays? Unconfirmed, but knowing Aniplex it's probably going to be delayed. |
| Powerful eyebrows. |
| I was pretty disappointed that Nui didn't put up much of a fight. Still Nui is absurdly strong for someone without an outfit. Anyone think that Satsuki might be made out of life fibers too o___O. Also what is this delay about D: Is there no episode this week? :( I was actually looking forward to the next episode. That and Nagi no Asukara :D |
| Wow. Undoubtedly the best episode of the series. This episode has changed my opinion of the series. I didn't even mind Mako's comic relief scenes for once. But just WOW at this episode. |
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| Screw this. I am giving KLK a 10/10!!! |
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| Holy shit it came to a head....they really are sisters...wow. The whole episode just left me speechless. |
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| Holy mother of jesus! This means that Matoi is actually Satsuki's sister. |
| oh ****, I knew they were sisters! LOL didn't expect Ryuuko to be adopted though |
| pew pew pew |
| WHAT THE FUCK |
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